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Posted by: enr3004 Posted on: Apr 5th, 2004, 8:52pm
I was up there this winter and things are looking pretty sad there they are only using 1 or 2 units the other 2 have tarps on them.  This was taken last winter.  I work for Timber West Elk Falls and from what I hear the Raiway wotn be running for too long, they recieve a 500 000 grant from the goverment and word is that it might be getting taken away.  So go see it while you can!
Posted by: ENR3005 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 12:51am
Those pictures sure bring back memories of my trips to Port Hardy as kid back when I lived in Campbell River. Thanks for the great pics KVR_Fan  
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 2:10am
on Apr 5th, 2004, 8:52pm, enr3004 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 I work for Timber West Elk Falls and from what I hear the Raiway wotn be running for too long

 
That's interesting. I was up there a couple summers ago scouting the location for a possible video shoot for a project we're working on, and got a ride in a hi-rail along most of the line. The guy who showed me around said that they had considered getting rid of the railway and commisioned a study and it came back saying that using rail was half the cost of trucking. They have poured alot of money into the line over the past few years including some fairly major rock cuts to realign the track so I'd be surprised if they were to abandon it though if the supply of logs is dwindling then maybe that is the reason?
 
Cheers.
 
J\
 
 
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 2:11am
Oh, also thought I'd mention that when I was there, they were only running two units, the ones that had been rebuilt with Cat engines so perhaps two units is the normal operation?
 
J\
Posted by: BC_and_A_railway Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 9:37pm
Awesome pics logging trains are always cool looking!
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2005, 1:14am
Any ideas out there as to Canfor's current operations?
Posted by: BC_and_A_railway Posted on: Jan 15th, 2005, 5:36pm
Also what kind of Caboose is that I never seen one like that All I know is thats its neat looking
Posted by: caboose9 Posted on: Jan 16th, 2005, 3:53pm
BC&A Railway said, "What kind of caboose is that?"
 
 
Hi,
 
In the US that would likely be classed as a transfer caboose.
 
Cheers, Roger
Posted by: BC_and_A_railway Posted on: Jan 16th, 2005, 4:03pm
Thanks Roger
 
 
BC&A RR
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jan 16th, 2005, 7:20pm
I think he term is "home built".  When stuck in the middle of nowhere (as 99% or logging railways were), if you needed something and didn't have it, you simply made it.
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2005, 5:58pm
on Jan 14th, 2005, 12:05am, KVR Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also, rumour has it that an attempt to aquire Canfor's steam engine in Woss was made by the Kettle Valley steam operation people in Summerland.  Canfor rejected their offer and the steamer remains on the Island.  No word as to what Canfor is going to do with it yet.  I suspect they may still do some very limited action with it during summertime (employee family outings, etc).

 
The Kettle Valley Steam Railway (which I'm a member of) isn't the only group that's intersted or was interested in acquiring the #113. The Western Vancouver Island Industrial Heritage Society in Port Alberni is interested in obtaining it since it used to be Alberni Pacific #6. The Prince George Railway and Forestry Museum is also interested in obtaining it and the mueseum is supported by Canfor. Ross Rowland, who was trying to get Pacific Wilderness Railway going out of Victoria, was interested in it for use on the PWR. I've heard various rumours about the locomotive and the rumour that I've heard the most is that Canfor is willing to give it to a group that would operate it but the people that live in Woss don't want to give it up.
 
I went to Woss this past August and couldn't believe the condition that it was in. I was there 5 years prior and I couldn't believe how much it deteriorated in those 5 years. It really made me mad so I decided that some action is necessary to save the engine. I've already made a presentation last September to the newly formed BC Council of Heritage Railway Socities (which I'm a founding member of) and everybody seemed keen on taking on the project of saving the engine. During my reading break (I'm a full time college student) in February I'll be putting a small website together with the photos that I took of #113. What really bugs me is, if the people of Woss like the engine so much, why don't they take proper care of it?
 
As for getting it operational for rides again, it will need some work for that to happen. Lagging would have to come off and the boiler would have to be inspected. I noticed that the wash plugs were still in place so who knows how much water was sitting in the boiler for the last 10 years that it's been out of service.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:30am
I was in Woss today (December 20th 2005) and managed to wedge some railfanning into my travel for work.
 
I had my usual amount of luck when railfanning on Vancouver Island.  In other words it poured rain and there were no trains running.....arrgh.  It appears the railway has taken an early Christmas break.
 
Anyways, I had fun regardless and got some pics I wouldn't have otherwise if the operation was in full swing.
 
The word is the Canfor Englewood Division railway appears in very good health.   The line looks fantastic.  The rails have a full polish (even on the sidings), there are hundreds of cars waiting at all sidings and reloads (some loaded and some not) , the ballast is spotless, and perhaps every sixth tye has been replaced with a modern rot-proof steel tye.   Many of the wooden tyes also appear like-new.  Even in the deepest parts of the woods the steel tyes are everywhere and the ballast looks scrubbed clean.
 
My first visit to the Canfor loggin railway leaves me amazed at how many log cars they have and the scope of the operation.  There cars must number in the hundreds.  This railway is truly a cut-log pipeline on rails.  I hope to catch the action one day.
 
I am going to post quite a few pics.  I will post them geographically, in the order I took them, from Beaver Cove to the end of my 'fanning at Woss.   This is the direction empty cars would travel back towards the Vernon reload after dumping in tidewater.    
 
All photos were taken on the same day so all equipment you see is placed around the railway all at the same time.  This gives a good sense of the size of the operation.  Keep in mind I only scoped out half of the railway with the line south of Woss to the Vernon reload not photographed.
 
I find it ironic that on Vancouver Island the passengers and Hazmat travel on the lumpy-rotted-tye-nightmare-held-together-with-Scotch-broom E and N and the logs travel on a class 1.   The money's in the logs!
 
The first pic:   Log dump at Beaver Cove
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:35am
Putting the logs in the water
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:36am
loaded cars at Beaver Cover
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:38am
A caboose at Beaver Cove on the Canadian Forest Products Englewood Logging Division Railway
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:41am
A mind boggling string of log flats on the siding at Beaver Cove.  Anyone know how many of these cars Canfor has?
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:43am
Here is a pic up in the woods above Nimpkish lake.   The line looks well maintained.   A close look will reveal the steel ties amongst the wood ones.  Look for the sprung rail clamps.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:46am
This section of ballast was bright white with crushed quartz.  Ballast can be exciting when there are no trains!
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:48am
The Storey Creek bridge.   The bridge is dual-service for trucks and trains.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:49am
Dual service deck of the Storey creek bridge:
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:51am
These next photos are at the Nimpkish spur where there seems to be carshops and and engine shop.   In addition there is the #303, several crew cars, log flats, and a ballast regulator stored there.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:53am
The 303 at Nimpkish.   The engine is tarped but looks serviceable.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:55am
Two self-powered crew cars, and crew wagon, and a ballast regulator at Nimpkish camp.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:56am
It would be cool to see the crew cars out on the road.    The chain drive looks goofy but simple and effective.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 2:58am
I found two strings of cars placed at Siding 3.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:00am
A switch at siding 3 constructed fully of steel ties.   The E and N could sure use something like these ties.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:03am
The next pics are at the 'Camp A' reload spur.   I wouldn't have got anywhere near this on a working day.
 
First pic: rails and logs
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:05am
The A-frame crane used for transfering logs from trucks to the train.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:06am
Another pic of the crane
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:07am
For the details.   Note the cable securing the car during loading.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:09am
One more of the crane
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:10am
A water car on the Wye at Camp A
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:12am
Loaded logging cars on the other leg of the Wye from the water car.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:14am
Ballast cars at Camp A.   They must of been barged to Beaver Cove from their glory days on CN.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:16am
I encountered yet another parked train at Siding 6.   Caboose, cars, but no engines.
 
More and more log flats.............they are everywhere up here!
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:20am
Yet another caboose at Woss with crew car in the background.   The steam engine was rusting away close by but it was getting late and I had to hit the road.   I never saw the diesels.   They were either indoors in the engine shop (I didn't take a picture) at Nimpkish camp, or they were out at Vernon, or they passed me by.   The office looked very closed and no-one seemed to be working anywhere.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:27am
Well,
 
The Canfor Englewood Logging Division logging railway as found on December 20th, 2005.   An awesome sight.   I will be back up sometime to have another look, and will be hoping to see it all in motion.
 
It definitely looks like it is still going strong.
 
A final pic:    Detail of steel ties.   A great idea for our soggy weather.   I wonder if they ride rough?
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:36am
I thought I'd repost this map kindly posted by KVR Fan so it is handy.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 11:49am
Definately some great shots and you're right, the condition of the line puts the E&N to shame. According to the worker I rode with a few years back, track conditions used to be much worse with frequent derailments and the company had to essentially decide to either refurbish the line or rip it out. Obviously they decided to maintain it.  
 
I'm hoping to get my video of the line, along with the Port Sub, edited and available early in the New Year.
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 3:55pm
I'm sure most of you know already, but Canfor has sold its Englewood Logging Division to Western Forest Products. This is part of an arrangement between Canfor, Western Forest Products and Japans' Oji Paper Canada. Excellent pictures by the way.  http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/December2005/15/c1332.html
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Dec 21st, 2005, 9:31pm
on Dec 21st, 2005, 3:55pm, FSD8014 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm sure most of you know already, but Canfor has sold its Englewood Logging Division to Western Forest Products. This is part of an arrangement between Canfor, Western Forest Products and Japans' Oji Paper Canada. Excellent pictures by the way.  http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/December2005/15/c1332.html

 
Anybody kow how this is going to effect the future status of both steam locos, the #113 and the #112?
 
Here's my website about #113 and also has some photos of the #112 as well:
http://members.shaw.ca/SteamLoco113/
 
If any of you are at Beaver Cove when the tide is low, it's worth walking around on the beach as there are a few Shay loco wheels and other parts lying about that were used as anchors. Also, just around the corner towards Telegraph Cove are the remains of Beaver Cove Lumber & Pulp Shay #6. I have a couple of photos on my website:  
 
http://members.shaw.ca/preservedsteambc/forgotten_bc_locis.htm
 
Scroll down to the third listing on that webpage to see the two pics of the Shay.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 12:05am
I believe the ownership changes in January. It might be worth asking about them again then. In other words, I dont really know.
Posted by: Bear_Creek Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 10:35pm
Cody;
Wonderful shots, thank you
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 11:54pm
I'm glad you guys didn't mind a few photos of ballast, ties, and log cars.   I'll post a couple more for those interested.
 
Here is another shot from a spot I found access to the ROW above Nimpkish Lake.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2005, 11:56pm
Here is another shot of the crew cars at Nimpkish Camp showing the difference in the Yellow crew car and the near-new condition of the ballast regulator.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2005, 12:00am
A detail of a log flat at siding three.   The rivet and boiler plate construction dates this car to be and old one.   It's been a while since someone riveted anything like this together.
 
I think it is a really cool mix of cars.  There seems to be a nearly equal number of log flat cars and skeleton type cars on the road.   There were probably purchased at different times.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2005, 12:04am
A final pic for those who get off on the symmetry and architecture of mundane railway-related appliances.
 
A Pyle headlamp on Canadian Forest Products Englewood Logging Division 303, complete with number boards.
 
Should I call it Oji Paper 303?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2005, 11:43am
While its difficult to believe that anything in logging (especially by rail) might become standardised, this design of "crew crummy" was actually widely used in BC. It seems to date back to the 1930s. If you have it, see pages 90-99 in 'Logging By Rail' by Robert D Turner. An excellent resource book.
Posted by: CN1070 Posted on: Jan 9th, 2006, 7:56pm
I wonder what affect the sale to Western Forest Products will have on the railway. Might we see another short line operator on the island?
Posted by: CN1070 Posted on: Jan 26th, 2006, 3:13am
Steel ties are great in non-CTC territory. CN uses steel ties on some of the yard tracks in Thornton, and around Vancouver. They would be great on the E&N. The only problem with steel ties, there has to be an insulator between the rails and the ties in order to keep the steel ties from shorting crossing circuits or block signal circuits. Once the rubber insulators break down there can be some maintenance headaches. Wood ties can take more of a beating than steel or concrete ties.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:44pm
My work took me to Port Hardy last Monday and Tuesday.   On the way home Tuesday afternoon I was lucky enough to catch a train leaving Beaver Cove and gave it a chase for the rest of the daylight.  
 
I had a chat with the brakeman when I caught the train at Camp A reload.  The equipment is slowly being re-badged Western Forest Products and the new operator has no intentions to shut down the railway.    The nature of the whole operation in the vast Nimpkish valley area would have to be completely changed if the railway was abandoned.
 
I was told Tranport Canada shut them down for a while because they were found to be operating under a different set of rules than mainline operation in the rest of North America.   Canfor's road and safety rules were a local creation that worked well for them, but the Feds want them using the exact same rules as everybody else, so everyone had to be re-trained and re-equiped for the new way of doing things.
 
Currently they are operating two diesels on the Woss to Beaver Cove turn and a single diesel is working the remote southern section of the line.   The old yellow 303 unit I saw last year is no longer parked on the storage tracks at the car shops so it has been moved somewhere.
 
Anyways.........here are some pics of Vancouver Islands sometimes forgotten premier rail operator.  Western Forest Products Railway (?)
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:49pm
A second pic at Beaver Cove.   I was lucky to catch a train about the leave with a string of empties heading for Camp A reload.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:51pm
Heading for Camp A
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:54pm
Whenever I railfan Vancouver Island I often find it pours rain and there are no trains.  This day I got the pouring rain, but a train as well.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:56pm
another one through the water on the lens of my point and shoot
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:59pm
The train arrived at Camp A and dropped the empties on the siding North of the reload.   It then ran light back into the reload and did some switching for the loading tracks.   This pick is of the engines running light into the reload.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:04am
Here the train is pulling a loaded cut out of the loading track across the highway overpass before placing them back in the reload on a storage track.   They are running caboose first.
 
I had a chat with the brakeman who let me know the plan.   They were going to run light south to siding 4 and pick up a cut of cars left the previous day by the southern turn.   They would then return to Camp A and join up the the cut of cars they had just placed on the storage track and then run North to Beaver Cove with all 75 loaded cars.   They would be done at about 10:00pm.
 
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:07am
I caught the train again at siding 4 after they ran South from Camp A.
 
The crew has just placed the caboose on the end of the cut of log cars and is running back to the head of the train.
 
(notice Leprechaun in Hi-Vis vest next to the derail.   These little guys are everywhere in the woods up here)
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:14am
Heading back to Camp A with the logs from siding 4 across the Alice Creek (?) overpass.   It was getting dark, and I had to hit the road, so I left the chase at this point.
 
The train is running cab-first with a bad-order log car from siding 4 on the point.   The car was covered in 'caution tape' and flagged "DO NOT LOAD".
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:17am
Anyone who hasn't witnessed 30 log cars hammer past you at Notch 8 should check the action out.   It gets the blood moving.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:49am
Thanks,
 
I lucked out.
 
The other cool thing to see up there is the massive logging trucks running around.  
 
The only think different between them and locomotives is the tires!  Look at the weight of that wood!
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 1:09am
on Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:04am, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 They would then return to Camp A and join up the the cut of cars they had just placed on the storage track and then run North to Beaver Cove with all 75 loaded cars.

 
Great pics, and its hard to get over this sentence, 75 cars on a train on Vancouver Island in 2006!!  
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 3:59am
Cody,
 
What's #113's status? Still sitting in the same place?
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2006, 11:03am
Yes it is Roman.   I meant to take a picture for you, but when I passed back through Woss it was basically nighttime and there would be not much to see with the little flash on my camera.
 
It is there, and likely looking for a home I would imagine.
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Apr 9th, 2006, 2:34am
Right on guys, great pics!  I lived in Port Hardy for a 9 month stretch in 1994.  I remeber stopping at Woss to check things out, the 113 was there along with two of the SW1200's and some empty log cars but nothing was running and the place was like a ghost town.  I thought that we would stop again but we never did.  Man that Nimpkish Valley is huge! Its a long drive from Cambell River to Port Hardy, every other time we drove it it was either at night or we were pressed for time having to drive between Port Hardy and the Kootenays, a 16 hour drive with the ferry ride.
 
Glad to hear that the operation is not going to be abandonned anytime soon, mabye I'll get my butt up there yet to get my own pictures, who knows...
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 10th, 2006, 11:49pm
A pic of a caboose or self-propelled crew car "crummy", I'm not sure which.  I didn't get a look underneath it.
 
Note that it is badged "WFP"
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 10th, 2006, 11:53pm
A track aligner (I think) found at the Car Shops north of Woss also badged "WFP".  
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 11th, 2006, 12:07am
A final pic of a ballast dump car at Woss.   I think this one might be steam-era.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2006, 1:51am
Great pics, Cody. I found some background pictures of the little speeder in 'Logging by Rail, the BC story' by Robert D Turner, they were originally Victoria Lumber & Manufacturing crew crummies. Page 96 has a scale drawing of a similar #102, built in August 1946, while page 97 shows the speeder in your picture as CFP crew crummy #130 in 1973, below that the same machine after two rebuilds (much as you pictured it) in 1984 with #s 130 (top center) & 5110 (both sides below the Canfor decal). Still looks like its used daily after around 60 years. Amazing service life and belong in a museum.
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Apr 20th, 2006, 11:13am
on Apr 10th, 2006, 11:53pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A track aligner (I think) found at the Car Shops north of Woss also badged "WFP".  

 
 
That's a tamper Cody.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Apr 20th, 2006, 7:53pm
Thanks Mark.   What is that wheeled frame for on the end?   I thought it might have something for checking the alignement (the four boxes).
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Apr 26th, 2006, 1:14am
I am far from an expert on MOW equipment but I believe that the the little cart has reflectors on it used with the laser they employ to align the track like you said.  
 
