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scottychaos
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 18th, 2012, 4:02pm »
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on Jun 18th, 2012, 11:09am, roc wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There's a recently painted RS-18 in Falconer -- what's the story with that unit?

 
paintscheme? railroad name? number?
 
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 18th, 2012, 6:32pm »
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My bad. It's a C424 — 4223. I actually (embarrassed) have a picture and it's not freshly repainted. In fact, it's been previously photographed in the same spot in Falconer -- sorry for the temporary loss of sanity.
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2671622


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« Reply #22 on: Mar 12th, 2013, 3:14pm »
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Does anyone have current pics of the RS-18s and where they are currently stationed?
 
THANKS
 
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 2:20pm »
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Interested in any updates...

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:51pm »
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   Just a little note on W.N.Y.&P. 424's, they were upgraded by C.P. to 425u des. rated @3000hp. Anyone have photos of B.&H. RS-18's?

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 4:34pm »
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I do not believe all the C424 Century's are 3000hp. There are a few that were upgraded.

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« Reply #26 on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 4:35pm »
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Hi
Though this is getting off topic:  Many CP Rail C-424s received the alternators from retired M-630/636s.  this can be seen on specific units by the bulge on top of the hatch above the central air intakes.  Also the addition of a third air tank, which is used for the air start.  Normal C-424s use an electric start, but AC equipped Alco/MLWs, used an air start system, which required an extra tank.  I don't believe the C-424's equipped this way were uprated to 3000hp.  If they were, they would have needed more cooling capacity.  4223 and 4228 are the only 2 former CP C-424s on the WNYP.
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scottychaos
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:25pm »
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on Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:51pm, ALcocentury wrote:       (Click here for original message)
   Just a little note on W.N.Y.&P. 424's, they were upgraded by C.P. to 425u des. rated @3000hp.

 
I dont think that is true..
CP's last (and apparently only) designation for them was DRS-24B..which is a C424.
Here is 4223 still wearing that CP designation after she was sold by CP and had arrived on the DL:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=694734
 
The internet contains no reference to such as a critter as a CP 425u.
I dont think such a thing exists..
 
These units were C424's when built new, and now they are designated C424m after being rebuilt.
 
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:57pm »
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According to CP Rail, the following C424's were converted from DC to AC in 1994
4234, 4211, 4228, 4223, 4221, 4206, 4214, 4202,  and 4203.:
 
This should solve the mystery of the C424's.


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« Reply #29 on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 11:01pm »
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If it was built as a C424 it's a 424, in my opinion. I you buy a Chevy 1500 truck with a v6 and swap the engine for a v8 it's still a Chevy 1500 truck.  
 
Lets get back to topic or maybe we can split this from the RS 18 units.


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« Reply #30 on: Mar 24th, 2013, 5:45pm »
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on Mar 23rd, 2013, 11:01pm, railwatcher wrote:       (Click here for original message)
If it was built as a C424 it's a 424, in my opinion. I you buy a Chevy 1500 truck with a v6 and swap the engine for a v8 it's still a Chevy 1500 truck.  
 
Lets get back to topic or maybe we can split this from the RS 18 units.

 
That doesn't hold in the "railroad world" though..because railroads almost always give locomotives new model designations when they are rebuilt..if the differences are large enough, and internal. (external changes usually don't rate a new designation)
 
C424 becomes C424m or C424u.
SD45 becomes SD45m
SD40-2 becomes SD40-3.
GP7 becomes GP8, GP9 becomes GP10, etc..
 
there is a huge amount of variation in naming, and different railroads have given different model names to what is essentially the same rebuild! So the names are all over the map..
 
but..as railfans, we usually refer to the "rebuilt model" name as well, most of the time.
we usually call the locomotive whatever the railroad itself chooses to name it..
 
And getting back to he topic of this thread..the two units in question are not RS18's..
they are RS18u's!
 
Apparently there haven't been any new photos lately..
no one has found any online anywhere..
 
Scot


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« Reply #31 on: Mar 24th, 2013, 5:58pm »
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WNYP 417 is most likely still in CP red.
seen a month ago in Olean:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3394018
 
We know B&H 416 received a new coat of solid black, and some yellow, but at last report, no new lettering and no "finishing" of the "LAL family" black & yellow paint scheme..
 
Last known on-line photo of 416:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3279930
 
She is probably still in that state as well..
Once something happens, im sure we will know about it fairly quickly.
 
Scot


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« Reply #32 on: Mar 26th, 2013, 1:47pm »
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With over 30 years as an ALCO mechanic, i can without a doubt say mandealco, you are correct as is scottychaos. Railwatcher, we are still laughing about your last post here in the shop...We ALWAYS refer to locomotives in their current configuration. Would you call a CF7 an F7? How about a GP40 with the turbo removed? These we call GP38Ms. Here on the railroad, in the real world, YOUR OPINION is the source of much laughter.

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« Reply #33 on: Mar 26th, 2013, 7:33pm »
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OK, I think we've had enough discussion about locomotive designations. Call them RS18s or RS18us, they are the original subject of this thread. Let's stay on course and avoid the bickering, OK?

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 27th, 2013, 2:08am »
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AlcoGuy,  glad you got a good laugh.  I appreciated everyone's point of view and you should also.  
I like what I am blessed to see,  and for what information I can see here on these forums by those who have been educated in the world of railroading.  As I pointed out there are differences in how things are done when you travel from one facet of transportation to another.  Just please don't change the name of my beer!   You may now laugh again
 
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 27th, 2013, 12:24pm »
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Does anyone know? I guess this would equate to "inside information". Reason I ask is that it's been some considerable time since they arrived and still not seen on the road. As stated earlier both had problems. Wonder if the repairs turned out to be more than expected?

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« Reply #36 on: Apr 7th, 2013, 11:11am »
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Maybe current traffic levels do not demand the extra power Current fleet might be enough to handle the traffic so the 18s are just not a high priority at this time...  Just a guess

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« Reply #37 on: May 10th, 2013, 5:28pm »
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She finally has lettering and running my dad saw the 416 on the B&H road freight the other day running long hood forward with 422 or 423 also long hood forward.

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« Reply #38 on: May 10th, 2013, 6:29pm »
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BTW, The 4223 is being parted out. The carbody will be scrapped. This may already be in the works.
The Engine and Alternator will be going into one of the M636 units.
This is NOT speculation. I received this information from the WNYP.


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« Reply #39 on: Jun 19th, 2013, 7:51pm »
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RS18 #416 has been spotted operating on the B&H. She apparently led the eastbound run to Painted Post today and trailed on the trip home.
 
To give credit where it's due, rf.net member K4Pacific posted this news on Facebook.


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