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Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:04pm
This thread is for discussions and pictures of locomotives that have served on Vancouver Island. Past or present and locomotives on display.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm
I've heard that two old diesel locomotives that use to work in Cumberland are now down in the United States. Does anyone know anything about these engines and where they are now? Also, are their any other diesel engines on Vancouver Island other than the SRY/E&N 119 and 110, and the Canfor Logging engines? Working or on Display? Thank you very much.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also, are their any other diesel engines on Vancouver Island other than the SRY/E&N 119 and 110, and the Canfor Logging engines? Working or on Display? Thank you very much.

 
Alberni Pacific has an ex-CPR MLW RS3, #8427, an ex-MacMillan Bloedel GE 44-tonner #11, and an ex-Comox Logging and Railway Co. Plymouth switcher # 107.
 
Catalyst Paper has 2 ex-Southern Pacific SW1500's at the Crofton Pulp Mill, numbers 1500 and 1501. Catalyst also has an ex-CN SW900 at the Elk Falls Pulp Mill in Campbell River.  
 
Pope and Talbot's Harmac Pulp Mill in Nanaimo has an ex-Rock Island EMC SW that was rebuilt to an SW900 by EMD in 1958, numbered 915.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:00pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 7:07pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I've heard that two old diesel locomotives that use to work in Cumberland are now down in the United States.

 
Cumberland? As in the Canadian Fuel Co./Wellington Collieries Railway? I thought they used steam power right until the end in the 1960's.  
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:13pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 8:59pm, CrashNational wrote:       (Click here for original message)
an ex-MacMillan Bloedel GE 44-tonner #11, and an ex-Comox Logging and Railway Co. Plymouth switcher # 107.
 

 
Are these units diesel or gasoline engined?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:19pm
I'm sorry. I'm doing this for a friend so I phoned him up. They are steam engines. He said they worked for Wellington Colliery Railway. He said one of them was an 2-8-2 number 20. Hope this helps. Also, could someone please post pictures the Catalyst Paper engines and the Pope and Talbot's Harmac Pulp Mill engine. Thank you.
 
Balto
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:34pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:13pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Are these units diesel or gasoline engined?

 
I think(don't quote me on this) #11 is diesel and the 107 is gas-powered.
Posted by: pa_sub1 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:02pm
on Apr 2nd, 2007, 10:34pm, CrashNational wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I think(don't quote me on this) #11 is diesel and the 107 is gas-powered.

 
#11 is diesel (twin 150HP) and #107 is gas powered.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 11:25pm
hey balto.. take  a look  around some of the many many threads here.. Im sure you will find photos of some of  the pulp mill switchers.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:33am
Let's not forget ex CNR 2141 now steaming up the rails in Kamloops.
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:59am
lets not forget jason king steaming up the windows of his mini cooper.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:24am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 12:59am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
lets not forget jason king steaming up the windows of his mini cooper.

 
That's a Cooper S if you don't mind, and I wouldn't be so quick to joke about that. You were in the car with me at the time if I remember correctly...
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: APR7 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:27am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:24am, Jason King wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
That's a Cooper S if you don't mind, and I wouldn't be so quick to joke about that. You were in the car with me at the time if I remember correctly...
 
Cheers.
 
J\

 
 
OH SNAP!!11eleventy!
 
*rolls eyes*
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:27am
uhhhh...  NOT what you think, people!  we  were  railfanning in the  rain, dodging in and out of the car..    awww snap.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 1:57am
LOL  big time!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto
Posted by: APR7 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:24am
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto

 
 
8427 will pull passengers on those occasions when the Alberni Pacific #7 is out of service. It was also used in railway logging operations several years ago.
Posted by: endivisioncrha Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 12:31pm
on Apr 3rd, 2007, 2:09am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does 8427 every pull passenger trains on the Alberni Pacific? And what is it painted up as? I thought i saw a picture of it painted orange?
 
Balto

 
 
8427 in March 27, 2007
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 8:36pm
Nice picture. Why is the engine in that orange colour paint job? Why isn't it a  CPR paint job. And personally, I think that orange looks a bit dreadful.  
 
Balto
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 9:27pm
8427 worked on the island for crown forest industries and never for cpr thats why its orange . CPR chopped the nose for better visbility when it became a yard switcher . Crown Forest  graciously donated it to the Ladysmith Society and not  CPR . When the Town of Ladysmith pulled the plug on the Ladysmith railway museum they  donated it to Alberni. My opinion is that it should remain orange and have Crown forest  on the side  because of there generosity and the history it has to the Island
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 11:18pm
on Apr 8th, 2007, 9:27pm, timberland#7 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
8427 worked on the island for crown forest industries and never for cpr thats why its orange . CPR chopped the nose for better visbility when it became a yard switcher . Crown Forest  graciously donated it to the Ladysmith Society and not  CPR . When the Town of Ladysmith pulled the plug on the Ladysmith railway museum they  donated it to Alberni. My opinion is that it should remain orange and have Crown forest  on the side  because of there generosity and the history it has to the Island

 
I remember in 1980 ish when it arrived on the island.  My dad took me to Wellcox and it was there in a line of freight fresh off the barge.  I remember thinking it was a hideous looking thing (I only knew the GP-9s and the high-nose RS3 of Crown Zellerbach's) with the chopped nose; even the Pac-Man was wrong!! (The loco is normally run long hood forward; thus the CP multi-mark was at the rear or short hood or the engine.)  Cheep Pee just chopped Pac-Man in half and dropped the short hood, and added the 2 extra windows.
I then remember seeing it in Ladysmith (1981 ish) in the B R I G H T orange scheme with Crown Zellerbach on the side.  I remember thinking it looked way better than it did in CPRail paint.  As timberland#7 has said; I also agree it should stay in the Crown Zellerbach/Forest scheme.  
I also believe that the chop-nose should also stay.  Why take away visibility on a seldom used tourist engine for cosmetic reasons?  If it was chop-nosed in 1977 then it has been chopped nosed longer than it was high-nosed!
Oh well, its not my engine.......
 
Here is a pic of how it would have looked chopped-nosed in Cheepee Rail Multi-Mark....
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 11:27pm
Here is a pic of how it would have looked chopped-nosed in Cheepee Rail Multi-Mark...
 
Man, this brings back nightmares!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 9th, 2007, 12:39am
Great pictures. So did the engine run for CPR? And if it did, culd some please tell me the years it ran for the CPR?
 
Balto
Posted by: pa_sub1 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2007, 1:47am
CPR 8427 in it's original colors.  This is the way we would like to restore the locomotive to look.  Takes time and money, neither of which we have at the moment.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/galt-stn/cproster/locomotive/8400s/cp8427.htm
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 12:27am
In turners book logging by rail page 275 is a picture of 8427 this is what I think it should look like. 8427 is the last example of the comox,crown z/forest diesel locomotives the other two unfortunatly scrapped.The group in Alberni  are a island industrial society so they  should be restoring a ISLAND LOGGING LOCOMOTIVE not a CPR locomotive that hardly spent time in BC and none on the Island. That is one reason why Ladysmith donated it to alberni so it would be looked after with respect to its heritage to VANCOUVER ISLAND other wise it might as well gone to Squamish.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 11:34am
on Apr 10th, 2007, 12:27am, timberland#7 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
In turners book logging by rail page 275 is a picture of 8427 this is what I think it should look like. 8427 is the last example of the comox,crown z/forest diesel locomotives the other two unfortunatly scrapped.The group in Alberni  are a island industrial society so they  should be restoring a ISLAND LOGGING LOCOMOTIVE not a CPR locomotive that hardly spent time in BC and none on the Island. That is one reason why Ladysmith donated it to alberni so it would be looked after with respect to its heritage to VANCOUVER ISLAND other wise it might as well gone to Squamish.

 
I am 100% in agreement.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Apr 10th, 2007, 1:01pm
on Apr 10th, 2007, 11:34am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I am 100% in agreement.

 
Absolutely. While having the locomotive in "classic" CPR colours wouldn't be horrible, I agree with you that it should reflect it's Island colours.
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 11th, 2007, 12:23am
I've checked all the photos in the Vancouver Island Forum (their are A LOT of pictures here which is great) but I couldn't find any pictures of the Catalyst Paper's 2 ex-Southern Pacific SW1500's at the Crofton Pulp Mill and ex-CN SW900 at the Elk Falls Pulp Mill in Campbell River. Does anyone have a picture of these engines? Thank you.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2007, 10:54pm
8427 in its natural environment.  Looks MUCH better than it's original owner
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2007, 10:55pm
and another shot
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 4:08pm
Good pictures. I'm still with the old CP livery but that's just me.  
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:56pm
I have seen it both ways and I think if its to "live" on the island then I think it should reflect its island heritage.  I remember seeing it in service a few times and its not a bad scheme really.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 10:32pm
Very good point Piglet. It should reflect it's Island heritage. But since the CPR has such a big history on the island, maybe until another CPR engine comes back to the island for preservation, maybe this one could wear it's CPR colours to reflect on the CPR on the island. But, just a personal idea. On the point of CPR engines, what ever did happen to CPR 8000? And is the island still wanting CN 1070 (now SRY of BC 1204)?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 2:21am
Here is 1070 now SRY of BC 1204. In it's new livery for the SRY. On April 11, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 2:22am
1070 now SRY 1204 again.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:30pm
Nice pictures of the former CN 1070, now SRY 1204, Balto. I keep meaning to get over there to get pix myself - hopefully soon. Until then, I'll enjoy the ones you've posted. Thank you.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:49pm
the 8000 is rusting away at ogden.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 9:55pm
This seems like as good a place as any to post this: WCRA has announced that CP has awarded Baldwin #8000 to them. I'm not terribly surprised but I am disappointed. I still feel this locomotive belongs on Vancouver Island. Oh well, another piece of VI's railway history goes elsewhere.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:14pm
Well even though CPR 8000 has gone to Squamish, that means it has been saved. So their is still hope that maybe with some help, the WCRA will agree to send it to the island. When it does come here, I'll have to go up and get pictures of it. I live in Coquitlam. Does anyone know if any of the other 4 GMD-1's now owned by SRY of BC have any island history?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:43pm
Im afraid CP is thinking as clearly as CN these days.  If they don't want to look after their history they should maybe let those who really do want too.  Its a shame its not going home but at least its going to be closer.  Maybe if we are nice it can come for a long term visit.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:48pm
My partner just asked an interesting question.  What else island related does CP have squirreled away that is island related and should we go hunting for that?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 11:06pm
That is a very good question. I've been wondering that as well. And one thing that I keep asking for is if anyone has a list of engines that worked on VI that are still owned by CPR.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 11:28pm
I can throw my two cents in.  im pretty darn sure that  GP-38 ACs  numbered between 3000 --3020 and higher may still be  working for  CP out there somewhere.. these  were  all on the islad  and I recall seeing just about all of those numbers at  one point or another  btween vic and courtenay in the late 80s and early 90s.    The GP-35s are another question tho.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 12:00am
Really, the 3000 numbers. Sweet, I see 2 of them based out of Port Coquitlam a lot. I will have to look for pictures I've taken of them and start taking more pictures of them.
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 1:21am
on Apr 19th, 2007, 9:55pm, FSD8014 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This seems like as good a place as any to post this: WCRA has announced that CP has awarded Baldwin #8000 to them. I'm not terribly surprised but I am disappointed. I still feel this locomotive belongs on Vancouver Island. Oh well, another piece of VI's railway history goes elsewhere.

 
Im glad that they donated it to a historial association, but after visiting the WCRA today its seems like everything there is rotting away, so why wouldnt they give it to someone that would be able to restore is sooner than later?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:08am
Yah I was at the WCRA Park a few weeks back and took lots of pictures. A lot of the things there are rusting away but they do pretty well in my mind for the amount of volunteers they get to help them work on them. Anyway, maybe if we ask nicely they might send it to the island for restoration.  
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:31am
on Apr 20th, 2007, 2:08am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Yah I was at the WCRA Park a few weeks back and took lots of pictures. A lot of the things there are rusting away but they do pretty well in my mind for the amount of volunteers they get to help them work on them. Anyway, maybe if we ask nicely they might send it to the island for restoration.  

 
We can dream, we can dream....maybe we could convince them we could start a WCRAVI(West Coast Railway Association Vancouver Island) haha the names a little long though.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:39am
lol yah, or maybe call it the WCIA (West Coast Island Association) lol. And as you said, we can dream.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 9:14am
Maybe we should put our efforts into preserving what little is left. #8000 is gone and there isn't anything we can do about it. It will not come here again, period. If you want to see it you will have to visit Squamish.
In the "Canfor Logging Pics" section of this forum, CLC Fan has posted pictures of some equipment that was moved recently and is going to be scrapped. Maybe it should be saved. The two snowplows are built out of steam items; one was the tender from #111 (a Baldwin 2-6-6-2 - its the yellow one, the trucks give it away), the other was the bottom of a steam crane ( page 161 of 'Vancouver Island Railroads'). At least one of the flatcars was an equipment mover, like the ones that carried donkey engines. (What about the railcars at Ladysmith like the "Humdurgin?) It might not seem like much, but its a start. If there is ever going to be a collection on V I that is taken seriously, it has to have more than a few token items. Thats why WCRA is taken seriously and we aren't. If we can't save minor items how can we save large, important items like Canfor #113 or CP 8000?
Perhaps you can't get into saving something like the snowplows. How about the Kinsol trestle? Write letters to your MLA, or anyone who might be able to help.
After these artifacts are gone - they're gone for good. Pictures and stories are good but no replacement for the real thing. Moaning and complaining is of no value (even if I'm good at it!) because it isn't action.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:37am
Very good point FSD8014. We must get some equitment so that we can be taken seriously. I have read a bit of the strory about that snowplow? I only read that it was going to be scrapped if not saved. Wondering, how would you go about starting a group to help save this item? I wish I could do more to help save it but I live in Coquitlam on the mainland so I can't do much to help. But if a group was going to try then I would do all I could to help out. I know that a lot of the big groups in England all started with one little piece of equitment. What we could also maybe do is ask if we could start a branch of the West Coast Railway Association on Vancouver Island. Kind of like what 374 is to the WCRA. I'm just throwing ideas out here though. I would write to my MLA but I don't think they would care about saving something that's nowhere near their district.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 12:50pm
FSD8014 and Balto are very right.  The government just kicked in another 1.6 million for the Kinsol project.    The first and most straight forward thing is a work shop / covered storage area.  It would seem that the round house is touch and go with the desires of people to turn it into Steamwhistle brewing west or something.   Balto is right though, it all starts with one piece of equiptment and the show that the desire to do something is there.   Its like anything else, you need a dream and desire to build on.  Losing some of the "home built" equiptment that is still around is what started Mr. Wellburn back in the 60's on his forest museum.  I think in a lot of ways we are in the same situation for the  rest of the rail related items on the island.   The main thing needed to start is one piece of equiptment and  a place to put it and work on it/ display it.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:38pm
why not get onboard with the group in pa and try using their group to get stuff, they have the facilities. Might be taken more seriously then the rail museum with out a home.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 11:50pm
Hmmm. good point boxcar. Umm, just wondering, what is the group in pa and what does pa stand for? Parksville?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:04am
pa= Port Alberni
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:27am
on Apr 20th, 2007, 11:50pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hmmm. good point boxcar. Umm, just wondering, what is the group in pa and what does pa stand for? Parksville?

