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Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:04pm
This thread is for discussions and pictures of locomotives that have served on Vancouver Island. Past or present and locomotives on display.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm
I've heard that two old diesel locomotives that use to work in Cumberland are now down in the United States. Does anyone know anything about these engines and where they are now? Also, are their any other diesel engines on Vancouver Island other than the SRY/E&N 119 and 110, and the Canfor Logging engines? Working or on Display? Thank you very much.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also, are their any other diesel engines on Vancouver Island other than the SRY/E&N 119 and 110, and the Canfor Logging engines? Working or on Display? Thank you very much.

 
Alberni Pacific has an ex-CPR MLW RS3, #8427, an ex-MacMillan Bloedel GE 44-tonner #11, and an ex-Comox Logging and Railway Co. Plymouth switcher # 107.
 
Catalyst Paper has 2 ex-Southern Pacific SW1500's at the Crofton Pulp Mill, numbers 1500 and 1501. Catalyst also has an ex-CN SW900 at the Elk Falls Pulp Mill in Campbell River.  
 
Pope and Talbot's Harmac Pulp Mill in Nanaimo has an ex-Rock Island EMC SW that was rebuilt to an SW900 by EMD in 1958, numbered 915.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:00pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I've heard that two old diesel locomotives that use to work in Cumberland are now down in the United States.

 
Cumberland? As in the Canadian Fuel Co./Wellington Collieries Railway? I thought they used steam power right until the end in the 1960's.  
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:13pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm, CrashNational wrote:       (Click here for original message)
an ex-MacMillan Bloedel GE 44-tonner #11, and an ex-Comox Logging and Railway Co. Plymouth switcher # 107.
 

 
Are these units diesel or gasoline engined?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:19pm
I'm sorry. I'm doing this for a friend so I phoned him up. They are steam engines. He said they worked for Wellington Colliery Railway. He said one of them was an 2-8-2 number 20. Hope this helps. Also, could someone please post pictures the Catalyst Paper engines and the Pope and Talbot's Harmac Pulp Mill engine. Thank you.
 
Balto
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:34pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:13pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Are these units diesel or gasoline engined?

 
I think(don't quote me on this) #11 is diesel and the 107 is gas-powered.
Posted by: pa_sub1 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:02pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:34pm, CrashNational wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I think(don't quote me on this) #11 is diesel and the 107 is gas-powered.

 
#11 is diesel (twin 150HP) and #107 is gas powered.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:25pm
hey balto.. take  a look  around some of the many many threads here.. Im sure you will find photos of some of  the pulp mill switchers.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:33am
Let's not forget ex CNR 2141 now steaming up the rails in Kamloops.
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:59am
lets not forget jason king steaming up the windows of his mini cooper.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:24am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:59am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
lets not forget jason king steaming up the windows of his mini cooper.

 
That's a Cooper S if you don't mind, and I wouldn't be so quick to joke about that. You were in the car with me at the time if I remember correctly...
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: APR7 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:27am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:24am, Jason King wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
That's a Cooper S if you don't mind, and I wouldn't be so quick to joke about that. You were in the car with me at the time if I remember correctly...
 
Cheers.
 
J\

 
 
OH SNAP!!11eleventy!
 
*rolls eyes*
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:27am
uhhhh...  NOT what you think, people!  we  were  railfanning in the  rain, dodging in and out of the car..    awww snap.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:57am
LOL  big time!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto
Posted by: APR7 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:24am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto

 
 
8427 will pull passengers on those occasions when the Alberni Pacific #7 is out of service. It was also used in railway logging operations several years ago.
Posted by: endivisioncrha Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 12:31pm
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto

 
 
8427 in March 27, 2007
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 8:36pm
Nice picture. Why is the engine in that orange colour paint job? Why isn't it a  CPR paint job. And personally, I think that orange looks a bit dreadful.  
 