If you have a close look you will see the tongs under the machine which plunge into the ballast and grab ties to be able to smooth out any rough spots by lifting up on the ties so that ballast can fall underneath.  Something like that anyway...
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 27th, 2006, 8:49am
Yup your right, it is a tamper. The large truss frame is used to support to action of lifting the entire track slightly while the rods plunge into the ballast and vibrate to "tamp" or basically settle the ballast, the cart at the rear contains the reflectors needed for lasers to ensure the track is kept in aligment. Pretty hi tech equipment, suprised to see it on the canfor railway, I wonder when the last time one of those was on the ENR
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 12th, 2006, 3:13pm
Somewhere in Vancouver.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 15th, 2006, 12:07pm
That looks like it's on Granville Island, when it was industrial before it was turned into the market. Neat photo! Anymore from there? I've always been fascinated by the island's industrial past, there seem to be surprisingly few photos out there before the days of the market.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: May 17th, 2006, 6:09pm
It appears that is now the 304 (see link), shown on the point in some of my recent photos.  Obviously the friction bearing trucks were replaced at some point.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/rosters/CANFOR.html
 
Is it working a mill in Vancouver? or is it freshly painted and ready for a barge-ride to Beaver Cove?   I believe the dynamic brakes and air tanks are and Englewood spec.
Posted by: CN4702 Posted on: May 18th, 2006, 1:51am
on May 17th, 2006, 6:09pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I believe the dynamic brakes and air tanks are and Englewood spec.

 
Not quite, 4804 was purchased second hand from Georgia Pacific, a lumber company in Oregon. It was built for the Coos Bay Lumber Co. with the Dynamic Brakes.  
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 18th, 2006, 3:41am
that  pic  DOES look  very much  like  granville  island..   but  what would  THAT unit have  been  there  for?   we  NEED to  find pics  of  frieght operations  on  granville island. i  have NEVER seen  any.  i  ll start  a  thread in the bc  colum.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 18th, 2006, 11:16am
Good idea torch, I would love to see some photos of the industrial operations there. Was there a Canfor operation on Granville Island in the 70's? All the rails in the ground have always made me wonder what things used to be like, but it was before my time.
Posted by: islander Posted on: May 27th, 2006, 11:15pm
hi there, i'm new to these forums. i thought i might add a picture. it was taken in Woss, 2004.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: May 31st, 2006, 2:06am
You guys read my mind...
I have been thinking about Granville Island a lot, too.   I know nothing about it, except it is slathered in tracks, and want to know all about it
 
Anybody and everybody out there tell us what you know!
Posted by: ShovelmanNorthwest Posted on: Jun 6th, 2006, 12:34am
Granville island was manmade. A number of logging support businesses operated on the island.Tyee  machinery may have worked on locomotive 4804. Tyee machinery worked at building and rebuilding and building loaders and yarders, as well as any business that they could get to keep the shop busy. Bc equipment was at the NW corner of the island they sold and serviced Northwest grade shovels and loaders, as well as International crawlers and wheel loaders. National machinery rented space out to Cypress equipment who assembled and built-up the American log loaders and yarders, as well as CP drill rigs. There also was a company that sold and repaired log boom chain, the chain that kept the logbooms together whilst being towed to the sawmills. Many of the companies mentioned have either gone off the island or? The business at the west end of the island was ARROW transfer, they loaded numerous barges that offloaded equipment to many camps and mining companies up and down the coast as well as Vancouver Island.
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Aug 21st, 2006, 4:44pm
hey thanks for sharing all those great pics! lots of history and logging railway action up there!
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Aug 21st, 2006, 10:33pm
Wonderful to see the north islands railway again. Interesting that WFP rejected an offer on ole number 113; probably means she'll rust away to the point of being unrestoreable. Sad. Excellent pictures, CLC fan. That old trestle is a neat find.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Aug 21st, 2006, 11:33pm
Keep posting it. Its awesome stuff.
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Sep 18th, 2006, 9:10am
Wow, thanks for taking the time to post all of these, I enjoyed seeing your pictures of a railway I have always wanted to see first hand.  Thanks again CLC.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 25th, 2006, 11:25pm
Greta pics as usual.  Always nice to see more of our friends at Woss
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Oct 25th, 2006, 11:35pm
CLC fan - I am once again impressed by your camera work and subject. Thank you for posting these. Man, I gotta get up there and take some pictures for myself.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Oct 26th, 2006, 7:21am
awesome photos and  vid.  GREAT sounding  five chime horn! lol  guess only one bell out of the five was working?
Posted by: craigolio Posted on: Oct 26th, 2006, 2:17pm
I'ld love to see some closer detail sots of the flats and caboose if you have them.
 
Craig.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Dec 14th, 2006, 3:42pm
I am now certain that CLC fan cannot take a bad picture.
I almost never get up that far so I really appreciate your pictures and especially videos of the Englewood logging operation. The equipment they use is unique and deserves more attention. Its too bad that the weather doesnt cooperate more when youre there.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Jan 27th, 2007, 8:43pm
Those are some nice photos. It's nice to see one railroad on the island that is alive and well.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Jan 28th, 2007, 12:51am
Those night shots on your website are spectacular.  Mystical.  Great work.
 
Kudos for the hard-core camping.
 
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jan 29th, 2007, 11:08am
As always, CLC Fan, excellent pictures. I hate to see the 112 in such a sad state. I'm sure its worth saving but I dont know how much worse it could get before its officially not worth saving. When did the smokebox door go missing? Preserved Steam (Roman) are you around here? I wonder what your thoughts are?
I appreciate the "now with 30% more youtube" content Richard. Nice touch, and thank you for doing that. I hope you dont mind if I link that elsewhere.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jan 29th, 2007, 9:54pm
on Jan 29th, 2007, 2:55pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The door went missing a couple of years ago and some people are trying to keep an eye out for it.

Not that the door was very well preserved or anything, after all didnt it have a torch line in it? So I guess it had to be replaced anyway. Its just a simple casting. Still you hate to see a piece of island rail history be stolen. The 112 needs some work soon or it will all become glorified scrap metal.
 
on Jan 29th, 2007, 2:55pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

YouTube really slaughters the resolution.. i'm tempted to zip all the files together and upload them somewhere else so people can see it without all that pixelation, but it would be a big file.  I'll keep that webpage up for about a month and the vids on YouTube indefinitely.

YouTube slaughters the resolution of almost everything posted on it. Check out Google Video to see if it suits you better. http://video.google.ca/ Just a suggestion, I like the larger screen myself, fwiw.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jan 30th, 2007, 10:49am
There is a way to delete videos, but the process is slow. I wont lie to you I dont know how it works, but did find this topic in the 'Help' toolbar: http://groups.google.com/group/google-video-past/browse_thread/thread/e10c5003e38535c0  
I hope that helps. I would suggest trying one 'disposable' video on Google to see if you like them better than YouTube.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2007, 12:16am
I just stumbled on some older videos of the Canfor Englewood operation. 3 in all. Just click the appropriate icon at http://customcutters.org  Enjoy.
 
Edit: I had some problems uploading after the first one. It might be easier to search Youtube for: dylanwinter1 , then select from there.
Posted by: Jayturf Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 9:15pm
on Jan 29th, 2007, 11:08am, FSD8014 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
As always, CLC Fan, excellent pictures. I hate to see the 112 in such a sad state. I'm sure its worth saving but I dont know how much worse it could get before its officially not worth saving. When did the smokebox door go missing? Preserved Steam (Roman) are you around here? I wonder what your thoughts are?
I appreciate the "now with 30% more youtube" content Richard. Nice touch, and thank you for doing that. I hope you dont mind if I link that elsewhere.

 
I wish i lived on northern vancouver island because i would totally be willing to help restore that old engine...i'm no expert but i would be willing to help.. maybe someone should start some sort of society to restore it.  We could do it all by volunteer.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 10:31pm
I don't personally understand why the restoration crowd isn't more interested in the 112. I get why there is such interest in the 113 as its a much easier restoration, but they seem uninterested in giving it up. The 112 is almost hidden and I am always saddened by the neglect it gets, so I would be surprised if the company or community wouldn't let it go to undergo a restoration to operation again.
I think the degree of work required is the greatest thing working against this happening. The resto crowd would rather have the big Alco as the work is less and the locie is more appealing. Not that theres anything wrong with that and I could be wrong on both counts.
 I'd still like to see both saved just the same.
Posted by: Jayturf Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 10:42pm
does anyone know how one would go about organizing a restoration?  I'm sure if there was someone who knew what they were doing they would have no problem getting a lot of help from ppl like us.  I know of a few people in my area who have done some pretty incredible restorations of old diesel pump engines from barkerville... i should track them down and see if they're interested.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 11:04pm
Try contacting Roman at Preserved Steam BC ( members.shaw.ca/preservedsteamBC/index.htm ). He would be knowledgeable on who would be involved locally. He could likely put you in touch with existing groups.
I assume you're interested in restoring a steam locomotive based on your comments in this thread.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Mar 26th, 2007, 1:54am
Been there done that i would love to work on restoring 112. Besides having good trades  people you need good people with organizing and managment skills for funding and donations even with volunteers you still need money to get rolling. The biggest set back is the location you need to move the loci to a central location. If you get that far Im in.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Apr 7th, 2007, 12:17am
Since those things have sat for 29 years, what is the point of moving them now and also why remove the spur now?
Posted by: APR7 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2007, 4:03am
on Apr 7th, 2007, 12:17am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Since those things have sat for 29 years, what is the point of moving them now and also why remove the spur now?

 
Have you seen the price of scrap steel lately?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2007, 8:53am
Excellent pics again, CLC Fan. Interesting subject again as well.
 
Its sure nice to see 'ol 303 get used again, its been quite a while since it moved away from Woss. I haven't been there in at least two years and it hadn't moved in that time. It was starting to feel like it had been added to the 112 & 113 collection.
As for the equipment they've pulled from the siding, is the company on a scrap drive? Any idea why they're ripping up that siding?
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 8th, 2007, 4:46am
Nice to see them fire up the 303. She's got to be the last unit with her original EMD 567.
Posted by: Jayturf Posted on: Apr 12th, 2007, 7:48pm
does anyone know of any detailed maps of wfp's railroad (yards, spurs, etc.)
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 15th, 2007, 4:21am
on Apr 15th, 2007, 2:29am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
And a little bit of info on #303, the dynamic brakes don't work on it at the moment so it is being used as a yard switcher at Beaver Cove for now.  It's also is the only unit with its original engine.
 

 
What's happening with the 302? Is it being stored dead?
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2007, 4:48am
thats some pretty archaic looking peices of equipment....bet they'd fetch some good money for scrap!
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 15th, 2007, 6:25pm
I did a 3 day backpacking trip to the north Island last week, awesome weather, lots of wildlife, and I got a little railfanning in on the side.  On thursday evening I started my drive south and diverted off to Beaver Cove to check on things.  No train present so I returned to my original drive back home.  Got to Camp A Reload and saw the yard was completely empty.. that told me a train had left earlier.  Argh..!  
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 15th, 2007, 6:34pm
Contemplated on just continuing on home.... naww...!  Turned around and whipped back to Beaver Cove and saw that the train had arrived and was refueling.  Some good news, WFP just completed a cost-effectiveness study of the rail line and it is expected to continue rail operations for some time to come.  Sounds like the fuel savings and efficiency is the real reason.  In one trip alone the engines used up something like only 200 litres of diesel.  No logging truck can match that.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 15th, 2007, 6:36pm
The crew had to wait for the yard guys to unload the last of the cars... always an impressive sight to see.  Especially in a setting sun.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 15th, 2007, 6:39pm
Last picture, just too dark for the camera.  The engines have pulled out the empties and shoved the loaded ones in, and are about to back onto the empties again and proceed back to Camp-A Reload.  I snagged a vid clip of it pulling away.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPfX6o__Dag
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: May 16th, 2007, 1:53am
VERY nice pics, CLC.  Thanks for adding the railfanning to the end of your backpacking trip.   Where did you go, by the way?
Posted by: rocko59 Posted on: May 16th, 2007, 2:52am
Very Nice pics, Thanks for sharing them with us. The cyberworld is great, we can see so many sights that we would miss out on due to travel or time. Great vids too!!   Russell
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: May 16th, 2007, 3:09am
on May 15th, 2007, 6:36pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The crew had to wait for the yard guys to unload the last of the cars... always an impressive sight to see.  Especially in a setting sun.

 
I have ridden on one of those machines. They are incredibly powerful, and the drivers are something else entirely. I also rode one of the Cat's and the acceleration of those machines is incredible.
Posted by: jgarcia Posted on: May 24th, 2007, 9:22pm
I'm thinking of heading to the Island next week to photograph the Englewood log trains - anyone know if they'll be operating?  I'd hate to travel all that way and find them shut down for a time.
 
Thanks.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: May 25th, 2007, 12:56am
Great pics as always CLC.
 
Good news that WFP isn't going to truck.   Another factor affecting rail's efficiency is that the wages of driver's is going up and there isn't enough of them, or so I've been told.   You only need three guys on that train.   How many trucker's wages would it take to haul all those logs?   How many truckers are looking for a job in Woss?
 
The train just makes so much sense in their situation.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 25th, 2007, 1:18am
Didn't Canfor do a similar study a few years ago, with the same results?
Posted by: prairie_dog_central Posted on: May 25th, 2007, 1:33am
Fantastic photos!
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Jul 19th, 2007, 11:57pm
I think I got this around 1985 at Beaver Cove.  Found it in an old album.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:44am
Nice picture Piglet. Nice to see an old one of the yellow paint still in rule.
 
I was at Beaver Cove today (July 19, 2007) and got a picture of 303. I went around Beaver Cove and down to Woss and never saw a single working train . Oh well, at least I saw some engines  .
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:46am
When I went down to Woss I saw 302 sitting in the back of the yard.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:47am
And one of the engines I came up here for.....113. It doesn't look too bad for being out in the open for years. Hope they do something with it soon.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 1:49am
Also, that old snowplow or whatever it is is still sitting there so I guess they haven't decided what to do with it.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Jul 20th, 2007, 10:14am
Great pictures, Balto. Good to see that some of the stuff CLC fan posted a while back that looked like scrap hasn't gone away yet.  
I hope somebody can save it.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 2:49am
Wow, Balto, I am jealous that you got to go up Island.  Did you go there for some volunteering work with your family, or was the trip just for you?
 
Good pics, esp. the steamer.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 3:14am
Thank you. Actually, it was for a bit of sad news. My grandmother passed away so we went up for the funeral. But we stayed up for a few more days and did a bit of touring around. Today when I went back to Beaver Cove to find #6 (which I did find, pictures in Locomotives of Vancouver Island thread) I caught 301 and 304 refueling in the yard. So I got some quick snap shots before racing for the beach to catch the tide (before it took #6 away beneath the waves again  ). Here's 301.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 21st, 2007, 3:24am
And here's 304.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Jul 22nd, 2007, 2:41am
Glad you got so much picture-taking in on your trip.  That's a pretty cool little railway up there that we all ought to see in our lifetime's ( So I better get up there too, someday ).
 
  Sorry to hear about your family's loss.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:10am
Thanks guys. They went on strike?  . Well.......didn't see that coming. Well.......*ackward silence*........did you get any pictures  . One thing that did make a little light for me in the loss of are grandmother. When I saw my grandad, he told me that one of his neighbors has a bunch of old film of the logging operation up there from years back. He just has to get a new light bulb for his camera and he will show them to me  .
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 7:54am
on Jul 23rd, 2007, 2:10am, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks guys. They went on strike?  . Well.......didn't see that coming. Well.......*ackward silence*........did you get any pictures  . One thing that did make a little light for me in the loss of are grandmother. When I saw my grandad, he told me that one of his neighbors has a bunch of old film of the logging operation up there from years back. He just has to get a new light bulb for his camera and he will show them to me  .

You JUST got there in time.  Apparently, the union is saying that the strike will be a long one.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 1:26am
I lucked out on my last run to Calgary and got a copy of "The last logging road" by Chandos video.   This is a recent production as the engines are all in silver (the rebuilts) and they cover everything from the side hill right down to the water.  They cover bringing the logs off the hill to the reload and then how they run the trains down to Beaver Cove.
I honestly think its a more well rounded production then the Pentrex one of a decade or so ago.  They have some historical footage and some recent footage of Mayo 3 as well.  If you really didn't know the how and why this show would answer your questions.  The idea of "scaling" is covered during the reload section and the video footage is well done and clear.  Both of us have really enjoyed watching this video and my partner can't wait to go spend some time up there to really look over the area.  Their web site is WWW.trainson tv.com and I though over all it was really well done.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:24pm
Sorry I got corrected by my partner for leaving out the section on the summerland section of the KVR and its shay.  Oh the joy of living with a big steam fan lol.  Its an add of sorts but its got great footage of the area and engine.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 18th, 2007, 9:44pm
on Aug 21st, 2006, 4:15am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I walked a bit further along it.  The trestle is about 6 or 7 metres high at this point.

How was your stay at Morton Lake, did the pictures of the old trestle,s there turn out.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Nov 6th, 2007, 1:16am
I couldn't resist another pic of #303 in its classic colours.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Nov 6th, 2007, 1:45am
CLC thanks for the pics.  303 is still looking good in the old paint.  I didn't know they were doing some cutting up there  by the sort at Beaver Cove, when did that start?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 17th, 2007, 1:12am
on Oct 22nd, 2007, 9:44pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi TFC, glad you could make it.  
 
I found the old log dump with ease, it was the trestle further on that I could not make it to due to trail conditions.  The overgrowth got bad and I didn't feel like walking up to my knees in water in certain spots.    Planning sometime next year to borrow a canoe and do some more exploring.
 