 
You'd have to be an Islander to know that one haha
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:31am
I feel left out. We've gotten too far into Vancouver Island code for me. lol. Yah, but that would be cool if we could save some piece of equitment and maybe see if we could store it in pa. hmmm, this gets some wheels turning.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:00am
on Apr 21st, 2007, 12:31am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I feel left out. We've gotten too far into Vancouver Island code for me. lol. Yah, but that would be cool if we could save some piece of equitment and maybe see if we could store it in pa. hmmm, this gets some wheels turning.

 
Port Alberni is the best equipped location for preservation of equipment on the Island.  Also, there are a considerable number of people here who do not have a lot of use for the WCRA on account of their (in)action with the late Dave Wilkie's photo collection.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:15am
on Apr 19th, 2007, 10:48pm, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
My partner just asked an interesting question.  What else island related does CP have squirreled away that is island related and should we go hunting for that?

 
Most of the GP-9s that were assigned to the Island are currently based in Toronto, some Winnipeg or Calgary.  I was going to do a list of old & new numbers and where they're assigned to but that's way too much work for April so I will suggest looking in the Canadian Trackside Guide.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 1:32am
What's up with the Dave Wilkie collection? Is there some bad blood between the island and the WCRA right now over this? Just to see if I know, the Dave Wilkie collection is a photo collection right?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 10:29am
It goes much deeper than just the Wilkie collection of photographs. A large part of their collection is a shambles of deteriorating railway equipment, I was personally offended by the state of their static collection last summer. For other people the problem is in the groups direction. Someone else can elaborate for you. There are a few (?) people severely disgruntled by this organization.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 11:23am
The place in pa is the only place on the island to do anything like this, but then there is the problem of getting the stuff there.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 12:43pm
Wondering. If another group was formed, where would be a good spot for it? I was thinking maybe on a stretch of old track on either the E&N or one of the old CN lines? Does anyone know of any line that still has it's rails but isn't used at all? If not, does anyone know of a abondoned line that doesn't have it's rails anymore?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 4:21pm
The only other place that would have been any good at all was the old Crown Zellerbach facilities at Ldaysmith - completely destroyed on account of bonehead municipal and provincial politicians and no longer a viable option
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 21st, 2007, 11:07pm
on Apr 21st, 2007, 4:21pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The only other place that would have been any good at all was the old Crown Zellerbach facilities at Ldaysmith - completely destroyed on account of bonehead municipal and provincial politicians and no longer a viable option

 
Not completely true.  Alot of trackage is still under all the weeds and blackberries.  The south track is still within 10' of the E&N ROW and could easily be put back in place, as well as the east siding (some of the ties are still there - probably better condition than some near Union Bay TAKE THAT CH NEWS!)
I also heard that the pit was filled in the shop, but it could potentially be refurbished.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:11am
on Apr 21st, 2007, 11:07pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Not completely true.  Alot of trackage is still under all the weeds and blackberries.  The south track is still within 10' of the E&N ROW and could easily be put back in place, as well as the east siding (some of the ties are still there - probably better condition than some near Union Bay TAKE THAT CH NEWS!)
I also heard that the pit was filled in the shop, but it could potentially be refurbished.

 
As to what is physically there/not there anymore you are completely correct, photo appreciated but not required to make your point.  The problem lies in what do you do with the businesses that have "stolen" the shop buildings.  Get rid of them and the rest is easy.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:28am
And thank you Pyronova for the picture. For me it was helpful in that I've never seen the railways on Vancouver Island. Just the round house in Esquimalt.  . But good point CP8673. What to do with the businesses that are there now. What we could do is first get the track and then get the buildings after. But first would have to be the track. Since the buildings are being used so we know they will be here for a while, the track is a bit more uncertain future. And heck, maybe if this does happen, we can talk to SRY of VI and see if we can have it put back on there system.  
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:30am
I just noticed that Pyronova's picture has a sign that syas "E&N Station". Is their still a station building there and if so, does anyone have a picture of it?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:21am
Since torch mentioned the GP-38AC's numbered 3000-3020. I caught 2 of them in Cloverdale today.
 
 
Here is 3012 at the lead of a west bound train. On April 21, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:23am
Here is 3001 behind 3012. On April 21, 2007 going through Cloverdale. So these 2 engines might have worked on VI. Does anyone have anything to clarify that they did indeed work the island.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:47am
Yes Balto.. I have  indeed seen both of those units  working on the island many times in the early 90s.. I used to live on the island. 3001 was particularily familiar! I miss those days in langford with frieght rolling throo daily... even if  it  was only in one direction one day and another direction the next. at least i could count on the times for the victoria turns. There semmed to be more irregularities in running times in the 80s..at least thats how it seemed sometimes.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:03am
please excuse the crumminess of some of these pics..wanted to git them up quick and dont have a  scanner. these are fotos of  fotos! this first one is of the engine terminal at welcox in july 1990.   number 3001 is in here but barely visible in the closest line of engines..its the fourth one.  also note the gp-35s.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:06am
here gp-35s numbers  5019 and 5012 coming though view royal near the old island hi way in 1990.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 8:10am
switchers in vic west yard , 1990.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 11:22am
Very nice pictures torch. They look pretty good for photos of photos.  . That's a lot of power for the E&N compared to what it is now.  . Also, does anyone know of any of the GP-35 that worked the island if any are still around the Lower Mainland? I'll have to big through my train back to see if I've got any pictures of any 5000 numbered and 3000 numbered locomotive. Also wondering, does anyone know if those 2 switchers are still around?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 11:42am
The GP-35s are history
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:50pm
Torch your shot of the GP35's in View Royal sure makes me home sick.  I grew up catching the Dayliner north from Palmer Station just to the left of that shot.  I can remember watching from View Royal as the trains went up the side of Mill hill on their way north.  
There are a lot of the former island GP 38's up here on the flat lands around Edmonton and more down in Red Deer.  I drive trucks for a living so hoping out for a picture is out of the question unfortuneatly.  I will be heading south first on my holidays in July and I will see if I can grab a shot of some of them then (first I have to find the camera as my partner straightened up my office lol).
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:32pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?

Some were sold, some converted into control cabs.  I'm not at home so I can't look up the exact details for you.  I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of the Canadian Trackside Guide, that's my source for those "what happened to them" questions
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:40pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:32pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of the Canadian Trackside Guide...

 
Balto:
 
On your railfanning trips to New West, go to Pacific Scale Rail  (6th and Carnarvon 1 block east of the court house) and get a copy!  They have free parking off Carnarvon.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:42pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:47am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Yes Balto.. I have  indeed seen both of those units  working on the island many times in the early 90s.. I used to live on the island. 3001 was particularily familiar! I miss those days in langford with frieght rolling throo daily... even if  it  was only in one direction one day and another direction the next. at least i could count on the times for the victoria turns. There semmed to be more irregularities in running times in the 80s..at least thats how it seemed sometimes.

 
They tried different approaches during the 80's - Victoria crew run to Nanaimo and back same day (separate yard crew in Vic though), Victoria and Nanaimo crews run to Hayward, Mile 38 (Koksilah), Cobble Hill, or Malahat, change trains & return home and then the Nanaimo crew down one day, switch Victoria yard and go back the next.  Don't have time to look up the years that they did each version in, but the shorter runs were a result of elimination of the Victoria yard job as a separate position.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 2:33pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:03pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How long has it been? I say 2 of them 2 years ago. Do you know of they were resold to another company or if they got the cutters torch?

I'll link you to Mountain Railway.com: http://www.mountainrailway.com/CP%205000%20Page%201.htm ( click the blue # to bring up a picture. Note: it doesn't mark any unit as scrapped but if it isn't otherwise marked as such, usually assume the worst.)
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:08pm
Thank you so much FSD8014 for the link. That is extremely helpful. With regards to the Canadian Trackside Guide. I have seen it at Pacific Scale Rail. The problem is my birthday is coming up and my family want let me buy anything. I just have to put it on my birthday list and hope I get it.  . I found some pictures I've taken over the past 1-3 years of the 3000 and 5000 numbered locomotives. I'll have those later today.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:18pm
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:08pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
With regards to the Canadian Trackside Guide. I have seen it at Pacific Scale Rail. The problem is my birthday is coming up and my family want let me buy anything.

 
Okay, then no more asking roster questions until after your birthday.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 5:34pm
. Ok, fine. lol  
Posted by: rocko59 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:37pm
#3016 GP38 was running with CPR #2816 Hudson last August in Kamloops, she had problems between there & Salmon Arm the next day & was set off in the south branch yard in Sicamous.    Russell Cadotte
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:30pm
Nice picture rocko59.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:35pm
Today I caught 3012 and 3001 again in Port Moody. Here is 3012. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:39pm
Here is 3012 heading away. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:42pm
Here is 3001 behind 3012. On April 22, 2007.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:47pm
Exccellent photo, Balto!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 10:37pm
Thank you. I was so lucky I caught them. I was just sitting at the Port Moody Station when I heard them at a crossing across the bay. We drove down there. I hopped out of the car and bolted down the street as I could here the bell ringing as it came to the crossing. I was there no longer then 5 seconds when they appeared out of the bushes.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2007, 11:33am
Yeah, great catch, Balto. I've always been fascinated with that spur to Ioco.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 6:59pm
With the IoCo Spur. I remember when I was little, my brother use to play baseball right beside the tracks there. Every either Monday or Wednesday the train would go by. All the kids would run to the tracks long before the train was going to come. We would place coins on the tracks. Run back to the gane, watch the train race by blowing it's horn for the crossing. Then about five minutes after the train was gone we would go and try and fond are flat coins. Anyways, since I saw that train and remembered that they still use it. I'm going to try and see if I might be able to figure out when the train goes by. Well back to locomotive talk. I caught 3006 and 3008 in New Westminster.
 
 
Here is 3006 by the New Westminster Quay. On April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:00pm
Here is 3008 behind 3006. On April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:09pm
And a bit of a different view of them. Taken from inside the Inn at Westminster Quay. 3006 on April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:23pm
About a month ago, I caught 3809 in the BNSF yard in New Westminster. I haven't seen it since. Does anyone know where it might have gone too?
 
Here is 3809 in the BNSF yard in New Wetsminster. On March 18, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 25th, 2007, 7:26pm
Close up of the cab of 3809. On March 18, 2007.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 9:44am
5001 new westminster 1990
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 11:51am
Nice picture of 5001 torch!!!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 10:34pm
Here is 3003 in Port Moody. I love seeing these old GP38AC's.  . Taken on April 26, 2007.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 26th, 2007, 10:35pm
Here is 3005 still in it's E&N Green!!!!! On April 26, 2007.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 9:45am
A couple of views at Port Alberni in 1976. It was a great chance to compare old and new paint jobs (the only maroon and grey I ever saw in service). Note the station reduced to single storey and compare with the shot I posted on E&N structures yesterday and the shots elsewhere of how good it is since restoration.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 9:47am
And a close-up of 8833.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 11:17am
Unbelievable collection of pics you're posting, blackdog. Thanks a lot for the good work!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 11:53am
Great pictures!!!!! Thanks.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:05pm
I caught CP 3005 while trying to get some pictures of BNSF's barge operation on Burrard Inlet in Vancouver. It was lashed up to CP 5742, which was previously part of another CP operational division, CP Expressway.
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Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:10pm
BNSF switching the barge over the hood of CP 3005.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 5:26pm
Great pics, Mike_enr. Odd lashups make for great photos!
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 7:55pm
on May 21st, 2007, 5:07pm, mike_enr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
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That building behind the 3005 is the old CN yard office. The crew is working in the CN yard.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 21st, 2007, 11:55pm
Tyler, do you know what happened to the yard office? Is it closed permanently because CP is doing all the switching now? Last night was the first time I'd noticed the "CN" missing from the front of the building.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 22nd, 2007, 1:49am
Great pictures! Its neat to see 2 locomotives with 2 different CP liverys  .
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 22nd, 2007, 11:31pm
look at  the  CP action red starting to show throo on 3005... and dig the ugly red horn.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 23rd, 2007, 12:10am
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the red. Well actually I like the red pain but why can't CP just leave this one Green. It looks soooooo good like this. We better take as many pictures of it now before more noticeable parts get painted red or worse, the whole engine  
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 1:19am
Look what showed up in Denver, CO!! Apparently bound for the San Joaquin Valley Railroad in Fresno, CA. From Locophotos.com.  
 
 
http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=55847
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 12:44pm
Wow, thanks for finding out where it's going. I guess I'm going to have to go to CA.  . I wondering where the other ENR engines went?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: May 27th, 2007, 1:26pm
Thanks for posting that, Tyler. There was a picture of 3870 in Denver on Cordova Station a month or so ago. Interesting that its still there. San Joaquin Valley must not need it very badly. I wonder if they'll paint it into Railtex's scheme?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 12:36am
I found a couple of pics in an old family album and figured you might like to see them.  They are from about 1963or 64 and were taken in Ladysmith.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 6:02am
I cant get enough of looking at Island logging pictures thanks for posting them.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 5th, 2007, 11:26am
on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.

The Shay and 2-6-2 #7 were on display by 1962. The chunky 2-8-2 briefly replaced the Baldwin Diesel before going on display in 1962. I'm pretty sure the Shay is #12 and your picture is interesting in that the air pump is missing, meaning it was being used for parts sometime before going on display.
All three locomotives were preserved, but none remain at Ladysmith. Excellent pictures, if you have more like that, Piglet, please post them.
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jul 6th, 2007, 1:02am
on Jul 5th, 2007, 12:39am, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The more I look at them the more I think they maybe older then that.

 
That's PGE #2 (ex CL&R #7) and CL&R #16, which are both in the collection of the WCRA. #16 is currently in Kamloops, but may be going back to Squamish. I guess the WCRA and KHR realized that it is going to take more $$ to restore her than they previously thought. As for PGE #2 (ex #7), the WCRA is interested in restoring it back to operational status for the railway heritage park in Squamish, as that's the last remaining PGE steam loco in existance. Good photo!
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 6th, 2007, 2:26am
I know you know this Roman, but in fairness, there are two more but they're at the bottom of Anderson and Seton Lakes respectively.  
But #2 is the one remaining on the surface, so to speak. lol.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 14th, 2007, 11:59am
GREAT pictures Piglet!!! It's nice to see an old picture of steam engines and now that they all lived. I do hope that they can get number 2 back into service. Last I heard the WCRA wanted to first restore it back to it's tank engine form. I also hope they can finally get that #16 restored. Just one last question, has anyone heard anything more about the CPR Baldwin diesel?
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Jul 14th, 2007, 8:38pm
besides WCRA getting the baldwin, i dont know much more, except i have heard, its to stay in Calgary until CP has the time to ship it out.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:39am
I'm up here in Port McNeill for a few days so I've been around taking as much train pictures that my family will let me take  . I went down to Beaver Cove and got some of #112 today (July 19, 2007). So here's the picture of it. It was porring rain while I was there. And just as we drove off......it stopped.  
 