Balto
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 9:27pm
8427 worked on the island for crown forest industries and never for cpr thats why its orange . CPR chopped the nose for better visbility when it became a yard switcher . Crown Forest  graciously donated it to the Ladysmith Society and not  CPR . When the Town of Ladysmith pulled the plug on the Ladysmith railway museum they  donated it to Alberni. My opinion is that it should remain orange and have Crown forest  on the side  because of there generosity and the history it has to the Island
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 11:18pm
on Apr 8th, 2007, 9:27pm, timberland#7 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
8427 worked on the island for crown forest industries and never for cpr thats why its orange . CPR chopped the nose for better visbility when it became a yard switcher . Crown Forest  graciously donated it to the Ladysmith Society and not  CPR . When the Town of Ladysmith pulled the plug on the Ladysmith railway museum they  donated it to Alberni. My opinion is that it should remain orange and have Crown forest  on the side  because of there generosity and the history it has to the Island

 
I remember in 1980 ish when it arrived on the island.  My dad took me to Wellcox and it was there in a line of freight fresh off the barge.  I remember thinking it was a hideous looking thing (I only knew the GP-9s and the high-nose RS3 of Crown Zellerbach's) with the chopped nose; even the Pac-Man was wrong!! (The loco is normally run long hood forward; thus the CP multi-mark was at the rear or short hood or the engine.)  Cheep Pee just chopped Pac-Man in half and dropped the short hood, and added the 2 extra windows.
I then remember seeing it in Ladysmith (1981 ish) in the B R I G H T orange scheme with Crown Zellerbach on the side.  I remember thinking it looked way better than it did in CPRail paint.  As timberland#7 has said; I also agree it should stay in the Crown Zellerbach/Forest scheme.  
I also believe that the chop-nose should also stay.  Why take away visibility on a seldom used tourist engine for cosmetic reasons?  If it was chop-nosed in 1977 then it has been chopped nosed longer than it was high-nosed!
Oh well, its not my engine.......
 
Here is a pic of how it would have looked chopped-nosed in Cheepee Rail Multi-Mark....
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 11:27pm
Here is a pic of how it would have looked chopped-nosed in Cheepee Rail Multi-Mark...
 
Man, this brings back nightmares!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 9th, 2007, 12:39am
Great pictures. So did the engine run for CPR? And if it did, culd some please tell me the years it ran for the CPR?
 
Balto
Posted by: pa_sub1 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2007, 1:47am
CPR 8427 in it's original colors.  This is the way we would like to restore the locomotive to look.  Takes time and money, neither of which we have at the moment.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/galt-stn/cproster/locomotive/8400s/cp8427.htm
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 12:27am
In turners book logging by rail page 275 is a picture of 8427 this is what I think it should look like. 8427 is the last example of the comox,crown z/forest diesel locomotives the other two unfortunatly scrapped.The group in Alberni  are a island industrial society so they  should be restoring a ISLAND LOGGING LOCOMOTIVE not a CPR locomotive that hardly spent time in BC and none on the Island. That is one reason why Ladysmith donated it to alberni so it would be looked after with respect to its heritage to VANCOUVER ISLAND other wise it might as well gone to Squamish.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 11:34am
on Apr 10th, 2007, 12:27am, timberland#7 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
In turners book logging by rail page 275 is a picture of 8427 this is what I think it should look like. 8427 is the last example of the comox,crown z/forest diesel locomotives the other two unfortunatly scrapped.The group in Alberni  are a island industrial society so they  should be restoring a ISLAND LOGGING LOCOMOTIVE not a CPR locomotive that hardly spent time in BC and none on the Island. That is one reason why Ladysmith donated it to alberni so it would be looked after with respect to its heritage to VANCOUVER ISLAND other wise it might as well gone to Squamish.

 
I am 100% in agreement.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 1:01pm
on Apr 10th, 2007, 11:34am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I am 100% in agreement.