Here's the log dump:

Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 17th, 2007, 1:52am
I just realized that you had posted the pictures you took while you were at Morton lake. We think the pilings are from two trestles that crossed the lake at that point, the original would have been built by Lamb Lumber Co. When Bloedel, Stewart and Welch took over the line they would have replaced the original with a new trestle built beside it. The loadout  that I mentioned is still further down the old grade. The loadout was used by Lamb Lumber when they loaded out the lake, when B.S.&W took over the grade they realigned the grade before the loadout to a new trestle across the lake so they could  log the west side of Mohun Lake. If I get up that way before spring and the water is not to high, so that I can walk the grade I will take some pictures and E-mail them to you. I sure enjoy the pictures you have posted on the Baldwin's etc.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 12:30am
How does a person get invited to the slide show.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 20th, 2007, 1:12am
Mile 12.85 CFP's Englewood Railway, Halfway Islands Creek Trestle, now removed and by-passed. Frank Carter Photo
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 20th, 2007, 2:19am
Canfor's #302 approaching Davie River Trestle mile 39.8 April 1992 Frank Carter Photo
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2007, 10:19pm
Beautiful action shots there. Thanks for posting!
 
Dave
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jan 7th, 2008, 1:38am
Great pictures Richard, hope you have to spend the night in your tent !
Frank
PS We had a slide show in Campbell River Saturday night to bad you did not let us know that you were coming through.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 1:12am
The 113 is mentioned a few time under this subject.  Here is a photo of the 113 out on the mainline when she was taken out of retirement to help celebrate CFP's 50th anniversary.
 
Gold Creek bridge, M36.4, July 11, 1991
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2008, 7:55pm
A day in the Nimpkish Valley on November 5, 2007 provided an encounter with a loaded log train on Steele Creek bridge, M24.1, at 9:09 in the morning.  The MU'd engines are usually at this location, but they were in the Nimpkish shops overnight north of their usual tie-up location at Camp A requiring the 302 to deliver its loads further north than usual in the morning.  The 302 exchanged its train of logs with empties delivered by the 301/304 during a meet at Camp A some time later.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 28th, 2008, 12:10am
Later in the day on November 5, 2007, the 302 is starting on its last task of the day at 03:18 PM.  After supplying Woss and Maquilla reloads with empties from the train swap in the morning, the 302 has a clearance to the "South Cautionary Limits Woss" and is leaving Maquilla crossing Maquilla Creek at M50.2 of the K line.  The loads will be stored overnight at Siding 6 at M35.6 to be taken north the following work day for another meet with the 301/304.
Posted by: BCOL764 Posted on: Mar 1st, 2008, 11:51pm
on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:40pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Now the railway is short of horsepower that is needed to get the planned 50 car train to the beach.  The 304 is going it alone until a mechanic arrives to tend to the errant 301.

 
50 cars? Good to see at least one railway on the island is hauling some heavy tonnage.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2008, 2:24am
on Mar 2nd, 2008, 1:01am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This photo shows an interesting maneuver at 12:00 noon.  Moments before, the 304 shoved the 301 up Track 2.  After the locomotives were separated, the 304 moved into position on Track 1 behind the standby caboose.  Once the 304 was in the clear, the brakes on the 301 were released allowing it coast down the slight incline until it cleared the switch making it possible for the 304 to get into the position necessary for the move to the shop.  Soon the 304 will be pulling its 35 loads north with the quiet 301 in the lead.

Gravity drop with a loco
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 18th, 2008, 11:05am
on Dec 20th, 2007, 1:12am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mile 12.85 CFP's Englewood Railway, Halfway Islands Creek Trestle, now removed and by-passed. Frank Carter Photo

Here is a train of 30 loads approaching the Halfway Island Cut that bypassed the trestle at M12.9 .  The train is on the track that can be seen in the foreground of tfctrain's photo.  You can watch the same train passing through the cut on YouTube.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YKecLjjuWg
 
The date is April 9, 2007.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 18th, 2008, 11:10am
This photo shows the same train passing through the cut.  The approach to the bypassed trestle was located at the straight section of track in the background.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 18th, 2008, 11:17am
The 304/301 with their 30 loads arrive at Beaver Cove while speeder 123 waits for access to the main.  April 9, 2007
 
Video of the same train arriving is on YouTube:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO1b3tFctxk
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2008, 4:07am
Last weekend I made an unscheduled trip to the north Island for a bit of business and pleasure.  I spent the better part of monday exploring and snagging roster pics of 200+ log cars and a few work cars so I missed most of the days action.  I did chase the last train on its way to Beaver Cove and took mostly video due to low light conditions.  I've put up 3 or 4 vids so far (not impressed w/ YouTube's compression techniques) and still have 3 more to put up in the next few days.  Search "CLCfan" or "Canfor" should help find them quick.
 
By the way, anyone check out "brakeman302"'s videos?  He has a pretty neat one taken underneath a passing log train:
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/brakeman302
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 25th, 2008, 12:29am
on Mar 23rd, 2008, 4:07am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Last weekend I made an unscheduled trip to the north Island for a bit of business and pleasure.  I spent the better part of monday exploring and snagging roster pics of 200+ log cars and a few work cars so I missed most of the days action.  I did chase the last train on its way to Beaver Cove and took mostly video due to low light conditions.  I've put up 3 or 4 vids so far (not impressed w/ YouTube's compression techniques) and still have 3 more to put up in the next few days.  Search "CLCfan" or "Canfor" should help find them quick.

 
Looking forward to your YouTube posts, CLC Fan.  
 
I presume your photo of the 303 was taken at Beaver Cove.  Can't decide where the locie is sitting or what the car is behind it.  I don't remember seeing that rust spot a year ago when it was switching at Beaver Cove when the attached photo was taken May 9, 2007.
 
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 25th, 2008, 12:58am
I film at 640x480 @ 30 fps and a 60 second film clip is approx 120+ MB.  YouTube has an upload limit of 100 MB.  I use DivX Converter (similar to what YouTube uses to convert vids) to try and get it down a bit in file size.  Unfortunately, after uploading YouTube compresses it again which just slaughters the resolution further.  I'm still experimenting with it and hope to find an improvement over what I have been uploading.
 
As for #303, yes that's Beaver Cove.  Here's a pic of what's behind it:
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 25th, 2008, 1:00am
...and here's where it was sitting:
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Mar 27th, 2008, 3:37am
Looks a little forlorn, tucked into the bushes like that.
 
Very nice set of pics!  Love the one of the "cut".
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 2:22am
here is a recent pic taken on the May long weekend
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 2:29am
this is a new meaning of Bamboozled
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 10:51pm
here are some other pics taken on the same day
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 10:55pm
303 front
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 11:11pm
I have noticed that the 112 is mentioned but no pics have been posted. so here you are, enjoy
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 11:12pm
112 front
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 11:13pm
112 engineers front
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 11:14pm
112 head light still there    but for how long?
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 20th, 2008, 11:16pm
engineers view
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 21st, 2008, 1:18am
Firemans side
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: May 21st, 2008, 2:02am
on May 21st, 2008, 1:18am, 12-278a wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Firemans side

 
Did you manage to get any shots of the backhead or the engineer's/fireman's areas?
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: May 22nd, 2008, 12:00am
ask and you shall have
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Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 22nd, 2008, 11:33am
Very cool shots! Thanks for posting, 12-278a.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Jun 28th, 2008, 1:22am
A scan of an undated postcard showing Canfor units #301 and 302, courtesy of Leisure Time Hobbies in Nanaimo.  The caption reads, "Vancouver Island Bound.  Vancouver Harbour, BC."
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jun 30th, 2008, 12:53am
on Jun 28th, 2008, 1:22am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
courtesy of Leisure Time Hobbies in Nanaimo.  

I heard a rumor that Ken was closing down the shop after 30 years.......
Posted by: jgarcia Posted on: Jul 16th, 2008, 12:58pm
Hello all;
 
Anyone know the current operations for log trains out of Woss Camp?  I'd like to go up there and take some photographs next week, but don't want to make the trip if they're shut down due to the slumping economy.
 
Thanks for any info.
J. Garcia
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Jul 16th, 2008, 6:21pm
The trains will not be running till sometime in Sept depending on market conditions. Who knows we might not see them running till sometime in 2009?
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jul 19th, 2008, 10:54am
I read in Trains or Railfan & Railroad this month that Weyerhauser has a few of it's logging operations in the USA up for sale.......
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Aug 18th, 2008, 2:58am
I was up in the north Island this weekend.  All is quiet up there.  Found #301 parked in the evening heat at Woss and the yard tracks covered in grass.  There are 3 loaded strings of log cars at Camp-A Reload.  I didn't swing by Beaver Cove and due to the shut down did not spend anytime hunting for rail activity.  I did hear that they may reactivate this week for a short undetermined time.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Aug 18th, 2008, 8:04pm
Very nice picture, Rich.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 9th, 2008, 11:17pm
Spent the day on the side roads near Woss arriving at Markusen Crossing, M31.25, in time to catch the 301/304 heading south with a short train of empties heading for Siding 6.  There was no morning meet today at Siding 4.  The 302 was sent to Vernon first thing in the morning.  The MUed pair were to leave their train of empties at Siding 6 and travel light engine to the Woss reload to pick up loads.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 1:11am
The 301/304 have passed Siding 6 and are stopped on the Gold Creek bridge preparing to shove the empties into the siding just out of site around a curve to the right.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 1:14am
The empties have been left in the siding and the engines are proceeding over Gold Creek bound for the Woss reload.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 1:29am
Who can resist following abandoned rails through the trees to see what is at the other end?
 
This abandoned track is off-road near the Maquilla reload south of Woss.  The rail is approx. 56 pounds.  No markings indicate the weight, but it is identified as Cammells Toughened Steel, 1892, Sec 236, Canadian Pacific.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 2:05am
on Oct 10th, 2008, 1:14am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The empties have been left in the siding and the engines are proceeding over Gold Creek bound for the Woss reload.

Who is the chubby guy in the picture? Where is his hard hat?
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Oct 10th, 2008, 2:40am
on Oct 10th, 2008, 1:29am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is a quick look for those who like to see such things.  Who can resist following rails through the trees to see what is at the other end?
 
No doubt it doesn't really warrant posting so I will remove it in a few days.  This abondon track is off-road near the Maquilla reload south of Woss.  The rail is approx. 56 pounds.  No markings indicate the weight, but it is identified as Cammells Toughened Steel, 1892, Sec 236, Canadian Pacific.

 
Interesting. Did they appear to have joined with the mainline at any point in time? Also, where did they end up?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 12th, 2008, 7:58pm
on Oct 10th, 2008, 2:05am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Who is the chubby guy in the picture? Where is his hard hat?

Remember how Captain Kirk always liked to take along a "disposable ensign" during expeditions.  It this case, we needed bear bait.
 
Hard hat?  I guess rules are made to be broken.  Hey, he has a high vis. vest on.  That is 50% compliant!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 12th, 2008, 8:04pm
on Oct 10th, 2008, 2:40am, CN7059 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Interesting. Did they appear to have joined with the mainline at any point in time? Also, where did they end up?

 
The rails paralleled the mainline for some distance to the south passing a rotting building and eventually swinging towards the existing grade. To the north, the tracks lead to what looked like an old wash-out with ties and rails scattered about.  Suspect the wash-out forced a grade relocation.
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Oct 12th, 2008, 8:29pm
Yo Sidewinder,
 
Similar situation with SCUBA divers. The least experienced, and usually the youngest is always called " Shark Bait".
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 12th, 2008, 11:35pm
The Woss reload in operation.  June 17, 2008.
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Oct 12th, 2008, 11:56pm
on Oct 12th, 2008, 11:35pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The Woss reload in operation.  June 17, 2008.

 
 
Somewhere I have photos from the summer of 2006 from Camp A and Beaver Cove dry sort. If I can find them, I'll post them.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 28th, 2008, 11:44pm
The 301 and 304 are about to deliver 54 empties to Siding 4 two miles beyond Twin Bridge.  October 27,2008.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2008, 6:05pm
Not long after leaving the empties at Siding 4, the 301 and 304 begin their journey to the beach with 46 loads in tow.  The engines are passing over Twin Bridge, M27.3, at 12:33 October 27, 2008.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Nov 14th, 2008, 7:34pm
Nice pics, Sidewinder.  I just got back from 3 days of backpacking up at Cape Scott.  I was hoping to spend 2 days railfanning but could only accomodate one.  Turns out when the train was at the south end, I was at the north end and vice-versa.    I went up and down the Nimpkish Valley -5- times! and each time missed the train.. ugh!  I added more roster shots to my collection and did some late night train chasing from Storey Creek all the way up to Markusen's crossing.  I waited for it at Gold Creek but it never showed.  I still have yet to catch (daylight) action on the south half of the line.
 
#302 is at Woss.  #303 in classic colours has been moved to Nimpkish shops as shown in the pic below.  #301 and 304 were earning their keep on the mainline.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 16th, 2008, 1:16am
on Nov 14th, 2008, 7:34pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Nice pics, Sidewinder.
 
I went up and down the Nimpkish Valley -5- times! and each time missed the train.. ugh!  I added more roster shots to my collection and did some late night train chasing from Storey Creek all the way up to Markusen's crossing.  I waited for it at Gold Creek but it never showed.  
 
#303 in classic colours has been moved to Nimpkish shops as shown in the pic below.

 
Thanks!
 
5 times, huh.  You certainly are determined!  Can't understand why nothing showed at Gold Creek.  You should have seen the engines on the bridge switching Siding 6.  Perhaps they delivered empties to the siding and returned north light engines.  In any case, luck was not on your side.
 
The 303 was in the shop late October being serviced to provide back up for the 302 at Woss.  Surprised it is still at Nimpkish.
 
Here is a photo of the train featured a few replies ago with the string of 54 empties passing over Storey Creek bridge Oct 27, 2008.
Posted by: cn7066 Posted on: Nov 16th, 2008, 6:02am
on Nov 14th, 2008, 7:34pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
#302 is at Woss.  #303 in classic colours has been moved to Nimpkish shops as shown in the pic below.  #301 and 304 were earning their keep on the mainline.

 
Neat photo. Looks like they haven't relettered the 303 yet.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 7th, 2009, 2:21am
Always thought it would be nice to get an action shot it the snow.  Pretty tough to do when the railway is shutdown!  MTs wait patiently for a locomotive to appear at the south end of siding 4, Jan. 21/09.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 24th, 2009, 11:37pm
The Englewood Railway has been back in business the past few weeks with one reload in operation.  Loads have been hauled from Woss reload all the way to the beach using only one engine. Today (Feb. 23), as luck would have it, an MUed pair were on the run.  The 301 and 304 are the regular team but this time the 302 is trailing with the 304 sitting it out at the Nimpkish shops.  After starting the day at Beaver Cove switching the sort, the train has arrived at Storey Creek bridge at 09:21 with empties bound for Woss.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 27th, 2009, 12:20am
on Feb 26th, 2009, 1:40am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice..!  I've been going into Canfor (WFP) withdrawls for months.    I gotta get up there again soon.  Maybe in 2 weeks if the weather is decent.

 
Sounds like they should be running regularly until the summer months so you should have many windows of opportunity but don't let the weather hold you back.  It can be sunny one moment and look like this a few kilometers down the road.  At least it didn't bucket down rain!
 
Engines are throttling up after coupling to the string of empties once a few cars were switched out into siding 3.  "302 south" is heading to Camp A for the next task of the morning.
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Feb 27th, 2009, 9:29am
on Feb 24th, 2009, 11:37pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The Englewood Railway has been back in business the past few weeks with one reload in operation.  Loads have been hauled from Woss reload all the way to the beach using only one engine. Today (Feb. 23), as luck would have it, an MUed pair were on the run.  The 301 and 304 are the regular team but this time the 302 is trailing with the 304 sitting it out at the Nimpkish shops.  After starting the day at Beaver Cove switching the sort, the train has arrived at Storey Creek bridge at 09:21 with empties bound for Woss.

 
The 301-302 will be m/u on the north end for a wile. The hours are quite a bit less on the 302 due to the fact it only runs days (one shift). The 304 has the most hours on it being it was the first to have her engine rebuilt. So get used to seeing the 301-302 team Beaver Cove way.
Cheers~
 
Posted by: Firejackel Posted on: Feb 27th, 2009, 6:49pm
For those interested I have outlined a section of the line around Camp A and Nimkish in Google maps. I'm not completely familiar with the area so some names may be incorrect. This is only for reference for a trip I plan on taking this spring.
 
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=Nimkish%20logging&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
 
You can locate the map in Google Maps search for: Nimkish Logging by Rail.
 
Cheers,
John R (Newbie)
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2009, 2:29pm
The latest scuttlebutt has the Englewood Railway shut down again indefinitely.
 
From our February 23 trip, "302 South" is approaching Woss at the Gold Creek overpass:
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 15th, 2009, 1:45am
Managed to get the Feb. 23 photos out of sequence.  These pictures back track to Camp A where "302 south" arrived light engines after leaving the string of empties standing on the main a few kilometers back.  The crew is preparing to dump ballast 0.1 mile north of Camp A.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Mar 15th, 2009, 2:33am
Do the CN ballast cars live up there, or were they ferried over for the ballast job?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 15th, 2009, 5:09pm
on Mar 15th, 2009, 2:33am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Do the CN ballast cars live up there, or were they ferried over for the ballast job?

 
The CN hoppers are part of the fleet.  Track maintenance is an on-going task so no doubt the cars are used quite often though it took 30 years of brief visits to the Nimpkish Valley for me to see the process in action.  There is always a stock pile of ballast at Camp A where it is loaded into the cars using a front-end loader.  You can see the pile at the edge of one of the previous photos.
 
The first cars I remember had a Burlington Route heritage.  At one time it was possible to see traces of "Everywhere West" on the sides of the cars.  Presumably they all came from the same source. It would be interesting to know when the Burlington cars arrived in the Valley.  The picture of the "new car" was the first day I saw one.  They could have arrived years before.
 
