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Jim_O.
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Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« on: May 26th, 2003, 1:21pm »
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Front page news in Indiana Gazette about a month ago states trains may begin running through Indiana within a year.
 
Not too many specifics, but Pendot has allocated $500,000 for upgrades to road crossings.
 
Boro officials spoke with representatives of the B&P who stated they want to begin running short trains through town beginning in mid-2004.
 
Not much else mentioned or to what kind of traffic will be moving by rail, but I believe it will probably be coal to Homer City Generating Station.


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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #1 on: May 26th, 2003, 5:36pm »
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Under what rights would B & P operate to be able to run these trains?

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train_fan
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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #2 on: May 26th, 2003, 7:39pm »
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I just put the article in the mail last night you are talking about it was in the Indiana Gazette on April 23,2003 I believe.It said that the line was not abandded,but just suspended and it as you said was to be in operation by mid 2004.I remember Jim you said in an article before about the fire dept. building a new station so they wouldn't get caught with a train across the tracks they got their ok to construct the new fire hall.I would think they would be getting started on this real soon.Also did you read the Saltsburg connection Board the STB made their decision on 05-15-2003.

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Jim_O.
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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #3 on: Sep 1st, 2003, 11:57am »
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Another article in Indiana Gazette last week stating Pendot about to begin improvements to Oakland Ave and Grant St in Indiana which includes crossing improvements.  Also mentioned B&P officials stated trains to Homer City Generating Station to begin running sometime in 2004.

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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #4 on: Sep 2nd, 2003, 10:23pm »
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Any idea about where the coal will come from? My guess is Waynesburg area mines. I also wonder if the coal is a joint CSX/B&P move whether it will be rounted through New Castle and then easward over the B&P or maybe over the P&W through Etna, though the heavy grades and tight curves might make that prohibitive? Any thoughts?

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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #5 on: Sep 3rd, 2003, 8:50am »
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I am confused about the ownership of the line from Cloe southward.  The B & P system map on the G & W website shows CSX ownership from Cloe to Homer City and NS ownership from Creekside to Shelocta.  And the P & W is shown in dark blue as far south as Marion Center as if it has some interest in this line.  Can anyone clear this up for me?
 
It would be good if this coal would come from a site on the B & P.  Are they still loading coal at Valier?
 
About 20 years ago, there was a mine opened at a place called Tanoma.  I think foreign interests were involved.  A loadout was located between Home and Marion Center.  Sidings were installed and there actually was an engine house for the loadout locomotive.
 
I guess this venture was ill timed as it closed rather quickly.  Reason given was related to a substantial downturn in the coal market.
 
There are still some vestiges of this facility.  The siding may be in place and the engine house stores farm equipment now.  It is visible on the right as you come north on 119 just past Home.
 
This facility would sure work for Shelocta and/or Homer City now.
 


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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #6 on: Sep 3rd, 2003, 10:06am »
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Did a little research this morning.  The Tanoma mine or some successor actually operated through 2000 and appears to have been shut down then.

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train_fan
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 11th, 2003, 5:53pm »
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Big front page story in the Indiana Gazette about the coal going thru Indiana in today's paper 11-11-03.Didn't get to read it yet ,but wanted to let everyone know.

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 2nd, 2004, 7:36pm »
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Page 2 of Indiana Gazette 02-02-2004 -Tunnel Vision shows a picture inside the tunnel on the Indiana Branch north of Indiana Boro.Not all big icicles grow outside.Water leaking through the roof solidified into hugh icicles inside the railroad tunnel on the Indiana Branch line just north of Indiana Borough.The line has been dormant for a decade,butofficials of the Buffalo & Pittsburgh Railroad plan to send coal trains over the line again by this summer. Where is this tunnel?I've probably been near it but didn't know.

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Jim_O.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 3rd, 2004, 12:42am »
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If you take N. 6th St out of town north this turns into Fulton Run Rd. At Martin Rd. intersection, Fulton Run Rd. crosses over tracks on a bridge. Tunnel is to the right (north).

