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Posted by: BLE909 Posted on: Mar 17th, 2012, 2:36am
A photo was posted to trainorders today of two out of service former Owego and Hartford RS18s wearing new reporting marks.  B&H 416 and WNYP 417.  Neither look to be in very good external condition.  Anyone have any details?
Posted by: sallenparks Posted on: Mar 17th, 2012, 9:53am
Well if it's true the 1850 (CP red) never turned a wheel and needs a lot of work.The solid black 1811 was running untill she started takeing on water in places she shouldn't and that was before the flooding awhile back.They both where suppose to go to the LS for rebuilding and use on the Lehigh but that must of changed.
Posted by: smtimko Posted on: Mar 17th, 2012, 1:19pm
The original post is true and the units should move to Olean, NY for return to service work very soon.  Official reports indicate that the units are in good condition internally and electrically and return to service should not take a lot of effort.
 
Verification of which unit will become which number is unlknown at this time.
 
SMT
Posted by: roc Posted on: Mar 17th, 2012, 10:49pm
Just cheap or is there another reason WNYP is buying these 1800HP units once common on CP's granger and maritime branches?
Posted by: smtimko Posted on: Mar 18th, 2012, 12:48pm
There is a yet unannounced and still confidential project that will require additional motive power in the form of medium HP, four axle units.
 
SMT
Posted by: roc Posted on: Mar 18th, 2012, 1:21pm
Boom -- that got everyone's attention. Waiting with abated breath…
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Mar 18th, 2012, 1:35pm
Sure got my attention too! Keeping my eyes peeled on this!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 18th, 2012, 8:06pm
Oh cool... more Alco/MLW units for me to chase and photograph!  
Posted by: jbcrate Posted on: Mar 19th, 2012, 4:23pm
This reminds me that a company has moved in to the West end of the Maplevale facility, involving plastics. Three or four large silos were on the ground during the winter on Allen St., and are now set up out back, where the WNYP rail siding comes in. Possibly a new customer?
Posted by: jbcrate Posted on: Mar 19th, 2012, 4:25pm
This reminds me that a company has moved in to the West end of the Maplevale facility, involving plastics. Three or four large silos were on the ground during the winter on Allen St., and are now set up out back, where the WNYP rail siding comes in. Possibly a new customer?
Posted by: rrtasc Posted on: Mar 25th, 2012, 7:38am
B&H 416 (Rocky) sitting behind the WNYP Olean shop as we did a drive by on Friday...
Posted by: roc Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 7:34pm
Will this unit get a liquid overhaul? Photos, new or old?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 24th, 2012, 11:42am
on Apr 23rd, 2012, 7:34pm, roc wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Will this unit get a liquid overhaul? Photos, new or old?

 
Photos, old(ish)
 

 

 
Scot
Posted by: jbcrate Posted on: Apr 27th, 2012, 1:33pm
New business for an R18? The spur behind Maplevale off Allen St., Falconer has been ballasted, at least in process with "Close Clearance Markers". Trains Mag article confirms new plastic plant business on WNY&P. I assume this is the spur for that business.
JBCrate
Posted by: thebigham Posted on: May 12th, 2012, 5:30pm
Has an exMaine Coast RS11 been acquired? It was seen in transit in Ohio.
Posted by: roc Posted on: May 13th, 2012, 11:21pm
The best camera is the one in your pocket when you need one. In this case, that was an iPod touch (meh).
 
Here's a quick shot of the refurbished siding that runs behind Maplevale in Falconer.
Posted by: thebigham Posted on: May 17th, 2012, 8:13pm
on May 12th, 2012, 5:30pm, thebigham wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Has an exMaine Coast RS11 been acquired? It was seen in transit in Ohio.

 
Never mind. The RS11 is going to the Durbin & Greenbriar Valley RR.
Posted by: K4Pacific Posted on: May 22nd, 2012, 11:46am
Apparently, an RS18 is designated for the new Coopers Plain, NY shed for water train service and other needs.
Posted by: Alcofan Posted on: Jun 17th, 2012, 3:27pm
Here is a photo of Rocky in the shop getting some TLC.
Posted by: roc Posted on: Jun 18th, 2012, 11:09am
There's a recently painted RS-18 in Falconer -- what's the story with that unit?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jun 18th, 2012, 4:02pm
on Jun 18th, 2012, 11:09am, roc wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There's a recently painted RS-18 in Falconer -- what's the story with that unit?

 
paintscheme? railroad name? number?
 