The old cars dumped across the track and a tie was placed across the rails in front of a wheel set so that it would slip along spreading the ballast.  The new cars dump to either side of the track so that gravel does not end up on the rails.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 19th, 2009, 12:05am
As mentioned in a previous reply, it took 30 years to be in the right place at the right time to see this.  (From the February 23 visit to the Nimpkish Valley.)
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Mar 19th, 2009, 1:42am
Nice pics. Imagine connecting the E&N to the Englewood Railway. Yes I know, that is a very slim chance. Or is it?
 
Imagine having a true island railway.
 
One of these days I will make it a point of visiting Canfor's logging line.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Mar 19th, 2009, 1:45am
To add to my earlier point. I wonder if the ICF would be interested in purchasing the logging line as well, through similar avenues as they did with the E&N? Like if Canfor would donate the line and get a tax receipt in return?
 
Hmmmm, food for thought.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:05am
Number 301 taken at Woss Lake april 24 2009.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:08am
#304 getting a charge.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:09am
other side of #304 at Beaver Cove getting a charge.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:10am
Steam Loco at Beaver Cove.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:12am
Inside of Steam Loco.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:14am
Overgrown Skeleton Car behind Steam Loco.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:15am
Neat looking track car at Beaver Cove.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:16am
Remains of logging car at Beaver Cove.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:17am
Sand Shed Beaver Cove.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:18am
Caboose at Beaver Cove.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:19am
Caboose at Woss Lake.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:20am
Caboose with #301 and tank cars.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:22am
Speeder at Woss Lake.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:22am
Snow Plow Woss Lake.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:23am
Behind snow plow Woss Lake.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:24am
#113 Steam Loco Woss Lake.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 21st, 2009, 1:25am
Passenger Car Canfor.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 29th, 2009, 2:05am
A young fan from Kansas City requested to see my footage of the log train pull with the 113 that was staged for Pentrex during 1991.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZidI1OWv74Y
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 29th, 2009, 1:22pm
Wow..!!    I moved there about 3 months later and missed all that. Very nice!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: May 31st, 2009, 1:07am
on May 29th, 2009, 1:22pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow..!!    I moved there about 3 months later and missed all that. Very nice!

 
Thanks!  Those were fun times.  Sure came to an abrupt end.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 24th, 2009, 7:25pm
Seemed like a good day to stand in the rain in the Nimpkish Valley.
 
WFI crews were busy trying to clear a back-log of loaded log cars sitting at various locations on the claim so there were opportunities to not only get drenched in typical Nimpkish Valley squalls but to some great train watching in as well.
 
Here the 301 at the "Tank Farm crossing" is delivering empties to the Woss reload at 06:34 in the morning.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 27th, 2009, 4:54pm
The rain took a break on June 24th just as the 302/304 arrived at the Nimpkish Shop spur at 08:31 AM with a string of empties for Camp A.
 
There are no meets at Siding 4 these days.  The 302/304 spend the day shift between the cove and Camp A while the 301 tends to the south end from Siding 6 to Vernon leaving the loads at Siding 6 at the end of the day where they are picked up by the MU'd pair running the night shift.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 28th, 2009, 10:58am
the builders plate on 301
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 28th, 2009, 11:08am
302, resting in the sun at the north end of the woss yard. This picture was taken on the september long weekend of 2006. me and my wife were camping at woss lake, I recomend a trip to the lake, its beautiful.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 28th, 2009, 11:14am
113 resting her old bones(hopefully not permanatly)
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 28th, 2009, 11:53am
on Jun 28th, 2009, 10:58am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
the builders plate on 301

sorry upon further investigation of pictures on this thread i'm going to have to say this is the builders plate on 303.??
Posted by: buchagj Posted on: Jun 29th, 2009, 10:48pm
on Jun 28th, 2009, 11:53am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)

sorry upon further investigation of pictures on this thread i'm going to have to say this is the builders plate on 303.??

 
I am interested in any information on the crew rail buses especially number 123 and it companion car.  I am interested in any information that you can provide.  I am looking to build a 1/8 scale model of the crew cars if I can get enough information.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jun 29th, 2009, 11:12pm
if i remember corectly in the book "Logging By Rail" by Robert D. Turner,
There is a very detailed diagram of a crew bus or "crummie".
All of his Rail Road Books are worth getting. West of the great Divide, and Vancouver Island railroads are both excellent.
Posted by: dhengnr Posted on: Sep 21st, 2009, 8:34am
on Jun 27th, 2009, 4:54pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The rain took a break on June 24th just as the 302/304 arrived at the Nimpkish Shop spur at 08:31 AM with a string of empties for Camp A.
 
There are no meets at Siding 4 these days.  The 302/304 spend the day shift between the cove and Camp A while the 301 tends to the south end from Siding 6 to Vernon leaving the loads at Siding 6 at the end of the day where they are picked up by the MU'd pair running the night shift.

Posted by: dhengnr Posted on: Sep 21st, 2009, 9:10am
I will be visiting the island the week of September 28 th and was curious if the log trains are still running on the same schedule as described in June.  Thank you in advance for any responses.
 
regards
 
chad tykon Sep 21st, 2009, 8:34am, dhengnr wrote:       (Click here for original message)


Posted by: dhengnr Posted on: Sep 25th, 2009, 8:02pm
on Sep 25th, 2009, 12:03am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Have not heard if the railway is back to work after the summer shutdown.

Thank you for the reply.  
 
regards
 
chad tyk
locomotive engineer
Canadian Pacific Railway
Kirkwood, NY USA
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Oct 15th, 2009, 12:24am
All appears well at Beaver Cove last week.  Unfortunately I only got a couple of pix and was unable to fulfill my plan of chasing the train south that evening.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 15th, 2009, 9:16am
Nice shot! I really like that railway.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 4th, 2009, 9:52pm
It was a great fall day in the Nimpkish Valley.  Caught the 301 southbound from Siding 6 with a string of empties and the scale test car (the load of rail is actually the scale test load) bound for Vernon.  The train is at the Shop Road crossing, M37.05.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 5th, 2009, 11:30am
on Nov 4th, 2009, 9:52pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Caught the 301 southbound from Siding 6 with a string of empties and the scale test car (the load of rail is actually the scale test load) bound for Vernon.

 
After spending a number of hours working the south end of the claim, the 301 returns to Woss in the afternoon with a string of 24 loads bound for Siding 6.  
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 10th, 2009, 3:00pm
Speeder 123 waits in track 2 of Siding 4 for the arrival of the 302/304 with a string of 65 empties bound for the southend reloads.  45 cars were left in track 1 and the remaining 20 taken to Siding 6. November 9, 2009
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 10th, 2009, 11:22pm
Backing out of Siding 4 northbound to tend to track maintenance approx. 1 mile away.  The string of 45 empties is visible in the distance.
 
Timberland#7, here is some info to illustrate the Hayes/Gibson relationship.
The 123 body is a Hayes product mounted on Gibson s/n 257 model LO running gear.  CFP bought the speeder new from the Vancouver Equipment Corp. in February 1948 for $13,385.  Coming up to 61 years of service!
 
 
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Nov 11th, 2009, 12:33am
Isnt it intresting sidewinder the quality equipment that has lasted over the years that was built in british columbia.Like our B.C. ferries that have lasted 45 years now we build them in Germany.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 11th, 2009, 2:40am
on Nov 10th, 2009, 11:22pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Backing out of Siding 4 northbound to tend to track maintenance approx. 1 mile away.  The string of 45 empties is visible in the distance.
 
Timberland#7, here is some info to illustrate the Hayes/Gibson relationship.
The 123 body is a Hayes product mounted on Gibson s/n 257 model LO running gear.  CFP bought the speeder new from the Vancouver Equipment Corp. in February 1948 for $13,385.  Coming up to 61 years of service!
 
Quote
 
Great pictures, the reflection in the pond reminds me of the efforts of Dave Wilkie, it is too bad the speeder still were not yellow. Coming up 61 years? I was born in Oct 1948 and I think I am all ready 61. I think it is you that is coming 61. 123 is coming up 62.
 

Great pictures, the reflection in the pond reminds me of the efforts of Dave Wilkie, it is to bad the speeders still were not yellow. Coming up 61 years? I was born in Oct 1948 and I think I am all ready 61. I think it is you that is coming up 61. 123 is coming up 62.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Nov 11th, 2009, 12:11pm
" . . .  it is to bad the speeders still were not yellow."
Here's one at BCFDC  
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 11th, 2009, 1:41pm
on Nov 11th, 2009, 12:33am, timberland#7 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Isnt it intresting sidewinder the quality equipment that has lasted over the years that was built in british columbia.Like our B.C. ferries that have lasted 45 years now we build them in Germany.

Ya, that can hurt a guy's head, alright!  The pride of the fleet..... made in Germany.
 
Here is the July 15, 2009 "Hot Loading" collage that disappeared on you.  This process of loading logs directly onto railcars was more common 50 years ago.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 11th, 2009, 9:15pm
I like that log loading shot Sidewinder, very nice.
 
Andrew
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 15th, 2009, 8:10pm
A couple of the old Burlington Route ballast cars showed up in Woss.  Thought they were no longer on the claim.  They are destined for scrap unless someone rescues them.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Nov 16th, 2009, 12:57am
thanks for reposting sidewinder its to bad direct railcar loading is such a rarity now . Probably my favourite recent photo of any railway.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: Nov 18th, 2009, 12:37am
Sidewinder you might know this. Has there ever been something that resembles 113 in ho scale. I know and have some baldwins that have been done  but dont know of any Alco 2-8-2. Browns book doesnt specify the models manufactor,any help. Thanks timberland #7
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 18th, 2009, 2:11am
Steam whistles sound great  
 
So, does that make it nearly 20 years since 113 was in steam?
Why couldn't they have parked her in a shed and done whatever maintenance would have been necessary to keep a dormant locomotive close to operational?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 18th, 2009, 11:17pm
on Nov 18th, 2009, 2:11am, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Steam whistles sound great  
 
So, does that make it nearly 20 years since 113 was in steam?
Why couldn't they have parked her in a shed and done whatever maintenance would have been necessary to keep a dormant locomotive close to operational?

MinionII, the last run was in 94 or 95 so one could say it is around 15 years since the 113 was in steam.  It was hauled from Woss to Nimpkish in 1988 for restoration. Tfctrains and I took the day off work so we could follow the train (302 pulling the 113 backwards with an idler flat between).  Rather a strange sight, the 113 clanking along with atomized oil wafting from the stack giving the illusion the engine was under steam.  Perhaps it would be an idea to post the video we took on Youtube?
 
Things weren't the same after there was a change of command at corporate headquarters.  The 113 fell out of favour.  The steam crew retired.  Those remaining lost heart, perhaps.  There are no storage facilities at Woss.  You could probably answer your question, though, with one word: money.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 19th, 2009, 12:14am
How extensive was the overhaul to get her back into steam in '88?
 
I hate to see the investment in restoring her wasted like that.
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Nov 19th, 2009, 1:13am
on Nov 19th, 2009, 12:14am, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)
How extensive was the overhaul to get her back into steam in '88?
 
I hate to see the investment in restoring her wasted like that.

 
I agree, and almost 15 years in the Vancouver Island climate can't be good. They would probably have to completely restore it like they did in 1988. I've heard rumors of Alberni Pacific wanting it, as it is the ex-APR No.6 but whether or not they have the money to move and restore it is another question.  
 
I would think they'd either have to truck 113 to Courtenay and by rail to Alberni, truck 113 to Alberni, barge 113 to Nanaimo and by rail or truck to Alberni, or barge 113 to Alberni. Either way it would be a fair chunk of change for such a move.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 20th, 2009, 5:27pm
on Nov 19th, 2009, 1:13am, cn8863 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
From cn8863:  I agree, and almost 15 years in the Vancouver Island climate can't be good. They would probably have to completely restore it like they did in 1988. I've heard rumors of Alberni Pacific wanting it, as it is the ex-APR No.6 but whether or not they have the money to move and restore it is another question.  
 
I would think they'd either have to truck 113 to Courtenay and by rail to Alberni, truck 113 to Alberni, barge 113 to Nanaimo and by rail or truck to Alberni, or barge 113 to Alberni. Either way it would be a fair chunk of change for such a move.
 
From MinionII:  How extensive was the overhaul to get her back into steam in '88?  
 
I hate to see the investment in restoring her wasted like that.  
 

Your comments, MinionII and CN8863, got me thinking about the time the 113 was removed from the pedestal in Woss so she could be the star attraction at the company's 50th anniversary celebrations.  I used the word restoration a few replies back which was probably a poor choice.  To quote CN8863, "They would probably have to completely restore it like they did in 1988."  There was no "complete restoration".
 
After asking around to get a feel for what fans remember of the events in 1988, it would seem the main concern was the condition of the bearings and running gear after sitting so long, though, you would not think that was the case since the steamer was hauled at a pretty good clip behind the 302 on the way to Nimpkish.  No-one remembers anything major like tubes needing attention, though, I want to say there were a few broken stay bolts.  The boiler jacket and lagging were not touched.  There are dents in the jacket that have been there since the 113's days at Chemainus over half a century ago.  I recall an issue with the trailing truck one season.  If I remember correctly, the metallurgy of the wheel set was no longer approved but the wheels could remain in service until it was time to do truck repairs.  Once the truck reached the point where something had to be done, it was necessary to find a replacement wheel set.
 
So really, the preparation needed to get the old girl back into steam was mainly cosmetic.  Wouldn't be surprised if there was more money spent restoring (in this case the word applies) the coach, the Grey Ghost.  The engine was duly moth-balled for the sit on the pedestal in Woss long before 1988.  I suspect it is in the same preserved state today and the engine's appearance is not as serious as you might think.  The drains have been pulled from the mud rings.  So, chances are, the 113 needs only a fire in her belly to return to glory.  One of the team members who will be involved with the 113 when it arrives in Port Alberni thinks it will only require an "external" with an "internal" done in a year or two.
 
So, CN8863, the 15 years out in the weather is probably no big deal.  A bit of paint, a few plugs put back in place, water in the glass, flames in the firebox and the whistle will be echoing off the hills once again. Here's hoping!
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Nov 21st, 2009, 10:38am
I have had a chance to "ring" the ol girls bell on a few occasions not too long ago. It was nice to see some of  the railway employees come out of there offices to look and see if the ol girl was alive. Kinda gave me shivers down my spine. Just don't hear that kinda bell anymore.
 
 
 
 
on Nov 20th, 2009, 5:27pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Your comments, MinionII and CN8863, got me thinking about the time the 113 was removed from the pedestal in Woss so she could be the star attraction at the company's 50th anniversary celebrations.  I used the word restoration a few replies back which was probably a poor choice.  To quote CN8863, "They would probably have to completely restore it like they did in 1988."  There was no "complete restoration".
 
After asking around to get a feel for what fans remember of the events in 1988, it would seem the main concern was the condition of the bearings and running gear after sitting so long, though, you would not think that was the case since the steamer was hauled at a pretty good clip behind the 302 on the way to Nimpkish.  No-one remembers anything major like tubes needing attention, though, I want to say there were a few broken stay bolts.  The boiler jacket and lagging were not touched.  There are dents in the jacket that have been there since the 113's days at Chemainus over half a century ago.  I recall an issue with the trailing truck one season.  If I remember correctly, the metallurgy of the wheel set was no longer approved but the wheels could remain in service until it was time to do truck repairs.  Once the truck reached the point where something had to be done, it was necessary to find a new wheel set.
 
So really, the preparation needed to get the old girl back into steam was mainly cosmetic.  Wouldn't be surprised if there was more money spent restoring (in this case the word applies) the coach, the Grey Ghost.  The engine was duly moth-balled for the sit on the pedestal in Woss long before 1988.  I suspect it is in the same preserved state today and the engine's appearance is not as serious as you might think.  The drains have been pulled from the mud rings.  So, chances are, the 113 needs only a fire in her belly to return to glory.  One of the team members who will be involved with the 113 when it arrives in Port Alberni thinks it will only require an "external" with an "internal" done in a year or two.
 
So, CN8863, the 15 years out in the weather is probably no big deal.  A bit of paint, a few plugs put back in place, water in the glass, flames in the firebox and the whistle will be echoing off the hills once again. Here's hoping!

Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 24th, 2009, 12:32am
on Nov 20th, 2009, 5:27pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

No-one remembers anything major like tubes needing attention, though, I want to say there were a few broken stay bolts.

 
I lied, as it was learned today.  Some of the boiler tubes were replaced.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2009, 11:57am
Great photo! Thanks for climbing up the hill to make it so. Thnx for the Englewood Nimpkish  
GPS Coordinates: 50°20'13.80"N 126°54'52.60"W
Posted by: Mark J Posted on: Dec 27th, 2009, 4:33pm
I came across this picture today
http://www.pbase.com/semaphore7/image/106005081
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2010, 1:41am
Another photo from the Sept 86 trip showing 302 southbound at Maquilla Creek Bridge Mile 50.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Jan 16th, 2010, 9:26pm
truely one of the neatest movies I have seen on Youtube. thank you for that.
Posted by: KaiserWilhelm Posted on: Feb 16th, 2010, 5:28am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99VbjraJleo
 
If this video is a repost, then I appologize. Seeing the 113 in action is a thing of beauty.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Feb 16th, 2010, 11:23am
Thanks for the link to the 40-minute video. I watched the first part and will connect my notebook to my 40inch HDTV monitor to view the rest. What an historical treasure this video is!  
Posted by: KaiserWilhelm Posted on: Feb 17th, 2010, 3:40am
Is there a name for the particular type of stack extension/spark reducer that they used on the #113? I'd like to pick something similar up for one of my engines, but need to know what I'm looking for first.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Feb 17th, 2010, 9:41am
Here are a string of cars in the yard at woss. I went up island this weekend to do some camping so I had to stop in at woss for some quick pictures. This picture was taken on Feb 14 2010
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Feb 17th, 2010, 9:45am
here is a good one. Picture taken on Feb 14,2010
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Feb 17th, 2010, 9:50am
One more, taken on the same day,
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Feb 18th, 2010, 11:00pm
thats pretty awsome!, to bad I missed it. i sure would have liked to see that. I would Also have to say that Madill sure was a nice piece of equipment. Thanks for posting.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Feb 20th, 2010, 1:17am
The 304 arrives Beaver Cove with six "hot-loaded" cars from Mile 8 while the 302 sits sidelined with a faulty traction motor.  February 19, 2010
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 5th, 2010, 2:31am
I'm often surprised by the people I sometimes meet while on the job.  Yesterday I was in someones home when I noticed a picture on the wall with a vaguely familiar scene.  Turns out the gentleman used to work on the Canfor line building bridges for 35 years until his retirement in 1985.
 