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« Reply #10 on: Feb 3rd, 2004, 9:07am »
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Thanks for the info on the tunnel I've been on those roads many times and didn't know the tunnel was there.

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 10:01pm »
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Another front page story today in the Indiana Gazette about the train thru Indiana.It said that work trains will be going thru as early as May.

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The Rest of theStory
 
« Reply #12 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 8:02pm »
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Train Traffic to Begin as Early as May
 
By RANDY WELLS, Gazette Staff WriterFebruary 10, 2004
 
The first railroad cars to roll over the Indiana branch line in more than a
decade won't be carrying coal to the Homer City Generating Station.
Those will come later this summer.
The first trains running the rails through Indiana - perhaps as soon as May -
will be work trains, hauling materials to make the long-dormant line safer
and stronger.
"We plan on installing 30,000 new ties and 10 track-miles of new rails" on
the Indiana branch, said David Baer, vice president and chief engineer of the
Buffalo & Pittsburgh Railroad.
Punxsutawney-headquartered B&P is also making plans to repair railroad
bridges, upgrade road crossings and refurbish crossing signals and signs along
the
branch.
"A lot's churning. A lot behind the scenes is going on," said Kevin Bowser,
B&P's director of marketing.
B&P officials confirmed last November that the railroad planned to
rehabilitate the Indiana branch, a 16-mile section of rail line extending from
Creekside
through Washington, Rayne, White and Center townships and Indiana Borough and
past Homer City. David Collins, B&P president, forecast then that by this
summer a train would run along the line twice each day, seven days a week.
Traveling south, the trains will haul 40 to 50 cars of coal from the Rosebud
Mining Co. mine near Freeport to the Homer City Generating Station. About four
hours later the trains will make the return trip north, running empty.
Collins confirmed last week that on Jan. 23 B&P completed acquisition of the
Indiana branch from CSX Transportation. He also said that when the weather
breaks, "very significant" replacements of ties, rails and ballast will begin
along the line.
And Collins said that this summer remains the target for having the Indiana
branch in shape for use by trains shipping coal to the Homer City power plant.
"Our goal is to get the rehabilitation under way in mid-March at the latest,"
Baer said.
B&P now plans to make surface renewals at 28 of the about 35 road crossings
along the Indiana branch, Baer said Monday. Many of those crossings are at
rural township roads. One of the major crossings is on Route 110 on the east
side
of Creekside, just a few hundred yards from where the Indiana branch spurs off
from the Norfolk Southern Railway line that runs west to Shelocta. That
west-bound line is used to haul coal to the Keystone Generating Station.
"It's our goal to do all the crossings through the borough of Indiana," Baer
said.
In less than a mile, the Indiana branch crosses a dozen east-west streets in
Indiana.
Whatever crossing protection devices are at the crossings now will be
refurbished and will remain in use when the line opens, Bowser said. Most of the
 
crossings have the familiar cross-buck signs warning motorists that they are
about
to drive across a set of railroad tracks.
The exception will be at the crossing near Grant Street and Oakland Avenue.
There, a major rehabilitation is planned with the installation of signal lights
and gates to hold motor vehicles away from the tracks while trains pass
through.
As a safety precaution, rehabilitation work on the line near Indiana
University of Pennsylvania probably will not start until after IUP's graduation
in
May.
Bowser said B&P continues to look for other customers along the Indiana
branch who can benefit from shipping or receiving products and materials by
rail.


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cavity
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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #13 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 9:09am »
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I thought they might send the coal up the P&W but that doesn't look like it is going to happen.  Does anyone know why B&P leased the lower end of the P&W if there is no originating traffic?  They have used it once since Dec 21st, exchanging one car with the AVR.

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« Reply #14 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 10:24am »
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I love the contradiction everytime the frequency of trains is mentioned.  1st, 2 or 3 trains a week, then a train each way 7 days a week...   Guess we'll never know until it happens. I just wonder how much is just trying to prepare the locals for the inevitable onslaught etc. It'll definitely be interesting no matter what. And the possiblity of 4 trains a day between Punxy and Creekside between the B&P and NS... they'll have to build a tower or install ctc or something with all that traffic... LOL

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Re: Train traffic traffic through Indiana, PA
 
« Reply #15 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 10:53pm »
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cavity,
 
The coal for Homer City will come from a mine on P & S (now B & P) rails between  
Freeport and Kittanning a short distance fron the B & P main and it will go that way.
 
