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Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 18th, 2005, 4:00pm
As some of you know, the Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad will be completely absorbed in to CN on June 1, 2005. †The fate of the historic railroad's heritage including the orange loco's and the much-loved "railhead" herald is uncertain.
 
Here is a link to CN's website, and info about the merger

 
http://www.cn.ca/productsservices/GLT/Bessemer/en_index.shtml

So, as a tribute to the old back and orange, I wanted to create a place where we could post photos and memories of the historic road
 
Here is one of my favorites:
 
B&LE train 906 north approaches the Brewer Road grade crossing, north of Culmerville, PA on Dec. 28, 2003 †Sorry its so big. don't know what happened......
 
 
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Feb 18th, 2005, 8:22pm
Cool picture Mike, Thanks.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:00pm
Thanks.
 
I'll try to post more pics later.
 
Does anyone else have pictures of the B & LE in action?  Show 'em off!
Posted by: Operations_Manager Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 3:57pm
Thanks for the GREAT photo, Mike! Over the last few weeks, B&LE powers is showing up fairly regular in consists of trains on CN's Kingston Subdivision.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 5:16pm
Really?   This is the first i have heard of this.  What locos have you seen? Any of the 900 series SD40T-3's?  I ask because down here (Pittsburgh, PA)  we have not noticed any missing units (yet)  .
 
Post pictures if you have them!!!
 
Oh, this may be obvious, but where is CN's Kingston Sub.  I am not very familiar with the railroad's physical plant.
 
Thanks for the info, and the complement!!!  
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 9:24pm
I saw one of the 900's (forgot which number) at Conway several weeks ago.  Perhaps it was enroute to CN?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 2:12pm
Perhaps, unless CN has begun to sell them off, as they already own the railroad    
 
On another forum I heard a RUMOR (just a rumor)  that the erie branch (NA tower to Wallace Jct.) will soon be ripped up.  
 
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 5:23pm
The new (March) issue of CTC Board has a photo of B&LE 909 leading a CN train on former WC in Wisconsin back in January.  Caption says the unit's been in the midwest on WC for several weeks.
 
I suppose we'll be seeing C44-9W's on the Bessemer soon.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 24th, 2005, 9:38am
I read a few months ago in Railpace that the CN replacements would be Dash 8's
Posted by: ranger101 Posted on: Feb 24th, 2005, 11:34pm
Hello Mike and all,
     I have a question.  Where and when around Pittsburgh, Pa is a good time/place to catch any B&LE action.  This railroad was on my "pics to get list."  I'm sorry to see they are going away.  I went up toward Deer Lakes one day and found the ROW.  It was single track till it came to a signal and then turned into 2 tracks after the signal bridge.  I'll try to dig up the pics and post them.  Thanks
Tim
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 25th, 2005, 4:28pm
Tim,
 
  The best way to find a Bessemer train is to use a scanner, as trains are often hard to predict.  If you have a scanner, the road frequency for B&LE is 160.830 MHz.  
A southbound train will call the CN TD3 in Troy Michigan before crossing the Allegheny River Bridge and entering North Bessemer Yard.  On the radio, there will be a double tone from loco radio, followed by a triple beep of the radio system acknowleding the call.  If you hear the double tone, you can bet that a train is near, as the loco's radio transmits at a low power.  As the train approaches NB yard, they will call the Union Railroad TMD at Duquesne (160.260 MHz) to obtain permission into the yard, as it is controlled by the URR.  End of train devices are also used (457.9375 MHz and 452.9375 MHz) on the railroad.
 
  Generally, at least one train will run somtime during the day (all week, dawn till dusk), so relax by the tracks and wait.  There is a defect detector at mp 12.8 in Culmerville (Deer Lakes).  Signal indication is also a good tool to use in spotting these trains.  At the North end of the Allegheny River Bridge there is a light-over-light signal (for lack of a technical term).  If the south bound indication (viewable from Gulf lab road) is orange over red or green over red there is a south bound train approaching the yard.  The signal here is continuously lit, so a red over red is shown when no train is present.  
 
My suggestion is to head to Butler, PA.  Here ,usually if you wait a little while, you will see some action.  some B and LE trains only come as far south as Butler, and the B&LE 867 yard crew is almost always switching A-K steel.  The B&P Butler engine house is close-by so you will not go home empty handed.  
 
A word of warning if you plan to chase.  Mainline trains tend to run at 35-40mph , and little slower depending on weight and grade.  The track from The allegheny river (mp4) to Saxonburgh (approx.mp20) is up grade so the train may slow down going north.
 
if you have other questions , please ask them!!!
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 25th, 2005, 4:36pm
on Feb 24th, 2005, 11:34pm, ranger101 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hello Mike and all,
 † † I have a question. †Where and when around Pittsburgh, Pa is a good time/place to catch any B&LE action. †This railroad was on my "pics to get list." †I'm sorry to see they are going away. †I went up toward Deer Lakes one day and found the ROW. †It was single track till it came to a signal and then turned into 2 tracks after the signal bridge. †I'll try to dig up the pics and post them. †Thanks
Tim

 
  Forgot to mention that trains will spend approximatly one hour in North Bessemer yard before coming north again.
 
And having a road map of local roads and the tracks will also help. †trying to stay along the ROW towards Butler becomes a little tricky.
 
Sound to me like, from you description, you made it as far north as South Saxonburg. †Somtimes trains will meet here to pass, as heard on the radio. the 2nd track is a passing siding that ends a mile north.
 
 Good luck and happy train chasing
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Feb 25th, 2005, 5:13pm
Tim,  
 
If you're out trying to see the Bessemer, Butler is probably a really good option as you can also probably find something interesting on the B&P.  The B&P engine facility is located off US 422 at the intersection with PA route 68.
 
Anthony
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 25th, 2005, 6:00pm
Tim,
Anthony is right, there is a good view of the engine house from the Rt. 68, i believe.
 
If anyone has good luck over the weekend, let us know, and show off your pics!!!
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Feb 28th, 2005, 12:55pm
Several short trains ran over the weekend
 
I caught short northbound north of Saxonburg heading to Branchton at 5pm sat.
Posted by: LL1060 Posted on: Feb 28th, 2005, 6:02pm
Mike-we need to get some video.  
 
And I've got pics of a crane up at Branchton I can post soon...
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 1st, 2005, 3:21pm
Hi Derek,
 Please post your pictures  
Posted by: Operations_Manager Posted on: Mar 1st, 2005, 4:00pm
Ops, Sorry Mike! CN's Kingston Subdivision, is a VERY busy line, which runs from Toronto (Ontario) to Montreal (Quebec). About an hour ago, B&LE 906 was second unit, in a three-unit eastbound (308, I think) The 109 car train, seemed to  cause the leading SD40-2 and the trailing GP40, some trouble due to the heavy train, as per the visable exhaust, but 906, just hummed along! I wonder why this is?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 12:08pm
The bessemer 900 series locomotives are SD40T-3's that are rebuilt from SP SD45 tunnel motors.  The SD45T-2's were rebuilt fairly recently, several years ago, so perhapes the prime mover of the 906 has significantly less wear when compared to the other units that were pulling the train.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2005, 3:45pm
Here is another photo
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Mar 21st, 2005, 6:20pm
I saw a treat on my way home from work today around 4:20PM.  Three tunnel motors running light, heading south across the Allegheny River bridge.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2005, 8:51pm
Did you get any pics?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 2:40pm
here is a snow shot.
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2005, 6:53pm
No, I didn't have a camera with me when I saw the light engines, so no pictures.  
 
Nice snowy shot at the grade crossing in Penn Twp.
Posted by: BLE909 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2005, 12:22am
on Feb 21st, 2005, 5:16pm, MGtrainut wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Really? † This is the first i have heard of this. †What locos have you seen? Any of the 900 series SD40T-3's? †I ask because down here (Pittsburgh, PA) †we have not noticed any missing units (yet) †.
 
Post pictures if you have them!!!
 
Oh, this may be obvious, but where is CN's Kingston Sub. †I am not very familiar with the railroad's physical plant.
 
Thanks for the info, and the complement!!! †

 
MGtrainut:
 
I know the 909 is a CN system roamer. †The 903 was sent to Illinois for repairs and was inteded to return to B&LE rails. †It of course had the same thing happen as the 909. †Its a system roamer too. †Here is my proof: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=97224
 
Jon  
 
Railfaning the B&LE until it dies!
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 25th, 2005, 1:57pm
Jon †Did you post this on the Bessemer message board earlier? †I though the name looked familiar! †Welcome to Railfan.net, BLE909 †
Posted by: BLE909 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2005, 8:37pm
Yeah,
 
I'm the same guy.  Thanks for the warm welcome!!!!!
 
Jon
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Apr 1st, 2005, 10:46am
"Down with the CN" I love it  Couldnt agree more!!!!  
 
   Orange and Black Forever!!!!
Posted by: BLE909 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2005, 1:22am
I'll second that.  I'll only watch the haloween
engines going down the mainline!  
 
Jon
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Apr 4th, 2005, 2:06pm
Went to Butler on Sat. and managed to get repremanded by the AK steel police.
While watching 867 switch the mill, fellow railfan Derek (LL1060) and I were approached by two officials in a white minivan.  They asked us what we were doing, so we told them that we were watching the train switch the mill.  However we were apparently on B&LE property, as they claimed we were trespassing.  I guess we probably were, but only on the pull-off directly by Route 8.  They told us "ok, but dont do it again"  I guess it is probably best to not take pics near the mill, or any plant for that matter.  Everyone seems to be on "Terrorist watch."
 