I also went looking for old #6 in the bay but haven't found it as of yet. But I haven't given up yet  . I went to Telegraph Cove first and asked a woman at the office if she knew where it was. A second woman then came up and said "Their was a guy last year looking for that engine". They then told me to head to the logging operation office and ask them for better directions. So I did so. When I got there, their were two guys standing there. So I asked the same question. And the one guy just said "Their was a guy last year looking for that engine". Ok so they do remember us railfans up there  . Anyways, they told us how to find it. But we never did find it and anyways, by that time we had missed the tide  . But I was wondering if anyone here knows how to find it and/or have pictures of it? And another question, was it anyone here that was looking for it last year  .
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:26am
Nice pictures, Balto. Not directed at you, but: WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TRY TO SAVE 112? THE FOREST IS TAKING IT BACK. Sorry about the yelling.
I think the key to seeing #6 is low tide, and having a pretty good idea where it actually is. If you go to http://www.shaylocomotives.com/ and go to 'Surviving Shays' at the bottom of the page is a link to a pic of #6. Try to locate that area.
Edit: There is another one in deeper water is you scuba dive.
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:08pm
Why doesn't some one approach the outfit in PA and send in a request through them.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:16pm
Ya, it should be saved. I went into the cab and it looking not too bad for the time it's been sitting there. Not too much rust either. Maybe someone could also save #6 at the same time  .
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 5:25pm
Regarding Shay #6, it's pretty easy to find. Once you pass the dryland sort and #112 on display, head up the hill towards Telegraph Cove. Where the main road starts to turn to the right, there's a dirt road that goes off to the left and down to the beach. Turn off on this road and head down to the beach. Soon you'll get to a bunch of cabins. Park somewhere near the cabins and walk along the beach. The Shay is being used as an anchor for one of the warves. But, check your tide tables and be there when the tide is low. Attached is a pic I took 3 years ago of Shay #6. I also heard a rumour that there is a steam engine abandoned in the bush somewhere in the Englewood area, however it may just be a steam donkey and not a locomotive. I tried loooking for it but found a bunch of old trestles instead.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 2:39am
I FOUND IT, sorry about the yelling, very happy   . Thank you for all your help and the directions. I wish I could have read them earlier, we were out there looking for it between 11:00am-12:00pm. I went to Telegraph Cove yesterday looking for it so I got the tide table. I went to the office there and spent about 15min to the guy about the engine and all there steam engines. He was very kind. All the workers we saw around there all seem kind and didn't mind us around there looking for the engine. When me and my dad found it on the beach the tide was a ways out so I went up and touched the engine. hehehe, sorry, I'm only 15 so still a kid and can still get away with some kidish things  . lol, my dad thought it was a huge steam engine like 113 so he was a bit disapointed but he was also happy that we found it and soon got over it's size. But along the beach there, there was quite a bit of old railway stuff, tracks, what looked like wheels and the shay's old truck (or a barge can't tell  ). Here's my picture of it. Taken on July 20, 2007.
 
On a different note: I find it ironic with 112. The engine was built for the company to cut down the forest and now as FSD8014 put it, "The Forest Is Taking It Back". Kind of creepy and ironic at the same time to me.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 2:48am
On are way home, we stopped off in Courtenay and I got some pictures of CL&RC #2 down there too. The engine is by the looks of it in great condition. I couldn't see any rust on her. The only problem was trying to get a good picture of the full engine  . Hope you guys don't mind this shot.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 2:56am
And since we went through Qualicum, we might as well stop to see #4. Couldn't resist  . It also looks in good condition too.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 3:01am
And so that we can remember the good old days of 112. The man in the office let me take a picture of a picture on the wall with 112 in full steam. Too bad those days are gone.......for now  . One question, does anyone know what engine that is behind her? Sorry but I'm not sure on what year the original picture is from.
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 3:18am
on Jul 21st, 2007, 3:01am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
One question, does anyone know what engine that is behind her? Sorry but I'm not sure on what year the original picture is from.

 
It's a Climax locomotive and is evident from the position of the cylinders but can't see a number to identify that particular engine. Since the two Climaxes in Duncan are the only ones left in Canada, the one in the picture has been scrapped. If you want to see a photo of how #112 looked like when it was brand new check out this page on one of my websites:
http://members.shaw.ca/SteamLoco113/112.htm
Scroll down the page and there's a thumbnailed photo of the manufacturer's photo of #112.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 10:16am
on Jul 21st, 2007, 3:01am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
And so that we can remember the good old days of 112. The man in the office let me take a picture of a picture on the wall with 112 in full steam. Too bad those days are gone.......for now  . One question, does anyone know what engine that is behind her? Sorry but I'm not sure on what year the original picture is from.

The Climax in the background looks to be a three-truck machine. Canfor only rostered three Climaxes, so this'll get you a bit closer to the answer. There is an all time roster for Canfor on page 236 of 'Logging by Rail' by Robert D Turner.  
Canfor's Climaxes were #7, a 45 ton two truck unit. This was converted at Nimpkish to Diesel #252, which was scrapped in 1973.
Three truck Climaxes #101 & 102 were both scrapped in 1959. There is a picture of 101 on page 233. Your picture really looks like 101. If you go to http://www.gearedsteam.com/climax/images_no.htm you'll find a picture of Nanaimo Timber #1 (which later became CFP 102) which uses a later style of cylinder, among other things. The Climax is probably #101.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 1:20pm
Thank you guys for all the information. Preservedsteambc, those are great websites. And truthfully, the one web site is where I first read about the story of #6  . FSD8014, thanks for the link. On that website, I think I found another picture of 101 and 7. Here's a link to another part of the website http://www.gearedsteam.com/climax/images_Ca-Ce.htm . Their under "Canadian Forest Products". Thank you guys for all your help with all these steam engines. I can't wait to go to PA (ha, I now know what that is  ).
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 1:42pm
Your one ahead of me Balto.  I have always wanted to go find that shay in the water but my ex didn't want to "waste" the time.  I will have to follow your excellent directions next time we are out on the island as my partner and I are both up for the explore.  
I really need to get a waterproof case for one of my cameras so I can strap the tanks on and go looking for the other engine that is a little farther off shore.  I might as well put 25+ years of scuba to work lol.  Maybe after next spring if all goes well.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 2:25pm
Thanks, you can actually see the engine from the road. If your driving towards Teleagraph Cove, just get who evers not driving (key word is not, we don't want you to drive off the cliff   ) to look out towards the water. You'll see for a split second on the beach the engines. preservedsteambc derections are really great. I did it a little different. I got there while they were still working so we couldn't go into the sort yard. But what we did was when you get to the bottum of the dirt hill and to the second sort yard, one road goes into the yard and another goes back up the hill to the main road. Along the up to the main road was a lot of the workers trucks so we just parted with them. Then me and my dad walked down and there was a truck scale at the entrance to the yard. We went up to the scale building and told the guy what we were looking for. He told us, so that we didn't have to go into the sort yard, that there was a little goat trail on the other side of the scale, just go down it and it takes you to the road. To find the goat trail, it's above an out house and ends beside the out house (about a 10 foot climb, not that bad though). Then we just walked down the road that preservedsteambc mentioned and across the beach. There is a fair bit of old railway stuff (rails, what looks like Shay #6's truck, etc) You'll hop over a little creek (not that bad either), over 1 or 2 dock paths (also not the bad) and then you'll come to the engine. If you want to take the easy way to it though (which is the way we too back) just follow the road all the way to the dock its anchored too, walk down the path and then jump off it (about a 1-2 foot drop) onto the beach infront of the engine. Also, this is what we did and I highly recommend it. Go to Telegraph Cove the day before and get a Tide Table, then go to the logging company office (right by 112) and talked to them more about it. Then go looking for the second sort yard. What we did is after we found the second sort yard and the road we needed, we left and came back the next day at the tides lowest point. All together it took us about 2 hours to find the engine. If you go when the tide is at it's lowest point then you will get really good pictures of the engine. What really helped us find the engine as well was by looking at mine and preservedsteambc pictures, you'll see the boat with a red stripe and tarp on it, that boat is what also helped us find it. It seems to never leave the dock.
 
That would be so great if you could go diving for the other engine. And even better if you could take pictures of it. One thing I wonder, how would you find the engine in the bay? Would you just keep diving around looking for it or would you do something else to find it then dive? Anyways, I hope this information helps you find the engine and the best of luck with finding it. Now onto my next adventure, seeing if Abernathy and Lougheed Logging Co. #11 is still around and really in Maple Ridge......... .
 
Also, I'll post a picture of the whole beach for you so you can get a taste of what your going up against. You can see the engine in the center of the picture across the beach. In the picture, it's looks just like a big log but that's in near the house with smoke coming from it's chimney. Also, too me, the thing half in the water and half on the beach by the big green box on the beach looks a bit like a Shay's Truck (or tender) to me. Anyone else? Or is just an old barge?
wow, big post  .
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 4:26pm
If anyone else goes looking for the Shay, check out the lagoon to the left of the dryland sort at low tide. This is where I first went looking for Shay #6, but instead I found Shay parts like axles and gears that Canfor used as anchors. I took some photos of the stuff I found. I'll have a look for those photos and maybe post some here.
 
Also, on a side note, I haven't updated my website since last year but am working on an update. This will probably be the last time I will update it using Frontpage - I want to rebuild it using Dreamweaver. Also, I'll be taking the abandoned locomotives off and giving them their own website.
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 4:02pm
Great pictures, guys. Good to see younger railfans taking such an interest in steam, too. I also went to Beaver Cove when I was over in June. Took some shots of 112. It's in a terrible state but but its more complete than some of the British locos that came out of the Barry scrapyard and are now running on preserved lines. What people build, people can re-build....
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 4:05pm
and another...
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 4:11pm
and finally....
Couldn't resist the garden growing around the domes.
By the way, what happened about the GMD-1 project. I offered some cash towards the purchase but never heard whether it was successful? Anyone know?
CHRIS
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 4:36pm
SRY bought the GMD-1 that the E&N Div. was trying to raise money to buy. Still after CN to get the 1423, but CN is proving hard to deal with.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 24th, 2007, 1:04am
Hi, Chris.  
If you're referring to the CN locomotive sale earlier this year, Tyler is quite right. CN was far harder to deal with than expected. They wanted a huge amount for the GMD-1 that had been on a dead line for years (Glenn estimated somewhere above 100K). Towards the end of the sale, CN withdrew 1063 ( & 5000 ) for display anyways. We ended up with nothing.
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 5:43pm
Can anyone help with the numbers of GP35s that ran on the island? I have tracked down 5012 and 5019 on this thread. I've just got a Bachmann model of 5003 and want to know if I need to renumber it.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 10:25pm
new west ...1989.  Saw this unit  throo langford  a few times! I used to drool over the two cp  geep 30s.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 12:21pm
on Nov 20th, 2007, 5:43pm, blackdog wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Can anyone help with the numbers of GP35s that ran on the island? I have tracked down 5012 and 5019 on this thread. I've just got a Bachmann model of 5003 and want to know if I need to renumber it.

 
I don't recall ever seeing 5003 over here.  Could have happened but I doubt it
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 1:58pm
5002, 5005,  5007, 5009, 5017, 5020, 5022, 5023, 5024 I have seen pictures of...in addition to what you already know...I'll see if I can recall photos of any others.  
 
 
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 2:02pm
on Nov 20th, 2007, 10:25pm, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
new west ...1989.  Saw this unit  throo langford  a few times! I used to drool over the two cp  geep 30s.

 
 
Spent some time climbing around and checking out 5000 at the Edmonton Museum several weeks ago...pretty much intact, and in decent shape, prime mover has had some things robbed from it, and many of the crankcase inspection covers are missing, no doubt this happened while sitting up north.
 
Their plans at the museum for it are as trade material..they obtained it specifically to trade to someone for something that fits their plans (NAR, CN)..but at least it is safe.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 10:02pm
on Nov 21st, 2007, 1:58pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
5002, 5005,  5007, 5009, 5017, 5020, 5022, 5023, 5024 I have seen pictures of...in addition to what you already know...I'll see if I can recall photos of any others.  
 
 

 
 
Awww....none of the Atlas N-scale numbers are on your list...5011, 5016, 5019.
 
Anyone have a pic of any of these three on the island?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2007, 10:58am
Add 5015 to the list - found a clearance in my collection with that number but can't add anything else to the list
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2007, 5:32pm
Thanks for the list. Looks like I'll need to renumber it.
CHRIS
Posted by: CN7303 Posted on: Dec 8th, 2007, 8:29pm
Can anyone find out, or does anyone know which CP switchers in the 6700 series worked on the island? I Just bought a Proto 2000 SW8 #6705, and it would be nice to know if it worked on the island. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Dec 8th, 2007, 9:04pm
#6713 did, I have a couple pictures of it, as did #6702 and 6718.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 8th, 2007, 10:01pm
I don't recall ever seeing 6705 here.  The EMD switchers didn't start to show up until the Baldwin and MLW switchers were retired in the early 80's.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 11th, 2007, 9:36pm
Came across this one in my collection. 1980 or 1981
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Dec 12th, 2007, 2:21am
Nice picture of an old Baldwin! Just throwing out a guess here but is that Victoria?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 12th, 2007, 3:15am
Yes, this is Victoria Yard, 7072 was the switcher in Victoria for a few years, I understand it was also used when there were cars that  were going to Crofton once the Baldwin's were replaced with GP 9's as they were to heavy. I have a picture of it in a frieght heading North at Niagara trestle I will try and find. Anyone have a picture of it on the Crofton spur.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Dec 13th, 2007, 2:40am
on Dec 13th, 2007, 12:40am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Those Baldwins are classics.  What I am trying to figure out is what kind of railcar its moving in that picture.  It almost looks like a flat car filled with wheel sets.

 
Hmm.... is it maybe some sort of logging car?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 13th, 2007, 8:21am
It is not a logging car
 
a)Log traffic had ceased by the time I took this pic.  
 
b)Logs were not (I was tempted to say never, but I don't know about way back when) hauled to Victoria by rail at this time.
 
c)In the early 80's, they hadn't ripped out the yard tracks yet.  The "coachyard" was not used for revenue shipments at the time.  So I'd say that the car contained something for M of W or something for the shops
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Dec 13th, 2007, 3:02pm
6701 was brought to Victoria in 1981(and was there for years) from what I know..prob to replace 7070/7072....does anyone know what year the Baldwins left the Island for good?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Dec 16th, 2007, 12:57am
I'm not sure of it but would the last Baldwin's have left the island back in 1982? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I was looking at pictures of Montana Rail Link engines and look at the picture I found of 110 and 119.
 
110 back in 1992:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=19850
 
119 back in sometime when.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mrl/mrl119.jpg
 
I didn't know all of SRY's GP9's came from Montana. Guess you do learn something new everyday.
Posted by: BCOL764 Posted on: May 30th, 2008, 7:21am
Some photos of the twins in their new home in sunny California.  
 
3809
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,1591838,1591838#1591838
 
3870
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,1401772,1401772#1401772
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 31st, 2008, 2:02am
[quote author=Balto link=board=Vancouver;num=1175555045;start=160#165 date=12/16/07 at 00:57:33]I'm not sure of it but would the last Baldwin's have left the island back in 1982? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Seems to me you are right.  This was my final opportunity to photograph one of the Baldwins.  The picture of 7072 was taken in Victoria August 20, 1982.  If I remember correctly, it left shortly after.
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:12am
Speaking of locomotives of Vancouver Island, here is a gaggle of 'em.
 