Sometime around 1975 the bridge over Gold Creek near Woss caught fire. A worker was cutting a bolt off with a grinder which got very hot.  It fell down between the timbers before he could catch it, it ignited the creosote soaked wood.  It burned all night and people as far away as Port McNeill drove down to see the spectacle.
 
Repair was time consuming and difficult (cost approx $800,000) and required shaving off the charred surface.  Rail movements were still required and what they would do was have an engine push the cars across to a waiting engine on the other side which took it from there.  The weight restrictions prevented the units from crossing the bridge while it was being repaired.
 
I apologize for the quality of the following two pics, there are some reflections of the room behind me as I was taking a picture of a picture.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 5th, 2010, 2:32am
Bridge being repaired...
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 8th, 2010, 10:37pm
on Mar 5th, 2010, 2:32am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Bridge being repaired...

It seems I met a fellow with photos to complement Garrah's pictures.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Mar 9th, 2010, 12:09am
great pictures guys! The scenery on the north end of the island is pretty spectacular. i have plans to one day build a model railway that would expand the canfor system to Tahsis and Gold River! one day
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 11th, 2010, 11:42am
on Mar 10th, 2010, 11:56pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Fantastic pics, Sidewinder.  I was told they were taken by a foreman (I didn't catch the name but he did mention it).

 
I suspect the foreman you mention is the fellow who gave me a copy of the "bridge on fire" photo.  I didn't ask permission to post it so it seemed best to pull it.  Your post tells the story anyway.  The bridge construction photos came from a different source.
 
Two crews are working once again.  The MU'd pair where teamed up to work the north end on Tuesday (9th) after being apart for quite a few weeks.  The 301 is worked the south end.  Since there is only one reload in operation (Woss), the inactivity on the line to Vernon Camp provided an opportunity to do some ballasting.  The photo shows the ballast train entering the H line southbound for Vernon.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Mar 11th, 2010, 10:08pm
Thank you for all of the updated Photo's.  
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Mar 12th, 2010, 3:56pm
I'm really loving all the pictures of the Canfor railway.
 
Their bridge architecture is truly artistic.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 12th, 2010, 10:44pm
on Mar 12th, 2010, 3:56pm, Mill_Bay wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm really loving all the pictures of the Canfor railway.
 
Their bridge architecture is truly artistic.

 
Nice to know you are enjoying the Englewood photos  
 
Today's bridges on the Englewood Railway look utilitarian.  Most, if not all, are steel structures.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 13th, 2010, 12:06am
There were stories about how the 112 was moved when put on display at Beaver Cove.  Some pictures surfaced to prove it.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Mar 13th, 2010, 3:15am
Looks like a giant yellow tarantula is carrying 112 off to its nest.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Mar 13th, 2010, 10:47am
WoW, I showed my kids and they got upset. hahaha "dad whats eating the tank engine!"
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 15th, 2010, 8:22pm
on Mar 13th, 2010, 3:15am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Looks like a giant yellow tarantula is carrying 112 off to its nest.

 
Interesting analogy!  Could swear I heard someone call the Wagners "earwigs" at one time but can't find anyone to back me up.  Probably dreamt it.  Anyway, the tarantula version is much better!
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 16th, 2010, 2:33am
#303 sits tarped over at the tail end of the lead to Nimpkish shops.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 16th, 2010, 3:08am
#302 and 304 at Beaver Cove awaiting their next assignment.  Nice of them to clear out the brush here.. now one can get up close and get clear pics without trespassing.  
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Mar 16th, 2010, 4:56am
That's a huge log on that closest car
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Mar 17th, 2010, 1:07am
on Mar 12th, 2010, 10:44pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Nice to know you are enjoying the Englewood photos  
 
Today's bridges on the Englewood Railway look utilitarian.  Most, if not all, are steel structures.

 
I still find them interesting, even if they aren't wood.
 
I like the combined road-rail aspect of most of them. It's actually a good inspiration for anyone looking for modelling ideas.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 17th, 2010, 10:07pm
on Mar 16th, 2010, 3:08am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
#302 and 304 at Beaver Cove awaiting their next assignment.  Nice of them to clear out the brush here.. now one can get up close and get clear pics without trespassing.  

 
Looks like you managed to get a Monday off.  Were the engines tied up already by the time you got to Beaver Cove?
 
Nice crisp clear pictures.  My point and shoot can let me down under certain conditions.  If light is low, a moving train will be blurred like in the photo below.  Thought I would post it anyway. It is 11:09 AM at Mile 19.9 on March 9 when the 302 and 304 leave siding 3 with a string of empties.  The engines were mu'd moments before after being apart for a number of weeks.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 17th, 2010, 10:21pm
on Mar 17th, 2010, 1:07am, Mill_Bay wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I still find them interesting, even if they aren't wood.
 
I like the combined road-rail aspect of most of them. It's actually a good inspiration for anyone looking for modelling ideas.

 
Oh, ya, me too.  Don't get me wrong.  I will photograph any of the steel bridges given the opportunity.  You used the word artistic and, in my opinion, the wooden bridges are more artsy than the steel versions.
 
Here is an early road-rail bridge being built near Woss in the mid-fifties.  Interesting that the aerial photo was taken about the same time.  The spar tree shows the bridge-building technique using a sky line.  There is a tank car supplying fuel to the unit at the base of the tree.  The photos have been in a closet for 50 years.  The owner was kind enough to share her husbands photos.  Largest colour slides I have ever seen!
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Mar 17th, 2010, 10:46pm
Excellent find, Sidewinder.
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Mar 20th, 2010, 1:32pm
That is a really incredible scene.  
 
A perfect illustration of the totally independent logging railway that can do everything for itself.  
 
I really like the suspension bridge alongside it allowing foot traffic for the bridge construction.
 
I was actually mostly referring to the wood bridges anyway, when I used the word artistic.
 It would be great to see more scenes of the old wooden ones.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 20th, 2010, 2:38pm
on Mar 17th, 2010, 10:07pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Looks like you managed to get a Monday off.  Were the engines tied up already by the time you got to Beaver Cove?
 
Nice crisp clear pictures.  My point and shoot can let me down under certain conditions.  If light is low, a moving train will be blurred like in the photo below.

Yes, they were tied up by the time I got there in the early afternoon.  I spent some time exploring the section between just south of Markusen's Crossing and north to Twin Bridges and then up near the Beaver Cove/Hwy 19 intersection before I got there.  
 
You're not alone!  I too find it challenging to take low light action pics.  They almost always turn out blurred on my Canon.  I haven't quite found the right settings for optimal results yet, but i'll keep trying!  
 
I echo MillBays sentiments on the slides!  Those are great and expose a lot of history I wasn't aware of.    Pass on our thanks to the photographers family for sharing.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 21st, 2010, 1:35am
on Mar 20th, 2010, 1:32pm, Mill_Bay wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 It would be great to see more scenes of the old wooden ones.

 
Here are a few from June 27, 1990. Seems to me it was not long until the wooden bridge over the Davie River was replaced.  
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 21st, 2010, 1:53am
on Mar 20th, 2010, 2:38pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Yes, they were tied up by the time I got there in the early afternoon.  I spent some time exploring the section between just south of Markusen's Crossing and north to Twin Bridges and then up near the Beaver Cove/Hwy 19 intersection before I got there.  
 
You're not alone!  I too find it challenging to take low light action pics.  They almost always turn out blurred on my Canon.  I haven't quite found the right settings for optimal results yet, but i'll keep trying!  
 
I echo MillBays sentiments on the slides!  Those are great and expose a lot of history I wasn't aware of.    Pass on our thanks to the photographers family for sharing.

 
We were standing close to the same spot as you just before noon of February 19.  The crew was preparing to tie up with a few moves taking place after this photo.
 
I still carry a SLR with slide film when I need predictability.  Processing the slides is a problem and there is not a film out there that can replace the old Kodachromes.
 
The history you mentioned.  Do you mean the rail-road bridge over the Nimpkish River? The Woss reload at one time was close to the campground at Woss Lake. Trains used to pass through Woss.  I have a  1979 photo of an empty train passing through Woss heading for the lake, but never did get a chance to photograph any kind of train on the bridge. The "new" Woss reload was in service during our next visit to the area in 1981 and the line to the lake was gone.
 
 
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Mar 30th, 2010, 11:48pm
on Mar 21st, 2010, 1:35am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Here are a few from June 27, 1990. Seems to me it was not long until the wooden bridge over the Davie River was replaced.  

 
Wow! There's almost as much timber in the river as there is in the bridge in those images.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2010, 12:16am
on Mar 30th, 2010, 11:48pm, Mill_Bay wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow! There's almost as much timber in the river as there is in the bridge in those images.

Yes, wood seems to find its way into water courses where there is logging activity.  That is the second location for the Davie River bridge.  The first was upstream from the present location.  There is a remote possibly that some of the logs you see in the river are remnants from the first bridge.
 
Went looking for a photo of the present day steel bridge but it would seem there isn't one in my collection except this freeze-frame (facing north) from a VHS tape from 1992.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Apr 8th, 2010, 11:45pm
Well, at long last and after numerous tries I finally got to chase a train.    I spent the afternoon exploring and chasing a train from Beaver Cove to Camp-A Reload and then back to Siding 3 when it finally got too dark and I ran out of space on my memory card.
 
Here's the train leaving Beaver Cove with a load of empties.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Apr 8th, 2010, 11:49pm
After dropping off some of the empties at Siding 3 (about 1 km behind the train) the train pulls out for Camp-A.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Apr 8th, 2010, 11:53pm
Here they are arriving just shy of Camp-A Reload.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Apr 9th, 2010, 12:02am
Building the next train.  I followed them back down as far as Siding-3 when I terminated the chase due to darkness and rain, and a full memory card.  I didn't get home until after midnight... ugh. Long day.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 9th, 2010, 1:35am
on Apr 9th, 2010, 12:02am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Building the next train.  I followed them back down as far as Siding-3 when I terminated the chase due to darkness and rain, and a full memory card.  I didn't get home until after midnight... ugh. Long day.

Great pictures, Sidewinder and I were up there last week, it was also midnight when I got home. It hard to leave the Nimpkish Valley!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Apr 17th, 2010, 2:54pm
on Apr 8th, 2010, 11:45pm, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Well, at long last and after numerous tries I finally got to chase a train.    I spent the afternoon exploring and chasing a train from Beaver Cove to Camp-A Reload and then back to Siding 3 when it finally got too dark and I ran out of space on my memory card.
 
Here's the train leaving Beaver Cove with a load of empties.

Nice!  So you finally got to the right place at the right time.  Really like the photo showing the train leaving the cove.
 
We visited Maquilla a few days ago.  Here the 301 arrives on the run-around track with a string of empties for the reload.
Posted by: canfor113 Posted on: Apr 24th, 2010, 3:38pm
nice picture. what happened to the 303? i hardly see pictures of it anymore, can someone post some pics of it on here please.
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: May 12th, 2010, 3:23pm
I was sorting through a bunch of old videos last night, that someone gave me to put onto DVDs. One of them had an old news feature on the Canfor railway, made when the railroad workers were presented with an award regarding the historic nature of their way of life. I can't quite remember which historical association it was the recognized them.
 
Anyway, it was quite interesting to see the railroad, including lots of moving shots onboard the train, as well as an excursion of school students with the old 113 and commentary from two of the remaining steam engineers.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: May 16th, 2010, 1:37am
on Dec 20th, 2007, 1:12am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mile 12.85 CFP's Englewood Railway, Halfway Islands Creek Trestle, now removed and by-passed. Frank Carter Photo

Another picture from the past. CFP 303 southbound at Steele creek.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: May 16th, 2010, 11:10pm
on Apr 24th, 2010, 3:38pm, canfor113 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
nice picture. what happened to the 303? i hardly see pictures of it anymore, can someone post some pics of it on here please.

 
#303 seems to be tarped over and out of service for about 2 years now? It's usually parked somewhere around the Nimpkish shops.  I have pics of it there in April 2009 and it was still there on April 14, 2010 when the picture below was taken.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 7th, 2010, 12:24am
Tfctrains and I decided it was time for a driving tour of the Nimpkish Valley for old time's sake.  We ended up on a cross country jaunt on a bush-encroached road with minimal walking required to get to the site of the Tsulton River bridge.  Bear sign everywhere.  Had a discusssion who should be bear bait but we got back to the truck before an altercation presented itself!  I had not seen the bridge since 1984.  Looks somewhat different.  The Tsultan River bridge is at M4.3 of the Englewood Railway.  It would have been nice to see a train, but since it was Saturday, a day and a half wait did not seem like a good idea.
Posted by: wx732 Posted on: Jun 7th, 2010, 1:27am
As I have seen noted in many a place remember the following:
 
Don't have to be faster than the bear.  Just have to be faster than slowest member of party
 
I'd love to go north & do a rail tour, but...still have a lot to do around here.  We (Daniel, my 4.5 Year old) and I went around the circle route from Duncan- Renfrew, and boy can you tell when you leave the railway ROW and go onto the road instead...
 
James
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Jun 7th, 2010, 3:48pm
Wow! That's another excellent picture of the line. Even though it's not a wood trestle, it's still a pretty neat looking bridge, with great scenery in the background. There are just so many structures up there that cry out to be modelled, too. I really like that picture.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 8th, 2010, 1:47am
on Jun 7th, 2010, 4:32am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Oh wow, I was going to go to the same spot on saturday as well but ended up staying close to home tied up with other things.  The whole time at the back of my mind I was having thoughts of regrets as the weather turned out beautiful.  Nice pic, btw!
 
Going off track here; I recall a hiking joke. 2 guys are out hiking when one suddenly stops, sits down, takes off his hiking boots and starts tieing on his running shoes. His partner stops to watch and asks him what he's doing.  He replies, "I'm putting on my running shoes."  His partner says, "I can see that, but why?"  "Bears" he says. "You idiot, you can't outrun a bear."  The guy looks up at him calmly and says, "I don't need to outrun the bear. I need to outrun you."  

It would have been great meeting you in the valley.  Would rather bump into you than a bear.
 
You and wx732 might have the scenario all wrong, by the way.  If I was a bear, I would bypass the old, tired, probably tough and stringy catch and head straight for the young, fast, probably good and tender one!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Jun 8th, 2010, 1:49am
on Jun 7th, 2010, 3:48pm, Mill_Bay wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow! That's another excellent picture of the line. Even though it's not a wood trestle, it's still a pretty neat looking bridge, with great scenery in the background. There are just so many structures up there that cry out to be modelled, too. I really like that picture.

 
Thanks.  Looking forward to seeing your model!
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Jun 11th, 2010, 3:38pm
on Jun 8th, 2010, 1:49am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks.  Looking forward to seeing your model!

 
Ha-ha, that may be a while,  . Especially since the railway I really want to model is the PGE and not Canfor. However, the part of the PGE I was thinking of imagineering is the part that never got built: the Dease Lake line extending north from Fort St. James. There was a lot of log haul on the operated portion of that line, however, so I look at the Canfor operation as having a lot of elements that could easily be translated to that kind of freelance concept. I've always particularly liked the idea of most of the bridges on Canfor being combined road-rail bridges, which would be just perfect for the type of operations I want to try.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 15th, 2010, 6:59pm
WFP will be handling more loads than usual out of Vernon over the next number of months.
 
The photos show the 301 arriving at the Vernon run-around with a string of 35 empties September 30, 2010.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 15th, 2010, 10:29pm
on Oct 15th, 2010, 6:59pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
WFP will be handling more loads than usual out of Vernon over the next number of months.
 
The photos show the 301 arriving at the Vernon run-around with a string of 35 empties September 30, 2010.

Great photo's Sidewinder, it is time you took your pal for a tour in Canfor Country.
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 17th, 2010, 11:58am
How long of a drive from goldriver? half hour 45 minutes?? I'll be working in gold river all next week it would be cool to get some shots of a real train!
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 18th, 2010, 1:57am
on Oct 17th, 2010, 11:58am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
How long of a drive from goldriver? half hour 45 minutes?? I'll be working in gold river all next week it would be cool to get some shots of a real train!

We have not been through that way for years not sure of the road condition these days, if I remember right it is about 25 miles through that
way and would take at least an hour or more. Someone in Gold River should be able to let you know present conditions, Good Luck
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Oct 18th, 2010, 9:19am
I went camping at  vernon lake on may long weekend and i went in through woss and came out through goldriver but i made lots of stops and detours so i can't remember exactly how long it took. The road was in great condition as far as logging roads go. I'll scout it out and take some pictures though.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 18th, 2010, 5:56pm
on Oct 18th, 2010, 9:19am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I went camping at  vernon lake on may long weekend and i went in through woss and came out through goldriver but i made lots of stops and detours so i can't remember exactly how long it took. The road was in great condition as far as logging roads go. I'll scout it out and take some pictures though.

The distance from Gold River to Vernon is appox. 22 miles as the crow flies.  So, 25-30 miles by road seems reasonable. Perhaps 1 to 1.5 hours will get you to there.
 