Got some good video at Butler yard despite everything.    The crew was friendly, and waved as they went past.
Posted by: LL1060 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2005, 6:00pm
Another heads up. Anyone watching Bessemer near Harmar should be careful-police are keeping an eye on the Bessemer in that area cuz of fools on quads & dirt bikes and people dumping gabage on railroad property. Just got questioned over that today.
 
And Mike-When we were over by AK Steel they warned us about tresspassing, but said there was nothing they could do to us because we were tresspassing on B&LE property.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 9:25am
Hey Derek,
 
Atleast the police dont treat us like terrorists!!!
 
If anyone notices any unlawful action taking place around railroads, please try to report it to the local police.  That way we will be seen as the "Good guys" , and the authorites will realize we aren't causing trouble.
 
And repect the "no tresspassing signs" unless you have permission, as the authorities have every right to question you then.   Tresspassing is breaking the law.
Those AK Steel police had no right to claim we were treasspassing, as we were right by the highway.  Only Bessemer could do anything in that case, and it is unlikely that they would.  We weren't close to the rails or climbing up on equipment. Railroads know that railfans exist.  According to another forum, the AK Steel police have actually detained a B&LE employee walking to the train.  Go to the Bessemer message board for more details.  
 
And Derek, did you see the looks on the kids faces (riding the quads) when they saw the Bessemer license plate on the truck?    They got scared for a minute!!  Im surprised that they trespassed anyway!
Posted by: PW_Matt Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 4:36pm
Sounds like you 2 had fun, to bad I wasn't there.  It's unbelievable how some people overreact.  Arresting a railroad employee for trespassing on there own property, how over zelous can you be.  I guess it's good to be on the safe side but it's a thin line between being safe and being way to over protective.  But what are you gonna do.
 
Matt
Posted by: Operations_Manager Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 5:26pm
At last check, both B&LE 906 and 909 were in Western Canada, "free roaming" on the CN
Posted by: dmikulec Posted on: Apr 11th, 2005, 4:07pm
Saw the thread while I was browsing around and had to comment on the passing of the B&LE:
 
I became a "railfan" thanks to the B&LE, spent almost two years living in Albion back in the day, 1974 through 1976. Saw and did much and spent two great summers watching that railroad. I wandered the yards from the depot out through Cranesville many times, back when one was allowed to do such things. I was quite young, in my early teens but had a great respect for the railroad and the men who worked there. Those were great days.
 
Thanks for the memories old girl, you'll be missed.  
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Apr 19th, 2005, 11:55am
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!     903 IN CANADA!!
Not new news I know, but everytime i see a new pic, i get more and more depressed!
Posted by: PW_Matt Posted on: Apr 24th, 2005, 6:03pm
I think I'm going to be sick!!!  All the dead employees of the B&LE are rolling in there graves.  Roy C. Beaver never would have guessed in a million years that his babies would would be pilfered by some hosers.
Posted by: LL1060 Posted on: Apr 26th, 2005, 2:41pm
Yeah, well, like, in their own language, CN can take off, eh!?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: May 3rd, 2005, 9:03am
One Month Left to Catch the Bessemer in action!!!

 
Read in this month's Railpace that bessemer has recieved another chunk of money from the state to improve trackage north of Greenville PA .  I wonder how this works since the B&LE is owned by CN?
Posted by: LL1060 Posted on: May 19th, 2005, 5:52pm
Saw tunnelmotors 902, 904, 908 in Russelton with 109 cars of coal last Wed. they were crawling. IE they got down to 20 mph at the slowest. WOW. Heard the EMD diesel motors ten minutes before we saw the engines.
Posted by: PW_Matt Posted on: May 20th, 2005, 11:02pm
I really need to get out and see some Bessemer before it's executed.  A heavy coal train is railroading at it's best.  I used to catch them on the P&W all the time, that was quite a show, 3 or 4 locomotives on the front with helpers on the back.  My house would shake and I'm over 1/4 mile away from the tracks.  Dang I miss them.  I need to more [/i]real[i] trains none of this 60 mph intermodal crap.
 
B&LE forever
 
Matt
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: May 21st, 2005, 12:36pm
Nothing like 9000 horsepower pulling 10,000 tons of steel.  Usually its Notch 8 through Culmerville.
 
909 has been running on the W&LE RR recently.  Some have reported seeing it in Rook yard and on the Clairton branch.  Getting closer to home!!!
 
I also hear that there are plans to rip up the unused tracks in NB yard, as well as repair those remaning.  Not sure what will come of the take over in 10 days.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: May 31st, 2005, 5:20pm
LAST DAY FOR BESSEMER!!!!!!

 
Well, we shall see what occurs.  Not much has changed, and I find it hard to believe that anything will overnight.  Afterall, trains are controlled by the CN dispatcher already.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Jun 17th, 2005, 10:39pm
MORE Rumors:
  Now dont over react, but i have heard from a person who has talked to the 867 crew that CN has bought 11 new GE's.  The perfect No. to replace the Bessemer units!   Sure would be great to see them in orange and black, since we all know that it was Bessemer who absorbed CN!    
   
        OH well, we can dream, can't we?  We shall be waiting to see what comes of this new bit of info, and what new twists our friends up north can toss us B&LE fans!

         
For a good dose of Bessemer orange
       Visit Brock Johnson's Awesome collection of modern and up to date  
            photos of the railroad

 
        www.bessemerjunction.com
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Jun 18th, 2005, 3:10am
Yep, I'm the one who talked to that nice crew. He said he heard they placed the order when BLE first absorbed CN but nothing has ever came so he was unsure. I am almost hoping any kind of new units come, the back of the greenville shops are empty! Any kind of power would be better than an   seeing empty rails.
 
- Bryan
Posted by: DannyR Posted on: Jun 18th, 2005, 8:50am
I was going to post this elsewhere until seeing this thread. Caught this gondola in Kannapolis, NC, the first B&LE gon I have ever seen in this area.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Jun 19th, 2005, 10:38am
Hi Bryan,
    Nice to see u on Railfan.net!!  We need more hardcore Bessemer fans on here.
  Wonder what that gon is doin' down there?  Nice pic though.  Nice to see equipment still in original paint.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Jul 11th, 2005, 4:55pm
Well, its happened.  Red, Black and White power has intruded the Bessemer.............
in the form of an Alco!!!!!!    Western New York and Pennsylvania RR Alco C430 No. 431 was in Greenville on July 7th.  Its not here for good however, it is said that it is just in town for wheel work.  Im not sure if thats good or bad........I was kinda hopin to see some Alco action down here close to home.
Posted by: Operations_Manager Posted on: Jul 11th, 2005, 8:46pm
Over the last few weeks, I have not seen any B&LE power in Central Canada, but there was a report of a unit in Western Canada, in late June
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 3rd, 2005, 7:45am
Looks Like we lost 909 for good, Im seeing new pics all the time of her in the midwest. Did see a nice lash up of 909 as the lead unit. My question is what are they replacing these units with? Havent heard of CN power on the B&LE Line yet. Have you?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Aug 8th, 2005, 10:51pm
No other power has been brought to the bessemer, we're still see'n 3 unit consists of black and orange tunnel motors
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Aug 11th, 2005, 4:08pm
There are a few SD38 AC's left, with 867 or 866 usually being stored in butler's Calvin yard.   From there, the switch the AK Steel Mill and bring loads (or empties) to the yard, where mainline trains pick them up (or drop off).  Its usually quiet a show when leaving the mill, as they are usually pulling in notch 8 the whole way!!
 
      Check out Brock Johnson's bessemer photo website to see the SD38 AC's in action.  www.bessemerjunction.com
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Aug 16th, 2005, 5:25pm
You can usually catch the 867 yard job anywhere u can get near the track between AK steel and Calvin yard.  Just dont photograph any trains in AK plant, unless u want to be confronted by AK cops.  They cant do anything unless you are on mill property, but I usually try to advoid confrontation.  Ill try to get map together to show you.  How familiar are you with the Butler Area?  Calvin yard is sort of north, just out of the town, but you can catch them in a better spot downtown butler.  There are grade crossings where they pull past in notch 8.  Center Ave? perhaps. it slips my mind at the moment. Ill check.  The railroad itself is usually very friendly as long as u respect property, and use your head.  they wont chase you away if you happen to venture on to propery, but i wouldnt recomend it.  CN officials have been down here lately, and might frown upon railfans tresspassing.  Map will come soon
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 19th, 2005, 8:35am
Thanks MG.   I live in slippery rock so i do know my way around butler rather well. had a few jobs there. I did take a company tour over at AK a few years ago, but they wouldnt allow you to take the camera into. i look forward
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 19th, 2005, 9:01am
Oh by the way, on railpics i have been seeing quite a few shots of 903, and 909 out west. I dont know how old these shots are, but can anybody tell me if they have seen these two units back on B&LE soil in august at all?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 21st, 2005, 3:12pm
just saw 901,904,910 pulling a odd set of freight, only about 15 cars, and going about 50mph. on the old spur behind harrisville pa
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 3:40am
Hey, I caught that train tonight. 909 is now working on the Wisconsin Central and 903 is now on the DMIR to replace the 400's that are down for maintenance. That short train tonight (910, 904, 901) was a scrap train brought from butler down to north bessemer and then back to greenville light power.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 1:45pm
so we lost 909 for good then,,,, that sucks! i doubt we will see 903 again. i wish they would just take the left over sd38 ac's and leave us our tunnels
Posted by: GP38 Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 2:25pm
on Aug 22nd, 2005, 1:45pm, towny72 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
so we lost 909 for good then,,,, that sucks! i doubt we will see 903 again. i wish they would just take the left over sd38 ac's and leave us our tunnels
No way, take the tunnel motors and leave the SD38AC`s. After all there`s no other diesel that says B&LE more then the SD38`s.  
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 2:35pm
well ouch, touchy subject......the B&LE did have those sd38's for a long time, and they do pull, but when i saw that first lash up of bright orange long and mean looking tunnels it was impressive.  i see your point, but i would love to keep our modernize tunnels in western pa!!!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 2:37pm
i heard that 909 was over in rook yard in july on the W&LE? any fact on that
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2005, 10:35pm
Yes, 909 was in Rook yard in July.  Go to Railpictures.net for some great pics of 909 in the yard.  Search in keywords for "909 rook yard". (link didnt work. Damn)
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2005, 4:27pm
There's dates on the photos...903 lead a lime train on the DMIR today theres a pic of it on there.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 24th, 2005, 8:28am
so 909, and 903 are gone. well two are gone not horrible news, but i read that DM&I is planning on putting some "lines" on 903. if that happens i guess we arent going to see her back ever
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Aug 25th, 2005, 11:53pm
I dont know, people have told me they was just seasonal loans and theyd be back but I aint sure these days. Time will tell. Maybe some DMIR power will come down here. That'd be sweet, if you wanna see any of my B&LE pics I took check out:
 