8674, 8685, 8676, 8672, 8673, 8827, 8828, 8826, 8836, 8835 on December 6, 1986.
 
Those were the days.  Will Wellcox witness that much horsepower again?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:45am
on Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:12am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Speaking of locomotives of Vancouver Island, here is a gaggle of 'em.
 
8674, 8685, 8676, 8672, 8673, 8827, 8828, 8826, 8836, 8635 on December 6, 1986.
 
Those were the days.  Will Wellcox witness that much horsepower again?

With all the log cars in the background, it must of been when they were making 2 trips a day with logs for Port Alberni, those were the days! We will have the find pictures of the derailment at Cameron Lake.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 7:08pm
oooooh, look at all those unrebuilt GP9's..those were the days!...
 
I don't see any reason why things couldn't be that way on The E&N again..just takes some forward thinking from those with the purse strings!..the traffic is there, it can't be cost effective for all those shipping by truck, wiuth fuel prices the way they are, especially those using the ferries!
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:38pm
wow, 10 GP9s!  
 
I agree, I do believe traffic can return to similar levels back in the mid 80s. With the high gas prices, you are going to see more food grown on the island and probably more local industry coming back, which will probably need an energy efficient way of transporting the materials, rail!
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:42pm
on Dec 13th, 2007, 8:21am, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It is not a logging car
 
a)Log traffic had ceased by the time I took this pic.  
 
b)Logs were not (I was tempted to say never, but I don't know about way back when) hauled to Victoria by rail at this time.
 
c)In the early 80's, they hadn't ripped out the yard tracks yet.  The "coachyard" was not used for revenue shipments at the time.  So I'd say that the car contained something for M of W or something for the shops

 
I do know that log cars were brought down to Victoria up until I think the early 70s for repairs at the car shops, Ive seen pictures of this.
 
I think the CNR brought in logs  as well. I mean, all those log booms, they would had to have come down somehow.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:43pm
on Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:45am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

With all the log cars in the background, it must of been when they were making 2 trips a day with logs for Port Alberni, those were the days! We will have the find pictures of the derailment at Cameron Lake.

No log trains in the mid 80's.  Port was 3 or 4 days/week, Courtenay 1 day wk, Victoria was 3x/week in that time frame
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 1:21am
on Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:43pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

No log trains in the mid 80's.  Port was 3 or 4 days/week, Courtenay 1 day wk, Victoria was 3x/week in that time frame

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Granted, there were unusual circumstances at the time,  but there were indeed two log trains a day on the Port Sub for a short time during 1986.  Ergo all that horsepower at Wellcox!  Here is a photo taken November 1, 1986 at Cameron Lake on the Port Alberni sub.  By the way, I have known tfctrains for 30 years and have learned that his knowledge of the E&N is tough to match.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 1:42am
Nice Pics
 
I did not realize that they still had log trains on the E&N in the late 80s.
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 2:10am
on Jun 4th, 2008, 1:42am, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice Pics
 
I did not realize that they still had log trains on the E&N in the late 80s.
 

 
Thanks.
 
Hmmm.... one could truthfully say there were no "regular" log trains in the 80s.  Like I say, there were unusual circumstances that provided the opportunity to take the two previous photos.  There was a woodworkers' strike late in 1986 prompting CP Rail to go into a brief log hauling business.  Just wanted to point out that it is dangerous to categorically state that something didn't happen.  There just might be a senior railfan out there who is liable to prove you wrong!
 
Those loaded cars, by the way, are sitting on Cameron Lake siding.  The rest of the train was scattered along the track towards the lake where there was major derailment.  The Port sub didn't stand up to the punishment of those heavy cars.
 
 
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 8:58am
on Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:42pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I do know that log cars were brought down to Victoria up until I think the early 70s for repairs at the car shops, Ive seen pictures of this.
 
I think the CNR brought in logs  as well. I mean, all those log booms, they would had to have come down somehow.

 
Log cars yes, and as you stated they were here for repair.  Loaded log cars no (at least in this time frame)  
 
The logs for BCFP (where my dad worked from the late 50's until the plywood mill shut down in 81) were brought in on the water. 
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 9:12am
on Jun 4th, 2008, 2:10am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks.
 
Hmmm.... one could truthfully say there were no "regular" log trains in the 80s.  Like I say, there were unusual circumstances that provided the opportunity to take the two previous photos.  There was a woodworkers' strike late in 1986 prompting CP Rail to go into a brief log hauling business.  Just wanted to point out that it is dangerous to categorically state that something didn't happen.  There just might be a senior railfan out there who is liable to prove you wrong!
 
Those loaded cars, by the way, are sitting on Cameron Lake siding.  The rest of the train was scattered along the track towards the lake where there was major derailment.  The Port sub didn't stand up to the punishment of those heavy cars.
 
 

That would explain the excess power. The 8600's had migratd back to the mainland by then & I guess they sent some back to cover the excess needs.
 
I'm surprised that I never heard of the extra traffic when it happened.
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 9:32am
on Jun 4th, 2008, 8:58am, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
The logs for BCFP (where my dad worked from the late 50's until the plywood mill shut down in 81) were brought in on the water. 

 
Just wondering here ... I know that at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Domans was hauling veneer from the Youbou mill to Victoria for the plywood mill (by truck).
Was the veneer previously hauled by CN from Youbou to Victoria? If so, was in it boxcars or on flats?
Will
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm
Yes, never say the words " XXXX railway never did XXX"...you will almost always be proven wrong. I think I've only done it once, on here anyway..stating that no CP C424 ever touched the rails of the E&N...but have been waiting for something to surface ever since;)...remember, people swore for years that there was never an F-unit over there....
 
By that time in 86, there would have been around 40 unrebuilt GP9's left...they seemed to make an effort to keep only the 26L brake(newest) equipped ones on the island by then.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 10:07pm
on Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Yes, never say the words " XXXX railway never did XXX"...you will almost always be proven wrong. I think I've only done it once, on here anyway..stating that no CP C424 ever touched the rails of the E&N...but have been waiting for something to surface ever since;)...remember, people swore for years that there was never an F-unit over there.....

 
In the case of the C424s you are right.  They didn't come over here (If they had it definitely would be recorded somewhere
 
on Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
By that time in 86, there would have been around 40 unrebuilt GP9's left...they seemed to make an effort to keep only the 26L brake(newest) equipped ones on the island by then.

 
Correct.  The usual susects 8646,8663,8669,8672,8673,8674 all went to play on mainland BC before getting rebuilt.  
 
Pic taken in Merritt late March 1985  - 8673 and 8674 just got in from the Spences Bridge turn.  (Off topic but I got to run them around the yard a bit and had parked them where they sit in the pic)
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 4th, 2008, 11:41pm
on Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
no CP C424 ever touched the rails of the E&N...but have been waiting for something to surface ever since

 
A C424!  That, no doubt, is a safe bet.  (Notice I didn't say never, though.  Too risky!)
 
But, if you like MLWs, here is S-3 #6572 at Port Alberni during the spring of 1979.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jun 5th, 2008, 1:05am
on Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
.remember, people swore for years that there was never an F-unit over there....

Details?    The 1967 Centennial engines?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 5th, 2008, 1:52am
Looking through old slides tonight, this taken July 1981 shows Comox Logging's 8427 now Alberni Pacific 8427 crossing the E&N at Ladysmith. If my memory serves me well Sidewinder was standing beside me when I took the picture.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 5th, 2008, 2:06am
Another Vancouver Island engine M&B #1077 in Courtenay May 1979 at the head of the Provincial Museum Train. Sidewinder and I along with other railfans were there to watch it come to town at daybreak somewhere I have a picture of the headlight coming down the track.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jun 5th, 2008, 11:07am
on Jun 5th, 2008, 2:06am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Another Vancouver Island engine M&B #1077 in Courtenay May 1979 at the head of the Provincial Museum Train. Sidewinder and I along with other railfans were there to watch it come to town at daybreak somewhere I have a picture of the headlight coming down the track.

I got to sit in the cab of 1077 at Wellcox while it waited for the barge to go back to the mainland.  I remember it was a warm day, and the cab was very hot with the fire.....  The engineer and fireman welcomed us aboard as we broke the monotony of waiting for the barge; as they couldn't leave due to security of the locomotive.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 5th, 2008, 1:34pm
on Jun 5th, 2008, 1:05am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Details?    The 1967 Centennial engines?

 
 
Yes, that would be right! One could also add RS23's, which we know were there, one at least anyway(which I have always found odd...they were never west coast units), or an M420(musem train) Here's a different one though, were any of the GP7's ever over there?
Posted by: craigolio Posted on: Jun 9th, 2008, 8:40pm
This may not qualify as a locomotive but if not then what?  In the '70s a British Columbia Railway RDC traveled the line with a CPR RDC.  I think maybe with a Premier riding in it but of that I can't be sure.
 
Craig
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 10th, 2008, 7:59pm
Quote:
In the '70s a British Columbia Railway RDC traveled the line with a CPR RDC.  I think maybe with a Premier riding in it but of that I can't be sure.

 
Indeed it did.  The Premier was Bill Bennett and most of the Provincial Cabinet rode with him.  It was in 1978, IIRC, the year the CTC gave CP Rail permission to abandon passenger service on the E&N, and the Premier's trip was part of a provincial government campaign to have that decision reversed.  I believe there is a photo of the trip on one of these threads.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Aug 9th, 2008, 11:45pm
on Jun 5th, 2008, 1:34pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
One could also add RS23's, which we know were there, one at least anyway(which I have always found odd...they were never west coast units)

 
Sorry to hi-jack a thread but recently I followed an interesting message thread regarding the MLW's which started off as a question about reliability and then morphed into "CP's MLW experiments, E&N style".
 
This was the only mention of the E&N but I thought I would copy/paste it here for our enjoyment:
 
Re: CP's MLW Experiments...E&N style  
 
 
Well to bring this thread back on topic:
CP's MLW Experiments...here's a little story...
 
Once upon a time, and it doesn't seem too long ago!, CP was purging
their old and/or minority yard power. The MLW and BLW switchers that
had faithfully performed the switching duties in the Vancouver area
had to be replaced. The Powerful Bureau ordered two MLW RS23 west to
Coquitlam to be tested in yard service. True to form, Coquitlam soon
sent one of the disliked pair sailing west to the E&N. In the fashion
of the E&N the 8020 was sent south from Welcox to the main shops in
Victoria where with a through cleaning, inside and out, and a little
TLC it became a respectable unit. Bear in mind that motive power
became captive to the E&N because of its isolation so the Victoria
shops looked after its power (all seven units at that time as I
recall) to a far greater degree than most other CP shops. I expect
the DAR was the only other CP line that could look after its power to
the same degree as the E&N and for the same reason, its isolation from
the rest of the system. In the post BLW era on the E&N it seemed
Coquitlam would rotate its most troublesome Geeps to the island to
eventually be returned clean and reliable.
 
Now to MLW Experiments...E&N style:
With the free time that its reliable fleet afforded the Victoria shops
turned its attention to the 8020 to see if they could address the
famous Alco turbo lag smoke problem. They found with some slight
adjustments to the engine's govenor the fuel rack would open s l o w
l y. So s l o w l y would the fuel rack open that the throttle
could be wiped to notch 8 and no smoke! Solved the smoke issue!
 
But, 8020 did not load like an Alco.
 
It was positively anemic!
 
Even the Geeps loaded faster.
Still, compared to today's GE's it was a throughbread.
 
The shops pondered the tradeoff: smoke vs performance.
Performance won so the govenor was reset back to specifications.
So ended the E&N MLW Experiment.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Aug 11th, 2008, 2:44pm
Where was this discussion? would like to read the rest of it.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Aug 11th, 2008, 3:21pm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cpsig/
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Aug 21st, 2008, 11:25pm
Were CP Rail GP-9s 8249 or 8231 ever used on the Island?
If so, you might be interested in seeing them after they collided with a tractor-trailer in SW Ontario today.
http://railfan.thegrebs.com/CPR
Will
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2008, 2:20pm
Yikes, hope there aren't any bent frames there, or that's it.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Aug 24th, 2008, 3:04am
I thought the train always won these kinds of fights...looks like this was a tie.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Aug 24th, 2008, 10:23pm
Well, when the load of the truck alone is 40,500kg (~45 tons), a very considerable proportion of the weight of the lead locomotive, things do happen...
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Aug 25th, 2008, 12:05am
[quote author=MinionII link=board=Vancouver;num=1175555045;start=180#197 date=08/24/08 at 22:23:33]Well, when the load of the truck alone is 40,500kg (~45 tons), a very considerable proportion of the weight of the lead locomotive, things do happen...[/quote
 
 
Also, if part of the truck manages to get jammed under the loco's wheels, it's quite possible for it to derail the locomotive.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Aug 25th, 2008, 4:40am
on Aug 21st, 2008, 11:25pm, thehighwayman wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Were CP Rail GP-9s 8249 or 8231 ever used on the Island?
If so, you might be interested in seeing them after they collided with a tractor-trailer in SW Ontario today.
http://railfan.thegrebs.com/CPR
Will

8231 started life as 8816 and 8249 was 8830, I can't say they were never here, but they definitely were not regulars.
Posted by: andrewjoystick Posted on: Aug 28th, 2008, 1:14am
Went by SRY's Trapp yard yesterday and stopped to get some pictures of 110 and 119. Heres 110...
Posted by: andrewjoystick Posted on: Aug 28th, 2008, 1:15am
...and 119 in the shops.
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Aug 28th, 2008, 8:31pm
110 in a previous life. BN 1897
http://www.trainpix.com/bn/EMDORIG/GP9/1897.HTM
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Aug 31st, 2008, 11:06pm
Driving around Nanaimo the other day, it came to mind that it was 50 years ago give or take that it became routine for my parents to drop me off at the vantage point overlooking the Wellcox engine facilities.  The yards were fascinating whether something was moving or not.  A group of Baldwins would be there chanting away (never shut them down in those days) and that alone was captivating.  One day, I inherited a WWII vintage box camera (hey, don't laugh... it was a big deal) and took the following image.
 
Cont'd in the next reply.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Aug 31st, 2008, 11:23pm
It seemed like a good opportunity to take a photo from the same spot 50 years later.  Things have changed, to say the least.  The profile of the hills on Grabriola Island in the distance can be seen in both images.  Also, the concrete pad in front of the 8006 in the B&W image remains today and the roof of the building that can be seen through the gap between the SRY engines in the colour photo is discernible above the roof lines of the Baldwins.
 
Can't help but wonder what the scene will look like in another 50 years.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 2:28pm
Pictures like this are great, extremely interesting...I do a fair amount of that type of thing, though normally duplicating scenes taken by others many years ago...not old enough!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 5:43pm
on Sep 2nd, 2008, 2:28pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Pictures like this are great, extremely interesting...I do a fair amount of that type of thing, though normally duplicating scenes taken by others many years ago...not old enough!

 
Couldn't agree more..... before and after pictures are fascinating.  I have attempted to duplicate scenes photographed by others, too..... Nicholas Morant, Dave Wilkie, tfctrains. Enough time has gone by for my own steps to be retraced.  Hate to tell you this, "Be patient..... your time will come."
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 8:12pm
Wow, and when you took that b&w pic of the Baldwins my grandfather was working out of that terminal mostly towards Port Alberni.
 