I still have a thought that B & P had to agree to watch over the P & W as some part of the compensation for getting the Creekside to Homer city lie from CSX.


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« Reply #16 on: Feb 13th, 2004, 8:07am »
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Thats what I thought too, but after looking at STB information, CSX intended to abandon the section between Bakerstown and Glenshaw.  My only thought is that B&P wanted to develop some originating traffic on this segment, but there is only 1 large warehouse and it doesn't even have a spur.  Another question is why did CSX lease this property instead of outright selling it?  Seems strange that CSX would want to worry about leases.  After listening to the Pittsburgh sub, Im hoping they reconsider this decision.  It is often very congested and has eastbounds running for a few hours, then westbounds, back and forth we go.

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« Reply #17 on: Feb 14th, 2004, 2:09am »
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When CSX took over the P&LE much of it was double track. that's long gone and now the P&W is to become a weed patch as well...

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 28th, 2004, 12:34am »
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Took a ride around the Indiana Sub from Creekside south yesterday and there are a couple spots it appears they've been weeding. Also a couple large piles of neatly stacked ties in Creekside right on the roadbed. The ties aren't new, but in good shape. 3 or 4 backhoes also there. Noticed that line from Ridge Jct to RT 110 is non existant. Also non existant in area of Ernest and the boney-pile. Interesting that in the 2 minutes I was in Creekside NS 562 showed up doing a healthy 10 mph.
 
Story in Blairsville Dispatch last week contradicted Indiana Gazette's 7 trains per week with 3 trains per week hauling 500,000 ton's of coal per year. Also mentioned that trains would pass through Indiana with a head end only speed of 10 mph, and that they're talking with Kovalchik Corp, the guy that owns all the junk in the county, with properties in Indiana and Lucerne which means they may eventually be going over the big RT 119 bridge over to Lucerne.


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« Reply #19 on: Mar 7th, 2004, 7:58pm »
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Trains will cost IUP
 
By:CHAUNCEY ROSS, Indiana Gazette Staff Writer
March 06, 2004
 
University will have to spend $150,000 on safety, education
Indiana University of Pennsylvania will spend at least $150,000 of unbudgeted
money on safety measures when a railroad cutting across the western edge of
campus is reactivated this year, the university trustees reported Friday.
The Buffalo & Pittsburgh Railroad plans to rehabilitate a long-idle, 16-mile
line and send freight trains laden with coal from Creekside to the EME Homer
City Generation power plant.
 
The trains will rumble across Oakland Avenue at Grant Street, cross Maple Street
by the tennis courts and pass IUP's walking and biking trail near the Robertshaw
Building - requiring IUP to protect its property and educate its people, said
Gealy Wallwork, chairman of the Administration and Finance committees.
 
"The university will have to absorb in excess of $150,000 for this project by
installing security fencing, signage and warning signals," Wallwork said. "This
will be a difficult fee that will be hard to swallow."
 
The amount needed is not included in the IUP budget.
 
"It is a major concern," said Edward Recesky, the vice president for finance at
the university.
 
Recesky said IUP has not decided which programs or services will have to
sacrifice the money needed for the railroad improvements. He said the cost will
be higher if the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission determines gates are
required at any of the street crossings.
 
"But the money is secondary to safety," Recesky said.
 
Wallwork said work trains could appear on the tracks in early April and loaded
coal cars will start coming through Indiana in September or October.
 
Representatives of the IUP offices of student life, engineering and
construction, highway safety and media relations have made plans for educating
the university community about the trains, using the IUP Web site, posters and
news releases.
 
Recesky said IUP has consulted other State System of Higher Education schools,
such as California University of Pennsylvania, where the communities have
trains.
 
"Through an education process, they feel that their students, faculty and staff
have really become acclimated to that train," Recesky said. "This is what we
have to do now. We have to get this education process in order."
 
 


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