http://bessemerpics.bravehost.com
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 26th, 2005, 11:13am
Wow, nice pics!!!!!!! like the way you set up the site! great work....I remember about 4 years ago seeing a ex DM&IR SD9 short nose on the BL&E for a few weeks, At the time I had no idea of the DM&IR. Wish i would have taken more pics of it. I doubt we are going to see 903 again. People are saying its getting fitted for the plumbing used on the DM&IR.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Aug 26th, 2005, 6:38pm
Is that u bryan?  Shame for not telling me, bessemerlakeerie
   I see the site is working beautifully, LOL
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Aug 27th, 2005, 4:06pm
Yes it's me, 910, 904, and 901 spent a good 3 hours down here in North Bessemer last night switching tons of cars around. They ended up leaving with 140 or so cars. They pulled a really heavy train in aswell. I was told 903's work on the DMIR was limited because it dont got the straight air piping needed to haul tactonite but I didnt hear that they was going to put the strait air piping on it.
 
According to http://www.lsrm.org/Home/railfanupdate.asp...
 
"Former Bessemer & Lake Erie SD40T-3 No. 903 is spending time on the former DM&IR this summer as a temporary replacement engine for Missabe 400-series units that are down for maintenance. The 903 joins orange ex-B&LE SD38 No. 869 (with DM&IR reporting marks)."
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 27th, 2005, 4:26pm
Well I hope 903 will come back someday, good info thanks!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Aug 30th, 2005, 4:14pm
Got stopped by a long train of emptys today on harmony rd. didnt get to see the locos. Did see something i didnt like..... www.cn.ca was stenciled on the side of a good bit of hoppers....boooooooo i hate canucks!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 6th, 2005, 8:45am
Man things are looking sad at Greenville!!!! The roundhouse looks like nobody has been in it in twenty years. I guess its been a [b][/b] since a texas type has been there
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Sep 6th, 2005, 9:22am
Thanks for the pics Bob (i wont call u bobby, LOL) !!! Nice to see some of the regular crew on this thread!!  I would show some photos, but i dont have a scanner or digital camera yet  , so they'll have to wait till after i make the trip to Staples.
Posted by: PW_Matt Posted on: Sep 6th, 2005, 11:41am
I was just up to greenville yesterday, had the whole family along so I didn't dig in too deep.  saw a train in Fredonia, caught up with it again in Grove City and yet again at Queen Junction.  Only have one bad video clip outa all that.  Gotta get together on a saturday and chase them in and around greenville now that I kinda know my way around.
 
Matt
Posted by: LL1060 Posted on: Sep 9th, 2005, 10:41am
IIRC the T-motors are kept at Greenville, 868 is still around, and lives up at Conneaut with a pair of former DM&IR 'SD-M's, and 866 & 867 trade duties working Calvin Yard and Conneaut.  
 
No more F's, SD7s, -9s, -18s, and I believe all the SD38-2s are gone... *sigh*
 
BTW what was the fate of the SW1500s BLE got from Conrail? And was the pair from the Union RR returned?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Sep 9th, 2005, 11:58am
Hey Derek,
  I believe the SW1500s were returned to URR, but im not 100% sure. Somthin to ask about on the "other" board?
   
Matt,
   Glad u had a good time up in Greenville, perhaps a club trip would be in order!!  Its nice to see one of us made it up there finally.  Hope u got some good video, and that the tripod helped.  
 
Also,  
  Has anyone noticed that the radio response tone has changed from the triple beep to a solid tone!?!
  There goes another piece, albeit small, of bessemer uniqueness.
 
Mike
Posted by: edhorm Posted on: Sep 9th, 2005, 6:56pm
I believe that the former CR SW1500's went to the Birmingham Southern and the ex-URR ones went back to the Union. These departed at the same time the 5 SD38-2's left.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Sep 9th, 2005, 7:23pm
Derek,
 The roster at Conneaut is as follows: SD38 862 (the second SD38 ever built by EMD), SD38AC 868, SD38-2 878, and ONE of the DM&IR SDM's (not sure what happened to the other one, but one of them is gone I do believe.) Personally I do not know why so many engines are needed at Conneaut. 867 seems to be really struggling at Butler a lot, dunno why they dont ship another unit down there. Oh well, CN knows what they are doing.
 As we all know 867 is the Butler Yard locomotive. SD38AC 866 is a Misc unit, going wherever it is needed. (often when another locomotive from Conneaut or Butler is in for inspection)  
 868, 878, and 862 are ALL in the original Bessemer scheme with the old logos. 867 and 866 are in the modern scheme that the Tunnel Motors are in.
 The 5 SD38-2s that went to Union Railroad are currently running over on the EJ&E. As well as *877* and another SD38-2.  
  Here is a picture of 868 in all her classic Bessemer glory. Unfortunalty by the time I was able to get my camera it was pretty dark out, but it was nice to see a VERY familiar paint scheme from my early childhood again. This was taken earlier this spring when 868 was being shipped back to Conneaut after inspection.
  SD18 853 is on the Potomac Eagle Railroad, and 854, 855, and 856 are at LTEX as well as SD38-2 873. Like I said, I think all the SD38-2s other than 873 (that were not wrecked or still on the B&LE) are in service on the EJ&E numbered in the 670 series.
  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/Superbird/msoA1653spj.jpg
  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/Superbird/mso6A30Dspj.jpg
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 9th, 2005, 9:55pm
I saw somebody mention a club,,,,is there a B&LE club, would love to join, and thanks for the info on the status of B&LE power
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Sep 11th, 2005, 10:38pm
A bessemer club? Hmmmm............sound like a good idea. Plenty of us around
The club of which i previously refered was a RR club i started at Penn State New Kensington, LL1060 is a classmate of mine.  However i like the idea of a casual bessemer club, or at least a sort of "meeting of Bessemer fans".  Anyone else like the idea?
Posted by: PW_Matt Posted on: Sep 12th, 2005, 11:25am
I'm in
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 18th, 2005, 8:49pm
Yikes 909 was spending the day in Vaughn Ontario today
Posted by: mike_enssle Posted on: Sep 19th, 2005, 4:16pm
on Sep 12th, 2005, 11:25am, PW_Matt wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm in

   Somebody needs to Start a B&LE fan club The Bessemer needs to live for ever.Does eny body have a track map of Albion yard let me know thanks
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 27th, 2005, 11:45am
Hey guys just checking in over the Bessemer network, Seeing if there is any new news, any sightings of Red yet? Has any of our lost locos made it back to home rails?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Sep 29th, 2005, 9:42am
Nothin new on the bessemer cept the change from the triple beep to a solid tone on the dispatcher call on the radio (as metioned before i think, but that was a while ago)
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 29th, 2005, 5:19pm
hey i was looking into listening in on the radio for the trains coming through slippery rock, i was hopen you guys can clue me in on a good radio, that a college student can buy, and what frequency to listen to up here in the rock
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Sep 30th, 2005, 10:33am
Hmmmmm. A good radio, i assume u mean scanner.  Nothin fancy is needed to monitor railroad frequencys, i have a simple handheld Bearcat Sport cat that i picked up at the fleamarket for 60 bucks. it only has 100 channels, the exact amount needed for all of the AAR frequencies.  A friend of mine just bought a new Bearcat scanner at Walmart for about 100 bucks, and it has like 1000 channels and it does much more than mine can dream of.  Radioshack also has some sales on scanners, usually u can pick up  a simple one for about $100-$120 on sale. I started out with a 20 yr old bearcat 210XL 18 channel base unit that i picked up for $10 at the fleamarket.  It continues to provide great service to this day, (with slight repairs, such as a new quiet power supply that my dad got from work, as the Xformer that is built in makes all sorts of humming.) I also built custom tunned antennas that make a world of difference in reception.  Those "rubber ducky" antennas that come with a scanner are worthless pieces of junk. U only get about 50% of what u could with a tunned antenna.  Its usually more important to have a good antenna than an expensive scanner.  The most expensive scanner is worthless when a junky antenna is attached to it.  My suggestion to u is to get a basic scanner, with standard features such as channel lock out,  channel delay, and atleast 100 channels.  Then, depending on where ur gonna use it, get a nice tunned antenna (buy or make urself) for ur house or car.  The best thing u can do for a good price is to search flea markets, try ebay, or just shop around.  The best and most popular brand is Bearcat, but radioshack makes a decent product from what i understand.
 