50 years from now I fear that will all be condo's or housing of some sort.  Here's to hoping that steel wheels on steel rail will endure and that maybe my boy will be standing there 50 years from now taking a before/after pic and comparing it with these two.
 
Now isn't that a trippy thought!  
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 8:57pm
Well, I'm 32, so there are a few that I've done of my own...but yes, you definatley have a point;)
 
 
Another point, in the "now" pic...129 was already 8 years old when you took the "then" pic, and 124 was brand new!
 
Much like the people, they are still kicking!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:47pm
on Sep 2nd, 2008, 8:12pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
50 years from now I fear that will all be condo's or housing of some sort.  Here's to hoping that steel wheels on steel rail will endure and that maybe my boy will be standing there 50 years from now taking a before/after pic and comparing it with these two.
 
Now isn't that a trippy thought!  

 
Condo's!!!!  You could very well be right, but let's hope sanity prevails and the railway continues to be a player, a major player, in Vancouver Island's transportation network.
 
I sincerely hope your son does get a chance to photograph trains at the same location.  But, let's not rush the next 50 years!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2008, 11:52pm
on Sep 2nd, 2008, 8:57pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Another point, in the "now" pic...129 was already 8 years old when you took the "then" pic, and 124 was brand new!

 
Interesting detective work! Never gave it a thought that the SRY units are of that vintage.
 
I'm stuck in the Baldwin era.... still miss 'em!  
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2008, 5:16pm
This is slightly off-topic, but some might find it an interesting and eye-opening read.  I never realized that it was becoming extremely difficult to find parts for the EMD 567 engine.  I think it's ironic that you can still buy parts for the FM 38D engine (hehe! had to plug my fave engine plant there!  ).
 
http://www.rypn.org/RyPN/articles/viewarticles.asp?filename=060228215551.txt
Posted by: .missthealcos Posted on: Sep 6th, 2008, 11:35pm
Very interesting read...I was told over 10 years ago now, by the "head" mechanic(as in the guy who really knew what he was doing in the group) of a collection, that trying to operate and maintain a 567B was becoming a big headache, which would only get worse...he said the same thing at the time as well...find an engine that had already been upgraded to BC, or simply install a 567C, rather than fight with the expense of the 567B engine.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 14th, 2008, 2:36am
Here is a video to watch that gives a brief glimpse of what it was like when steam returned to the Nimpkish Valley during the summer of 1988.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQon1H_XAw
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Sep 14th, 2008, 9:37pm
on Sep 2nd, 2008, 8:12pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow, and when you took that b&w pic of the Baldwins my grandfather was working out of that terminal mostly towards Port Alberni.
 
50 years from now I fear that will all be condo's or housing of some sort.  Here's to hoping that steel wheels on steel rail will endure and that maybe my boy will be standing there 50 years from now taking a before/after pic and comparing it with these two.
 
Now isn't that a trippy thought!  

 
From what I heard, the yard is to stay as it is and the harbour surrounding the yard is to be developed.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2008, 11:47pm
on Sep 14th, 2008, 9:37pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
From what I heard, the yard is to stay as it is and the harbour surrounding the yard is to be developed.

 
Saw an article in a Nanaimo paper months ago reporting on a multi-tower development destined to go at the location of the transfer wharf.  It featured a photo of a someone involved with the barge slip and associated tracks in the background.  Is the barge slip referred to as the transfer wharf?  Not sure how the yard will work without the barge slip!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 1st, 2008, 1:57am
on Jun 4th, 2008, 2:10am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Those loaded cars, by the way, are sitting on Cameron Lake siding.  The rest of the train was scattered along the track towards the lake where there was major derailment.  The Port sub didn't stand up to the punishment of those heavy cars.

This photo has been on my desk top waiting for someone the comment on the derailment.  No use waiting any longer.....
 
 
"Hey, Sidewinder, you mentioned a major derailment.  Don't suppose you managed to get close to it?"
 
"Well, Sidewinder, just so happens we did!  CP Rail had to dispatch the heavy artillery to deal with the mess along the shore of Cameron Lake."
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 1st, 2008, 12:56pm
Good job I was there with you, so I could carry the camera! Another great day!
Posted by: ENR3005 Posted on: Oct 1st, 2008, 11:49pm
I for one would love to see more photos of the derailment and the log trains that ran in 1986. I have been drooling for years over the prospect of getting a look at the late Mr. Wilkies massive E&N archive that included photos of the log hauling operations in 1986. However I imagine my odds of seeing his archive are about the same as finding the Holy Grail or the Vancouver Canucks winning the Stanley Cup. Thanks again for the photos and the insight into an era that most of us wish we had taken the time to photograph and document. Some of us were also a bit young to be chasing trains at that time. I for one I are still mad for Santa Claus not bringing me that Camera for Christmas in 1985 and instead giving it to my brother and sticking me with the usual G.I Joe collectable. Keep the pics and stories rolling.
 
Chris  
 
on Oct 1st, 2008, 1:57am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

This photo has been on my desk top waiting for someone the comment on the derailment.  No use waiting any longer.....
 
 
"Hey, Sidewinder, you mentioned a major derailment.  Don't suppose you managed to get close to it?"
 
"Well, Sidewinder, just so happens we did!  CP Rail had to dispatch the heavy artillery to deal with the mess along the shore of Cameron Lake."

Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 12:44am
on Oct 1st, 2008, 12:56pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Good job I was there with you, so I could carry the camera! Another great day!

 
Harrr.... yep, those 35 mm cameras were heavy in those days.
 
There is no doubt about it, though, it was your personable powers of persuasion that gave us the opportunity to photograph the derailment.  That superintendent was ready to give us the bum's rush!
 
You must see if you can find your photos taken that day.  ENR3005 would like to see some more.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 1:06am
on Sep 16th, 2008, 11:47pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Saw an article in a Nanaimo paper months ago reporting on a multi-tower development destined to go at the location of the transfer wharf.  It featured a photo of a someone involved with the barge slip and associated tracks in the background.  Is the barge slip referred to as the transfer wharf?  Not sure how the yard will work without the barge slip!

 
the transfer wharf is not the barge slip, its actually the wharf near the old mill site.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 1:10am
on Oct 1st, 2008, 11:49pm, ENR3005 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I for one would love to see more photos of the derailment and the log trains that ran in 1986. I have been drooling for years over the prospect of getting a look at the late Mr. Wilkies massive E&N archive that included photos of the log hauling operations in 1986. However I imagine my odds of seeing his archive are about the same as finding the Holy Grail or the Vancouver Canucks winning the Stanley Cup. Thanks again for the photos and the insight into an era that most of us wish we had taken the time to photograph and document. Some of us were also a bit young to be chasing trains at that time. I for one I are still mad for Santa Claus not bringing me that Camera for Christmas in 1985 and instead giving it to my brother and sticking me with the usual G.I Joe collectable. Keep the pics and stories rolling.
Chris  

 
There are other photos taken that day and I chose the one that seemed to tell the story better than the rest.  I could post more but we seem to be off topic thanks to me talking about the derailment.
 
Tfctrains was there, too.  Perhaps your comments will prompt him to find his pictures.  (Ya out there, ol' buddy?)
 
We were fortunate to get close to the site of the derailment.  The superintendent was not happy to see fans show up and was quick to say so in so many words. Tfctrains, though, has an uncanny way with people and we were permitted down the tracks as long as we stayed well out of the way.  And, we had to promise that no photos would show up for public viewing. That promise keeps echoing in my mind, but after all it has been twenty years!
 
Is the Dave Wilkie collection not available for viewing at the WCRA's archives at Squamish?  
 
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 1:30am
I'd say that anything you promised the weed weasel ceased to apply the second CP departed the island.  Besides, his main concern would have been news coverage.
 
Prehaps a separate thread would be in order though.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 1:24am
on Oct 2nd, 2008, 1:30am, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'd say that anything you promised the weed weasel ceased to apply the second CP departed the island.  Besides, his main concern would have been news coverage.
 
Prehaps a separate thread would be in order though.

I have always acted responsibly in the pursuit of my railfan hobby and shown respect for the people that work on the railroads whether  they be section workers or superindents. And it has paid off as it did that day at Cameron Lake.
The Superindent had his hands full that day , he probably didn't even have to talk to us. We were the only ones permitted there that day, we were quite honered.
The superindent had been treated poorly by the news media during the log haul to Port Alberni and he had very good reason not to have photo's taken for anything other than our personal use. Now 20 some years later we are now able to share them with you all.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:55am
on Oct 4th, 2008, 1:24am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I have always acted responsibly in the pursuit of my railfan hobby and shown respect for the people that work on the railroads whether  they be section workers or superindents. And it has paid off as it did that day at Cameron Lake.
The Superindent had his hands full that day , he probably didn't even have to talk to us. We were the only ones permitted there that day, we were quite honered.
The superindent had been treated poorly by the news media during the log haul to Port Alberni and he had very good reason not to have photo's taken for anything other than our personal use. Now 20 some years later we are now able to share them with you all.

I should have checked the timeline before choosing my words.  The person who I thought (incorrectly) that you were referring to had departed the Island by then and was probably retired.  While the majority of E&N/Vancouver Division officials were fair to both employees and fans, the one that came to mind was not well liked here or where he ended up and opportunities for things like cab rides increased very quickly after his departure.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:22pm
Nice exchange,guys..... makes for a gratifying read.
Respect can go a long way to get that elusive picture on railway property.  At least, it used to.  Today's safety conscious companies with liabilities in the forefront can be less forgiving.
 
Since I was the character who managed to move off topic, let me fix that.  Time to get back on track (no pun intended).
 
Here is one of Vancouver Island's more diminutive locomotives oozing with charm sitting on the interchange tracks at Ladysmith.  July 1983.  Anybody know what happened to the 107 in the end?
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:31pm
on Oct 4th, 2008, 6:22pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ladysmith.  July 1983.  Anybody know what happened to the 107 in the end?  

It may have ended up in Port Alberni......
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:54pm
on Oct 4th, 2008, 6:31pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

It may have ended up in Port Alberni......

 
There is a remarkably similar locomotive sitting in the round house in Port, however, it is painted green. Was this one by any chance powered by a gasoline V8 engine?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:38pm
on Oct 4th, 2008, 6:54pm, CN7059 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
There is a remarkably similar locomotive sitting in the round house in Port, however, it is painted green. Was this one by any chance powered by a gasoline V8 engine?

 
My records say it was gasoline powered but doesn't mention the cylinder count.  Here is another view of it (Feb. 1987) that may help convince you that it is the same one in Port.
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Oct 4th, 2008, 8:35pm
on Oct 4th, 2008, 7:38pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
My records say it was gasoline powered but doesn't mention the cylinder count.  Here is another view of it (Feb. 1987) that may help convince you that it is the same one in Port.

 
 
Sure looks like it. It must be the, as that is a fairly unique machine.
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Oct 5th, 2008, 3:07am
on Oct 4th, 2008, 8:35pm, CN7059 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Sure looks like it. It must be the, as that is a fairly unique machine.

 
It is the one in Port Alberni. Went to Port around the same time that the 8427 did, so I hear.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 5th, 2008, 3:30am
on Oct 5th, 2008, 3:07am, cn7066 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
It is the one in Port Alberni. Went to Port around the same time that the 8427 did, so I hear.

Yes, you are right, it is in Port Alberni, It would be important to their collection as it was Alberni Pacific Lumber's # 7:1.  I would like to think that Sidewinder has a photo of it sitting at Camp A with more of A.P.L. engine's.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 6th, 2008, 12:23am
on Oct 5th, 2008, 3:30am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I would like to think that Sidewinder has a photo of it sitting at Camp A with more of A.P.L. engine's.

 
Nope..... had a quick look.  You must have seen the photo elsewhere.
 
This photo caused me to pause the other day.  Brought to mind how at one time, you could expect to see something different at Wellcox quite regularly.  Not necessarily something new, but something different.  In this case, though, the paint was indeed new.  The screen just to the rear of the cab of the 8831 still has the sheet metal strip that used to carry the yellow stripe of the previous paint scheme.  September 1975.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 6th, 2008, 1:58am
on Oct 6th, 2008, 12:23am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Nope..... had a quick look.  You must have seen the photo elsewhere.
 
This photo caused me to pause the other day.  Brought to mind how at one time, you could expect to see something different at Wellcox quite regularly.  Not necessarily something new, but something different.  In this case, though, the paint was indeed new.  The screen just to the rear of the cab of the 8831 still has the sheet metal strip that used to carry the yellow stripe of the previous paint scheme.  September 1975.

I did find this, I understand this a Gordon Hulford picture from another site!
 As I mentioned earlier this was a Alberni Pacific Lumber's engine, their first # 7, they traded this engine for Comox Loggings# 4 a Heisler, she had suffered a boiler explosion in Aug 1920 and was rebuilt. The trade took place in 1936. Alberni Pacific rebuilt the engine and on its first trip it ran away. It was a total wreck, it's tender is still in the bush above Camp A.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 6th, 2008, 3:21am
on Oct 6th, 2008, 12:23am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The screen just to the rear of the cab of the 8831 still has the sheet metal strip that used to carry the yellow stripe of the previous paint scheme.

 
Here is a link to a pic with the old paint scheme:
http://www.trainweb.org/galt-stn/cproster/locomotive/8500s/cp8528-1.htm
 
From the Website: http://www.trainweb.org/galt-stn/cproster/topindex.htm
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Oct 6th, 2008, 2:52pm
on Oct 6th, 2008, 12:23am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Nope..... had a quick look.  You must have seen the photo elsewhere.
 
This photo caused me to pause the other day.  Brought to mind how at one time, you could expect to see something different at Wellcox quite regularly.  Not necessarily something new, but something different.  In this case, though, the paint was indeed new.  The screen just to the rear of the cab of the 8831 still has the sheet metal strip that used to carry the yellow stripe of the previous paint scheme.  September 1975.

 
Another great pic!
 
And, it also adds another model to "what operated on VI"....that's an S10, rare unit, unique to CP, none survived.
 
Also...the metal strip for the yellow stripe, there are GP9u's that STILL have that "feature"!..I'll have to dig out some pictures, but they definatley exist.
If I recall correctly, for some reason, 1691-1697(8831 now being 1694, and no, I didn't look that up...scary, isn't it? now, if I could actually remember something important for once!!!) all have it..strange that there would be a consecutive group like that, but I seem to recall seeing that it is true.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 7th, 2008, 1:19am
on Oct 6th, 2008, 2:52pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Also...the metal strip for the yellow stripe, there are GP9u's that STILL have that "feature"!..I'll have to dig out some pictures, but they definatley exist.
If I recall correctly, for some reason, 1691-1697(8831 now being 1694, and no, I didn't look that up...scary, isn't it? now, if I could actually remember something important for once!!!) all have it..strange that there would be a consecutive group like that, but I seem to recall seeing that it is true.

 
Good memory!  Interesting the metal strip is on some engines after all these years.  It would be nice if you could post a photo of the 1694.
 
This was my one and only encounter with a maroon and gray locomotive on Vancouver Island after buying a SLR.  Of course, the sun had to be low resulting in a less than ideal exposure.  There was no way of knowing this was to be the last opportunity.  Wellcox, early 70s.
 
