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LV LOU
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Hmm..Guess what I just spotted on the Dupont map,right there?? "Bridge Street"!!
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grvolans
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see? see? I'm not crazy. The Scranton Railway went through Dupont in 1900's.That is probably their abutment on powder mill road.
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adam4562
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cool, i didn ,t think that butment belonged to the laurel line just wasn ,t positive. so then did the laurel line go south righ next to the erie tracks then? and if anybody wants to go on a hike just email me . its alot easier to figure it out with other people
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LV LOU
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Adam,being the Scranton RWY was a trolley line,I find it much more likely that it ran right down RT11,not the same general route as the L&WV.Trolley's went through urban areas,that was their reason for being,short,on town trips.The L&WV was an interurban,fast transit from town to town.Although I could be wrong,but I'm most likely not.I see no reason for a trolley to go through the mountains,when they would be much more lucrative running down a busy street like RT11..Not to mention the redundancy of paralleling the L&WV in that area..
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adam4562
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yea that makes sense, i doubt the scranton railway used that bridge. i followed the paths back there its just woods. the scranton railway prob went down rt 11 like u said makes more sense
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grvolans
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I think Lou is correct. That bridge may have been Erie. Boy, they had trackage all over the place. I wonder where the Laurel Line diverged after powder mill road. if you follow the bottom track it takes you behind ceekay and by then its Erie track again!! Must have been a switch there.
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LV LOU
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Greg,it went right across Powdermill Rd.in a nearly straight line,along the back of the warehouse that's there,and went over a bridge that crossed 502,the abutment is still there,on the other side of the creek,then it would have gone across the area where the turnpike is,then along to the east side of Rocky Glenn Road,and straight across the divider of the lower dam at the Glenn.The L&WV used to stop at the Glenn,and ran on the other side of the lake from the park,under the "Million Dollar Rollercoaster"....
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grvolans
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so that first track you cross isn't actual LL? I am surprised looking at the Laurel Line powder mill rd photo in the book. Looks like same track. Hard to tell where it goes south of powder mill road. too much Erie trackage around to confuse.
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LV LOU
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Gre,the track that's there may or may not be LL.The LL track was there,but the track that's there goes off to the right upline,nowhere near where the LL ran.I don't know if it's an original Erie track that ran alongside the LL,a LL track Erie connected to later,or maybe even a WB&E track Erie took over..
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grvolans
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i know. my dad and i walked south from powder mill road on the track where moosic station was (first station) it goes under 81 and then alongside ceekay. not LL there. I believe there was a switch installed by Erie to switch off orig. LL to their own which ran and currently runs past cee kay and past the ped. bridge in aqvoca leading to avoca yard. very hard to track down LL around that area.
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mike_nepa
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Your referring to Hillside Junction which was a switchback track installed so the Erie could access the Laurel Line when it was abandoned. They needed to keep service to the Minooka Branch back then.
The Erie south of Hillside junction was also part of the WB&E. We looked at it again this past spring since LV LOU reported the Westminster Junction part was removed. There was also signs of brush clearing of the remaining trackage. (Don't want to go too off topic here)
Mike
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LV LOU
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Mike,pretty sure Hillside junction was there before the L&WV was abandoned,wasn't put in just to access Minooka.Hillside was the junction between WB&E,Erie,and L&WV...Later,WB&E trackage became Erie.If anything,Hillside was put in to access the WB&E when it was abandoned....
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grvolans
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Looks like south of powder mill road around the curve past 81 bridges a lot of open space along the tracks like there used to be a switch. I believe this is where Erie went behind ceekay and the L&WV veered off deeper into avoca.
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LV LOU
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Greg,if you pass the bridge that goes over the RR tracks going south on 81,on the left side of the road,there's a big roadside sign.That sign is on the end of the LL right of way before it was cut off by 81.If you continue toward Dupont,and take the airport/petro exit on the right,when you get to the stop sign,the right of way ends pretty much right on the other side of the guardrail on the other side of the road at the stop sign..
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mike_nepa
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on Nov 13th, 2008, 8:29pm, LV LOU wrote: (Click here for original message)| Mike,pretty sure Hillside junction was there before the L&WV was abandoned,wasn't put in just to access Minooka.Hillside was the junction between WB&E,Erie,and L&WV...Later,WB&E trackage became Erie.If anything,Hillside was put in to access the WB&E when it was abandoned.... |
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Aaaak! Your right, I just referred to the "Trackside Around Scranton..." The connection the Erie made to the Laurel Line was at Virgina, not Hillside Junction. Its on Page 81. I thought at first the photo was from Hillside Jct, its not.
Mike
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grvolans
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I really need a good Laurel line map. The one in the book is not detailed enough. Even looking on windows live maps doesn't help. Too much foliage, too much has changed. A map on the WB&E would help, too. Even one on the Scranton Railway.
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LV LOU
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Greg and Mike,if you guys want to know the LL from Avoca to Wilkes Barre,I pretty much know where every bridge and track was..Lets go on safari...I pretty much know all of the WB&E,too..
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mike_nepa
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on Nov 15th, 2008, 12:24am, LV LOU wrote: (Click here for original message)| Greg and Mike,if you guys want to know the LL from Avoca to Wilkes Barre,I pretty much know where every bridge and track was..Lets go on safari...I pretty much know all of the WB&E,too.. |
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Sure I would be up for a joint safari! Lets do it!
Mike
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grvolans
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sounds great. today's going to be lousy. we'll have to plan on a good day.
By the way, that was the LL abutment off Market street in inkerman, right?
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LV LOU
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This weekend is bad for me,I woke up with a sinus infection,but next weekend should be okay.Yep..The abutment they removed on Market street was LL..Actually,can't remember the name offhand,but the area between the abutment and Heather Highlands was a LL owned amusement park at one time..
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