As for frequencies of Bessemer, U can monitor 160.830 for most communications. Maintanece usually uses 161.010 or 161.310.  and all end of train devices use 457.9375 and 452.9375.
 
Hope this helps, feel free to ask any other quetions, and good luck
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 30th, 2005, 10:44am
thanks, that will get me started. once i get the gear ill let you know if i have anymore questions.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 11th, 2005, 9:31am
Did anybody notice sunday night there was alot of moves going on along the B&LE. Between 9 and 10:30 i heard 3 differnt trains pass through slippery rock.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 12th, 2005, 3:14pm
Another high traffic night. Once again last night i heard three trains between 11pm and 12:30pm. The main that runs by here is a single track so im guessing they keep the trains 30 min apart. Now im just wondering if these are all hoppers? Or what power they are using to pull all these trains.
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Oct 13th, 2005, 3:35am
Yes I did Notice that Sunday and Monday Nights were rather busy on the Bessemer.  Surprising, since coal hauls are down to one a day.  They probably are finally catching up on hauling scrap now.  I have seen about 10 scrap trains this week.  Atleast 2 a day.  Caught one Tuesday night with 910 south.  Did anybody happen to catch the rare move on Monday night with 866 leading the Northbound, and does anybody know why they did this?  Too bad it was dark!
 
PS.  910 looks like it is brand new.  Cleanest I have ever seen it! Nice wax job!!!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 13th, 2005, 4:40pm
Hey Brock, great shot. Good to see they are keeping clean. Are they using the SD38's for extra power right now? And have you seen 909 or 903?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2005, 12:10am
i just caught 151 and 152 on the URR dead line, at railpics.....is this for real the two switchers that worked butler for all those years are now in line for the scrap pile?
Posted by: splicer65 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2005, 12:34pm
No, I'm pretty sure that string went to the Birmingham Southern.
Posted by: caseyjones1533 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2005, 6:08pm
150 and 151 were the original pair that replaced the SD-9s.
Posted by: RAS Posted on: Oct 17th, 2005, 7:21pm
Well here it goes. †THE B&LE received URR 6 and URR 8, both SW1500's when the EJ&E 614 and EJ&E 802 arrived on the property. †Some time later the string you see, minus the URR unit, went to the Birmingham Southern Railroad. †B&LE 150 another SW1500 was then added to the USX roster and I believe resides in the USX Clariton Coke Works as USX#150. †Still in Bessemer paint minus the B&LE herald. †After this occured the URR 6 and 8 were returned to the URR roster.
 
Attached is a shot of the 4 BS units at the NS Kenny interchange exactly 2 years ago to the DAY.
 
Hope this helps,
 
RAS
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 21st, 2005, 4:37pm
Ok with all that said, are there anymore Switcher locos on the roster? And is there any up to date list of power on the B&LE? and by the way more moves in the evening past the rock. 3 more moves last night, 2 north and one sounded like it was south but im not sure on that.
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Oct 22nd, 2005, 11:38pm
You should have went to see one of them southbounds towny?  One of them was a 4 unit set.  Here is the pic.  907 Broke down at Kremis so they brought 910 to rescue the train and continued southward.  Here is the pic!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2005, 9:33am
Thats a nice lash up! Emptys on that train?  Hey brock went past the yard in north butler this morning around 9 saw a bunch of CN rolling stock. 3 box cars, and two spline cars all CN markings. Maybe we are going to see the B&LE run more then just hoppers and gons! And brock if you can keep and eye for the missing B&LE power. Let me know which locos you run into
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 25th, 2005, 4:43pm
Today by armco heading north on the main i saw a unigue high raller...it was a winebago...(spelling) looking thing that was orange,,,just motoring north at 10mph...anybody see this thing before or know what it is? Second I also got to see a long coil cover set. about 40 cars... a dozen or so looked to be brand new. you could see the new looking rust on the truks and wheels....by that i meen just rust no crime or grease.....where would the b&le interchange with csx?
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Oct 26th, 2005, 3:37pm
Towny, the B&LE interchanges with CSX right here in Shenango yard along with NS.  Lately CSX has been visiting the yard quite frequently, about twice a week.  Bessemer set out 130 hoppers for CSX to take west about a week ago.  There were CSX hoppers mixed in with the B&LE ones.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 26th, 2005, 6:24pm
Where is the Shenango Yard located?  Id like to check that out, Hey Brok or anybody he you seen signs of 903 or 909?
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 4:35pm
Shenango Yard is here in Greenville jointly south of the B&LE shops.  CSX should be coming to get some more hoppers tonight.  There is a large string on the "P" company track waiting to go somewhere?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 11:12pm
Hey brock  i looked at my map and see a line coming from the west into greenville then out to the north east. i take it this is the csx line?
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Oct 28th, 2005, 7:57pm
Well technically that line runs in a North/South direction in Western  PA, but It goes from Chicago to New York, therefore its East to West to Norfolk Southern.  They call that there Meadville Branch which ends at the Old EL yard in Meadville.  From there Norfolk Southern continues East having trackage rightrs on the WNYP.  CSX has trackage rights on this line also, and occasionally I will catch a pure CSX coal train heading East on this line.  But to answer your question it is NS mainline with CSX also having Trackage rights.
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 1st, 2005, 6:34pm
Since we are talking about CSX.  Look what was on the Bessemer Mainline today.  2 AC4400's took 130 loads of coal north to Conneaut on the Bessemer.  Had bessemer hoppers, and not CSX hoppers, and regular bessemer crew.  Very interesting considering the fact that rumor land has been saying that CN might bring Gevo's here?  If they were testing these, then I think they failed.  2 locos was not enough power for this train.  They could barely make it up the small hill on the low line.  Like I said, only time will tell.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:08pm
Well thanks to you guys, you sparked my interest in the P&C docks at Conneaut. An hour's drive away for me and the possibility of finding Bessemer power is all that it took to get me out the door this morning. Unfortunately, my poor camera's digital zoom still couldn't work the distance so the shots aren't the best. I did find the DM&I unit along with two Bessemer units. This shot is directly across the river from the CN office
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:09pm
A little further north toward the lake. A mile-long conveyor belt system and other transport equipment have made the dock companyís coal handling facility one of the biggest along the Great Lakes.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:11pm
Looking out toward Lake Erie
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:15pm
I started to roam about looking for better vantage points and came across one that looks down from the CSX Buffalo mainline. Lake Erie is off in the background
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:16pm
Ah, my quarry
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:17pm
Closer...
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 4th, 2005, 11:22pm
I'm just about to leave the area when I hear his engine working a string of cars south. I catch him at the bridge just before he reverses and heads north again. SD38AC, #868. The Nickle Plate bridge is in the background with the CSX main (not see) behind that.  
 
Thanks for the info on the activity at the docks. This will defintely be a favorite spot of mine. Looks like good fishing too!
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Nov 5th, 2005, 12:03am
That last photo is great. 866 was the lead unit back home tonight from North Bessemer. Maybe there gonna start usin this consist? 866 was lookin brand new....
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 5th, 2005, 1:09pm
Thanks Bryan. You have a nice webpage yourself on the B&LE. I take it you're from the N Bessemer area then? Any other message boards for the Bessemer that one can suggest? I found one on yahoo.
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 5th, 2005, 6:27pm
Eh Hem!  Don't forget about my website too there guys.  www.bessemerjunction.com  for the latest in Bessemer action.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 5th, 2005, 7:32pm
Thanks Brock. Nice photos as well. I'm checking it out now and hitting the links too. I see you're in Fredonia, which puts you close to the Bessemer line then.  
 
Going by Carsten's map of the B&LE, I was mistaken thinking the B&LE line ran due south out of Conneaut to Greenville. That explains why the horn from yesterday's train sounded further east from Conneaut. I was tempted to give chase but figured there'd be another day for chasing. I also see the towns of Albion and Wallace Junction though Carsten says little to see at Wallace. How 'bout Albion?
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Nov 6th, 2005, 1:48am
Thanks, yeah I'm from North Bessemer. Here is another B&LE board you might want to check out. Most the new rumors and other stuff is talked about there...
 
http://members3.boardhost.com/Bessemer/
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 6th, 2005, 7:42pm
903 and 909 are together on the Missabe!  Thanks to Dave Schauer for getting this pic on railpics.  http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=124474 Now lets hope they bring them back home!
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Nov 8th, 2005, 12:59pm
BLE SD38AC #866 made its way back to North Bessemer again.. Here's my photos a few new other ones I added to my site today..
 
http://bessemerpics.bravehost.com
 
Brock should have some photo's to post up as well.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 8th, 2005, 4:39pm
ive noticed the sd38 working butler, This means the SW's are gone for good?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 9:31am
If i remember correctly, the SW's went back to the URR several years ago?
Posted by: bigblue formerly bigred Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 4:29pm
MGtrainut, I saw your picture a few pages back of the train crossing the Allegheny. That's a differant angle then I'm used to looking at it. I'm normally on the turnpike bridge that is in the back ground. I remember as a youngster always wanting to see a train cross that bridge. In 43 years I have yet to see it happen. I guess if I'd just stopped to "smell the roses" I would have. I also remember a huge billboard on the west(?) side.
Posted by: RAS Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 6:36pm
on Nov 10th, 2005, 9:31am, MGtrainut wrote:       (Click here for original message)
If i remember correctly, the SW's went back to the URR several years ago?