We go in from Woss so we can determine where the trains are heading during the day.  The southend unit might not make a trip to Vernon the day you decide to visit.  Give a few days heads-up and maybe we can determine whether you can expect loads to be taken out of Vernon.
 
The Sept. 30th train arrived Vernon at 11:45 and was ready to return to Woss at 13:00.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 18th, 2010, 11:46pm
on Oct 18th, 2010, 5:56pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

The distance from Gold River to Vernon is appox. 22 miles as the crow flies.  So, 25-30 miles by road seems reasonable. Perhaps 1 to 1.5 hours will get you to there.
 
We go in from Woss so we can determine where the trains are headed for during the day.  The southend unit might not make a trip to Vernon the day you decide to visit.  Give a few days heads-up and maybe we can determine whether you can expect loads to be taken out of Vernon.
 
The Sept. 30th train arrived Vernon at 11:45 and was ready to return to Woss at 13:00.

Now that is Railfanning! Great photo,s Sidewinder!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Oct 19th, 2010, 1:18am
on Oct 18th, 2010, 11:46pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Now that is Railfanning! Great photo,s Sidewinder!

Thanks!  So when we goin'?  We'll have to draw straws to see who gets to be bear bait.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Oct 19th, 2010, 1:32am
on Oct 19th, 2010, 1:18am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Thanks!  So when we goin'?  We'll have to draw straws to see who gets to be bear bait.

I still can run pretty fast!
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 10th, 2010, 9:31pm
Trains crossing the Davie River during the Canfor days:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvHsd7sIvIw
 
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 10th, 2010, 10:00pm
Great stuff again Sidewinder! I have to get up there one of these days......
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 11th, 2010, 2:04pm
on Nov 10th, 2010, 10:00pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great stuff again Sidewinder! I have to get up there one of these days......

You would love it, one of the last great places on earth for a railfan who enjoys seeing a train load of logs heading for the beach!
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Nov 11th, 2010, 3:08pm
well I never got a chance to see any trains it was dark by the time i was done work. lucky for me some nice people post all sorts of awsome pics on this page!! thanks.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 11th, 2010, 3:54pm
on Nov 11th, 2010, 2:04pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

You would love it, one of the last great places on earch for a railfan who enjoys seeing a train load of logs heading for the beach!

 
I'm roughly planning on a spring trip up there, hopefully thats a good time of year to go! I will probably be asking for info from you guys as the time gets near, I've never been north of Campbell River.
 
ENRFAN: I agree, very nice people  
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 11th, 2010, 10:43pm
on Nov 11th, 2010, 3:54pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I'm roughly planning on a spring trip up there, hopefully thats a good time of year to go! I will probably be asking for info from you guys as the time gets near, I've never been north of Campbell River.  
 
 
By all means.... there might be some scuttlebutt to pass along.  Spring is great.  You might have to deal with Nimpkish Valley squalls.  But, if you don't like the weather wait 5 minutes or drive 5 km down the road!
 
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 15th, 2010, 4:46pm
A video showing the process at Beaver Cove:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pIztA-Sj7c
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 15th, 2010, 10:31pm
That seals it, I'm going!  
 
Is most of the line accessible, any kind of map you recommend?
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Nov 16th, 2010, 12:36am
With any luck this coming summer I will get a chance to get up to the north end of the island too.  I have been up many times but really want to take some pics of the wet shay.  Last time I took my ex up there the loader operator waved a tong at her before unloading a car infront of her lol, just floored her.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 17th, 2010, 1:54am
on Nov 15th, 2010, 10:31pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That seals it, I'm going!  
 
Is most of the line accessible, any kind of map you recommend?

 
At one time, there was a North Island map published but I have not seen one for years.  The Vancouver Island Backroad Mapbook will work.
 
The line is accessible on pavement at Beaver Cove and from approx. Mile 12 to Woss in places.  The road into Beaver Cove parallels the Kokish River bridge seen in the video.  The line from Woss to Vernon intersects dirt roads of varying condition, generally good.  The Mapbook will guide you off-road if you want to get adventuresome dodging logging trucks.  "Pavement" railfanning can keep you busy if it is your first visit to the Nimpkish Valley.  These photos taken 15 years apart near Mile 0 were taken from the road at approximately the same spot.  All you need is favourable weather and a train in the vicinity.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: Nov 17th, 2010, 8:18am
This is from memory and from 6,000 miles away (in UK). There's even part of the line close alongside the highway (No. 19?) at the Steel Creek trestle. Sadly there was no train when I was there. Camp A Reload is often busy and that's right on the highway, north of Woss. If you check in at the office in Woss, they're very obliging at telling you where the trains are.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 18th, 2010, 7:45pm
Western is about a week away from winter shutdown.
Today provided my first opportunity in 30 years to photograph a moving train in the snow, what there was of it, on the Englewood Railway.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 18th, 2010, 10:41pm
on Nov 18th, 2010, 7:45pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Western is about a week away from winter shutdown.
Today provided my first opportunity in 30 years to photograph a moving train in the snow, what there was of it, on the Englewood Railway.

A beautiful reflection, Dave Wilkie will be smiling down on you!
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 18th, 2010, 11:22pm
That's a fantastic photo Sidewinder, nothing better than trains in the snow! How long do they shut down for the winter?
 
Thanks everyone for the info, I'll have to pick up the Vancouver Island Backroad Mapbook for starters.  
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 12:30am
on Nov 18th, 2010, 7:45pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Western is about a week away from winter shutdown.
Today provided my first opportunity in 30 years to photograph a moving train in the snow, what there was of it, on the Englewood Railway.

 
That's a great Christmas card shot!
love it!
Thanks for posting it!
Will
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 12:33am
on Nov 18th, 2010, 10:41pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A beautiful reflection, Dave Wilkie will be smiling down on you!

Not too sure about that.  He would be shaking his head.  I misjudged things a bit and cut off the reflection of the nose.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 12:36am
on Nov 18th, 2010, 11:22pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That's a fantastic photo Sidewinder, nothing better than trains in the snow! How long do they shut down for the winter?
 
Thanks everyone for the info, I'll have to pick up the Vancouver Island Backroad Mapbook for starters.  
Thanks, Vicguy.
Hard to say about the shutdown.  February or March maybe.  Depends on what mother nature has in store.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 12:48am
on Nov 19th, 2010, 12:30am, thehighwayman wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
That's a great Christmas card shot!
love it!
Thanks for posting it!
Will
Interesting that you should say that, Will.  Thought to myself it would make a good candidate to plaster "Season's Greetings" across the top.  Got more than one photo today, though. Decisions, decisions.....
The ground fog at Camp A made for an interesting mood when the 301/304 were switching the reload.  Not a heck of a lot of snow.  But, there is a bit dusting the loads standing on the main in the background.
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 8:01am
on Nov 19th, 2010, 12:48am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Interesting that you should say that, Will.  Thought to myself it would make a good candidate to plaster "Season's Greetings" across the top.  Got more than one photo today, though. Decisions, decisions.....
The ground fog at Camp A made for an interesting mood when the 301/304 were switching the reload.  Not a heck of a lot of snow.  But, there is a bit dusting the loads standing on the main in the background.

 
 
Both are great for Christmas cards!
w
Posted by: ENRFAN Posted on: Nov 19th, 2010, 9:16am
Its been said allready but I will say it again, Great shots!!
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Feb 11th, 2011, 5:18pm
Hey, just to add in my voice, and re-iterate, that those two winter photos from Englewood are simply spectacular! I especially like the second one at Camp A looks particularly breathtaking: nice and cool and foggy. Perfect coastal conditions, yet it still has a nice amount of colors in it to make for a very complete and storied image.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Feb 16th, 2011, 10:03pm
on Feb 12th, 2011, 1:01am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks!
 
That fog was there one moment, gone the next.

I had a chance to bum a ride to the Nimpkish Valley and back yesterday,some fog, lots of mud, quite a bit of snow and lots of logs moving.  WFP 302 making up a train of 36 cars to haul to Beaver Cove, great day. At present they are only hauling out of Camp A Reload.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 16th, 2011, 11:21pm
I thought they were shut down for the winter?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 12:00am
on Feb 16th, 2011, 11:21pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I thought they were shut down for the winter?

Not sure when they went back to work, but it sounds like they have lots of wood to process. There is even talk of hauling wood both ways, cedar and pulp would go south and then west to Gold River, by train and truck. Fir would  come from Gold River to the south end of the line and train to Beaver Cove.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 12:41am
Pictures from the past. CFP 304 heading for the Beach. May 1990
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 12:51am
on Mar 7th, 2011, 12:41am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Pictures from the past. CFP 304 heading for the Beach. May 1990

Another photo showing CFP 302 passing over Groves Creek.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 12:51am
on Mar 7th, 2011, 12:41am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Pictures from the past. CFP 304 heading for the Beach. May 1990

 
Ah, it does the heart good!  From the days when logging locomotives where painted like logging locomotives.
 
That is a good lookin' fella standing on that rock peak.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 1:27am
on Mar 7th, 2011, 12:51am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Another photo showing CFP 302 passing over Groves Creek.

This photo showing CFP 302 heading south for another train of logs.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 1:32am
on Mar 7th, 2011, 1:27am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

This photo showing CFP 302 heading south for another train of logs.

Just about at the Beach (Beaver Cove) with a train load of logs, CFP 304.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 7th, 2011, 1:34am
on Mar 7th, 2011, 12:51am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Ah, it does the heart good!  From the days when logging locomotives where painted like logging locomotives.
 
That is a good lookin' fella standing on that rock peak.

Yes, you are right.
Posted by: master631 Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 7:54pm
Hi at all,i'm new on this fantastic forum,i need an help please about the speeder 123 and his wagon,someone can help me to found any drawings or diagram or the exact name of the builders of it?i have tryed on the web about Hayes or Gibson but show me all about Gibson guitars or Hayes british station    
 
tnks for your helps
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 12:47am
on Apr 1st, 2011, 7:54pm, master631 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi at all,i'm new on this fantastic forum,i need an help please about the speeder 123 and his wagon,someone can help me to found any drawings or diagram or the exact name of the builders of it?i have tryed on the web about Hayes or Gibson but show me all about Gibson guitars or Hayes british station    
 
tnks for your helps

 
The 123's body was built by Hayes Mfg. Co, Vancouver, B.C. on Gibson running gear.  Logging speeders did not receive as much attention as their locomotive stable mates so information is sketchy.  This is an inventory photo proving the date the speeder arrived in the Nimpkish Valley.
 
The trailer, also Gibson, came from Bloedel Stewart & Welch's operation at Menzies Bay when their railway shutdown in 1953.
 
Speeder drawings have been published in Tall Timber Shortlines, Timber Times, and Model Railroad Craftsman over the years.  I do not recall seeing drawings for the #123 specifically.
 
Posted by: master631 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 3:55pm
thank you very much Sidewinder and regards from an italian fan of logging operations  
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 2:53am
on Apr 2nd, 2011, 3:55pm, master631 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
thank you very much Sidewinder and regards from an italian fan of logging operations  

For you Canfor Fans found on the newsstand tonight in Cumberland.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: May 14th, 2011, 11:48pm
I checked and Bolen Books in Hillside Mall in Victoria has the magazine.  I got it and it is an interesting article with good pics.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: May 15th, 2011, 7:27pm
Thanks for the heads up on this magazine, tfctrains. Are the daily operations described in the article fairly accurate? I'm still hoping to get up there at some point.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: May 16th, 2011, 1:02am
on May 15th, 2011, 7:27pm, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks for the heads up on this magazine, tfctrains. Are the daily operations described in the article fairly accurate? I'm still hoping to get up there at some point.

The daily operations are described in the article, rough times are given for the various way points. A scanner does help plus the backroad mapbooks. When we are in the Nimpkish Valley and spending time trackside we stop in at the Rail dispatcher shack and let him know what we are up to. We always have a hardhat and a  high vis-vest on. They are very concerned about safety.
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: May 18th, 2011, 4:45pm
Definitely a must buy! I will look for it in the stores.
 
I just recently also picked up a back issue of CTC Board magazine that had an article about the Englewood operations as well. Some years old, however, as everything was still in the yellow. I also owe the Mainland Modular Railway Society a donation for it next time I see them .
Posted by: 12-278a Posted on: Aug 21st, 2011, 10:09pm
I played hooky from work a few days ago and was finaly able to see the railroad in action here are some video that I got enjoy.
OK I was going to add the links to my Youtube page but windows ME is not supported so we have to do this the hard way. MY youtube channel is 12278a
 
 
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Aug 21st, 2011, 11:34pm
on Aug 21st, 2011, 10:09pm, 12-278a wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I played hooky from work a few days ago and was finaly able to see the railroad in action here are some video that I got enjoy.
OK I was going to add the links to my Youtube page but windows ME is not supported so we have to do this the hard way. MY youtube channel is 12278a

 
Wow!  I didn't know they were running trains with more than 50 loads!
Thanks!
Will
Posted by: Mill_Bay Posted on: Aug 25th, 2011, 12:43pm
Wow, great video! Almost hurt the ears with all those flanges squealing  .  
 
At least they are still wise enough to run with a caboose as well.
 
Here's a question that might spur some discussion: I'm just curious if anyone knows what rating WFP has been rebuilding its bridges for. Are they rated for mainline traffic, or is the mainline only built to industrial railway standards?
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Sep 26th, 2011, 7:50pm
Anyone know if the Englewood is operating right now.   I am heading up to Hardy for work on Friday, and am hoping to catch some trains on the way up.
 
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 28th, 2011, 11:21pm
on Sep 26th, 2011, 7:50pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Anyone know if the Englewood is operating right now.   I am heading up to Hardy for work on Friday, and am hoping to catch some trains on the way up.
 
Any info is greatly appreciated.

I know it is now almost Dec, I understand the WFP is putting close to 80 loads a day in the water. I have tagged onto the last post so I can share some pictures from 1973. This photo was taken at the Woss Reload located at Woss Lake during a Logger Sports Weekend held by Canadian Forest Products, June 1973. During Logger Sports Competition CFP 113 ran to  to the Lake and back.
Here they are running around the train.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 28th, 2011, 11:25pm
on Nov 28th, 2011, 11:21pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I know it is now almost Dec, I understand the WFP is putting close to 80 loads a day in the water. I have tagged onto the last post so I can share some pictures from 1973. This photo was taken at the Woss Reload located at Woss Lake during a Logger Sports Weekend held by Canadian Forest Products, June 1973. During Logger Sports Competition CFP 113 ran to  to the Lake and back.
Here they are running around the train.
 
Here we are at Woss Camp getting ready to make another trip to the Lake.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 28th, 2011, 11:29pm
on Nov 28th, 2011, 11:25pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Here we are at Woss Camp getting ready to make another trip to the Lake.

There was a speeder on the rear of the train to push the train into the clear so 113 could run around it.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 28th, 2011, 11:33pm
on Nov 28th, 2011, 11:29pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

There was a speeder on the rear of the train to push the train into the clear so 113 could run around it.

In March of 1979 we ventured further north here we are at Beaver Cove, CFP 113 looks pretty good as compared to the last time I visited her.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:07am
on Nov 28th, 2011, 11:33pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

In March of 1979 we ventured further north here we are at Beaver Cove, CFP 113 looks pretty good as compared to the last time I visited her.

Gold Creek Bridge at mile 36.2 with a south bound empty heading for the reloads south of Woss Camp.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:11am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:07am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Gold Creek Bridge at mile 36.2 with a south bound empty heading for the reloads south of Woss Camp.
 
CFP caboose 402 at Woss Camp, I believe this is old Northen Pacific caboose.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:27am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:07am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Gold Creek Bridge at mile 36.2 with a south bound empty heading for the reloads south of Woss Camp.

 
Wow! I love the angle on this one!
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:38am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:11am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
CFP caboose 402 at Woss Camp, I believe this is old Northen Pacific caboose.

I know one person at least that will enjoy this picture. We are at the south end of Woss Camp here we have a Speeder with a crane attachment coming down the Upper Cutoff. The Upper Cuttoff left the main line at mile 38.2, it has been removed for many years.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:50am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:38am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I know one person at least that will enjoy this picture. We are at the south end of Woss Camp here we have a Speeder with a crane attachment coming down the Upper Cutoff. The Upper Cuttoff left the main line at mile 38.2, it has been removed for many years.

All the reloads in the Nimpkish are all quite modern. This photo from March 1979 shows how they looked then. This is Kromen Reload it was located at the end of the line near where the Hoomack Rest Area is to-day, or the turn off to Mt Cain.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 2:06am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:50am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

All the reloads in the Nimpkish are all quite modern. This photo from March 1979 shows how they looked then. This is Kromen Reload it was located at the end of the line near where the Homack Rest Area is to-day, or the turn off to Mt Cain.

CFP 4804 before it used the 304 crosses Steele Creek with a string of empties heading south.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 2:09am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 2:06am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 4804 before it used the 304 crosses Steele Creek with a string of empties heading south.

A train leaving Beaver Cove heading south with a string of empties.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 2:12am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 2:09am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A train leaving Beaver Cove heading south with a string of empties.

CFP 4804 (304) heading south.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 2:13am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 2:12am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 4804 (304) heading south.

Speeder 124 heading south thru a rock cut, Highway 19 is to the left a little below the railway..
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 3:04am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 2:13am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Speeder 124 heading south thru a rock cut, Highway 19 is to the left a little below the railway..

CFP 303 heading for Beaver Cove with the loads. We are mile 1.8 Elk River Trestle, this trestle was by- passed shortly after this photo was taken.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 3:07am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 3:04am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 303 heading for Beaver Cove with the loads. We are mile 1.8 Elk River Trestle, this trestle was by- passed shortly after this photo was taken.
A photo of the Crane that was at Woss for years, it has been replaced with a newer one, this one was cut up for scrap at Woss.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 3:10am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 3:07am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A photo of the Crane that was at Woss for years, it has been replaced with a newer one, this was cut up for scrap at Woss.