 
Absolutely. While having the locomotive in "classic" CPR colours wouldn't be horrible, I agree with you that it should reflect it's Island colours.
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 11th, 2007, 12:23am
I've checked all the photos in the Vancouver Island Forum (their are A LOT of pictures here which is great) but I couldn't find any pictures of the Catalyst Paper's 2 ex-Southern Pacific SW1500's at the Crofton Pulp Mill and ex-CN SW900 at the Elk Falls Pulp Mill in Campbell River. Does anyone have a picture of these engines? Thank you.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2007, 10:54pm
8427 in its natural environment.  Looks MUCH better than it's original owner
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2007, 10:55pm
and another shot
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 4:08pm
Good pictures. I'm still with the old CP livery but that's just me.  
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:56pm
I have seen it both ways and I think if its to "live" on the island then I think it should reflect its island heritage.  I remember seeing it in service a few times and its not a bad scheme really.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 10:32pm
Very good point Piglet. It should reflect it's Island heritage. But since the CPR has such a big history on the island, maybe until another CPR engine comes back to the island for preservation, maybe this one could wear it's CPR colours to reflect on the CPR on the island. But, just a personal idea. On the point of CPR engines, what ever did happen to CPR 8000? And is the island still wanting CN 1070 (now SRY of BC 1204)?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 2:21am
Here is 1070 now SRY of BC 1204. In it's new livery for the SRY. On April 11, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 2:22am
1070 now SRY 1204 again.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:30pm
Nice pictures of the former CN 1070, now SRY 1204, Balto. I keep meaning to get over there to get pix myself - hopefully soon. Until then, I'll enjoy the ones you've posted. Thank you.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:49pm
the 8000 is rusting away at ogden.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:55pm
This seems like as good a place as any to post this: WCRA has announced that CP has awarded Baldwin #8000 to them. I'm not terribly surprised but I am disappointed. I still feel this locomotive belongs on Vancouver Island. Oh well, another piece of VI's railway history goes elsewhere.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:14pm
Well even though CPR 8000 has gone to Squamish, that means it has been saved. So their is still hope that maybe with some help, the WCRA will agree to send it to the island. When it does come here, I'll have to go up and get pictures of it. I live in Coquitlam. Does anyone know if any of the other 4 GMD-1's now owned by SRY of BC have any island history?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:43pm
Im afraid CP is thinking as clearly as CN these days.  If they don't want to look after their history they should maybe let those who really do want too.  Its a shame its not going home but at least its going to be closer.  Maybe if we are nice it can come for a long term visit.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:48pm
My partner just asked an interesting question.  What else island related does CP have squirreled away that is island related and should we go hunting for that?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 11:06pm
That is a very good question. I've been wondering that as well. And one thing that I keep asking for is if anyone has a list of engines that worked on VI that are still owned by CPR.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 11:28pm
I can throw my two cents in.  im pretty darn sure that  GP-38 ACs  numbered between 3000 --3020 and higher may still be  working for  CP out there somewhere.. these  were  all on the islad  and I recall seeing just about all of those numbers at  one point or another  btween vic and courtenay in the late 80s and early 90s.    The GP-35s are another question tho.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 12:00am
Really, the 3000 numbers. Sweet, I see 2 of them based out of Port Coquitlam a lot. I will have to look for pictures I've taken of them and start taking more pictures of them.
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 1:21am
on Apr 19th, 2007, 9:55pm, FSD8014 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This seems like as good a place as any to post this: WCRA has announced that CP has awarded Baldwin #8000 to them. I'm not terribly surprised but I am disappointed. I still feel this locomotive belongs on Vancouver Island. Oh well, another piece of VI's railway history goes elsewhere.

 
Im glad that they donated it to a historial association, but after visiting the WCRA today its seems like everything there is rotting away, so why wouldnt they give it to someone that would be able to restore is sooner than later?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:08am
Yah I was at the WCRA Park a few weeks back and took lots of pictures. A lot of the things there are rusting away but they do pretty well in my mind for the amount of volunteers they get to help them work on them. Anyway, maybe if we ask nicely they might send it to the island for restoration.  
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:31am
on Apr 20th, 2007, 2:08am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Yah I was at the WCRA Park a few weeks back and took lots of pictures. A lot of the things there are rusting away but they do pretty well in my mind for the amount of volunteers they get to help them work on them. Anyway, maybe if we ask nicely they might send it to the island for restoration.  