 
 
As I stated in a previous message, the BLE 160 and 161, went back the URR around 2 years ago.  These were URR 6 and 8 and always retained their Blue and white colors.  The BLE 150-151-152-153 came the URR only to be sent to two different locations.  The 150 and 153 now reside at the USX Clariton works.  They are both still Orange and Black, but the B&LE heralds are gone.  The 151-152 pair went the Birmingham Southern.
 
 
Attached is a picture of them at the NS interchange in 2003.
 
RAS
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 7:32pm
As a youngster growing up in Harmarville, I witnessed many trains crossing the Allegheny and I too want to know what ever happened to the billboard. Probably adorning someone's game room wall.  
 
on Nov 10th, 2005, 4:29pm, bigblue formerly bigred wrote:       (Click here for original message)
MGtrainut, I saw your picture a few pages back of the train crossing the Allegheny. That's a differant angle then I'm used to looking at it. I'm normally on the turnpike bridge that is in the back ground. I remember as a youngster always wanting to see a train cross that bridge. In 43 years I have yet to see it happen. I guess if I'd just stopped to "smell the roses" I would have. I also remember a huge billboard on the west(?) side. †

Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 7:35pm
I have tomorrow off and debating whether to try Conneaut again or go south and check out Greenville. Any suggestions on when I can see any movements at Conneaut or Greenville? I gave up on the yahoo B&LE site; almost a week and no responses to my questions.
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 11:09pm
There is really no scheduled times on the B&LE anymore. I asked many workers and they have all told me the same, that it all depends on the Conneaut docks. If you want to be certain to see some action you might want to check out Butler, 45 minute drive from Greenville probably. You can see  B&LE 867 working the Butler Calvin yard and if your lucky you could see a southbound B&LE run as well. Or just get brock, superbirds, and the rest of the greenville train chasers phone numbers and call them constantly asking if they heard if anything is moving and chase a train from Greenville. That always works.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 1:57pm
as of late ive noticed alot of moves coming through slippery rock around 9pm or later....numbers are down. a few weeks back there was at least 3 moves a night  
now just one
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:01pm
So I go with my gut feeling and head to Greenville not really knowing what to expect. I figure it'll at least get me familiar with the territory.  
 
Following Rte 18 south I arrive in Greenville and I guess for me being the newbie Bessemer fan, I make the traditional stop at the museum. I haven't seen this engine in over 20 years when on a trip to Lake Erie I passed by it. I was drooling then and just the same today. So I'm setting up the shot when this guy walks in front of the camera. HEY, DOWN IN FRONT!
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:08pm
Well, that's not what really happened.  
 
While taking shots of the engine and everything else on the grounds I got to meet one of the co-authors of the Morning Sun book, "Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad: In Color", none other than Nathan Clark himself. He just happened to be passing by and saw me photographing 604.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:12pm
Standing in the brisk temps and wind, no jacket as you see, for 45 minutes he gave me an indepth report on Greenville, the shops, the High and Low lines, where to find them, where the depot and corporate offices are, good spots to shoot, the Erie line in front of us, the history of so much, he just went on and on, I was just overwhelmed by the man. His book, sorry, couldn't find any images online bigger,
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:18pm
So lo and behold Lee ( I think that was his name) from the museum happens to come by to open the shop. Nate takes me along with another guy who happened to stop by into the shop. We weren't there more than 5 minutes when this guy's scanner goes off;something's moving north. We dash out the door hoping to catch the train which was already passing in sight from the doorway. I was able to catch him at this crossing and also a few other places but the chase ended in Conneaut, where my journey began. Long day, tired but satisfied it ended well. †
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:22pm
...and at Conneaut, a shot from the Rte 20 bridge. The rookie got lucky today I guess but it made for a memorable day.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 10:32am
Thanks Bob for the comments and info for future reference. 868 only approached the bridge/crossing from the north but never crossed it. No horns either    Maybe he didn't want to disturb the fishermen down in the river  
 
As for yesterday's movements can I assume that in general once a train arrives from the south, a relatively quick return trip south can be expected? Maybe the next time to Conneaut I'll stick around and see.
 
I did stop in Albion yesterday. A local spoke of days of old when the yard was a beehive of activity due in large to how busy the P&C dock was. How times have changed.    
 
He said due to recent vandalsim he heard that CN was going to tear down what remains of the office and old diesel shop and that most of the staging tracks were being yanked too. I could see from a distance the windows all boarded over in the office building. Truth or not?
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 10:55am
I would not see any reason to keep Albion Yard. Nothing is really there except MOW stuff once in a while, although I have only been there a few times.
 Trains usually stay in Conneaut for a little over an hour before they head south to Greenville. They usually do the round trip, either to Conneaut or XB, in about 6 to 7 hours.
UPDATE
on the 866 deal and its not good. At 10:30 AM today, they cut it out of the consist at Shenango because of a bad air hose leak. I really hope they get it fixed and out in road service again for a few more daylight runs. It would be sad to see it sit around the shops again until it is needed at Conneaut or Butler. Keep your fingers crossed.
 Anyway, for anyone between Greenville and Butler, 905 South should be leaving here at XN real soon.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 7:12pm
bigblue,  That shot was taken from the east side of the bridge, on the shore of the river.  Are u refering to the Gigantic Bessemer sign on the west side of the brige when u say billboard?  Only that one is left, i was wondering if the other side displayed one at some time?
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 8:30pm
No, he's referring to an actual billboard that used to adorn the hillside on the western side. It was there for the years and featured the F units hauling coal. That's going by my memory which I must admit, some of the gray cells have long been lost so correct me anyone if you can. I'd love to see that billboard again. Can't say exactly when it was taken down.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 9:33pm
UPDATE

 Bessemer Cheif came over the scanner a little bit ago. Told 904 North to pick 866 back up from the boneyard cause they are gonna use it tomorrow as a lead unit. I guess they fixed the air problem pretty quick. Get your cameras out folks.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 12th, 2005, 11:25pm
What time would you expect them to make the move? Is traffic any more or less on Sundays?
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 12:00pm
Well, 906 left Kremis at 10:45 to go south. I think it is a safe bet that 866 will leave the shops between 12 and 4 PM, but don't hold me to that. It could go south or north, but I would bet on north because there has not been a northbound yet today, but once again don't hold me to that.
          -Bob
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 1:03pm
wow great to see all the B&LE action on this forum!   About the 2001 shoving platform. I know that comes into AK steel on a daily bases. Im not sure about the weekends but for years i worked along the main just north of AK and that same cabose came through every day. Of course they also had the old 150-151 sw combo pushing. Now its 867? How many sd38's are still left in greenville?
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 1:28pm
The only SD38 that can be considered to be "stationed" in Greenville is 866. It appears to be a system wide spare unit and is sent to Conneaut or Butler when an SD38 there comes to Greenville for FRA Inspections. This occured earlier this year when 867 was sent to Greenville for inspection and 866 took over 867's duties at Butler for just a few weeks. However for some reason they have started using 866 as mainline road power in the last week...
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 7:03pm
good to see  38's getting some action. Would the increase traffic be a reason for 866 being called into action? i have noticed hearing a few more trains then normal for the past month, and if this is so maybe the will give us the two tunnels back from the missabe? wishfull thinking.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 7:49pm
There may be a slight increase in traffic. It would be cool if 909 and 903 came back, but who could complain if they sent DM&IR T-Motors, SD38-2s, or SDMs down here. A WC SD45 would be cool too!
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Nov 13th, 2005, 9:48pm
WOW, an actual bessemer advertisment for all to see!! Sure would be awsome to see some shots of it if anyone has any.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 14th, 2005, 9:59pm
B&LE 905 South at Kremis @ 8:30 PM. 866 is the third unit. They stopped for a red signal at Kremis and went from idle  to notch 8 in just a few seconds and boy was 866 the loudest of them all!! Train is headed for Butler and should be there within the hour.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 15th, 2005, 9:12am
thanks superbird, caught it coming through the rock just before 9:30.....any idea if it might be coming back north in the day light?
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 15th, 2005, 3:03pm
They should have come back north about an hour after you saw them...
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 15th, 2005, 10:24pm
BLE 866 left GV at 10:20 PM headed north to Conneaut. Train should arrive in Greenville again around 5 AM. It is possible it may continue south after that, but I do not know.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 16th, 2005, 3:24pm
Super. Everynight I hear a train between 9 and 10, then normally another an hour later. I take it thats what you ment. every night they take a train to butler then turn back to greenville? If this is so would these be scrap and other materials for Ak?
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 17th, 2005, 3:45pm
Maybe not every night, I do see them in the day quite often too. If its an ore train going to North Bessemer it won't be back for more like 2 hours.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 17th, 2005, 6:52pm
Are all trains dispatched out of Greenville, other then work at the docks?
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 19th, 2005, 7:52pm
At Greenville today was this southbound. I caught him off Wasser Bridge Road. Here he was reversing to pick up some cars in the yard below.
 

 
Once he was clear of the crossing  I parked and waited for him to come back up the grade.  
 

