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MGtrainut
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« Reply #120 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 9:31am »
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If i remember correctly, the SW's went back to the URR several years ago?

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« Reply #121 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 4:29pm »
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MGtrainut, I saw your picture a few pages back of the train crossing the Allegheny. That's a differant angle then I'm used to looking at it. I'm normally on the turnpike bridge that is in the back ground. I remember as a youngster always wanting to see a train cross that bridge. In 43 years I have yet to see it happen. I guess if I'd just stopped to "smell the roses" I would have. I also remember a huge billboard on the west(?) side.

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« Reply #122 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 6:36pm »
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on Nov 10th, 2005, 9:31am, MGtrainut wrote:       (Click here for original message)
If i remember correctly, the SW's went back to the URR several years ago?

 
 
As I stated in a previous message, the BLE 160 and 161, went back the URR around 2 years ago.  These were URR 6 and 8 and always retained their Blue and white colors.  The BLE 150-151-152-153 came the URR only to be sent to two different locations.  The 150 and 153 now reside at the USX Clariton works.  They are both still Orange and Black, but the B&LE heralds are gone.  The 151-152 pair went the Birmingham Southern.
 
 
Attached is a picture of them at the NS interchange in 2003.
 
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« Reply #123 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 7:32pm »
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As a youngster growing up in Harmarville, I witnessed many trains crossing the Allegheny and I too want to know what ever happened to the billboard. Probably adorning someone's game room wall.  
 
on Nov 10th, 2005, 4:29pm, bigblue formerly bigred wrote:       (Click here for original message)
MGtrainut, I saw your picture a few pages back of the train crossing the Allegheny. That's a differant angle then I'm used to looking at it. I'm normally on the turnpike bridge that is in the back ground. I remember as a youngster always wanting to see a train cross that bridge. In 43 years I have yet to see it happen. I guess if I'd just stopped to "smell the roses" I would have. I also remember a huge billboard on the west(?) side.  



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« Reply #124 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 7:35pm »
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I have tomorrow off and debating whether to try Conneaut again or go south and check out Greenville. Any suggestions on when I can see any movements at Conneaut or Greenville? I gave up on the yahoo B&LE site; almost a week and no responses to my questions.

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« Reply #125 on: Nov 10th, 2005, 11:09pm »
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There is really no scheduled times on the B&LE anymore. I asked many workers and they have all told me the same, that it all depends on the Conneaut docks. If you want to be certain to see some action you might want to check out Butler, 45 minute drive from Greenville probably. You can see  B&LE 867 working the Butler Calvin yard and if your lucky you could see a southbound B&LE run as well. Or just get brock, superbirds, and the rest of the greenville train chasers phone numbers and call them constantly asking if they heard if anything is moving and chase a train from Greenville. That always works.

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« Reply #126 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 1:57pm »
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as of late ive noticed alot of moves coming through slippery rock around 9pm or later....numbers are down. a few weeks back there was at least 3 moves a night  
now just one


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« Reply #127 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:01pm »
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So I go with my gut feeling and head to Greenville not really knowing what to expect. I figure it'll at least get me familiar with the territory.  
 
Following Rte 18 south I arrive in Greenville and I guess for me being the newbie Bessemer fan, I make the traditional stop at the museum. I haven't seen this engine in over 20 years when on a trip to Lake Erie I passed by it. I was drooling then and just the same today. So I'm setting up the shot when this guy walks in front of the camera. HEY, DOWN IN FRONT!


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« Reply #128 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:08pm »
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Well, that's not what really happened.  
 
While taking shots of the engine and everything else on the grounds I got to meet one of the co-authors of the Morning Sun book, "Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad: In Color", none other than Nathan Clark himself. He just happened to be passing by and saw me photographing 604.