 
We can dream, we can dream....maybe we could convince them we could start a WCRAVI(West Coast Railway Association Vancouver Island) haha the names a little long though.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:39am
lol yah, or maybe call it the WCIA (West Coast Island Association) lol. And as you said, we can dream.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 9:14am
Maybe we should put our efforts into preserving what little is left. #8000 is gone and there isn't anything we can do about it. It will not come here again, period. If you want to see it you will have to visit Squamish.
In the "Canfor Logging Pics" section of this forum, CLC Fan has posted pictures of some equipment that was moved recently and is going to be scrapped. Maybe it should be saved. The two snowplows are built out of steam items; one was the tender from #111 (a Baldwin 2-6-6-2 - its the yellow one, the trucks give it away), the other was the bottom of a steam crane ( page 161 of 'Vancouver Island Railroads'). At least one of the flatcars was an equipment mover, like the ones that carried donkey engines. (What about the railcars at Ladysmith like the "Humdurgin?) It might not seem like much, but its a start. If there is ever going to be a collection on V I that is taken seriously, it has to have more than a few token items. Thats why WCRA is taken seriously and we aren't. If we can't save minor items how can we save large, important items like Canfor #113 or CP 8000?
Perhaps you can't get into saving something like the snowplows. How about the Kinsol trestle? Write letters to your MLA, or anyone who might be able to help.
After these artifacts are gone - they're gone for good. Pictures and stories are good but no replacement for the real thing. Moaning and complaining is of no value (even if I'm good at it!) because it isn't action.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:37am
Very good point FSD8014. We must get some equitment so that we can be taken seriously. I have read a bit of the strory about that snowplow? I only read that it was going to be scrapped if not saved. Wondering, how would you go about starting a group to help save this item? I wish I could do more to help save it but I live in Coquitlam on the mainland so I can't do much to help. But if a group was going to try then I would do all I could to help out. I know that a lot of the big groups in England all started with one little piece of equitment. What we could also maybe do is ask if we could start a branch of the West Coast Railway Association on Vancouver Island. Kind of like what 374 is to the WCRA. I'm just throwing ideas out here though. I would write to my MLA but I don't think they would care about saving something that's nowhere near their district.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 12:50pm
FSD8014 and Balto are very right.  The government just kicked in another 1.6 million for the Kinsol project.    The first and most straight forward thing is a work shop / covered storage area.  It would seem that the round house is touch and go with the desires of people to turn it into Steamwhistle brewing west or something.   Balto is right though, it all starts with one piece of equiptment and the show that the desire to do something is there.   Its like anything else, you need a dream and desire to build on.  Losing some of the "home built" equiptment that is still around is what started Mr. Wellburn back in the 60's on his forest museum.  I think in a lot of ways we are in the same situation for the  rest of the rail related items on the island.   The main thing needed to start is one piece of equiptment and  a place to put it and work on it/ display it.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:38pm
why not get onboard with the group in pa and try using their group to get stuff, they have the facilities. Might be taken more seriously then the rail museum with out a home.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:50pm
Hmmm. good point boxcar. Umm, just wondering, what is the group in pa and what does pa stand for? Parksville?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:04am
pa= Port Alberni
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:27am
on Apr 20th, 2007, 11:50pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hmmm. good point boxcar. Umm, just wondering, what is the group in pa and what does pa stand for? Parksville?

 
You'd have to be an Islander to know that one haha
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:31am
I feel left out. We've gotten too far into Vancouver Island code for me. lol. Yah, but that would be cool if we could save some piece of equitment and maybe see if we could store it in pa. hmmm, this gets some wheels turning.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:00am
on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:31am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I feel left out. We've gotten too far into Vancouver Island code for me. lol. Yah, but that would be cool if we could save some piece of equitment and maybe see if we could store it in pa. hmmm, this gets some wheels turning.