I am not sure what caboose this one is, I think at one time two were close to being the same. It is different than the  one I posted earlier, the window frames are a different color plus one has bars on the window the other does not.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 3:14am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 3:10am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I am not sure what caboose this one is, I think at one time two that were close to being the same.

CFP 301 heading south to pick some more loads just south of mile 18 near Nimpkish.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 29th, 2011, 12:14pm
on Nov 29th, 2011, 12:27am, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow! I love the angle on this one!
 
Good Morning Chris, glad you like it, things sure have changed up there. The last time I was up in the Woss area you had a hard time seeing the bridge because of the tree growth. I understand Highways have been working on the banks of the river recently so they may have removed some of the trees..
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 2:31am
on Nov 29th, 2011, 2:06am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 4804 before it used the 304 crosses Steele Creek with a string of empties heading south.

 A few photo's for this evening. CFP 302 at Camp A Reload, this is unusual, 302 works out of Woss Camp on the south end of the line and switches out the loads at Siding 4 which is south of Camp A.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 2:34am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:31am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 A few photo's for this evening. CFP 302 at Camp A Reload, this is unusual, 302 works out of Woss Camp on the south end of the line and switches out the loads at Siding 4 which is south of Camp A.

 
Another photo of 302, heading south with empties, not sure of the Mileage maybe Sidewinder can help me out.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 2:36am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:34am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Another photo of 302, heading south with empties, not sure of the Mileage maybe Sidewinder can help me out.

Speeder 124 at Nimpkish shop.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 2:41am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:36am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Speeder 124 at Nimpkish shop.

Another photo of 302 heading south. A photo from July 1983.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 3:10am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:41am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Another photo of 302 heading south. A photo from July 1983.

Out working on the line. Photo from Jan 1985. Taken from Highway 19.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 3:13am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 3:10am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Out working on the line. Photo from Jan 1985. Taken from Highway 19.
Crossing the Tsulton River heading for Beaver Cove with the loads a photo from Aug 1984.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 3:17am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 3:13am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Crossing the Tsulton River heading for Beaver Cove with the loads a photo from Aug 1984.

Empties returning to the woods a photo Jan 1985 at the Tsulton River Trestle.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 3:21am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 3:17am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Empties returning to the woods a photo Jan 1985 at the Tsulton River Trestle.

Aug 1984 we are at the East Fork Trestle Mile 2.8 with a train of empties going south. All the trestle's on WFP line are built from steel replacing the beautifull wood trestle pictured here.
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 8:56am
Great pictures!  
 
Two questions:
 
#1:  You sure those are from January? Seems to be a lot of leaves on the bushes and small trees... buttercups on the ground...  
 
and more importantly...
 
#2:  What is it about the Englewood Railway that has allowed it to remain a viable train based logging operation and not be overtaken by trucks? Is it the terrain?  Is it the simple fact that it is there?  Some other factor?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 11:59am
on Nov 30th, 2011, 8:56am, chrisale wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great pictures!  
 
Two questions:
 
#1:  You sure those are from January? Seems to be a lot of leaves on the bushes and small trees... buttercups on the ground...  
 
and more importantly...
 
#2:  What is it about the Englewood Railway that has allowed it to remain a viable train based logging operation and not be overtaken by trucks? Is it the terrain?  Is it the simple fact that it is there?  Some other factor?

Yes, I wondered about the date too, it is what is on the slide, I would usual get them processed right after a trip. The ones that have day right on them that is the date. Sorry I was not better at filing back in those years. I wish I had done a better job. Some of the location even are difficult to remember now. Sidewinder may be able to help us, we were together on a lot of the trips to the Nimpkish Valley. He did a lot better job of keeping track of dates etc.
There are probably quite a few reasons for the railway still be there, I guess it comes down to it is still the cheapest way to do it.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 2:24pm
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:34am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Another photo of 302, heading south with empties, not sure of the Mileage maybe Sidewinder can help me out.

Leaving Camp A kept coming to mind because of the hills in the background.  The road crossing didn't seem right, though.  So, I went on a hunt to find proof.
Didn't a crew member toss something to you one day?  Hopefully, that guy is not shaking his fist at you!
 
Empties leaving Camp A, June 20, 1983
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 6:01pm
on Nov 30th, 2011, 2:24pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Leaving Camp A kept coming to mind because of the hills in the background.  The road crossing didn't seem right, though.  So, I went on a hunt to find proof.
Didn't a crew member toss something to you one day?  Hopefully, that guy is not shaking his fist at you!
 
Empties leaving Camp A, June 20, 1983
Yes you are right we are just around the corner from the spur to the reload,  there used to be a road into the pit that's there. He thru a ball out to the kids as I remember.  
Anyhow the only person that used to get into trouble was you. ha ha Thanks for the help.
Posted by: Lfire83 Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 7:12pm
I have been on this forum for years and never seen this thread... all I can say is WOW. I never would have believed a railroad like this could still not only just exist but thrive in this modern age. Excellent photos and descriptions, now I can justify modelling a logging railroad with modern equipment.    
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Nov 30th, 2011, 11:29pm
on Nov 30th, 2011, 11:59am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Yes, I wondered about the date too, it is what is on the slide, I would usual get them processed right after a trip.  Sidewinder may be able to help us, we were together on a lot of the trips to the Nimpkish Valley. He did a lot better job of keeping track of dates etc.

 
The same train is in the photo in Reply #312 on page 16.  That makes the date Oct 10, 1984.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 2:17am
on Dec 4th, 2011, 2:13am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Thanks Sidewinder, I wish now that I had been more on the ball and had dated mine, plus had put the location on them also. Here we are at Maquilla Creek Bridge at mile 50 with CFP 302 heading south to pick up more loads.

Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 2:36am
on Dec 4th, 2011, 2:17am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)


A day in Aug 84, we are between East Fork and the Tsulton River. After waiting at the Tsulton River Trestle we started to walk back to the East Fork Trestle and our truck. CFP 301 drifting downgrade surprised us at this curve between  
mile 3 & 4.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 2:44am
on Dec 4th, 2011, 2:36am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A day in Aug 84, we are between East Fork and the Tsulton River. After waiting at the Tsulton River Trestle we started to walk back to the East Fork Trestle and our truck. CFP 301 drifting downgrade surprised us at this curve between  
mile 3 & 4.

Here we are at the East Fork of the Tsulton River Mile 2.8 on another day of Aug 1984, CFP 301 with a load of logs heading for Beaver Cove. There does not look like there is any need of the water car on this rainy day.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 2:48am
on Dec 4th, 2011, 2:44am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Here we are at the East Fork of the Tsulton River Mile 2.8 on another day of Aug 1984, CFP 301 with a load of logs heading for Beaver Cove. There does not look like there is any need of the water car on this rainy day.
 
Here we are at the Anne Creek Overpass Mile 24.6 with a North Bound train heading for Camp A Reload.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 1:05pm
on Dec 4th, 2011, 2:48am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Here we are at the Anne Creek Overpass Mile 24.6 with a North Bound train heading for Camp A Reload.

MOW equipment at Maquilla reload, all thou I cannot see the equipment on the backhoe, I believe CFP used a Backhoe for changing out tie's.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 1:08pm
on Dec 4th, 2011, 1:05pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

MOW equipment at Maquilla reload, all thou I cannot see the equipment on the backhoe, I believe CFP used a Backhoe for changing out tie's.

Woss Reload  
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 1:13pm
on Dec 4th, 2011, 1:08pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Woss Reload  

CFP 303 at Nimpkish shop, this engine is the only engine that has not been rebuilt with a Cat engine. It is still painted yellow and is not used, plus looks a lot worse now than it did in this photo from March of 1984.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 4th, 2011, 1:16pm
on Dec 4th, 2011, 1:13pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 303 at Nimpkish shop, this engine is the only engine that has not been rebuilt with a Cat engine. It is still painted yellow and is not used, plus looks a worse now than it did in this photo from March of 1984.
 
CFP 4804 (304) at Camp A Reload a photo from Mar 1984.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:03am
Here's a few snaps from a couple weeks ago in Beaver Cove.    
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:06am
2nd pic
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:07am
3rd pic
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:16am
Here's a load of logs hitting the water and waiting to be loaded on a self-dumping barge that was out in the cove:
 
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:18am
Here's the self-loading barge, and it's tug, picking up bundles of logs that came in on railway.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 1:19am
Here's and overview of  Beaver Cove, with the railway coming in at the top.  Lots of Activity, and a tonne of logs coming in.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 11:46am
on Dec 5th, 2011, 1:19am, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here's and overview of  Beaver Cove, with the railway coming in at the top.  Lots of Activity, and a tonne of logs coming in.

Nice to see someone else post some pictures. The Vancouver Island site of Railfan.net has kind of slowed down since there has not been much moving on the E&N. A photo showing CFP 303 & 301 with a load a logs heading for Beaver Cove. This spot is between mile 7.5 and 8.5, the photo was taken from Highway 19. I have had fun posting these pictures, it has helped me remember some of the things I had forgotten about the Canfor Railway. When we starting making trips to the Nimpkish Valley, log trains were pulled by a single locomotive. As you can see by this picture they have gone to MUing the units. The other thing that came to mind was how the units were numbered differently. CFP 303 just had the number below the cab window, 302 had the the number below the cab window with the Canfor sign below it. CFP 301 was opposite, the sign being above the number, then 304 had the number 4804 on the cab for many years along with the stripe lower on the locomotive. I believe this photo was taken Oct 1984.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 11:54am
on Dec 5th, 2011, 11:46am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Nice to see someone else post some pictures. The Vancouver Island site of Railfan.net has kind of slowed down since there has not been much moving on the E&N. A photo showing CFP 303 & 301 with a load a logs heading for Beaver Cove. This spot is between mile 7.5 and 8.5, the photo was taken from Highway 19. I have had fun posting these pictures, it has helped me remember some of the things I had forgotten about the Canfor Railway. When we starting making trips to the Nimpkish Valley, log trains were pulled by a single locomotive. As you can see by this picture they have gone to MUing the units. The other thing that came to mind was how the units were numbered differently. CFP 303 just had the number below the cab window, 302 had the the number below the cab window with the Canfor sign below it. CFP 301 was opposite, the sign being above the number, then 304 had the number 4804 on the cab for many years along with the stripe lower on the locomotive. I believe this photo was taken Oct 1984.

Sorry this photo was to be with the last quote. Thanks for posting some up to date photo's from the Nimpkish Valley Cody. I wonder where the logs are being shipped to on the log barge?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 5th, 2011, 12:10pm
on Dec 5th, 2011, 11:54am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Sorry this photo was to be with the last quote. Thanks for posting some up to date photo's from the Nimpkish Valley Cody. I wonder where the logs are being shipped to on the log barge?

The shop switcher at Nimpkish shop. March 30, 1983
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 1:06am
on Dec 5th, 2011, 12:10pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

The shop switcher at Nimpkish shop. March 30, 1983

Snowplows parked on a siding in Woss March 29, 1983.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 1:17am
on Dec 6th, 2011, 1:06am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Snowplows parked on a siding in Woss March 29, 1983.

Another view.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 11:42am
on Dec 6th, 2011, 1:17am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Another view.

A loaded log train on Storey Creek Trestle mile 16.7. CFP 301 leading the way.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 11:54am
on Dec 6th, 2011, 11:42am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A loaded log train on Storey Creek Trestle mile 16.7. CFP 301 leading the way.

CFP 304 (4804) crossing over Maquilla Creek on it's way south with empties.
Posted by: ACR204 Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 1:13pm
Frank. When is the best time to catch WFP running? Great pics! Love to chase them for a day or 2!
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 6th, 2011, 8:06pm
Weekdays in the winter are pretty much a guarantee.   They don't run in the summer depending on fire hazard.   I have visted the railway 5 times between September and December and have never missed out on seeing a train.   A good map of the area helps immensely. There are a few good ones posted online.    A decent vehicle, with some ground clearance, and hiking boots are also a good idea.
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Dec 11th, 2011, 6:12am
Would mid-June be considered "summer" for the purposes of seeing something move on the Englewood?
 
My to-be wife and I are coming to Vancouver Island for our honeymoon in 2012 and I wanted to make the journey out to that side of the island to see them in action...
 
Thanks!
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Dec 11th, 2011, 9:50pm
I think it is entirely weather dependant, but I would guess it would still be wet enough in June for them to be cutting trees.   They shut down when the fire hazard becomes too great.    
 
Keep in mind your travel times if you are coming for a visit.   It is a solid 5-6 hours of steady driving, depending on your speed, between Victoria (I am assuming you might be starting there) and the north Island, so you gotta plan a few days, or at a minimum 2, to really check it out.   A lot of people, myself included before I moved here, have a misconception about how big Vancouver Island is.   The trip to that area is 575 miles (930Km) round trip from Victoria to the trains and back, so hopefully your new spouse likes road trips.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jan 1st, 2012, 11:49pm
on Dec 11th, 2011, 9:50pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I think it is entirely weather dependant, but I would guess it would still be wet enough in June for them to be cutting trees.   They shut down when the fire hazard becomes too great.    
 
Keep in mind your travel times if you are coming for a visit.   It is a solid 5-6 hours of steady driving, depending on your speed, between Victoria (I am assuming you might be starting there) and the north Island, so you gotta plan a few days, or at a minimum 2, to really check it out.   A lot of people, myself included before I moved here, have a misconception about how big Vancouver Island is.   The trip to that area is 575 miles (930Km) round trip from Victoria to the trains and back, so hopefully your new spouse likes road trips.

I was told to-day by a WFP employee that WFP will be going back to work Jan 3, 2012. Trains will be hauling logs starting on Jan 4.
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Mar 10th, 2012, 6:08pm
on Dec 11th, 2011, 9:50pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I think it is entirely weather dependant, but I would guess it would still be wet enough in June for them to be cutting trees.   They shut down when the fire hazard becomes too great.    
 
Keep in mind your travel times if you are coming for a visit.   It is a solid 5-6 hours of steady driving, depending on your speed, between Victoria (I am assuming you might be starting there) and the north Island, so you gotta plan a few days, or at a minimum 2, to really check it out.   A lot of people, myself included before I moved here, have a misconception about how big Vancouver Island is.   The trip to that area is 575 miles (930Km) round trip from Victoria to the trains and back, so hopefully your new spouse likes road trips.

 
Thanks Cody...  Our trip got pushed back to mid September due to work.  We're staying a couple nights in Port Hardy at the Ecoscape Cabins there.  It's a little further than I wanted to go for lodging, but it made her happy, so I'll deal with it.  She likes road trips, for the most part, and I see BC-19 follows the tracks from Woss for a ways, so I'm excited.
 
What's the protocol for driving around on the back roads out there?  Are you allowed on them, and/or allowed to cross the dual-use bridges?  I don't want to come up there and act like a moron (even though I am)!
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Mar 10th, 2012, 6:38pm
on Mar 10th, 2012, 6:08pm, csxt6573 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks Cody...  Our trip got pushed back to mid September due to work.  We're staying a couple nights in Port Hardy at the Ecoscape Cabins there.  It's a little further than I wanted to go for lodging, but it made her happy, so I'll deal with it.  She likes road trips, for the most part, and I see BC-19 follows the tracks from Woss for a ways, so I'm excited.
 
What's the protocol for driving around on the back roads out there?  Are you allowed on them, and/or allowed to cross the dual-use bridges?  I don't want to come up there and act like a moron (even though I am)!

 
All of the logging roads up there are public/crown land.  So the public is allowed as long as there are no closed gates or other obvious logging activity that the public should not be around.
 
It might be worth putting in a call to WFP to ask them where you should or shouldn't be.  I don't know how open they are but they might at least give you pointers, or they might just say GO AWAY... at which point I'd ignore them and just use due care and caution.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Mar 10th, 2012, 8:30pm
on Mar 10th, 2012, 6:08pm, csxt6573 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks Cody...  Our trip got pushed back to mid September due to work.  We're staying a couple nights in Port Hardy at the Ecoscape Cabins there.  It's a little further than I wanted to go for lodging, but it made her happy, so I'll deal with it.  She likes road trips, for the most part, and I see BC-19 follows the tracks from Woss for a ways, so I'm excited.
 
What's the protocol for driving around on the back roads out there?  Are you allowed on them, and/or allowed to cross the dual-use bridges?  I don't want to come up there and act like a moron (even though I am)!

Hee hee....  You must be from the USA... "BC-19"...  We locals just write HWY19 or "Highway 19"; or short "19".   Also, Canadian Rails are known as "Railways" not "Railroads".  Not a big deal; we know how to translate.
Hard to see the rails from the highway as the foliage is very thick and tall.  You will cross under the cement rail-bridges along the way from Sayward to Nimkish Lake.    
Check out Telegraph Cove for the end of the railway for the log-sort operation.  Cute little hamlet/fishing village that you can also take boat tours from as well.
Something to note....  Sunny days are rare....  We affectionately call the West Coast the "Wet Coast" for a reason.  
Also, check out Port Alberni if you get the chance.  There's a weekend train-ride (steam or diesel) to the historic "Mclean Mill".
Also, check out the Forest Discovery Centre at Duncan.  
Posted by: Garrett_Owner Posted on: Mar 11th, 2012, 12:11am
sxt6573
One thing you should know, if there are logging trucks on the road, they rule. You are in the wrong if you get into an accident. Drive at all times with your lights on and watch for pull outs and remember where the last one was because some of the trucks up there take up the full width of the road, so you may be forced to back up to the lat pullout. The offroad trucks are not always working up there but my neighbour drives in that neck of the woods and that's what he drives when he's at work.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 11th, 2012, 4:49pm
on Mar 11th, 2012, 12:11am, Garrett_Owner wrote:       (Click here for original message)
sxt6573
One thing you should know, if there are logging trucks on the road, they rule. You are in the wrong if you get into an accident. Drive at all times with your lights on and watch for pull outs and remember where the last one was because some of the trucks up there take up the full width of the road, so you may be forced to back up to the lat pullout. The offroad trucks are not always working up there but my neighbour drives in that neck of the woods and that's what he drives when he's at work.
 