Scot
Posted by: roc Posted on: Jun 18th, 2012, 6:32pm
My bad. It's a C424 — 4223. I actually (embarrassed) have a picture and it's not freshly repainted. In fact, it's been previously photographed in the same spot in Falconer -- sorry for the temporary loss of sanity.
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2671622
Posted by: thebigham Posted on: Mar 12th, 2013, 3:14pm
Does anyone have current pics of the RS-18s and where they are currently stationed?
 
THANKS
 
Chris
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 2:20pm
Interested in any updates...
Posted by: ALcocentury Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:51pm
   Just a little note on W.N.Y.&P. 424's, they were upgraded by C.P. to 425u des. rated @3000hp. Anyone have photos of B.&H. RS-18's?
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 4:34pm
I do not believe all the C424 Century's are 3000hp. There are a few that were upgraded.
Posted by: mandealco Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 4:35pm
Hi
Though this is getting off topic:  Many CP Rail C-424s received the alternators from retired M-630/636s.  this can be seen on specific units by the bulge on top of the hatch above the central air intakes.  Also the addition of a third air tank, which is used for the air start.  Normal C-424s use an electric start, but AC equipped Alco/MLWs, used an air start system, which required an extra tank.  I don't believe the C-424's equipped this way were uprated to 3000hp.  If they were, they would have needed more cooling capacity.  4223 and 4228 are the only 2 former CP C-424s on the WNYP.
Cheers
Steve
NZ
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:25pm
on Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:51pm, ALcocentury wrote:       (Click here for original message)
   Just a little note on W.N.Y.&P. 424's, they were upgraded by C.P. to 425u des. rated @3000hp.

 
I dont think that is true..
CP's last (and apparently only) designation for them was DRS-24B..which is a C424.
Here is 4223 still wearing that CP designation after she was sold by CP and had arrived on the DL:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=694734
 
The internet contains no reference to such as a critter as a CP 425u.
I dont think such a thing exists..
 
These units were C424's when built new, and now they are designated C424m after being rebuilt.
 
Scot
Posted by: Alcofan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:57pm
According to CP Rail, the following C424's were converted from DC to AC in 1994
4234, 4211, 4228, 4223, 4221, 4206, 4214, 4202,  and 4203.:
 
This should solve the mystery of the C424's.
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 11:01pm
If it was built as a C424 it's a 424, in my opinion. I you buy a Chevy 1500 truck with a v6 and swap the engine for a v8 it's still a Chevy 1500 truck.  
 
Lets get back to topic or maybe we can split this from the RS 18 units.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 24th, 2013, 5:45pm
on Mar 23rd, 2013, 11:01pm, railwatcher wrote:       (Click here for original message)
If it was built as a C424 it's a 424, in my opinion. I you buy a Chevy 1500 truck with a v6 and swap the engine for a v8 it's still a Chevy 1500 truck.  
 
Lets get back to topic or maybe we can split this from the RS 18 units.

 
That doesn't hold in the "railroad world" though..because railroads almost always give locomotives new model designations when they are rebuilt..if the differences are large enough, and internal. (external changes usually don't rate a new designation)
 
C424 becomes C424m or C424u.
SD45 becomes SD45m
SD40-2 becomes SD40-3.
GP7 becomes GP8, GP9 becomes GP10, etc..
 
there is a huge amount of variation in naming, and different railroads have given different model names to what is essentially the same rebuild! So the names are all over the map..
 
but..as railfans, we usually refer to the "rebuilt model" name as well, most of the time.
we usually call the locomotive whatever the railroad itself chooses to name it..
 
And getting back to he topic of this thread..the two units in question are not RS18's..
they are RS18u's!
 
Apparently there haven't been any new photos lately..
no one has found any online anywhere..
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 24th, 2013, 5:58pm
WNYP 417 is most likely still in CP red.
seen a month ago in Olean:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3394018
 
We know B&H 416 received a new coat of solid black, and some yellow, but at last report, no new lettering and no "finishing" of the "LAL family" black & yellow paint scheme..
 
Last known on-line photo of 416:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3279930
 
She is probably still in that state as well..
Once something happens, im sure we will know about it fairly quickly.
 