 
Port Alberni is the best equipped location for preservation of equipment on the Island.  Also, there are a considerable number of people here who do not have a lot of use for the WCRA on account of their (in)action with the late Dave Wilkie's photo collection.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:15am
on Apr 19th, 2007, 10:48pm, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
My partner just asked an interesting question.  What else island related does CP have squirreled away that is island related and should we go hunting for that?

 
Most of the GP-9s that were assigned to the Island are currently based in Toronto, some Winnipeg or Calgary.  I was going to do a list of old & new numbers and where they're assigned to but that's way too much work for April so I will suggest looking in the Canadian Trackside Guide.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:32am
What's up with the Dave Wilkie collection? Is there some bad blood between the island and the WCRA right now over this? Just to see if I know, the Dave Wilkie collection is a photo collection right?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 10:29am
It goes much deeper than just the Wilkie collection of photographs. A large part of their collection is a shambles of deteriorating railway equipment, I was personally offended by the state of their static collection last summer. For other people the problem is in the groups direction. Someone else can elaborate for you. There are a few (?) people severely disgruntled by this organization.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 11:23am
The place in pa is the only place on the island to do anything like this, but then there is the problem of getting the stuff there.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:43pm
Wondering. If another group was formed, where would be a good spot for it? I was thinking maybe on a stretch of old track on either the E&N or one of the old CN lines? Does anyone know of any line that still has it's rails but isn't used at all? If not, does anyone know of a abondoned line that doesn't have it's rails anymore?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 4:21pm
The only other place that would have been any good at all was the old Crown Zellerbach facilities at Ldaysmith - completely destroyed on account of bonehead municipal and provincial politicians and no longer a viable option
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 11:07pm
on Apr 21st, 2007, 4:21pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The only other place that would have been any good at all was the old Crown Zellerbach facilities at Ldaysmith - completely destroyed on account of bonehead municipal and provincial politicians and no longer a viable option

 
Not completely true.  Alot of trackage is still under all the weeds and blackberries.  The south track is still within 10' of the E&N ROW and could easily be put back in place, as well as the east siding (some of the ties are still there - probably better condition than some near Union Bay TAKE THAT CH NEWS!)
I also heard that the pit was filled in the shop, but it could potentially be refurbished.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:11am
on Apr 21st, 2007, 11:07pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Not completely true.  Alot of trackage is still under all the weeds and blackberries.  The south track is still within 10' of the E&N ROW and could easily be put back in place, as well as the east siding (some of the ties are still there - probably better condition than some near Union Bay TAKE THAT CH NEWS!)
I also heard that the pit was filled in the shop, but it could potentially be refurbished.

 
As to what is physically there/not there anymore you are completely correct, photo appreciated but not required to make your point.  The problem lies in what do you do with the businesses that have "stolen" the shop buildings.  Get rid of them and the rest is easy.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:28am
And thank you Pyronova for the picture. For me it was helpful in that I've never seen the railways on Vancouver Island. Just the round house in Esquimalt.  . But good point CP8673. What to do with the businesses that are there now. What we could do is first get the track and then get the buildings after. But first would have to be the track. Since the buildings are being used so we know they will be here for a while, the track is a bit more uncertain future. And heck, maybe if this does happen, we can talk to SRY of VI and see if we can have it put back on there system.  
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:30am
I just noticed that Pyronova's picture has a sign that syas "E&N Station". Is their still a station building there and if so, does anyone have a picture of it?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:21am
Since torch mentioned the GP-38AC's numbered 3000-3020. I caught 2 of them in Cloverdale today.
 
