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Steve G.
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Where BUDD built cars?
 
« on: Feb 10th, 2007, 10:02am »
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I'm new to this topic and know mostly nothing about VIA, but I recall seeing a story in Railpace magazine last year that there was a train running in eastern Canada with a beautiful matching train of (almost?) all Budd built cars, and that new equipment was coming soon.
 
Has the Budd equipment been replaced, and where is all that equipment now?


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« Reply #1 on: Feb 10th, 2007, 3:09pm »
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The Ocean as the train is called, is for the winter only, running one set of Budd cars, with the other two trainsets (service six days a week) using the Renaissance equipment, which is rolling stock initially intended for use by BritRail through the Channel Tunnel to Brussels and Paris, except the privatization of BritRail stopped the plans in their tracks and VIA picked them up from Alstom for a pretty good deal.
 
During the summertime, the Ocean is all Renaissance equipment.
 
The Budd equipment is mostly ex CP's Canadian, but VIA did pick up some used Budd equipment from Amtrak and other carriers down in the states.  The Budd equipment is used to provide a 4th trainset for The Canadian between Vancouver and Toronto which runs year round.  VIA hasn't gotten rid of any of their rolling stock in the past few year, other than a few Budd RDC's and their LRC locomotives.
 
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 12th, 2007, 12:12am »
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To add to Jon's response, Budd passenger cars are also used on the (three times a week each) Chaleur between Montréal and Gaspé Québec, the Saguenay and Abitibi in northern Québec, and the Hudson Bay between Winnipeg and Churchill Manitoba. These are mostly ex-CP cars.
 
There are also former U.S. owned Budd cars used in the Corridor between Montréal, Toronto, and Windsor, Sarnia, and occasionally Niagara Falls.


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« Reply #3 on: Sep 25th, 2012, 4:02pm »
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I presume the Budd cars have an ultimate fatigue life that will limit their use - but as far as i know, nobody has discovered it yet. Systems wear out and have to be replaced on rebuild. The trucks need to be replaced ever so often, and they can get wrecked, but the car bodies just seem to soldier on. To the advantage of those lucky enough to own them or ride in well-maintained examples.
 
AMTRAK made a mistake in removing its "Heritage Fleet" Budd cars from service other than for overhaul and up-dating to a system standard HVAC equipment. Including the ex-Santa Fe Hi-Levels.  The claim that they (the Budd cars) couldn't be retrofitted with retention toilets is - specious.


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« Reply #4 on: Sep 25th, 2012, 8:21pm »
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Considering the clearance below the lower floor level this is possibly true, though one Hi-level car has been rebuilt to AMTK 800-series specs for use on Amtrak trains.  
 
Not sure what was done to the car to bring it up to current standards but the car that was ATSF 735 is or at least a couple years ago was fully compatible with other AMTK equipment.  The car carries the name Mesa Verde and the number 800857.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=920358
http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picAMT39935.jpg
 
Amtrak's thinking is that new is good which is contrary to the reality that Via Rail Canada has had to live with and a lot of usable, rehabilitatable cars were let-go.  Ironically the Budd-built Amfleet cars are supposedly up for replacement as well but structurally I do not know if this is truly warranted or not since older Metroliners remain in use as cab cars and the construction of the newer cars was based on the practices of the older ones.
 
Faced with an uncertain political I hope that Amtrak doesn't come to regret the day that they decided to let go of cars that could be given life-extending work, much like VIA has had to do to keep it enough cars going (ironically some coming from Amtrak no less). but then the leadership at times appears to be clueless as to what is even operated by Amtrak (recently the head publicly claimed that they operated the Rocky Mountaineer) let alone what is needed to keep enough cars running to satisfy the demands all too present on many routes.  Maybe we yet can be blessed with a former VIA leader being imported to run the operations in the states but I fear more possibly usable equipment will be cast aside before that is likely to happen.
 
Indestructible?  The one real problem that Budd cars had is their most noticeable construction trademark... the roof ribs common to so many of the cars.  Early on a number of roads had to take steps to stop leaks on otherwise fine equipment... but there is little doubt that when Budd came up with his patented designs he created a very unique and sturdy structure on wheels.
 
Long live the Budd passenger car!!!  May they outlive the most of us!!!


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« Reply #5 on: Sep 26th, 2012, 2:03pm »
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on Sep 25th, 2012, 8:21pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Considering the clearance below the lower floor level this is possibly true, though one Hi-level car has been rebuilt to AMTK 800-series specs for use on Amtrak trains.  
 
Not sure what was done to the car to bring it up to current standards but the car that was ATSF 735 is or at least a couple years ago was fully compatible with other AMTK equipment.  The car carries the name Mesa Verde and the number 800857.
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=920358
http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picAMT39935.jpg
 
Amtrak's thinking is that new is good which is contrary to the reality that Via Rail Canada has had to live with and a lot of usable, rehabilitatable cars were let-go.  Ironically the Budd-built Amfleet cars are supposedly up for replacement as well but structurally I do not know if this is truly warranted or not since older Metroliners remain in use as cab cars and the construction of the newer cars was based on the practices of the older ones.
 
Faced with an uncertain political I hope that Amtrak doesn't come to regret the day that they decided to let go of cars that could be given life-extending work, much like VIA has had to do to keep it enough cars going (ironically some coming from Amtrak no less). but then the leadership at times appears to be clueless as to what is even operated by Amtrak (recently the head publicly claimed that they operated the Rocky Mountaineer) let alone what is needed to keep enough cars running to satisfy the demands all too present on many routes.  Maybe we yet can be blessed with a former VIA leader being imported to run the operations in the states but I fear more possibly usable equipment will be cast aside before that is likely to happen.
 
Indestructible?  The one real problem that Budd cars had is their most noticeable construction trademark... the roof ribs common to so many of the cars.  Early on a number of roads had to take steps to stop leaks on otherwise fine equipment... but there is little doubt that when Budd came up with his patented designs he created a very unique and sturdy structure on wheels.
 
Long live the Budd passenger car!!!  May they outlive the most of us!!!

 
 
Well, given that the Hi-Levels had all the space originally devoted to the diesel generators and oither equipment at each end available, even if there was a problem with below the floor clearances, room was there with removal of that equipment when those cars were converted to HEP.
 
As to the other Budd cars, I suspect that there was room. After all, there are any number of PVs of budd origin that are AMTRAK-certified...
 
Those distinctive Budd roofs are corrogated, or ribbed, sheet that, shot-welded to the purlins, adds greatly to the over-alll stiffness of the car structure, and the issue of roof leaks has been long-since dealt with.


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