 
From there back to Conneaut but little going on there. 868 was moving cars about but this was the closest he got to me.  
 
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 19th, 2005, 10:57pm
Nice pics Rob!
 I saw these guys around 6:30ish in Albion. Apparently they went past me here in Greenville without me even knowing it after coming back from Butler around 2. They went light to Conneaut to get ore and we caught them at Albion and followed them home to Greenville. They tied up at Kremis and they were slated to head to XB at 9:30 this evening. Should be getting close to Butler by now.  
 I was REALLY close to going to see that train you took pics of. Since it wasnt 866 leading and my dad had other plans. (2 more months, then I can finally do this chasing myself! LOL)
 Lemme know next time you are in town and I will tell you what's coming to and leaving Greenville, on the NS and BLE.  
               -Bob
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 20th, 2005, 12:03am
ive noticed more and more cn box cars, why is this,,,,,where are they headed on the b&le?
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:54am
Sounds like once you get that car Bob, I can see high miles on it already. Hope your old man is sympathetic? LOL I'm sure he is but watch those train chases. It's easy to get caught up in them and exceed the speed limit. I'm guilty of that. I tore out of Greenville so fast last week trying to get ahead of the train I know I broke a few laws. Senses took over once I reached Adamsville. No train is worth the cost of a ticket or even worse, a wreck.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 20th, 2005, 6:59am
Criminey, reading that I probably sounded like your dad. Sorry.  
 
If I plan anymore trips to Greenville, maybe we can exchange phone numbers offline beforehand. With the holidays coming up though, my time in Greenville will be limited.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 20th, 2005, 10:09am
Already have the car, I just need to get the full license and lose the permit.  
You didnt sound like dad in your post lol. In fact dad doesnt get on me too bad about speeding occasionally when trying to beat them to a crossing or something. (Probably because he knows I have seen him do the same thing when train chasing?) The only ones that are hard to chase are northbounds. As long as I do the speed limit I can get southbounds pretty easy for the most part. I think people think they are going faster than they really are. They only did 35 through Conneautville last night but it seemed faster.
  I think 866 is getting ready to go north now. Cya later.
            -Bob
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2005, 4:22pm
Noticed more rail removal on the siding between grove city and slippery rock. Ive seen the same thing happening on the DM&IR. any reason cn is having all this rail lifted? And again the two missing tunnels are on the Iron Range. Always with an old sdm on lead. Which brings up the question why?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2005, 4:25pm
Was on sd45.com and noticed some pics of the great old power on the B&LE. I thought tunnels were my favorite locos on the bess, but now im loving the other style of paint seen on the old RSD15's and other old locos on the line. Anybody interested in these or know any facts and pics?
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2005, 4:51pm
The best online place for photos of diesels long ago retired is the Fallen Flag site. Here's the link to the Bessemer diesel page and one pulled from the site (Bill Navari Collection), †http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ble/ble-dies.html
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2005, 5:47pm
good sight coffee, i really wish the rsd15's would have made it to the modern bessemer
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2005, 5:55pm
Courtesy of Paul, I see where the docks at Conneaut are back in operation. It can only be good for the Bessemer as well as us railfans     The article itself, http://www.starbeacon.com/?MC=NEWS&NID=1&AID=9622
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Nov 24th, 2005, 10:21pm
Snow has arrived At last!!!!  Time to venture out into the brutal weather and get those dramatic photos!!! Just remember to be safe and to watch were u go if u dont have 4x4 .
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 1:28pm
BLE 905 South out of Greenville @2:00 PM. Consist is 905, 904, and 866
!!
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 4:45pm
Sorry superbird but 866 never made it out of Shenango to my knowledge due to mechanical problems.  It was replaced by 907.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 6:58pm
Sorry Brock, but I saw it with my own two eyes at Hamburg Rd., Route 58, and Orr Rd. I'll post the pictures to prove it in a few minutes. Yes they did uncouple from it at the shops and yes 907 was there. However 900 and 907 were joined as a new two unit set just minutes after 866 and co. departed for Shenango and points south. Dunno where you heard 907 was being put with 904 and 905.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 7:28pm
Awesome shot Bob!
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 9:25pm
Thats what I get for sleeping with the scanner on.  When I wake up sometimes I get confused weather something was a dream, or wether it was something I heard on the scanner in my sleep.  I dream about SD38's SD45's and tunnelmotors everyday.  So sometimes its confusing.  Thanks for the correction and the pics Bobbo.  LOL
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 11:15pm
Brock do you know when 866 left NB?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2005, 11:40pm
wow awsome shots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 8:49am
<drool>
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 10:29am
super do you have a pic of 404.....................i hope that the isolation the B&LE has keeps orange on the rails for many years to come
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 10:37am
I'd be interested as well. It would seem RP has few of the DM&I itself as I did a quick search for it.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 3:40pm
My bad, 402 not 404. Photo by Mike Kirsch.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=212843
 
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 6:22pm
Honestly, being that is the first T-motor to ever see CN paint, it does look really sharp.  But we all know in a couple of years it will be faded and peeling off cause the paint CN uses is crap!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 9:08pm
Ah i really hate to see that DMIR on the cab. man this sucks. now i can vision a BLE on the side of them running past our town Im just speechless
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 11:22pm
Saw 866 for the first time today!!!!!  Caught her at the last minute coming out of NB at the north end of the Allegheny River Bridge at around 3:30pm, right after devouring one of Primanties awsome pizzas . Had to drag a non railfan along, he didnt seem to understand............  I REALLY like 866's horn tho, wouldnt mind recording that sometime.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 12:55am
Yeah, it does have a good horn doesnt it? Here is a small sample of my recordings. Thanks for hosting these Brock!!!!
 
http://bessemerjunction.com/906stglory.wav -SD40T-3 BLE 906 South at St. Glory Rd. outside of Greenville.
 
http://bessemerjunction.com/867butler.wav -SD38AC BLE 867 working hard approaching a grade crossing in downtown Butler, PA.
 
http://bessemerjunction.com/866shermansville.wav - SD38AC BLE 866 at MD Interlocking just north of Shermansville, PA.
 
 
 
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 9:55am
Excellent wavs! Thanks for sharing, both of you.
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 6:45pm
Caught 866 in North Bessemer today..
 

Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 9:28pm
Wow more great shots! is 867 still in butler doing the interchange with AK steel.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 10:15pm
Hey ROB,
 What time did you see 868 pulling that cut of cars out from the harbor? I found a picture of 153 pulling a cut of cars and the string was long enough that he had to go past the crossing, so I now know it DOES happen. I might be heading up to Conneaut tomorrow and would like a general time.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Nov 27th, 2005, 10:29pm
According to the file, around 9 AM. The train that eventually took the cars south left Conneaut around 2 PM. The following week I set up around 1 PM and 868 never left the yard for the two hours I waited. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you. Good hunting Bob.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 1st, 2005, 12:14am
just got word from duluth that 903,909 are still doing daily runs on the missabe, usally with a sdm on point.....
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 8th, 2005, 8:13pm
What loco are they using to work AK and the yard in butler?
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Dec 9th, 2005, 9:50am
It looks like a bessemer engine but it's really an SW1000 owned by the Armco steel plant.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2005, 12:56pm
Hey guys, talks have almost grinded to a stop. If anybody has any B&LE news sightings, or questions lets have them. Gotta keep the B&LE going
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Dec 19th, 2005, 12:08pm
Well, 866 and 867 traded places last week, on monday evening i think  (pics to come soon, stupid film photography, ).  So now we will get to see 867 in road service and 866 in AK steel service.    Oh and santa is now running trains!!  Keep your eyes peeled
 
Also Curtisville yard has recently (within the last month) been completely disconnected from the main line completely on both ends. Not sure of the reasoning behind this, as the mainline sections from where switches were removed have been "filled" with jointed rail, not welded.  Almost like they are planning to reinstall a siding or somthing.  Brock has some photos, if he would so kindly post them, lol.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2005, 4:41pm
Hey how do you get the scrolling trains on the bottom ?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Dec 19th, 2005, 6:42pm
go to the "Mainline" section of the website and under "railroad art" and/or "test forums" should be tips and advice.
U have to put html code into your profile signature, and the little pictures (gifs as they are called) must be hosted on a webpage.  Railfan.net has some program to help u assemble trains from each car and loco (each made of an individual gif).  To find the gifs, there are countless websites out there with gifs drawn by different people.  Specifically try Frograil.com for a HUGE selection.  Those other forums should help with the proper "tags" to put in ur signature and how to do it, much better than i can  
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Dec 19th, 2005, 7:28pm
My friend Jon Clark has a GIF page at our website with a lot of Bessemer GIFs...
http://ble909.tripod.com/sclw/id13.html
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Dec 19th, 2005, 7:55pm
BTW, 867 IS NOT in road service right now that I am aware of. It is at Conneaut replacing 862 that is in Greenville for inspection.
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2005, 2:45am
Here is a pic from our visit of Curtisville yard.  Thanks for prodding me to post Mike!  
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2005, 2:47am
Another pic.  
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2005, 2:50am
This is the North end.  Last 2 Photos were from South end.  
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2005, 7:56pm
Has that yard been used in the past ten years?   By the way tons of pics of DMIR 401 in CN paint are on rail pics,,,, its a sad look at our future around here
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2005, 10:43pm
Hey what do you guys think about starting a new forum, This one is getting long, and maybe something with out "last days" in the title?
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 1:52pm
Sounds good to me, i tried a few years ago to get a Bessmer board in the shortlines/regionals category, but there was no interest.  We seem to have quite a few interested people now, so mabey we should try again?  I belive all we have to do is post a suggestion in forum suggestions board, and have enough people "second" the idea.  It would be a little more organized as we could then have indvidual topics instead of running all ble info in one giant topic.  Anyone else like the idea? Also, someone would have to become moderator of the board?
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 1:57pm
Yes I will second that motion indeed.
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 2:06pm
Ok, i made a forum suggestion for the creation of a Bessemer and Lake Erie Board.  Anyone interested needs to go to the the Mainline category, then to Forum Suggestions, then to Bessemer and Lake Erie Board and support its creation.  Also volunteers for moderators are needed i belive?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2005, 10:06am
ok posted my vote....everybody else needs to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    question. are the hoppers b&le uses 90ton?
Posted by: BESSEMERLAKEERIE Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2005, 10:44am
Here's some pic's I've got recently. Here's the ones with 867's only run to NB so far.
 