Scot
Posted by: AlcoGuy Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 1:47pm
With over 30 years as an ALCO mechanic, i can without a doubt say mandealco, you are correct as is scottychaos. Railwatcher, we are still laughing about your last post here in the shop...We ALWAYS refer to locomotives in their current configuration. Would you call a CF7 an F7? How about a GP40 with the turbo removed? These we call GP38Ms. Here on the railroad, in the real world, YOUR OPINION is the source of much laughter.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 7:33pm
OK, I think we've had enough discussion about locomotive designations. Call them RS18s or RS18us, they are the original subject of this thread. Let's stay on course and avoid the bickering, OK?
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 2:08am
AlcoGuy,  glad you got a good laugh.  I appreciated everyone's point of view and you should also.  
I like what I am blessed to see,  and for what information I can see here on these forums by those who have been educated in the world of railroading.  As I pointed out there are differences in how things are done when you travel from one facet of transportation to another.  Just please don't change the name of my beer!   You may now laugh again
 
Greg
Posted by: centercab Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 12:24pm
Does anyone know? I guess this would equate to "inside information". Reason I ask is that it's been some considerable time since they arrived and still not seen on the road. As stated earlier both had problems. Wonder if the repairs turned out to be more than expected?
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2013, 11:11am
Maybe current traffic levels do not demand the extra power Current fleet might be enough to handle the traffic so the 18s are just not a high priority at this time...  Just a guess
Posted by: sallenparks Posted on: May 10th, 2013, 5:28pm
She finally has lettering and running my dad saw the 416 on the B&H road freight the other day running long hood forward with 422 or 423 also long hood forward.
Posted by: Alcofan Posted on: May 10th, 2013, 6:29pm
BTW, The 4223 is being parted out. The carbody will be scrapped. This may already be in the works.
The Engine and Alternator will be going into one of the M636 units.
This is NOT speculation. I received this information from the WNYP.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jun 19th, 2013, 7:51pm
RS18 #416 has been spotted operating on the B&H. She apparently led the eastbound run to Painted Post today and trailed on the trip home.
 
To give credit where it's due, rf.net member K4Pacific posted this news on Facebook.
Posted by: roc Posted on: Jun 19th, 2013, 10:39pm
George Elwood posted a pair Kermit Geary Jr pics of interest:
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-w/wnyp417kga.jpg
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-w/wnyp433kga.jpg
 
Looks like 433's about to get painted and 417, alas, is looking like a carcass.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jun 20th, 2013, 2:15pm
Thanks for the new pics!  
417 looks fine to me..It has looked exactly like that for the past 15 years!
(it never operated much in Owego)
It doesnt look like parts are being removed, so its probably just waiting for its turn in the shop..
 
Various sources say 416 over on the B&H is now in full LAL colors, lettered for the B&H, and out on the road..been that way for awhile, but no photos on-line yet!
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jun 21st, 2013, 1:38pm
Not sure if this link will work if you aren't on Facebook..
but John LeBaron just posted this photo of 416:
 
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1048038_10201378658052877_1893982993_o.jpg
 
From:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/CorningNYRailfans/
 
Scot
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 21st, 2013, 10:59pm
Rocky at Dresser Rand...rsp
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 21st, 2013, 11:00pm
BH0621 west at Curtis.....rsp
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 21st, 2013, 11:09pm
BH0621 at the site of the former Campbell, NY station....rsp
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Jun 22nd, 2013, 8:01am
on Jun 21st, 2013, 1:38pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Not sure if this link will work if you aren't on Facebook..
but John LeBaron just posted this photo of 416:
 
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1048038_10201378658052877_1893982993_o.jpg
 
From:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/CorningNYRailfans/
 
Scot

John LeBaron had a couple of action videos including 416 & 424 further down the blog.   416 sure looks a lot better than when it arrived on property.  Hopeful now that 417 gets the same TLC.
Posted by: roc Posted on: Jun 22nd, 2013, 2:00pm
Here's a direct link to the clip.
 
http://www.youtube.com/embed/hioybsTph00
 
Does anyone know how to use the Flash video embed tool on this forum? Probably so simple a child can do it. Alas…
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Jun 23rd, 2013, 9:17am
My last post was from my phone, Roc.  And there was more than one to see, hence the link.
Posted by: roc Posted on: Jun 23rd, 2013, 1:45pm
Wasn't directed at you at all. Put up the link to be helpful, just 'cause.
 
It was an actual question -- does anyone know how to use you the tool? It appears to be simple, but this 30 years past his sell by child doesn't get it…
Posted by: centercab Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 9:06am
I knew sooner or later our Mr. Perry would come thru with some of his good camera work and the B&H is his specialty. Nice clear well planned shots!
Appeared to my eyes that Rocky does not stand quite as tall as his stablemate. Were the RS models made before, during or after the Century series?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 9:51am
on Jun 24th, 2013, 9:06am, centercab wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I knew sooner or later our Mr. Perry would come thru with some of his good camera work and the B&H is his specialty. Nice clear well planned shots!
Appeared to my eyes that Rocky does not stand quite as tall as his stablemate. Were the RS models made before, during or after the Century series?