 
Here is 3012 at the lead of a west bound train. On April 21, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:23am
Here is 3001 behind 3012. On April 21, 2007 going through Cloverdale. So these 2 engines might have worked on VI. Does anyone have anything to clarify that they did indeed work the island.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:47am
Yes Balto.. I have  indeed seen both of those units  working on the island many times in the early 90s.. I used to live on the island. 3001 was particularily familiar! I miss those days in langford with frieght rolling throo daily... even if  it  was only in one direction one day and another direction the next. at least i could count on the times for the victoria turns. There semmed to be more irregularities in running times in the 80s..at least thats how it seemed sometimes.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:03am
please excuse the crumminess of some of these pics..wanted to git them up quick and dont have a  scanner. these are fotos of  fotos! this first one is of the engine terminal at welcox in july 1990.   number 3001 is in here but barely visible in the closest line of engines..its the fourth one.  also note the gp-35s.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:06am
here gp-35s numbers  5019 and 5012 coming though view royal near the old island hi way in 1990.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:10am
switchers in vic west yard , 1990.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 11:22am
Very nice pictures torch. They look pretty good for photos of photos.  . That's a lot of power for the E&N compared to what it is now.  . Also, does anyone know of any of the GP-35 that worked the island if any are still around the Lower Mainland? I'll have to big through my train back to see if I've got any pictures of any 5000 numbered and 3000 numbered locomotive. Also wondering, does anyone know if those 2 switchers are still around?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 11:42am
The GP-35s are history
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:50pm
Torch your shot of the GP35's in View Royal sure makes me home sick.  I grew up catching the Dayliner north from Palmer Station just to the left of that shot.  I can remember watching from View Royal as the trains went up the side of Mill hill on their way north.  
There are a lot of the former island GP 38's up here on the flat lands around Edmonton and more down in Red Deer.  I drive trucks for a living so hoping out for a picture is out of the question unfortuneatly.  I will be heading south first on my holidays in July and I will see if I can grab a shot of some of them then (first I have to find the camera as my partner straightened up my office lol).
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:32pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?

Some were sold, some converted into control cabs.  I'm not at home so I can't look up the exact details for you.  I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of the Canadian Trackside Guide, that's my source for those "what happened to them" questions
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:40pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:32pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of the Canadian Trackside Guide...

 
Balto:
 
On your railfanning trips to New West, go to Pacific Scale Rail  (6th and Carnarvon 1 block east of the court house) and get a copy!  They have free parking off Carnarvon.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:42pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:47am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Yes Balto.. I have  indeed seen both of those units  working on the island many times in the early 90s.. I used to live on the island. 3001 was particularily familiar! I miss those days in langford with frieght rolling throo daily... even if  it  was only in one direction one day and another direction the next. at least i could count on the times for the victoria turns. There semmed to be more irregularities in running times in the 80s..at least thats how it seemed sometimes.

 
They tried different approaches during the 80's - Victoria crew run to Nanaimo and back same day (separate yard crew in Vic though), Victoria and Nanaimo crews run to Hayward, Mile 38 (Koksilah), Cobble Hill, or Malahat, change trains & return home and then the Nanaimo crew down one day, switch Victoria yard and go back the next.  Don't have time to look up the years that they did each version in, but the shorter runs were a result of elimination of the Victoria yard job as a separate position.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:33pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?

I'll link you to Mountain Railway.com: http://www.mountainrailway.com/CP%205000%20Page%201.htm ( click the blue # to bring up a picture. Note: it doesn't mark any unit as scrapped but if it isn't otherwise marked as such, usually assume the worst.)
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:08pm
Thank you so much FSD8014 for the link. That is extremely helpful. With regards to the Canadian Trackside Guide. I have seen it at Pacific Scale Rail. The problem is my birthday is coming up and my family want let me buy anything. I just have to put it on my birthday list and hope I get it.  . I found some pictures I've taken over the past 1-3 years of the 3000 and 5000 numbered locomotives. I'll have those later today.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:18pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:08pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
With regards to the Canadian Trackside Guide. I have seen it at Pacific Scale Rail. The problem is my birthday is coming up and my family want let me buy anything.