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/desao2/nb867leadsnow.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/desao2/nb867leadsnow2.jpg
 
and here's some ngiht shots of tunnel motors in the dark.
 
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/bessemerpics/nbsnow904blebrakie.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/bessemerpics/nbsnow904blebrakie2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/bessemerpics/nbsnow904bleidle.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/bessemerpics/nbsnow904blereverse.jpg
 
 
I been bored taking night shots....
 
Oh and this is BESSEMERLAKEERIE, I changed my name to North Bessemer.
 
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Dec 31st, 2005, 12:53pm
Watch for some action around AK steel in butler. Drove past yesterday and dang tons and tons of empty gondolas building up. A line over a mile long coming out of the melt shop and wrapping around to rt8. A good bit of coil cover, and a few other 1/4 mile long sets of empty gondolas. Oh and now alot of the old trinity siddings are gone. I know AK for a long time used these to store rail cars emptys etc, but now that space is gone.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2006, 9:17pm
Taking the cameras to greenville tomorrow. I need directions to the shops.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 4th, 2006, 12:29pm
Well made it to greenville, disapointing trip. Once i got there i drove around trying to get a good spot to check out the shops.  Parked across the bridge and walked over. The place was dead. About 3 cars in the lot. and no locos to be seen. Coulnt tell if anything was inside the shop. transfer table was empty, and no MOW trucks anywhere. I drove up 18 a ways and all signals in both directions where red over red. So Im home for lunch then off to the calvin yard.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 4th, 2006, 3:50pm
Well didnt have to go far. Heard one from the house and went to the crossing up the road aways. 905, 902, and well couldnt get the # on the lead loco. Calvin yard will have to wait till tomorrow
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 4th, 2006, 3:53pm
Short and fast! This guy had her notched out and moving good with only 50 or so emptys behind her. 40mph plus. Had a hard time switching between cameras. Hopefully i got a better shot of the lead on my 35mm.
Posted by: cavity Posted on: Jan 9th, 2006, 2:21pm
Here is a pic for you MG, latest Athearn Ready to Roll.  Sorry for the poor image quality, bad lighting takes away from a rather nice model.  Only real drawback is that it doesnt have constant lighting, something that is a must for todays models in my option.  Todd
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 10th, 2006, 10:01am
is that the new athearn?  I want one!!!!! I have one of the tunnels, awsome units!
Here is a SD38 pick from  calvin yard
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Jan 11th, 2006, 11:00pm
Nice Pic, looks like u have a nice layout too!!
Posted by: cavity Posted on: Jan 12th, 2006, 9:37pm
Thanks MG, I wish I could tell you its nice, but it really isnt so hot, and the pictures, man its hard to get a good picture of a layout without good lighting.  That flash looks like a giant flash of lightning, but oh well.  My layout is just a 2x8 mudular type and I am actually putting together plans to model the P&W.  That will be my real layout, and one that will probably take some years to complete.  Thanks again for the positive comments.  Todd
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 20th, 2006, 4:41pm
Ran into 867 in butler today....with no camera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like 866 is back in greenville and out of calvin. 867 had  alot of work to do, there where cars everywhere in butler. Gons from south of AK up past the new bridge on rt8. Hopefully I can get down to calvin tomorrow and pop a few pics of 867 for you guys
Posted by: Brock50 Posted on: Jan 27th, 2006, 7:03pm
It very well could be the last days of the Bessemer with rumor of 905 and 904 leaving for the CN snow country next week.  Again a very bad management decision by CN.  Somebody at CN headquarters needs to lose there JOB!!!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 30th, 2006, 12:16am
Breaking my heart. 904 would have to be a personal fav. I have the athearn model, and for some reason I always would catch her on point when i caught a train.  Are they sending these two units and not replacing them? If so then what we are down to 6 tunnels, and two sd38's. Which leads two 3 unit lash ups, one for calvin, and one extra to rotate in and out for services?  Wow at this rate I wonder how long CN plans on running opperations on the B&LE. very very sad indeed
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 31st, 2006, 12:13pm
Get out and see it while you can! Reading more about motive power being reasinged. Hopefully this isnt true. Only time will tell. Here is a list of power. If you see something wrong let me know
Current B&LE Roster
 
866 SD38  EMD Built B&LE 1971  
868 SD38  EMD Built B&LE 1971
900 SD40-3T  EMD Built  
901 SD40-3T EMD Built
902 SD40-3T EMD Built
903 SD40-3T(*)EMD Built
904 SD40-3T EMD Built
905 SD40-3T  EMD Built
906 SD40-3T EMD Built  
907 SD40-3T EMD Built
908 SD40-3T EMD Built
909 SD40-3T(*)EMD Built
910 SD40-3T EMD Built
 
(*) In service on the CNís DM&IR
! 900, 904, 905 possibly being sent to CN
 
And if anybody has built date, for the former SP units or former SP #'s thanks!
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Jan 31st, 2006, 4:30pm
You missed SDM's 858 and 859, SD38 862, SD38AC 867, and SD38-2 878.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jan 31st, 2006, 4:52pm
Super, are those up at the docks? the two ex DM&IR units ive seen picks of? SDM'S WOW I didnt know any still are around!!! Awsome, sad to say Im sure CN will part ways with them in no time at all.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Feb 1st, 2006, 12:18pm
          Current B&LE Roster(2/1/06)
B&LE # Model  Builder/Built For Build Date Original Road Numbers
858 SDM  EMD exDM&IR ?
859 SDM  EMD exDM&IR     ?
862 SD38  EMD DM&IR  1967   ?
866 SD38 AC       EMD B&LE  1971
867 SD38 AC       EMD B&LE  1971  
868 SD38 AC       EMD B&LE  1971
879 SD38-2  EMD B&LE  1973
900 SD40-3T        EMD SSW  1973 (9289)
901 SD40-3T       EMD SP  1972 (9232)
902 SD40-3T       EMD SP  1972 (9189)
903 SD40-3T(*) EMD SP  1975 (9351)
904 SD40-3T       EMD SSW  1973 (9269) (SP 6816)
905 SD40-3T        EMD SSW  1973 (9286) (SP 9286)
906 SD40-3T       EMD SP   1975 (934  
907 SD40-3T       EMD SP   1973 (6887) (SP 9305)
908 SD40-3T       EMD SP  1973 (6827) (SSW 9301)
909 SD40-3T(*) EMD SSW  1973 (6890) (SSW 9277)
910 SD40-3T       EMD SP   1972 (6825) (SP 9229)
 
(*) In service on the CNís DM&IR
! 900, 904, 905 possibly being sent to CN
SD40-3T former SD45T-2
Ok thats as much info as I could find. If anybody again notices something wrong let me know, and if anybody has info for the ? on the list let me know thanks. Did anybody notice the three units if they are gone?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 5:34pm
Pre Super Bowl trip to Calvin today. Caught the crew drop'n a cut of cars and tying down 867 and 2001 for the big game.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 5:35pm
4:30 and the crew had there cars warming up. Two  hours till kick off I think they are done for the day
Posted by: North Bessemer Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 11:36pm
I'm so lucky I caught that bad boy in NB on its only trip here in a few years. Nice photo's.  
 
 
And the Steelers won as expected!!
Posted by: chirality27 Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2006, 8:53pm
I saw a large brace of equipment just north of the Allegheny river bridge this morning at ~07:30.  I thought it may have been a rail grinder.  Anyone else see it?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 5th, 2006, 1:38pm
Yep the railgrinder, Guys have been telling me about it and last reports put it by the bridge at some point.. Get up there and snap some pics!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 5th, 2006, 1:40pm
http://members3.boardhost.com/Bessemer  this is the place for the talk on the B&LE
Posted by: MGtrainut Posted on: Mar 16th, 2006, 10:02am
878 is back in road service!!!!!!!  Caught her last night in a four unit consist in Harmarville!!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2006, 5:41pm
good old 867 in calvin yard. being tied down for the night when i got there. Too many cars in the way couldnt get a good shot.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 26th, 2006, 1:52pm
And here is a pic of where all that north bound coal ends up. One thing was missing from Conneaut that day! Motive Power!!!!!!!! I did see one ex DMIR SDM way out by the lake, but none of the other units
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Mar 26th, 2006, 2:38pm
That's because TWO of the Conneaut engines are in Greenville! SD38 862 is STILL undergoing repairs in the shops and 868 is here also, probably for a FRA inspection.
Picture taken with permission.