 
Its not really supposed to stand as tall as a Century, because its a "smaller series"..
The Centuries were the "full size" road power, while the RS's are slightly smaller, slightly less powerful units.
 
These MLW RS18's were made in Canada from 1956 to 1968, which was slightly before, then overlapped with most of the Century series, which was made in Schenectady and Canada from 1963 to 1969, then after Alco ceased production in Schenectady in 1969, production continued in Canada until 1972. Technically a Century only gets the "M" if it was made after 1969 in Canada..If it was before 1969, a C630 (for example) was a C630 if it was made in the US or Canada..it was a "C" in both places..It became a M630 if was made after US production ceased in 1969..
 
Alco Schenectady stopped making RS-units in 1963, then only made Centuries..
(and the T6 switcher)
while MLW in Canada continued making the smaller RS-units until '68.
CN and CP must have still wanted them, probably for branch-line service..
 
Scot
Posted by: Lfire83 Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 3:43pm
Wow, 416 is drop dead gorgeous. Love the bell, it really stands out. Makes me want to take a trip out to the finger lakes...
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 8:54pm
The power of today's BH0624....rsp
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 8:56pm
As far as I know, the Erie-Lackawanna never owned or ran their own steam engines. However, this BH0624 departing Painted Post, NY, with former EL C424m 423 running long nose forward with newly B&H painted 416 (a MLW RS18u,) comes as close as I can remember. It was quite a sight, and even better to hear.  Also thanks centercab and also to you Scot for your valuable information, as usual....rsp
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 9:02pm
Speaks for itself....rsp
Posted by: railwatcher Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 9:14pm
Nice shots Richard.  I would love to get down there to visit these but your pictures have kept us up to date with the happenings on the B & H!  Thanks for sharing!
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 9:42pm
Thanks you very much, and it is indeed my pleasure.  It is a labor of love.  One needs a mission....rsp
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 10:01pm
Excellent shot, Richard.......I can almost hear them and smell that ALCo smoke from here!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: centercab Posted on: Jun 24th, 2013, 10:01pm
on Jun 24th, 2013, 9:51am, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Its not really supposed to stand as tall as a Century, because its a "smaller series"..
The Centuries were the "full size" road power, while the RS's are slightly smaller, slightly less powerful units.
 
These MLW RS18's were made in Canada from 1956 to 1968, which was slightly before, then overlapped with most of the Century series, which was made in Schenectady and Canada from 1963 to 1969, then after Alco ceased production in Schenectady in 1969, production continued in Canada until 1972. Technically a Century only gets the "M" if it was made after 1969 in Canada..If it was before 1969, a C630 (for example) was a C630 if it was made in the US or Canada..it was a "C" in both places..It became a M630 if was made after US production ceased in 1969..
 
Alco Schenectady stopped making RS-units in 1963, then only made Centuries..
(and the T6 switcher)
while MLW in Canada continued making the smaller RS-units until '68.
CN and CP must have still wanted them, probably for branch-line service..
 
Scot

Thanks for the info Scot. For some reason the RS designation did not ring a bell. I remember in ancient dieseldom the RS-3 which was road-switcher. Alco apparently retained that name thru the years.
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 25th, 2013, 9:51am
Still classic street running in Painted Post, NY.  Here is the entire scene as 416 cuts off and heads toward A Spur....rsp
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Jun 25th, 2013, 3:24pm
Great information, great photos, great to see an historic locomotive like this being given great treatment and a chance to earn some revenue.  
 
Look forward to seeing more of the 416
 
By the way do they still come into PP around 2:30-3?
Posted by: RSPerry Posted on: Jun 25th, 2013, 11:13pm
Times can vary.  Friday they came in and waited for the NS.  It was after 3:00 when BH0621 finally left Painted Post.  Yesterday BH0624 was in by 1:00 and out by 1:45. They usually are in the area in the early afternoon.  But, as I said, times vary....rsp
Posted by: thebigham Posted on: Dec 1st, 2013, 11:45pm
#417 behind the Olean enginehouse today
Posted by: towny72 Posted on: Nov 9th, 2017, 11:45pm
Getting really close to this thread not seeing action in four years!
 
With the 417 now out in shiny WNYP black and yellow and with no mention on this forum I thought it would be cool to bring this thread back up, seeing that both of the 18s made it back into revenue service.