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Oct 7th, 2008, 2:11pm
http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/CP%201600/CP%201694.htm
 
here you go, It shows clearly...the others are there as well. My own pics require me to scan them(and find them!)
 
good memory? more of a "warped" memory;)
 
1693 doesn't have it in the pics.
1691-97 are the switchers built from the late(last) group of GP-9s purchased, the 26L units.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 9th, 2008, 3:32am
on Oct 7th, 2008, 2:11pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/CP%201600/CP%201694.htm
 
here you go, It shows clearly...the others are there as well. My own pics require me to scan them(and find them!)
 
good memory? more of a "warped" memory;)
 
1693 doesn't have it in the pics.
1691-97 are the switchers built from the late(last) group of GP-9s purchased, the 26L units.

What were the modifications and why the numbering change?
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Oct 9th, 2008, 11:22am
on Oct 9th, 2008, 3:32am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

What were the modifications and why the numbering change?

 
Upgraded electrics, and a chopped nose are a couple of modifications made. The 1500's and 1600's are, if I recall correctly, yard switchers while the 8200's are road switchers.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 9th, 2008, 12:21pm
on Oct 9th, 2008, 11:22am, cn7066 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Upgraded electrics, and a chopped nose are a couple of modifications made. The 1500's and 1600's are, if I recall correctly, yard switchers while the 8200's are road switchers.

What is the difference?  Performance ranges?
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Oct 9th, 2008, 3:17pm
The 1512-1652 series were rebuilt from units in the 8498-8823 series, as strictly yard units. They lost their DB, and transition, and as such were limited to 35mph
 
The 1690-1697(was supposed to be up to 1705) were rebuilt from the 8825-8839 series, which had the newer 26L brake schedule, along with a few other differences from the older units(basically, they had many features that would eventually be found in the GP18, which we never had, they just kept updating the GP9 designation..8839 actually had the GP18's 567D1 prime mover when built) Also lost DB and Transition. CP chose to distinguish these units from the earlier ones right from the start, as 1691 was rebuilt the same year(1980) as 1512.
 
The 1682-1690 units were an addition, they are the 3 TH&B GP9's and 6 remaining GP7's..the GP7's were given upgraded 645C blocks from the former CP FP9's which were repurchased from Via after retirement in 1983, unlike the original CP GP7's which have 645BC Prime movers, retaining the original 1500 HP rating. 1682-1690 have the same switcher modifications as the rest, except the TH&B units were built without DB, and so stand out from the rest of the fleet.
 
The 8200-8204 group were rebuilt prior to the major rebuilding program, in the '70's, and were simply renumbered as 8200's, remaining as full road units, with DB, and 65 MPH  
 
In 1987, The switcher program was terminated(as was the 1200 series SW1200RS program), and the remaining unrebuilt GP9s were rebuilt for road service, and numbered above the existing units, 8205-8249, ending in late 1989. For whatever reason, their was no distinction between the 24RL and 26L units after rebuilding to the 8200 series.
8250-8252 are units that were in the 1500 and 1600 series which had their transition equipment reinstalled in the 90's, and are now road units again..but still do not have DB. The 8200's above that are former SOO units.
 
Clear things up a bit?
Posted by: ENR3005 Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 12:53am
tfctrains & Sidewinder
 
I am curious about this brief log hauling operation and how it was operated. Did the E&N continue hauling logs into Port Alberni in 1988 and 1989 as I have photos of GP35s and GP38s sitting beside strings of loaded log flats in Wellcox or was this some sort of logging operation during that period. During the strike in 1986, were the log flats loaded at Wellcox or were they loaded somewhere on the mainland and shipped loaded onto the barge and off loaded at Wellcox? How and where were the log flats unloaded at Port Alberni? Did they have a fulltime yard crew assigned during this time to switch the large number of cars delivered plus the regular freight traffic? If so what was used for power? I am sure I could ask another dozen questions however I will leave them for another night as I think I have used my allowance for tonight. Thanks for any info you guys could provide
 
on Oct 4th, 2008, 1:24am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I have always acted responsibly in the pursuit of my railfan hobby and shown respect for the people that work on the railroads whether  they be section workers or superindents. And it has paid off as it did that day at Cameron Lake.
The Superindent had his hands full that day , he probably didn't even have to talk to us. We were the only ones permitted there that day, we were quite honered.
The superindent had been treated poorly by the news media during the log haul to Port Alberni and he had very good reason not to have photo's taken for anything other than our personal use. Now 20 some years later we are now able to share them with you all.

Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 1:51am
on Oct 10th, 2008, 12:53am, ENR3005 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
tfctrains & Sidewinder
 
I am curious about this brief log hauling operation and how it was operated. Did the E&N continue hauling logs into Port Alberni in 1988 and 1989 as I have photos of GP35s and GP38s sitting beside strings of loaded log flats in Wellcox or was this some sort of logging operation during that period. During the strike in 1986, were the log flats loaded at Wellcox or were they loaded somewhere on the mainland and shipped loaded onto the barge and off loaded at Wellcox? How and where were the log flats unloaded at Port Alberni? Did they have a fulltime yard crew assigned during this time to switch the large number of cars delivered plus the regular freight traffic? If so what was used for power? I am sure I could ask another dozen questions however I will leave them for another night as I think I have used my allowance for tonight. Thanks for any info you guys could provide
 

I am not going to be able to give you definitive answers to your questions about operations.  I do have a photo of the log loading facility at Wellcox.  Tfctrains has more insight into what was going on at the Port Alberni end.  He and I have talked about the photos of the derailment in our collections and understand that you would like to know more.  His photos have not come to light yet, but they should as time goes on. CP8673 suggested a new thread.  Stay tuned.  In the mean time, though, perhaps tfctrains can answer a few of your questions.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 2:32am
on Oct 10th, 2008, 12:53am, ENR3005 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
tfctrains & Sidewinder
 
I am curious about this brief log hauling operation and how it was operated. Did the E&N continue hauling logs into Port Alberni in 1988 and 1989 as I have photos of GP35s and GP38s sitting beside strings of loaded log flats in Wellcox or was this some sort of logging operation during that period. During the strike in 1986, were the log flats loaded at Wellcox or were they loaded somewhere on the mainland and shipped loaded onto the barge and off loaded at Wellcox? How and where were the log flats unloaded at Port Alberni? Did they have a fulltime yard crew assigned during this time to switch the large number of cars delivered plus the regular freight traffic? If so what was used for power? I am sure I could ask another dozen questions however I will leave them for another night as I think I have used my allowance for tonight. Thanks for any info you guys could provide
 
I think they only hauled the logs during the strike or for a short period after the strike, I understand the logs came from Alaska, they were dumped in Ladysmith Harbour, then trucked to Welcox, loaded on the log cars. I think trains of about 26 or 27 cars left Welcox twice a day, when they would get to Port Alberni, the crew would get off the train and a Company official would run the train into the pulp mill to be unloaded. I am not sure how they were unloaded, the pulp mill may have switched the empties out of the mill, I am not sure. As for the regular frieght, I do not remember very much moving during that time period, it may have been declared "HOT" and the crews on the train would not haul them, I am also not sure. Hopefully I will some pictures of the operation  and post them over the winter.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 14th, 2008, 12:10am
Here is an example that could be described as somewhat unusual from the days when Woss had switchstand lanterns.  I guess you could argue that it is not a locomotive but a Skagit railcar.  But, since it was used for motive power at a logging show on a hillside above Beaver Cove, it is a locomotive of sorts.  The image was copied from a slide taken during the mid to late 50s.  The Skagit is numbered 250 and was dubbed the "outhouse on wheels".  Actually, the name was bit more rude.... you figure it out.
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2008, 1:02am
Is that the diesel shay on the right, there?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 19th, 2008, 12:19am
on Oct 14th, 2008, 1:02am, cn7066 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Is that the diesel shay on the right, there?

 
It sure is!  The above photo and the one under "Canfor's diesel shay", Reply 12, are from the same group of slides.  Pretty sure they were taken the same day.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 20th, 2008, 1:28am
Here is another locomotive that worked the E & N.  Seems to me, someone else posted a photo of an SW-1200 but I couldn't find it during a quick search. Pardon the duplication if that is the case!
August 22, 1986
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Oct 20th, 2008, 11:01am
1238. Isn't that the engine that works the switch job out of Castlegar?
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Oct 20th, 2008, 1:35pm
Yes it was but has had a bunch of mechanical problems since last year.  A GP38-2 had been brought in to replace it but more recently an MP15 showed up
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Oct 21st, 2008, 8:34pm
Did anyone catch the report on Chek news last night on Harmac Pacific's mill? It included the mills SW-900 #915.
Actually, A channel has also done a report about them. Is there a change in policy about cameras in the mill site with the change in ownership?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 12th, 2008, 12:58am
Recently someone asked, did they run GP7's on the Island. Here is a photo taken at Welcox Feb 79 of CP 8424, I believe this was the last GP 7 built for CP. I will post a photo of it soon, on the Nitnat Logger.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Dec 13th, 2008, 3:09pm
Wow, that's the first proof of a GP7 over there (CP anyway) I've ever seen
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 14th, 2008, 12:29am
on Dec 13th, 2008, 3:09pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow, that's the first proof of a GP7 over there (CP anyway) I've ever seen

My son was telling me that he remembers more GP 7's on the Island when he was young, for one he remembers 8410, I will post it one day if I can find a photo of it. The photo I posted on Log haul operation 1986 of a log train at Ladysmith has 8424 leading, my son remembers. I have another photo of it trailing that I will post soon.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Dec 14th, 2008, 7:36pm
on Dec 13th, 2008, 3:09pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow, that's the first proof of a GP7 over there (CP anyway) I've ever seen

Dispatcher's records for April 1973 show 8415 and 8410 on the Island for the first ten days of the month.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 11th, 2009, 12:29am
Here is a photo of Wellcox that tells a bit of a story.
 
This is the day MacMillan Bloedel's #1066 returned to Vancouver Island to be displayed at Qualicum Beach wearing her original company markings as Bloedel Stewart & Welch #4 looking much like she did when arriving at Menzies Bay in 1925.
 
August 14, 1985.
Posted by: joncalon Posted on: Mar 29th, 2009, 10:19am
Hey guys,
 
Hoping to find out a bit of info with respect to my plans for an HO scale layout in my basement from Wellcox to Courtenay, but trying to nail down what locomotives I need is a bit of a challenge since I haven't fully pinned down the era I'm going to be modelling.
 
I've got two GP38's, a GP35, a GP30, and a few GP9's.  What would be an appropriate year for me to model so I use all of them?
 
Thanks,
Jon
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Mar 29th, 2009, 10:59am
Since it is YOUR layout, do with it as YOU wish. Model whatever pleases you. As a suggestion, I model no particular era, so I can have a Big Boy rolling along with umpteen cars, and on another track, a series of SD's. I will say that when visitors show up, they look for the steamers and are fascinated by the siderods action. The engine looks like it is moving even when it isn't.
Posted by: Triplex Posted on: Mar 29th, 2009, 11:24am
The GP38 is the youngest of those designs, from the late 60s.
 
CP still has many GP9s, but they were all rebuilt with low noses in the 80s.
 
CP's GP35s and GP30s (only ever had two of the latter) were retired in the late 90s.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Mar 30th, 2009, 5:30pm
1988 (*maybe* late 87) is about the only year you could "accuratley" model with all of those present together..the cross over between the 30/35/38's and the unrebuilt GP9's wasn't very long, and the 30's and 35's I think came over in late 87 at the earliest, and left before 91 as far as I know..after that, it was all 38's, a few -2's in the last CP years, and the odd 8200 series rebuilt GP9(8236 for certain)...but yes, it's your layout! I'm a rivet counter extraordinaire(nutjob, in other words), and my railway is technically 87-89, but I violate my own rules there too(although, only older, not newer!). If I was to be sending in photos for publishing, I might make a point of making sure noone could nitpick me, but otherwise, not THAT strict. The only 2 rules strictly adhered to on my railway are simple. 1;  NO GE power, none, ever...bitter much? . and 2: Freight trains run with a caboose, FRED is not a welcome visitor!
Posted by: joncalon Posted on: Mar 30th, 2009, 11:39pm
on Mar 30th, 2009, 5:30pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
1988 (*maybe* late 87) is about the only year you could "accuratley" model with all of those present together..the cross over between the 30/35/38's and the unrebuilt GP9's wasn't very long, and the 30's and 35's I think came over in late 87 at the earliest, and left before 91 as far as I know...

 
Thanks a million for that!  That info is exactly what I was looking for.  I was aiming for 85-86, but guessing that I'll need to go forward a couple more years to get into the timeframe where all of them could've been active.
 
I suppose the other distinct possibility is that I can shift the years and represent slightly different timeframes.
 
Jon
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Mar 31st, 2009, 2:32pm
I do Believe 85-86 would pretty much leave you with entirely GP9 road power, with the odd SW1200RS thrown in, and the SW8 or SW900 in Victoria
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Mar 31st, 2009, 4:03pm
on Mar 31st, 2009, 2:32pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I do Believe 85-86 would pretty much leave you with entirely GP9 road power, with the odd SW1200RS thrown in, and the SW8 or SW900 in Victoria

Wasn't that about the time that the high short hoods disappeared and only short "chopped-nosed" GP-7/9s were on the island?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Mar 31st, 2009, 10:02pm
the rebuilt gp9's were not common.  missthealco's time frame is spot on.  went from 8600's in the early 80's to 8800 series gp9 to the 38's with 30's & 35's being sent here when Coquitlam didn't want to deal with 'em.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: May 6th, 2009, 12:46am
Former (briefly) Islander 124 became a bonified celebrity on Sunday, running with 4069 and 2860 to Cloverdale and return, leading on the return trip. Probably officially became the most photographed SRY locomotive ever that day!
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 2:21pm
Apparently, 8000 has managed to sneak through the lower mainland, and up to Squamish!
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 8:07pm
3809 in a previous life
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=12291
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 22nd, 2009, 2:19am
While looking for a slide suitable to use as an opening title for a video, this one came to light.  I recall looking at the slide for the first thinking to myself it was a dumb place to try and take an action photo.  But, now, 29 years later, it is kind of nice to the see the old girls up close and personal in full dress, so to speak.
 
Ware Road, Southbound Port Turn, July 19, 1985
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: May 22nd, 2009, 2:36am
I like the picture, it's a piece of history that will never be recreated! Sidewinder, I'm getting the impression you have an amazing collection of photos and we've only seen the tip of the iceberg!
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: May 22nd, 2009, 7:32pm
I like those high-nose gp9s.  
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 23rd, 2009, 1:10am
on May 22nd, 2009, 2:36am, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sidewinder, I'm getting the impression you have an amazing collection of photos and we've only seen the tip of the iceberg!

Amazing is a bit overstated, but there are a good number.  There will be opportunities to post more, hopefully, over time.
 
To digress a bit, a pal is hoping to model BS&W's #4 in one-eighth scale, live steam, and he managed to get the key for the enclosure protecting the locomotive so we could take measurements.  It has been a long time since I had the opportunity to get close to the senior locie.  Just had to take some photos without the screen in the way.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 25th, 2009, 12:21pm
Here is the backhead of the #4 at Qualicum.  A few pieces missing!
 