 
Okay, then no more asking roster questions until after your birthday.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:34pm
. Ok, fine. lol  
Posted by: rocko59 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:37pm
#3016 GP38 was running with CPR #2816 Hudson last August in Kamloops, she had problems between there & Salmon Arm the next day & was set off in the south branch yard in Sicamous.    Russell Cadotte
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:30pm
Nice picture rocko59.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:35pm
Today I caught 3012 and 3001 again in Port Moody. Here is 3012. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:39pm
Here is 3012 heading away. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:42pm
Here is 3001 behind 3012. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:47pm
Exccellent photo, Balto!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 10:37pm
Thank you. I was so lucky I caught them. I was just sitting at the Port Moody Station when I heard them at a crossing across the bay. We drove down there. I hopped out of the car and bolted down the street as I could here the bell ringing as it came to the crossing. I was there no longer then 5 seconds when they appeared out of the bushes.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2007, 11:33am
Yeah, great catch, Balto. I've always been fascinated with that spur to Ioco.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 6:59pm
With the IoCo Spur. I remember when I was little, my brother use to play baseball right beside the tracks there. Every either Monday or Wednesday the train would go by. All the kids would run to the tracks long before the train was going to come. We would place coins on the tracks. Run back to the gane, watch the train race by blowing it's horn for the crossing. Then about five minutes after the train was gone we would go and try and fond are flat coins. Anyways, since I saw that train and remembered that they still use it. I'm going to try and see if I might be able to figure out when the train goes by. Well back to locomotive talk. I caught 3006 and 3008 in New Westminster.
 
 
Here is 3006 by the New Westminster Quay. On April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:00pm
Here is 3008 behind 3006. On April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:09pm
And a bit of a different view of them. Taken from inside the Inn at Westminster Quay. 3006 on April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:23pm
About a month ago, I caught 3809 in the BNSF yard in New Westminster. I haven't seen it since. Does anyone know where it might have gone too?
 
Here is 3809 in the BNSF yard in New Wetsminster. On March 18, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:26pm
Close up of the cab of 3809. On March 18, 2007.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 9:44am
5001 new westminster 1990
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 11:51am
Nice picture of 5001 torch!!!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 10:34pm
Here is 3003 in Port Moody. I love seeing these old GP38AC's.  . Taken on April 26, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 10:35pm
Here is 3005 still in it's E&N Green!!!!! On April 26, 2007.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 9:45am
A couple of views at Port Alberni in 1976. It was a great chance to compare old and new paint jobs (the only maroon and grey I ever saw in service). Note the station reduced to single storey and compare with the shot I posted on E&N structures yesterday and the shots elsewhere of how good it is since restoration.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 9:47am
And a close-up of 8833.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 11:17am
Unbelievable collection of pics you're posting, blackdog. Thanks a lot for the good work!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 11:53am
Great pictures!!!!! Thanks.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:05pm
I caught CP 3005 while trying to get some pictures of BNSF's barge operation on Burrard Inlet in Vancouver. It was lashed up to CP 5742, which was previously part of another CP operational division, CP Expressway.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:07pm
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Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:10pm
BNSF switching the barge over the hood of CP 3005.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:26pm
Great pics, Mike_enr. Odd lashups make for great photos!
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 7:55pm
on May 21st, 2007, 5:07pm, mike_enr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
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That building behind the 3005 is the old CN yard office. The crew is working in the CN yard.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 11:55pm
Tyler, do you know what happened to the yard office? Is it closed permanently because CP is doing all the switching now? Last night was the first time I'd noticed the "CN" missing from the front of the building.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 22nd, 2007, 1:49am
Great pictures! Its neat to see 2 locomotives with 2 different CP liverys  .
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 22nd, 2007, 11:31pm
look at  the  CP action red starting to show throo on 3005... and dig the ugly red horn.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 23rd, 2007, 12:10am
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the red. Well actually I like the red pain but why can't CP just leave this one Green. It looks soooooo good like this. We better take as many pictures of it now before more noticeable parts get painted red or worse, the whole engine  
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 1:19am
Look what showed up in Denver, CO!! Apparently bound for the San Joaquin Valley Railroad in Fresno, CA. From Locophotos.com.  
 