            -Bob
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 26th, 2006, 6:25pm
Hey super, got any pics of 862?
Posted by: OCTLALCO Posted on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:28pm
I went to Albion yard today, to try and catch the southbound train that I heard recieving track clearance on the scanner. I was suprised to see how much more of the yard had been dismantled since the last time I was there. I must say though, It was great to hear the 3 EMD's "growling" in the distance for over twenty minutes! I was just happy to see it was all still black and orange.
Posted by: OCTLALCO Posted on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:34pm
The curve entering downtown Albion.
Posted by: OCTLALCO Posted on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:36pm
another shot....
Posted by: OCTLALCO Posted on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:38pm
and another...
Posted by: OCTLALCO Posted on: Apr 13th, 2006, 9:40pm
and a final shot.
Posted by: SuperbirdVHble Posted on: Apr 14th, 2006, 7:42pm
Nice pics OCLTALCO!
I have seen a few. Here are a few that I can show you guys....
SD38AC 868 at the shops Wed.

SD38-3 866 sanding on out of Kremis today. She was headed to Butler to replace 867.

I caught this about a week ago. Two at KY! You can obviously see 902 S coming up the lowline with the scrap train, but if you look to the right on the highline you will see the headlights of the 908 S that will be taking the siding at Kremis. I have only seen a meet at KY twice, both this year though.
Posted by: Coffee Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2006, 8:35am
Nice shots Bob and OCTLALCO.  
 
Towny, you have anymore of the laker shots from Conneaut? I'd be interested in seeing them. Here or email them to me.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: May 8th, 2006, 9:36pm
Sorry for the delay coffee. this was the only other shot I got.......Things are so big I cant get the whole boat in one pic on my digi.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jul 15th, 2007, 9:34am
I cant let this forum make its way to the back pages. A little update for any Bessy fans.... Major track repair is being done this summer. Several new switches and a great deal of tie replacement. Also CN is running 4 trains a day now..... Much shorter trains, but on somewhat of a set sched. 909, 903 are still the only units off the system. and the 38s are being let out of the pen and doing some main line turns!
Posted by: The_Bessemer_Man Posted on: May 2nd, 2009, 7:25am
It's been awhile since we've talked about our beloved B&LE. here are some updates.  
   1. as far as I know 3 SD38s are together currently
    2. on May 10 2009 it'll be the 5th aniversary of the takeover.
   The B&LE no longer hauls coal for now estimates believe 2010 it may come back .  U.S. Steel has brought both Blast Furnaces back in opearation at Braddock. They still haul Limestone, and switch many small industries such as chemical, and lumber. At Greenville the shops are still there on a low level of activity. The KO line is still inuse I've seen many trains there lately.  
 
    As  far as preservation not to much.There have been talks about 2-10-4 # 643 in a local society. CN has done some work on maintenance. Also, many B&LE hoppers have some CN marks on them and some do crossing gates, boxes, etc. The dispatch is now CN.
 
Hope this helps anyone curious
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: May 2nd, 2009, 8:39am
What chemicals are they switching.  
 
I know of Lumber, Ore, Stone, Plastic Pellets, Scrap, Baking supplys from time to time.. And None haz material for McCormicks.  
 
 
And some day never to come Coal....
Posted by: penn_senseless Posted on: May 11th, 2009, 3:07pm
what? no coal coming off the duquesne warf from URR to B&LE north?
just limestone loads south and empties north I suppose.
Posted by: The_Bessemer_Man Posted on: May 11th, 2009, 3:41pm
Penn, and everbody else who may be interested.  Here's a link to "The Bessmer Board". http://members3.boardhost.com/Bessemer/
We've heard coal wont be back until 2010. Ashtabula has taken a lot of business. I'm not sure with what's going on a Duquesne Warf now.
Posted by: drgwsteamer Posted on: May 24th, 2009, 9:25pm
Can anyone give a brief rundown of where the online businesses are located on the B&LE?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Rob Gardner
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: May 28th, 2009, 9:20am
P&C Docks Conneaut OH
Emsco Girad PA
B&LE shops/Shenango yard Greenville PA
Mercer Lime Branchton PA
McCormicks Branchton PA
Calvin Yard Butler PA
AK Steel Butler PA
North Bessemer Yard, Union RR interchange North Bessemer PA
And several small businesses around North Bessemer that receive a few cars per year.
Posted by: The_Bessemer_Man Posted on: May 28th, 2009, 7:45pm
From North Bessemer Iron Ore & Limestone goes to United States Steel in Braddock, Pennsylvania. I'll be there this weekend   I'M SO EXCITED!
 
     Also, with that Steel Mill mentioned and NO offense to any one. What about that sayin "All the Manufacturing in America is now overseas" Hmm??
 
God Bless those hard working Americans!  
 
Oh, long live the Black & Orange!
 
Posted by: NSrailfan929 Posted on: May 28th, 2009, 9:33pm
Please forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question to anyone but i am curious. Has there been any CN locomotives on bessemer rails yet or have we managed to make it 5 years an still not one CN locomoitve??
Posted by: EMTRailfan Posted on: May 29th, 2009, 8:15am
on May 28th, 2009, 9:33pm, NSrailfan929 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
or have we managed to make it 5 years an still not one CN locomoitve??

 
Correct, although we did lose some orange.
Posted by: EMTRailfan Posted on: May 29th, 2009, 8:17am
on May 28th, 2009, 9:20am, towny72 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
P&C Docks Conneaut OH
Emsco Girad PA
B&LE shops/Shenango yard Greenville PA
Mercer Lime Branchton PA
McCormicks Branchton PA
Calvin Yard Butler PA
AK Steel Butler PA
North Bessemer Yard, Union RR interchange North Bessemer PA
And several small businesses around North Bessemer that receive a few cars per year.

 
Montgomery Trusses-Grove City?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: May 30th, 2009, 12:48pm
How could I forget Montgomery truss. Its in my stinking back yard!  Hey at that average I would be in the baseball hall of fame!
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 7th, 2015, 4:23pm
Over six years since the last post and a lot has changed on the Canadian National's Bessemer Sub.  
 
All but a few of the classic orange and black B&LE locomotives have left the system, some painted into CN colors and many working on other parts of the CN system. The tunnel motors are all of the property except the 905. The 862,867,868 remain in service working the P&C Dock.  
 
Many of the tunnel motors are now found roaming the CN system, some got the CN dip. The 866,878 are now working still in orange and black for CN in Chicago Land.  
 
ex Illinois Central SD70's are now the main line power with an CN SD40-2W and a CN SD60 round out the mix.  
 
The last days held on a lot longer then anybody would have thought, it took till the spring of 2015 for the major change to motive power to come along.  
 
Good news, coal is again moving north on the sub.
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Sep 7th, 2015, 4:28pm
The new normal on the Bessemer Sub.  
 
Illinois Central SD70's make up the majority of the road power.  
 
Here a trio bring an ore train south past an all but forgotten coal loader in Forestivlle, PA.  
 
 
 
Posted by: Lfire83 Posted on: Sep 7th, 2015, 4:44pm
In all the years I lived close to the B&LE I only ever saw one train, a light engine move at Osgood with 3 tunnel motors. It's truly sad to see what used to be the heaviest tonnage mainline in the country relegated to cobbled together foreign power arrangements and just a few trains a day. I finally bought the Morning Sun book on the B&LE a few weeks back and have been pouring over it, remembering my ghost railfanning trips from years gone by of what used to be.  
 
While it's sad to see so much of it gone, at least there's enough traffic to stave off abandonment. Great shot of the IC power.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 24th, 2018, 2:09pm
I don't see much B&LE discussion under "Fallen Flags," so here are a few of my photos.
From a May 1975 vacation with a friend, a B&LE job in the vicinity of Butler.  Engine 454 was shoving, with the caboose leading the train - like I see CSX doing these days with locals around my home.  Brakeman was probably closing the switch.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4920538
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 24th, 2018, 2:13pm
I chased after the Reading 2102 from Kent, OH to Greenville, PA on a Sunday, May 1, 1977.  B&LE let railfans wander the property - no hard hats or release required.  On the engine sidings outside the roundhouse were several SD's including 452 and 856.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4920539
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 24th, 2018, 2:14pm
Inside the Greenville roundhouse on May 1, 1977 was DM&IR 504.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4920540
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 24th, 2018, 2:16pm
The view from the west side of Conneaut harbor on July 15, 1978, you could see the engine house with some yellow P&CD F units and B&LE SD's.  Too far away to make out road numbers.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4920541
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 24th, 2018, 2:46pm
Thank you for sharing these photos.  
 
 
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 12th, 2018, 8:23pm
Made the trip to Pittsburgh between April 7 and April 11, managed to get some railfan pictures in.  It was a struggle dealing with a GPS that sent me in a loop a few times, plus dealing with traffic and potholes.  Just before I arrived, US 30 collapsed in East Pittsburgh, closing 3 of 4 highway lanes.  (Note the detour sign in photo.)  At East Pittsburgh, I sat below the Union RR trestle and managed to catch a southbound loaded coal with B&LE and a few CN hoppers.  On April 8 I caught up with an old friend, B&LE 643, in McKees Rocks.  Album on rrpicturearchives, with some other stuff not relevant to the B&LE:
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=127130
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 14th, 2018, 8:57am
After a stop at the Pittsburgh & Ohio Central, I drove up near the CSX main line.  Across the tracks, I spotted an old friend, looking good out in the open, exposed to the weather and all.