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« Reply #129 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:12pm »
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Standing in the brisk temps and wind, no jacket as you see, for 45 minutes he gave me an indepth report on Greenville, the shops, the High and Low lines, where to find them, where the depot and corporate offices are, good spots to shoot, the Erie line in front of us, the history of so much, he just went on and on, I was just overwhelmed by the man. His book, sorry, couldn't find any images online bigger,

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« Reply #130 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:18pm »
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So lo and behold Lee ( I think that was his name) from the museum happens to come by to open the shop. Nate takes me along with another guy who happened to stop by into the shop. We weren't there more than 5 minutes when this guy's scanner goes off;something's moving north. We dash out the door hoping to catch the train which was already passing in sight from the doorway. I was able to catch him at this crossing and also a few other places but the chase ended in Conneaut, where my journey began. Long day, tired but satisfied it ended well.  

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« Reply #131 on: Nov 11th, 2005, 5:22pm »
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...and at Conneaut, a shot from the Rte 20 bridge. The rookie got lucky today I guess but it made for a memorable day.

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« Reply #132 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 10:32am »
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Thanks Bob for the comments and info for future reference. 868 only approached the bridge/crossing from the north but never crossed it. No horns either    Maybe he didn't want to disturb the fishermen down in the river  
 
As for yesterday's movements can I assume that in general once a train arrives from the south, a relatively quick return trip south can be expected? Maybe the next time to Conneaut I'll stick around and see.
 
I did stop in Albion yesterday. A local spoke of days of old when the yard was a beehive of activity due in large to how busy the P&C dock was. How times have changed.    
 
He said due to recent vandalsim he heard that CN was going to tear down what remains of the office and old diesel shop and that most of the staging tracks were being yanked too. I could see from a distance the windows all boarded over in the office building. Truth or not?


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« Reply #133 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 10:55am »
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I would not see any reason to keep Albion Yard. Nothing is really there except MOW stuff once in a while, although I have only been there a few times.
 Trains usually stay in Conneaut for a little over an hour before they head south to Greenville. They usually do the round trip, either to Conneaut or XB, in about 6 to 7 hours.
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on the 866 deal and its not good. At 10:30 AM today, they cut it out of the consist at Shenango because of a bad air hose leak. I really hope they get it fixed and out in road service again for a few more daylight runs. It would be sad to see it sit around the shops again until it is needed at Conneaut or Butler. Keep your fingers crossed.
 Anyway, for anyone between Greenville and Butler, 905 South should be leaving here at XN real soon.


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« Reply #134 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 7:12pm »
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bigblue,  That shot was taken from the east side of the bridge, on the shore of the river.  Are u refering to the Gigantic Bessemer sign on the west side of the brige when u say billboard?  Only that one is left, i was wondering if the other side displayed one at some time?

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« Reply #135 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 8:30pm »
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No, he's referring to an actual billboard that used to adorn the hillside on the western side. It was there for the years and featured the F units hauling coal. That's going by my memory which I must admit, some of the gray cells have long been lost so correct me anyone if you can. I'd love to see that billboard again. Can't say exactly when it was taken down.

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« Reply #136 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 9:33pm »
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UPDATE

 Bessemer Cheif came over the scanner a little bit ago. Told 904 North to pick 866 back up from the boneyard cause they are gonna use it tomorrow as a lead unit. I guess they fixed the air problem pretty quick. Get your cameras out folks.


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« Reply #137 on: Nov 12th, 2005, 11:25pm »
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What time would you expect them to make the move? Is traffic any more or less on Sundays?

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« Reply #138 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 12:00pm »
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Well, 906 left Kremis at 10:45 to go south. I think it is a safe bet that 866 will leave the shops between 12 and 4 PM, but don't hold me to that. It could go south or north, but I would bet on north because there has not been a northbound yet today, but once again don't hold me to that.
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« Reply #139 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 1:03pm »
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wow great to see all the B&LE action on this forum!   About the 2001 shoving platform. I know that comes into AK steel on a daily bases. Im not sure about the weekends but for years i worked along the main just north of AK and that same cabose came through every day. Of course they also had the old 150-151 sw combo pushing. Now its 867? How many sd38's are still left in greenville?

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