The distortion is caused by two photos stitched together.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 12:23am
Nice pictures sidewinder of #4. Hopefully those missing parts are safely in storage somewhere.
 
I was up in Squamish and so got some pictures of CP 8000. They told me that it arrived last week and that they had just moved it into the park (from the shops) a few hours before I got there. It defiantly needs a new coat of paint but hopefully something happens quickly.
 
Also wondering, note the front where it looks bent, does anyone know if its suppose to be like that or has that been damaged? 2 more questions, does anyone know whats inside the short hood, is it empty or is there equipment in there. Last one, does anyone know if it can still be started up?
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 12:24am
CP 8000 again.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 2:32pm
The front pilot/footboard was damaged years ago, mid 90's. 8000 had a steam generator in the short hood when built, but it was removed not long after the RDC's arrived. It'll either be empty, or have ballast, concrete or steel, in the short hood.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: May 27th, 2009, 3:28pm
Yeah, it definatley had no control stand then, but I asked the guy who told me it had arrived, and he said it has one now? strange...I doubt there were any Baldwin control stands lying around! Maybe the original one wasn't tossed way back when? Maybe it was stashed in the short hood!
 
Now, wonder where the H16-44 will wind up...it REALLY needs TLC! Although, it is nice to look at it and know, it still wears(barely) the same paint as it did in all the pics we drool over!
Posted by: Balto Posted on: May 27th, 2009, 7:16pm
on May 27th, 2009, 3:28pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Now, wonder where the H16-44 will wind up...it REALLY needs TLC! Although, it is nice to look at it and know, it still wears(barely) the same paint as it did in all the pics we drool over!

 
Ya, here's a link to a recent picture of it.
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=279806
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 6th, 2009, 1:28am
on Apr 19th, 2007, 2:21am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is 1070 now SRY of BC 1204. In it's new livery for the SRY. On April 11, 2007.

 
 
They should bring this one over to the island and send one of the geeps back!!
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 6th, 2009, 1:43am
on Apr 22nd, 2007, 9:42pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is 3001 behind 3012. On April 22, 2007.

#3001 must have been a very reliable locomotive to still wear its original paint!
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 6th, 2009, 3:48pm
Nope, 3001 has had at least 4 paintjobs, possibly 5 by now. The one in that pic would have been the 4th. Some of the GP38AC's have had even more. 3007 and 3009 have for sure each had about 6 or more. There doesn't seem to be alot of ryhme or reason to what was painted when.  3007 managed to get almost every paint job that has existed, while others are still running around in pre 1987 paint.
 
 
8000 was retired in Script, as far as I know.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jun 6th, 2009, 9:38pm
on Jun 6th, 2009, 1:28am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
They should bring this one over to the island and send one of the geeps back!!

 
From a historical aspect I would agree with you, but do you really want to stick the poor crew with that thing? Historical value aside, they're horrible engines. Cramped cabs, narrow walkways and doors,and bad vibration. They're also very top heavy, and on the poor track conditions on the E&N they would throw those guys around the cab.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 9:51am
that many paint jobs but all the same scheme? why change a good thing
Cramped isle ways and top heavy are no good. what about an SD would the 6 axles evenly distribute more weight or are they to heavy?  
I have alot of pictures of 4 motor geeps! LOL  
For some reason my layout is powered by 4 motor geeps aswell.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 1:33pm
on Jun 8th, 2009, 9:51am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
that many paint jobs but all the same scheme? why change a good thing
Cramped isle ways and top heavy are no good. what about an SD would the 6 axles evenly distribute more weight or are they to heavy?  
I have alot of pictures of 4 motor geeps! LOL  
For some reason my layout is powered by 4 motor geeps aswell.

 
 
The Geeps are best suited for the E&N, there's a reason CP used them for 30 years. I've heard the SD's are too long to negotiate the curves. Though not all SD's are too heavy, SD40-2's, SD70's, etc are too heavy, way too heavy but an SD9 would be light enough. However the stresses of the big 3 axle trucks trying to take a curve would roll the rail over.
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 2:34pm
on Jun 8th, 2009, 1:33pm, bcr4604 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
The Geeps are best suited for the E&N, there's a reason CP used them for 30 years. I've heard the SD's are too long to negotiate the curves. Though not all SD's are too heavy, SD40-2's, SD70's, etc are too heavy, way too heavy but an SD9 would be light enough. However the stresses of the big 3 axle trucks trying to take a curve would roll the rail over.

 
I know that when PAW was running back in 2000-2001, some of their coaches were three axle, and the rail on the Malahat took a beating as a result. Hard to say what would have happened had they continued for more than one season.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 2:46pm
on Jun 8th, 2009, 9:51am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
that many paint jobs but all the same scheme? why change a good thing
Cramped isle ways and top heavy are no good. what about an SD would the 6 axles evenly distribute more weight or are they to heavy?  
I have alot of pictures of 4 motor geeps! LOL  
For some reason my layout is powered by 4 motor geeps aswell.

 
 
3001 has for sure worn the original 5" stripe with large Multimark, 8" with large multimark, 8" with small, and no MM. I think it's in the the new scheme now, and it may have even worn the 5" with the odd really small MM from 1975..so as you can see, it wasn't all the same! I do believe that the first order of GP38AC's was the first power delivered in action red.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 4:58pm
on Jun 8th, 2009, 2:34pm, CN7059 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I know that when PAW was running back in 2000-2001, some of their coaches were three axle, and the rail on the Malahat took a beating as a result. Hard to say what would have happened had they continued for more than one season.

 
I remember that, just about ground the flanges off the wheels as well if I recall correctly. I'm surprised they never rolled a rail.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 8th, 2009, 11:28pm
This website is great! I thought i was one of a few railheads but i guess i'm just another member thanks for the info.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 10th, 2009, 10:42pm
new west may 2007 gp38ac #3005 my own picture
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Jun 10th, 2009, 11:06pm
on Jun 10th, 2009, 10:42pm, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
new west may 2007 gp38ac #3005 my own picture

 
Nice pic, and welcome to the board  
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jun 11th, 2009, 3:24am
on Jun 8th, 2009, 2:46pm, missthealcos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 I do believe that the first order of GP38AC's was the first power delivered in action red.

I could be off, but I believe that the second delivery of MLW/Alcos (M-630) were the first delivered in the Action Red scheme in late 1967/early 1968 - road number 4508?
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 11th, 2009, 2:51pm
The first order of M630's is also my inclanation, but I have seen evidence to the contrary. The first order was built in 1969.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jun 12th, 2009, 10:48pm
Looks like the ol'3870 was hit by taggers in its new home in California.
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=287145&nseq=52
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jun 13th, 2009, 3:31pm
Friggin parasites, the graffitti on equipment is getting way out of hand. Getting difficult to find any equipment that isn't tagged like that. I'll refrain from saying what I think should be done to them. Years ago it was the odd, usually amusing political statement. Now it's ridiculous. They also seem to favour freshly painted equipment! Also notice the cage around the horns..anti theft I guess...apparently it's a big deal down there.
 
Hmm, perhaps it should start when the group of moronic little #@$%# show up at the checkout of the local hardware store etc, with a pile of Spray paint!
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jun 17th, 2009, 5:37pm
Hey, I just realized this year marks the 60th anniversary of the E&N's dieselization.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Jul 10th, 2009, 7:49pm
2099 lives! She's up and running in her new home on the Puget Sound and Pacific.
http://www.railroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=243352#post243352
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2009, 3:32am
Two ex-E&N Locomotives on the Puget Sound and Pacific.  
 
3876http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/60685
3877http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/43894
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 4th, 2009, 11:27am
There is at least one CP steam locomotive out there that used to run on the Island.  D10g 926 is at the Canada Science and Technology Museum in Ottawa.  My son and I got to see it when we were back east this summer.  It's hard to get a good picture as she is in one corner of the display hall, next to a Newfoundland Railway official car.  This is about the best shot I could manage--a front-end shot is virtually impossible, at least with my camera.  There is a good picture of this engine at Parksville in West of the Great Divide, p. 227
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Sep 4th, 2009, 11:05pm
thats really cool thanks for the reference, I have my robert turner books right behind the computer just for such ocacsions Its really good to know that part of the E&N steam power is preserved some where safe.
Posted by: endivisioncrha Posted on: Sep 9th, 2009, 9:03pm
September 2, 2009
 
 
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
 
Heritage Coming Home
 
 
 
COWICHAN – The long awaited return of the Mayo Lumber Company Shay locomotive No. 3 will finally return to the Cowichan Valley on September 17th, at approximately 8:00 a.m.   The BC Forest Discovery Centre has been working on the return since November of last year.  With plans, finances, donations, and the display site prepared the locomotive is set to return after a 14 year-long loan to the Kettle Valley Railway.  
 
 
 
Bringing this steam locomotive back to Cowichan is the first step in creating a permanent steam exhibit at the BC Forest Discovery Centre.  The Centre boasts a collection of seven steam locomotives: one fully operational and certified; two operational but not certified; one scheduled for restoration and three non-operational locomotives.  
 
 
 
The Mayo #3 was sent to Kettle Valley in 1995.  This loan was to be for three, or up to five years until the Kettle Valley Society could acquire their own locomotive.  The Kettle Valley Railway operated the Mayo #3 far beyond the anticipated five years as they were unable to acquire a suitable locomotive of their own.  However, today, they are operating their own locomotive and have stored away the Mayo #3 and no longer maintain certification.
 
 
 
To find out more about the BC Forest Discovery Centre and the collection of steam locomotives visit the website at www.discoveryforest.com
 
 
 
-30-
 
 
 
Contact:      Vicki Holman, Manager
 
Phone: (250)715-1113 ext. 24
 
Cel:   (250)715-6854
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:14am
6130 at Yarmouth, NS on the DAR. http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Gerryputzsept82-4.jpg
 

Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Oct 4th, 2009, 3:24am
6135(as CP 9072) at Yarmouth, NS on the DAR http://www.dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Image:CPR9072_Yarmouth_August_1978.jpg
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 5th, 2009, 9:09pm
southbound, lantzville, begining of march 2009
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:17am
Found this on Trainorders, 3809 in Cali.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:58am
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:17am, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Found this on Trainorders, 3809 in Cali.

Warm sun, less rain and new paint!
 
She's looking happy in her new home?
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:59am
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:17am, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Found this on Trainorders, 3809 in Cali.

Pretty cool old style wig wag crossing signal....
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 9:29am
I can't wait untill the art of spraypainting locomotives and rail cars goes away. Its really not cool.
Posted by: CN7303 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 2:31pm
A moving canvas is too much of a draw. If you bomb a building only people who are in the city see your "work". If you bomb a rail car or a Locomotive, chances are pretty good that your "tag" will move across the country. Definitely an illegal act of vandalism, but I can see the motive behind it.
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 3:44pm
on Jun 8th, 2009, 4:58pm, bcr4604 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I remember that, just about ground the flanges off the wheels as well if I recall correctly. I'm surprised they never rolled a rail.

 
 
Especially with Ross Rowland doing 50 MPH through View Royal.
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 3:45pm
6148. Joeseph Testagrose photo.
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 5:06pm
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 3:44pm, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Especially with Ross Rowland doing 50 MPH through View Royal.

 
 
Do you remember when he bottomed out just as he entered a crossing, and bent the pilot under the front of the loci? They had to cut the pilot over each rail, so it would clear, and he scraped every crossing on the way back to the yard.
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 5:21pm
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 5:06pm, CN7059 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Do you remember when he bottomed out just as he entered a crossing, and bent the pilot under the front of the loci? They had to cut the pilot over each rail, so it would clear, and he scraped every crossing on the way back to the yard.

 
I think it was the Humpback Rd crossing at the 10.7 mile.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 7:51pm
For those of us who haven't a clue what you're talking about, care to share the story/details?
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 8:19pm
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 7:51pm, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)
For those of us who haven't a clue what you're talking about, care to share the story/details?

 
If you ever drive cross the tracks on Humback Road, you'll see huge gashes cut into the ashphault. The Pacific Wilderness Rwy. train with CEO Ross Rowland(who often was speeding) at the controls hit the crossing doing 3x track speed over that crossing. The pilot on the lead engine hit the ashphault and was bent up underneath the locomotive, they had to cut it free. He also did 50 MPH through Langford and Colwood.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 29th, 2009, 10:10pm
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 2:31pm, CN7303 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A moving canvas is too much of a draw. If you bomb a building only people who are in the city see your "work". If you bomb a rail car or a Locomotive, chances are pretty good that your "tag" will move across the country. Definitely an illegal act of vandalism, but I can see the motive behind it.

 
 
I can appreciate a good "bombing" but how is scribbling some words in code an art? Ive seen lots of really cool looking art on the side of a hopper or boxcar and  I don't mind it. Really what gets me is the messy writing its very unapealing. Maybe If I wore my hat backwards with stickers on it and listened to "50 cent" while I pulled up my baggy pants i would get it.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Oct 29th, 2009, 10:50pm
on Oct 23rd, 2009, 8:19pm, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
If you ever drive cross the tracks on Humback Road, you'll see huge gashes cut into the ashphault. The Pacific Wilderness Rwy. train with CEO Ross Rowland(who often was speeding) at the controls hit the crossing doing 3x track speed over that crossing. The pilot on the lead engine hit the ashphault and was bent up underneath the locomotive, they had to cut it free. He also did 50 MPH through Langford and Colwood.

 
Wow. That, is foolish.
 
What is track speed at that crossing? 15mph?
 
Aren't the crossing circuits set up for the track speed?
Wouldn't exceeding the limit by a factor of three jepordize the safety of the passengers and crew on board, as well as the general public at grade crossings?
 
Was it him at the controls that ground the edges off the rails over the Malahat, and not simply the wheelbase of the passenger car trucks that was at fault?
 
 
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Oct 30th, 2009, 12:02am
on Oct 29th, 2009, 10:50pm, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow. That, is foolish.
 
What is track speed at that crossing? 15mph?
 
Aren't the crossing circuits set up for the track speed?
Wouldn't exceeding the limit by a factor of three jepordize the safety of the passengers and crew on board, as well as the general public at grade crossings?
 
Was it him at the controls that ground the edges off the rails over the Malahat, and not simply the wheelbase of the passenger car trucks that was at fault?
 
 

 
Most crossings have "predictor" circuits that guage how fast the train is moving and activate the signals based on the train's speed, that said, the crossing signals have to be active for 20 seconds before the train gets to the crossing.  
 
Regarding the speed I think it was more of a "controlled runaway" thing . I doubt Ross knew the territory very well. I believe it was the 6-axle cars on those curves. Those suckers were heavy too, heavier than what the CPR used in the days before the RDC's.
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Oct 30th, 2009, 12:23am
on Oct 30th, 2009, 12:02am, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Most crossings have "predictor" circuits that guage how fast the train is moving and activate the signals based on the train's speed, that said, the crossing signals have to be active for 20 seconds before the train gets to the crossing.  
 
Regarding the speed I think it was more of a "controlled runaway" thing . I doubt Ross knew the territory very well. I believe it was the 6-axle cars on those curves. Those suckers were heavy too, heavier than what the CPR used in the days before the RDC's.