 
http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=55847
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 12:44pm
Wow, thanks for finding out where it's going. I guess I'm going to have to go to CA.  . I wondering where the other ENR engines went?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 1:26pm
Thanks for posting that, Tyler. There was a picture of 3870 in Denver on Cordova Station a month or so ago. Interesting that its still there. San Joaquin Valley must not need it very badly. I wonder if they'll paint it into Railtex's scheme?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 12:36am
I found a couple of pics in an old family album and figured you might like to see them.  They are from about 1963or 64 and were taken in Ladysmith.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 6:02am
I cant get enough of looking at Island logging pictures thanks for posting them.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 11:26am
on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.

The Shay and 2-6-2 #7 were on display by 1962. The chunky 2-8-2 briefly replaced the Baldwin Diesel before going on display in 1962. I'm pretty sure the Shay is #12 and your picture is interesting in that the air pump is missing, meaning it was being used for parts sometime before going on display.
All three locomotives were preserved, but none remain at Ladysmith. Excellent pictures, if you have more like that, Piglet, please post them.
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jul 6th, 2007, 1:02am
on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.

 
That's PGE #2 (ex CL&R #7) and CL&R #16, which are both in the collection of the WCRA. #16 is currently in Kamloops, but may be going back to Squamish. I guess the WCRA and KHR realized that it is going to take more $$ to restore her than they previously thought. As for PGE #2 (ex #7), the WCRA is interested in restoring it back to operational status for the railway heritage park in Squamish, as that's the last remaining PGE steam loco in existance. Good photo!
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 6th, 2007, 2:26am
I know you know this Roman, but in fairness, there are two more but they're at the bottom of Anderson and Seton Lakes respectively.  
But #2 is the one remaining on the surface, so to speak. lol.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 14th, 2007, 11:59am
GREAT pictures Piglet!!! It's nice to see an old picture of steam engines and now that they all lived. I do hope that they can get number 2 back into service. Last I heard the WCRA wanted to first restore it back to it's tank engine form. I also hope they can finally get that #16 restored. Just one last question, has anyone heard anything more about the CPR Baldwin diesel?
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Jul 14th, 2007, 8:38pm
besides WCRA getting the baldwin, i dont know much more, except i have heard, its to stay in Calgary until CP has the time to ship it out.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:39am
I'm up here in Port McNeill for a few days so I've been around taking as much train pictures that my family will let me take  . I went down to Beaver Cove and got some of #112 today (July 19, 2007). So here's the picture of it. It was porring rain while I was there. And just as we drove off......it stopped.  
 
I also went looking for old #6 in the bay but haven't found it as of yet. But I haven't given up yet  . I went to Telegraph Cove first and asked a woman at the office if she knew where it was. A second woman then came up and said "Their was a guy last year looking for that engine". They then told me to head to the logging operation office and ask them for better directions. So I did so. When I got there, their were two guys standing there. So I asked the same question. And the one guy just said "Their was a guy last year looking for that engine". Ok so they do remember us railfans up there  . Anyways, they told us how to find it. But we never did find it and anyways, by that time we had missed the tide  . But I was wondering if anyone here knows how to find it and/or have pictures of it? And another question, was it anyone here that was looking for it last year  .
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:26am
Nice pictures, Balto. Not directed at you, but: WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TRY TO SAVE 112? THE FOREST IS TAKING IT BACK. Sorry about the yelling.
I think the key to seeing #6 is low tide, and having a pretty good idea where it actually is. If you go to http://www.shaylocomotives.com/ and go to 'Surviving Shays' at the bottom of the page is a link to a pic of #6. Try to locate that area.
Edit: There is another one in deeper water is you scuba dive.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:08pm
Why doesn't some one approach the outfit in PA and send in a request through them.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:16pm
Ya, it should be saved. I went into the cab and it looking not too bad for the time it's been sitting there. Not too much rust either. Maybe someone could also save #6 at the same time  .
Posted by: preser