 
Yes, newer crossings do have predictor circuits to gauge the speed of the approaching train. However, I'm not so sure that the ones on the E&N do. If you look at the way they have the track circuits set up on many E&N crossings... the sections of line that are slower, simply have shorter track circuits before (and after) the crossings (not counting the standard shorter circuit at the crossing itself).
 
Also, predictor circuits will switch the crossing off (temporarily) if the train comes to a standstill. I haven't observed this happening on the E&N (yet).  
 
As to Humpback Rd., why is the speed limit only 15mph? There are no sharp curves there. I've observed the RDC just south of the crossing last year (inbound) and it was travelling quite fast (by E&N standards).
 
 
Posted by: capt Posted on: Dec 14th, 2009, 7:33pm
came across this well going through some of my old pic
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Dec 14th, 2009, 10:36pm
on Oct 30th, 2009, 12:23am, Speeder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
 
Also, predictor circuits will switch the crossing off (temporarily) if the train comes to a standstill. I haven't observed this happening on the E&N (yet).  
 
 

 
I have, at the Goldstream/Veterans Memorial Parkway xing, the crossings near the Nanaimo station, the Catherine Ave crossing just north of the roundhouse to name a few.
Posted by: enr3004 Posted on: Dec 16th, 2009, 12:45pm
Here are some pics of where 110 has been.



Not bad history.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Dec 16th, 2009, 1:39pm
Too bad they chopped her.  
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Dec 31st, 2009, 7:43pm
The twins in action in their new sunny California home.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj-dZ3ENrrQ
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jan 11th, 2010, 6:42pm
Came across a negative today showing the beginning of the end for Action Red on Vancouver Island.  Did a quick search and didn't find the 3005 in green already posted under this subject.
 
If it has posted elsewhere, pardon the old news.  (March 17, 1996)
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jan 11th, 2010, 9:30pm
post # 10 on page 15 shows number 3005 in all green with Canadian Pacific Block letters on the side.  
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jan 11th, 2010, 11:18pm
on Jan 11th, 2010, 9:30pm, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
post # 10 on page 15 shows number 3005 in all green with Canadian Pacific Block letters on the side.  

Thanks!
Thought for sure I had seen one somewhere.  Hate to admit it, but I would have flunked the test if someone asked me if there was more than one version of the green paint scheme!
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Jan 12th, 2010, 2:11pm
There's actually 3! even when first painted green, 3004 and 3005 weren't the same.
Posted by: enr3004 Posted on: Jul 5th, 2010, 6:24pm
From what I hear this unit spent some time on the rock...now it sits in a dead line outside Moosejaw.  








Posted by: CN7303 Posted on: Jul 6th, 2010, 12:26am
on Jul 5th, 2010, 6:24pm, enr3004 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
From what I hear this unit spent some time on the rock...now it sits in a dead line outside Moosejaw.  


 
Now that would be a perfect peice for an island heritage collection. I know the island's railways have had varied equipment in all sorts of colours, but theres something about an SW unit in Multimark that just says E&N. Maybe I'm just biased towards end cab units.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Jul 27th, 2010, 12:35am
6135 in Halifax before it went to the E&N.  
 
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=14460&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
 
6130 in Halifax.
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=66411&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Jul 27th, 2010, 12:48am
CN 1001 at Thornton
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=46200
 
1002  
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=61982
 
1003
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=46205&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Aug 10th, 2010, 3:35pm
The Deuce is 100 years old.  
 
An event is being held at the display site in Courtenay Friday August 13 starting at 10 AM to commemorate Comox Logging & Railway Company #2's first century.  Sounds like the organizers are trying to attract ex employees and others who are familiar with the locomotive.  The author of "Island Timber", a social history of the company, and its sequel "Mountain Timber" will be attending.  
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Aug 14th, 2010, 1:35am
on Aug 10th, 2010, 3:35pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The Deuce is 100 years old.

 
All dressed up and nowhere to go.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Oct 26th, 2010, 12:59am
3 former Esquimalt and Nanaimo Rwy units(2099, 3876 and 3877) on a Puget Sound and Pacific Railroad train.  
 
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/64404/ppuser/11428
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 11:48am
I found three E. Plant pictures from the Hutchinson-Mathews collection I picked up years ago.  They were taken in Vancouver but they were island engines over the years.  This one was taken Jan 29 1949.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 11:50am
Jan  29, 1949 Vancouver. BC.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 11:54am
August 29, 1951 Vancouver BC
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 1:02pm
on Feb 17th, 2011, 11:48am, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I found three E. Plant pictures from the Hutchinson-Mathews collection I picked up years ago.  They were taken in Vancouver but they were island engines over the years.  This one was taken Jan 29 1949.

 
Interesting! Do they have a cover over the front grille/radiator? They certainly look a bit different from the late 1950's and early 1960's at the front end.
 
I don't think 7072 (and the other 7070's) came to the Island until the early 1960's, when CP started logging their own timber in the Cowichan Lake area and hauling it by rail to Ladysmith.
 
Will
Posted by: novabus9228 Posted on: Feb 18th, 2011, 3:05pm
I am in the process of cleaning out my Novabus youtube account and have transfered 2 videos to my ViRailway account.
 
#6133 video taken in 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT1AUShbhDM
 
Southern Rail #124 and #129
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Rtkkb5jgU
 
Both videos were taken using a very cheap quality camera. Actualy my first camera with a video option.   But you get the Picture.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Jun 25th, 2011, 12:39am
6135 at Peterborough, ON.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/CPR_Trenton/VIA_6135_6215.jpg
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Jun 25th, 2011, 11:55pm
I see the VIRL 7059 is up for sale .... for $156K.
 
http://www.sterlingrail.com/classifieds/classified.php?id=1816
 
Also for sale are 3 WP&YR Alco locomotives on the same website.
 
Will
Posted by: David_Kemper_UK Posted on: Aug 26th, 2011, 6:30pm
This photo was posted by Bud Laws in APBR recently.
 
Apparently taken in Victoria, date unknown.
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Aug 26th, 2011, 11:08pm
The water tower in the background says:
 
C.P.(S)?or(R)?
Lumber
Reta?...
Posted by: farronhill Posted on: Aug 27th, 2011, 12:36am
That would be Canadian Puget Sound Lumber Retail ...
 
The photo appears to be taken at the old freight house in the Victoria Albion yard, so the tank would be at the sawmill once located beside the current Capital Iron.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Aug 27th, 2011, 8:39pm
Wow, there's actually a live cow or two in downtown Victoria....back in the day!
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2012, 11:10pm
Found this in the March issue of Canadian Railway Observerations
 
VIA RDC-1 6135 is currently stored unserviceable in Sudbury, ON, after arriving in Sudbury in mid-December where Diesel Electric Services discovered major coolant leaks and one engine seized. The other VIA RDC-1 6148, is fully operational but had also arrived from Toronto with major coolant leaks, which are now repaired.  It may be while on Vancouver Island or while stored in Vancouver, these Budd cars were not drained properly.  VIA RDC-1 6135 is now on the storage track at Sudbury, ON and may become a source for parts.
Posted by: VI Railfan Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:19pm
Hi all, Its been a long time since I last Posted, Due to the total lack of traffic up in the Parksville Area. However I was down at Wellcox near the end of March and did finally get a chance to take some pictures of #128.   I do not go down to Nanaimo that often anymore, certainly not at the same time the train is switching at Superior Propane.  
 
I am happy that We Finally got Funding for the rail Line and look Forward to rail service been Fully Restored.
 
Anyway Here is a link to my pictures of #128.
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/567050367RkknLi?start=12
 
 
Found a recent video of Our 6148 at Cartier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_GbLgDdhA&list=HL1334776676&feature=mh_lolz
 
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: May 4th, 2012, 5:00pm
Three former E&N Railway locomotives on the Puget Sound and Pacific RR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5N3N_1Jkc
 
Two former E&N Railway locomotives working for Coos Bay Rail Link. These are the same 3876-77 that were on the E&N during RailAmerica's first few years, they've had their high hoods chopped.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iI-ZdHSOCw
Posted by: VI Railfan Posted on: May 10th, 2012, 5:20pm
Southern Rail #129
 
I found a video of #129 in Helena Montana taken in 1998.  Since #129 along with #124 replaced #110 and #119 on the Island for a short time not too long ago I figure it Qualifies.    
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yAcgbUZIdk&list=UUwrFF-wHVQr8gci429RxH-g&index=7&feature=plcp
 
 124 makes a appearance at the 1:46 mark.
 
 
Bonus Video From Helena:
 
I was in Helena in August of 2010 while attending A First Special Service Force Reunion which my Great Uncle was in.  While waiting for the Bus to come home I had some spare time to Railfan and here is a video I took of A BNSF Coal Train.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5TK_BuJkMQ&list=UUx9kgay-vvATOAnkTdeFPrw&index=1&feature=plcp
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: May 28th, 2012, 12:09am
119 back in service out of Trapp yard  
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37908073@N04/7264153896/in/contacts/
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jun 19th, 2012, 4:32am
on Oct 19th, 2008, 12:19am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
It sure is!  The above photo and the one under "Canfor's diesel shay", Reply 12, are from the same group of slides.  Pretty sure they were taken the same day.

 
Well what ever it was, it was greasy when it was parked at Beaver Cove.
The kind of grease a kid should not go home with, but could not get rid of once curiosity got him and ...well the other should not be mentioned because she may have gotten away with it..to climb aboard. Hey we were only 7 ?
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Jun 19th, 2012, 3:02pm
on Aug 27th, 2011, 12:36am, farronhill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That would be Canadian Puget Sound Lumber Retail ...
 
The photo appears to be taken at the old freight house in the Victoria Albion yard, so the tank would be at the sawmill once located beside the current Capital Iron.

 
That is correct
In October, 1919, the Connor company became interested in the Canadian Puget Sound Lumber and Timber Co. Mr. Kissinger received a wire offering him a job as manager of the company's Victoria mill and logging operation. Then the depression hit. Markets dwindled, prices fell. In 1931, the mill closed down.
Logging resumed under the Canadian Puget Sound name, and the firm was bought in 1946 by Alaska Pine and Cellulose Co. John D Kissinger remained with that company until he retired, five years ago, at the age of 70. In Mr. Kissinger's time, the company was one of the first to make extensive use of logging trucks.
The CPS manager also wore several other hats: Manager, Island Logging Co. and Vancouver Island Towing Co; managing director, Island Land and Insurance Agencies, Ltd; director, Crofton Blooming Co. and Cowichan Bay Booming Association. He was president of the Canadian Puget Sound Basketball Club.  
Island Logging Company's operations were centred at a small lake west of Cowichan Lake and it bears John D.'s name to this day (2012) as Kissinger Lake.
 
 
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Sep 4th, 2012, 12:42pm

6135 in Toronto
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2gdmu/7850975830/in/pool-1057379@N20/
 
6148 in Toronto, it says 6149, but the 6100's ended at 6148.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2gdmu/7850980170/in/pool-1057379@N20/
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Sep 10th, 2012, 10:27pm
1001 and 1002 on the Cascade and Columbia River Railroad. 1001 spent a few years on the E&N and the 1002 was rejected by the E&N before it arrived. Unknown photographer.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 7th, 2013, 6:15pm
Ex-CN 7059 at New Westminster last night (June 6) in an outbound CN freight, with JLCX reporting marks.
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Aug 6th, 2013, 3:51pm
Here's the rebirth of a pretty unique little locomotive!
 
http://www.albernivalleynews.com/community/218466671.html
 
"Buda locomotive back on tracks at Alberni Pacific Railway"
 
 
By Contributed - Alberni Valley News
Published: August 05, 2013 11:00 PM  
Updated: August 05, 2013 11:48 PM
On Saturday , Aug. 3, 2013, Harbour Quay Farmer's Market-goers saw the Industrial Heritage Society at work at the Station Water Tower, putting the 1928 “Buda” locomotive back on the tracks at the Port Alberni Train Station.
 
The 'Buda” had spent the past year in the Industrial Heritage Centre, where it received extensive restoration work, including a new paint job.
 
The little gas locomotive was built by Westminster Iron Works for the R.B. McLean Lumber Company to move rail cars around the mill site and prepare shipments onto the main CPR line.  It also moved logs from the woods to the Mill Only two such locomotives were built and this is the only surviving one.
 
It is now on display for the month of August on the spur beside the Station, along with a "crummy” -  a wooden boxcar once used to transport loggers to their work in the forests. The crummy belonged  to “Victoria Lumber & Manufacturing” - a predecessor company to “Macmillan-Bloedel” - which had logging camps and a big sawmill on the east side of Vancouver Island.
 
— Submitted by David Hooper, IHS volunteer
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: Aug 6th, 2013, 9:52pm
Funny looking creatures they built back then.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Aug 19th, 2013, 3:11pm
We were in Alberni last week and have photos and video-to-prove-it.
The bottom picture is from a Youtube video which shows nothing really . . .
What is happening to the Buda is anyone's guess
Alberni Pacific Railway & McLean Steam Mill  -- 90-seconds
 
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Aug 20th, 2013, 1:24am
I believe what I heard from the APR/WIHS folks a year or so ago was that they wanted to restore the track that the Budda was stitting on up at the Mill all that time, (it is right beside the spur that the train comes up to the Mill on and rebuild the shed that was near crumbling around it as it was sitting there...  
 
If that is true it will take them some time to gather the materials together especially to lay down the track nice and proper I'd imagine.  But who knows.  Those guys tend to work miracles.
 
In the meantime I bet they won't want to keep the Budda in the rain over winter so maybe they will hoist it back up onto a trailer and put it in their rebuild facility in the old arena.  
 
Maybe someone from the WCIHS can chime in and correct my inevitable wrongs.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Aug 20th, 2013, 12:41pm
Sounds good to me. I phoned the station yesterday and left a message but no call back.
This morning a cyber-buddy who lives in PA contacted me so maybe he can find out something.
To get reliable intel one needs boots-on-the-ground  
Bill
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Jul 14th, 2014, 10:35pm
At the Crofton pulp mill, Catalyst Paper 1501 pushing a string of flat cars up the grade from the lower yard to the mill complex. I've always wondered how steep this grade is, anybody know? Photo taken July 6, 2014.
 
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Oct 11th, 2014, 11:49pm
The Cowichan News Leader website has a somewhat grainy photo of CN GMD-1 1000 slowing down as it goes through Lake Cowichan on its last run to Youbou in March, 1988.
 
http://www.cowichannewsleader.com/news/
 
Will MacKenzie
Flamborough, ON
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Jun 22nd, 2015, 11:03am
The last island RDCs at the TMC in Mimico. 6148 looking a bit threadbare inside. Both cars are open to the elements and sound like they have something living in the roof. At least six RDCs are stored at the TMC. I understand that the ownership of some of them is uncertain.
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Jun 22nd, 2015, 11:05am
Interior 6148 May 27 2015 at TMC.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Aug 15th, 2016, 2:26pm
Came across these while going through my collection.  I picked them up at a train show some years ago and have no idea who took them, or of the dates they were taken.  Here's 6621, which showed up earlier in the thread, this time at Victoria.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Aug 15th, 2016, 2:31pm
Not the best picture I have of 6572, but I like the context, with the old apartment buildings in the background, the speeder shed, the switch stand and the crew members on the engine.  Not sure, but that may be Les Smith riding the footboard.