There is a logging road that follows the tracks and uses the the joint use rail/road bridges. You can check in at the dispatchers office they are usually quite helpful There are Backroad map books available for Vancouver Island that are also quite good. There is more logging taking place daily, I understand now that the timber near Siding 4 has been logged so you can see it from the Highway again. Camp A reload is also quite accessible from the highway.
Along with being careful traveling the logging roads they like you to have hi-vis vests and hard hats when you are trackside. As far as the weather goes you can have some very nice days in the Nimpkish Valley Area.
A scanner is also very helpful locating where the trains are. As someone has already said Beaver Cove/ Telegraph Cove is a must to see.
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Mar 12th, 2012, 12:09am
Camp A is very busy place right now. All the road side trees have been felled. Lots of logging trucks in and out of Camp A at a very steady pace. There is at least 4 new temporary crossing put in along Camp A mainline. If you havnt been up that way for a while  the landscape has totally changed. Siding four is very visible roadside. There are also parts of the mainline you can follow roadside south of siding three now. They have also logged alot off there as well. This does make it a little easier for rail fans to get a good look at parts of the operation. There has also been alot of logging trackside Vernon reload way. Hot loading has been quite steady for the past few months. Hot loading will be taking place right at mile 13 In the near future as well. A bit of a hike in northward  from Noomas bridge.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Mar 12th, 2012, 4:00am
on Mar 12th, 2012, 12:09am, Brakeman302 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Camp A is very busy place right now. All the road side trees have been felled. Lots of logging trucks in and out of Camp A at a very steady pace. There is at least 4 new temporary crossing put in along Camp A mainline. If you havnt been up that way for a while  the landscape has totally changed. Siding four is very visible roadside. There are also parts of the mainline you can follow roadside south of siding three now. They have also logged alot off there as well. This does make it a little easier for rail fans to get a good look at parts of the operation. There has also been alot of logging trackside Vernon reload way. Hot loading has been quite steady for the past few months. Hot loading will be taking place right at mile 13 In the near future as well. A bit of a hike in northward  from Noomas bridge.

Please explain what "Hot loading" is and how its done?
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Mar 12th, 2012, 9:38am
"Hot loading" is when they load the logs right onto the log cars from the setting thus eliminating the logging truck completely. They have been doing this more as the settings are track side. No need to build a logging road. All the equipment was either brought in by flat car or walked in trackside.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 12th, 2012, 4:59pm
on Mar 12th, 2012, 9:38am, Brakeman302 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"Hot loading" is when they load the logs right onto the log cars from the setting thus eliminating the logging truck completely. They have been doing this more as the settings are track side. No need to build a logging road. All the equipment was either brought in by flat car or walked in trackside.

Thanks for the information Brakeman 302. I just wondered if you have heard any "Good News" on the E&N lately? I thought the Bridge report would have been released by now.
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Mar 12th, 2012, 11:58pm
Sorry, I don't have any news on the E&N that everyone already knows. I have to log on here to find anything out!  
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Mar 14th, 2012, 7:40pm
on Mar 10th, 2012, 8:30pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Hee hee....  You must be from the USA... "BC-19"...  We locals just write HWY19 or "Highway 19"; or short "19".   Also, Canadian Rails are known as "Railways" not "Railroads".  Not a big deal; we know how to translate.

 
It's funny.  I don't do that down here...  Born and raised in Maryland (22 years) then moved to Oregon in late 2005.
 
Thanks everybody for the replies.
 
I was wondering, the last post regarding physical operations of the line is from June 2010 (unless I missed something, entirely possible).  The MU set was going to Camp A and Siding 6 and the single was doing Siding 6 south.  Is this still accurate?  Is there a window of time where the trains will generally depart Beaver Cove and Woss (or wherever on the south end)?  How fast do they travel (you can use kmh, I can convert )  
 
I see someone mentioned a hard hat and hi-vis vest.  Since I work for a railroad down here in the states, that stuff is easy, plus steel toed boots, to come by.  Do they prefer you to sign a waiver or anything?  Is 303 still yellow, and outside at....Woss?
 
Thanks for all of your help thus far.  I got the backroads map (downloaded it to save $$) and I'll print the pages I need.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Mar 14th, 2012, 8:22pm
on Mar 14th, 2012, 7:40pm, csxt6573 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
It's funny.  I don't do that down here...  Born and raised in Maryland (22 years) then moved to Oregon in late 2005.
 
Thanks everybody for the replies.
 
I was wondering, the last post regarding physical operations of the line is from June 2010 (unless I missed something, entirely possible).  The MU set was going to Camp A and Siding 6 and the single was doing Siding 6 south.  Is this still accurate?  Is there a window of time where the trains will generally depart Beaver Cove and Woss (or wherever on the south end)?  How fast do they travel (you can use kmh, I can convert )  
 
I see someone mentioned a hard hat and hi-vis vest.  Since I work for a railroad down here in the states, that stuff is easy, plus steel toed boots, to come by.  Do they prefer you to sign a waiver or anything?  Is 303 still yellow, and outside at....Woss?
 
Thanks for all of your help thus far.  I got the backroads map (downloaded it to save $$) and I'll print the pages I need.

We have never signed a waiver, it seems to work well for us to stop by have a chat with the dispatcher find out what is planned for the day and to let them know what we are up too. They are usually quite helpful.  
The last time I saw 303 it was at he end of the track at Nimpkish and is still yellow. I don't think it has been used for a while now.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Jun 14th, 2012, 12:36am
This morning I saw parked on a siding approx. 14 kms (by Hwy 19) North of the Woss turnoff a string of 20 ish loaded cars with large diameter logs.   Couldn't stop for a photo; but the great thing is that the trees along this stretch have been thinned so it'll be easy for someone to get pictures right from the highway.
 
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jun 17th, 2012, 4:39am
I am replying to your post at little late. In 2012, there are over 400 regular and new cars and 33 boomstick cars. Three water cars for spark suppression and fire fighting.Three Bull cars ( heavey flat cars for moving equiptment ) 7 flat cars for moving rails and ties. 7 gravel cars that are old CN stock and are still running with babbet bearings. The type that gave the old hands problems with hot journal boxxes. Two side dumps that were used last year. 2 old gravel cars that are the last of the cars used for the ore from the Nimpkish iron mine.
  The term "New cars" might need explaining. They are 1950's vintage and were abtained in 1992, the first went into service 1993. The were only available on this coast because thier scrappng was delayed by 10 years by the Mt. St Helens eruption, and the salvage operation that ensued. In the 1990's the Chinaes were on a national refurbishing drive and all the wheel pairs had been boughten up. Canfor , looking for wheels, ran into this deal and got 125 of them. They are the heavier looking cars. The ones with the shorter, pointed stakes are for boomsticks. These types of stakes were on all the cars untill a program, finished in 1974, replaced them with the higher stakes. The stakes were later extended, but I can not remember the date. The reason was to prevent the higher loads needing binders. Alas the trucks got higher stakes first. . . Laugh if you want, but communication and co-operation doesn't always happen. ( I am trying to be polite ).  
   Hope this answers some questions.
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jun 17th, 2012, 4:51am
on Apr 3rd, 2006, 12:14am, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Heading back to Camp A with the logs from siding 4 across the Alice Creek (?) overpass.   It was getting dark, and I had to hit the road, so I left the chase at this point.
 
The train is running cab-first with a bad-order log car from siding 4 on the point.   The car was covered in 'caution tape' and flagged "DO NOT LOAD".

 
Nice work...it is "Ann Creek" Overpass though.  
Glad to help.
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jun 17th, 2012, 5:03am
on Dec 11th, 2011, 6:12am, csxt6573 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Would mid-June be considered "summer" for the purposes of seeing something move on the Englewood?
 
My to-be wife and I are coming to Vancouver Island for our honeymoon in 2012 and I wanted to make the journey out to that side of the island to see them in action...
 
Thanks!

 
Be sure to stop at the Rail Traffic Control office in Woss. Randy will be sure to steer you in the right direction. Let you know where and when you can catch the action near the tracks. he has quite the collection of vintage photos in his office. You will want to stop there to check out the 113 anyways.
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jun 17th, 2012, 5:04am
on Jun 14th, 2012, 12:36am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This morning I saw parked on a siding approx. 14 kms (by Hwy 19) North of the Woss turnoff a string of 20 ish loaded cars with large diameter logs.   Couldn't stop for a photo; but the great thing is that the trees along this stretch have been thinned so it'll be easy for someone to get pictures right from the highway.
 

 
That would be Siding 4. It is pretty much the halfway point of the opereation.
Posted by: jgarcia Posted on: Jun 28th, 2012, 12:10pm
Hello all,
 
I'd like to photograph the Englewood operations in early August. Do they still shut down in the summer, or will they be operating? It's a long way to go to find out they're not running!
 
Thanks,
J. Garcia
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jul 12th, 2012, 5:13am
on Dec 21st, 2005, 3:14am, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ballast cars at Camp A.   They must of been barged to Beaver Cove from their glory days on CN.

Just a quick note. They were brought by truck. They are the only friction bearing cars on the line. The rest are roller bearing. The 1000 and 1100 series cars are formerly from Klamath Falls. 125 of them came by barge. Two trips. starting in 1992. These were the last rail stock to arrive by barge. The former CN ballast cars arrived in 1995 or 1996. Sorry, memory just doesn't serve.
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jul 12th, 2012, 5:24am
on Oct 17th, 2010, 11:58am, ENRFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
How long of a drive from goldriver? half hour 45 minutes?? I'll be working in gold river all next week it would be cool to get some shots of a real train!

If you drive an hour from Gold River you will be on Hwy 19 again. At the Mt. Cain trun off. Using this alternat route Gold River is two hours from Port McNeill. So to get to Vernon..less then half an hour. If you are making stops..then that is not calculated in driving. Of course I ussually only drive this when operations are shut down. Logging equiptment is large and slower then your average pick up.
Posted by: chrisale Posted on: Jul 12th, 2012, 1:16pm
Just wondering... is the railway working right now?
Posted by: Brakeman302 Posted on: Jul 12th, 2012, 2:43pm
Yes they are working still. I imagine a long bout if hot weather and they will be down.
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Jul 15th, 2012, 9:01am
Latest. The dayshift will be starting one hour earlier on Monday due to the low humidity readings in the woods. That means fire hazards. We used water cars Friday.
If we recieve recovery over night , this situation can go on and on. Or we could be shut down. It is day to day now due to the weather. Welome to logging.
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2012, 8:17pm
Hi gang,
 
It's a little less than a month to my trip up to the Englewood.  Any updates on operations?  Still an AM and PM Beaver Cove job and one AM Woss job?
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Sep 8th, 2012, 10:19pm
on Aug 23rd, 2012, 8:17pm, csxt6573 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi gang,
 
It's a little less than a month to my trip up to the Englewood.  Any updates on operations?  Still an AM and PM Beaver Cove job and one AM Woss job?

 
The railway is back in operation after a brief summer shutdown.  No rain could still be a problem.  September shutdowns have occurred in the past.
 
The 304 suffered a major engine failure a number of weeks ago.  The prime mover is out of the engine and the crank shaft has been sent to the US for repair. You will not get to see MU'd operation.  Two shifts are operating at the north end with the day shift working between Beaver Cove and Camp A and the evening shift between the Cove and Siding 4.
 
The south end delivers loaded cars to Siding 4.  Not sure how many shifts.
Posted by: joncalon Posted on: Sep 9th, 2012, 2:39pm
Those who are interested in the Englewood railway would do well to pick up a copy of this months TRAINS magazine.
 
Leo de Groot wrote an extensive article about the railway and is accompanied by many photos of the operation.  Well worth reading!
 
Jon
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Sep 12th, 2012, 7:56am
PM Beaver Cove left at 1645 yesterday (9/11) with 30 cars. There was a healthy amount at Siding 4 and what seemed like 50-100 loads at Camp A. I had a large hole in my pants from making some adjustments to my truck that Inwas too embarrassed to stop in at Woss - I'm heading there now. If anyone else is out, I'm in a black 2004 Tudra with Oregon plates. My plates pay homage to the SD60 son you'll know it when you see it.  Thanks for all the help guys!
Posted by: cbk Posted on: Sep 13th, 2012, 12:55am
So what's happening on the south end of the railroad? One or two Woss jobs? Thanks for the updates. It's a great railroad that I'd love to visit again.
 
An Englewood Fan in California
Posted by: NightShiftLogger Posted on: Sep 13th, 2012, 12:58pm
on Jun 14th, 2012, 12:36am, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This morning I saw parked on a siding approx. 14 kms (by Hwy 19) North of the Woss turnoff a string of 20 ish loaded cars with large diameter logs.   Couldn't stop for a photo; but the great thing is that the trees along this stretch have been thinned so it'll be easy for someone to get pictures right from the highway.
 

  Better then thinned. When they logged this section they hot loaded right onto the rail cars. As there is a siding there, cars were left on the main track and the siding use for traffic. WFP has done this quite a bit.
Posted by: csxt6573 Posted on: Sep 13th, 2012, 7:25pm
on Sep 13th, 2012, 12:55am, cbk wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So what's happening on the south end of the railroad? One or two Woss jobs? Thanks for the updates. It's a great railroad that I'd love to visit again.
 
An Englewood Fan in California

 
One Woss job at 0630. On Tuesday they worked the Woss reload twice. Wednesday they did Woss and Vernon. Maquilla had a ton of empties bit their wheels were a tad rusty so I figure they had been there a little while.  For what it's worth, the Woss crew generally (and subject to change) for light power to Siding 6, gathers empties for Woss, goes to the Woss Reload, brings loads back to Siding 6, then gathers empties for whatever else they're going to work, heads there, swaps, then return to Siding 6. They pick up the loads from earlier and head for Siding 4. There they drop the loads and pick up whatever empties the PM Beaver Cove crew brought and take them back to Siding 6 and return light power to Woss.
 
With 304 being down, there has been some serious consideration into reactivating the 303, depending on how much $$$ it would take. The Beaver Cove jobs are limited to the amount of cars they can handle each trip being down one unit. Siding 3 was pretty full and Camp A seemed to have plenty of loads sitting around.
Posted by: SRY 110 Posted on: Oct 30th, 2012, 1:22pm
WFP sister railway lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSSYBgmNW0&feature=g-all-lik
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 1:43am
on Oct 30th, 2012, 1:22pm, SRY 110 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
WFP sister railway lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSSYBgmNW0&feature=g-all-lik

 
Canadian Forest Products 301 looking pretty spiffy in the Woss Yard a slide dated Apr 1987. It is quite unusual to see 301 at Woss, it was usually 302.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 1:44am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 1:43am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Canadian Forest Products 301 looking pretty spiffy in the Woss Yard a slide dated Apr 1987. It is quite unusual to see 301 at Woss, it was usually 302.

Another view.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 1:51am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 1:44am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Another view.

A view of 301 with the crane in the background.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 2:20am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 1:51am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A view of 301 with the crane in the background.

Cab 403 at siding 4 if I remember right. The stake on the last car I found interesting, I believe it is stake number 400 built by ITM, used to up grade the carrying capacity of the log cars.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 2:22am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 2:20am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Cab 403 at siding 4 if I remember right. The stake on the last car I found interesting, I believe it is stake number 400 built by ITM, used to up grade the carrying capacity of the log cars.

Some of the older ballast cars loaded in the Woss Yard.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 2:28am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 2:22am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Some of the older ballast cars loaded in the Woss Yard.

MOW crews working on or crossing the Noomass Bridge.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 16th, 2012, 2:31am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 2:28am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

MOW crews working on or crossing the Noomass Creek Bridge.

Speeder with trailer also crossing Noomas creek.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:26am
on Nov 16th, 2012, 2:31am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Speeder with trailer also crossing Noomas creek.

CFP 301 has just exchanged loads with the 304 and 303 and is about to tie on to the empties at Siding Four. CFP 304 and 303 will head north with the loads as soon as 301 pulls in to clear to head south.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2012, 2:28am
on Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:26am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 301 has just exchanged loads with the 304 and 303 and is about to tie on to the empties at Siding Four. CFP 304 and 303 will head north with the loads as soon as 301 pulls in to clear to head south.
CFP 301 has backed on to the empties and is ready to head south at Siding four.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2012, 2:29am
on Nov 22nd, 2012, 2:28am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CFP 301 has backed on to the empties and is ready to head south at Siding four.
Heading south.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Nov 22nd, 2012, 2:34am
on Nov 22nd, 2012, 2:29am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Heading south.
CFP 4804 (304) and 303 are now heading north crossing Steele Creek on there way to Camp a then on to Beaver Cove.
Posted by: woodbutcher Posted on: Jan 8th, 2013, 12:00am
thankyou,TFC trains for your photos and knowledge. I am in the planning stage of modeling the Englewood logging claim,  I was in Englewood in 1956 when the first SW1200,s were delivered, Beaver Cove was still under construction and the logs were loaded at camp L to be brought to the beach. I was only 10 years old at the time but returned to work in all the camps in the 1960's. Used to hang around with George Lutz's son when I worked in Woss.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Aug 29th, 2013, 1:58am
Here is a clip from footage shot in July of 2002 during a scouting trip of the line for a possible documentary. I spent several hours in a high-rail with an employee touring the line and operation. I have more footage that hopefully will end up on DVD soon along with my Port Turn video!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaQys8LJ-W4&feature=youtu.be
 
Cheers
 
J\
Posted by: Gyralite Posted on: Aug 29th, 2013, 1:19pm
I wonder if the train crews call the caboose "the penalty box"
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2014, 5:21pm
Here is a news video on #113 going into its new home. Look at the video section in green on the page.
 
http://www.northislandgazette.com/
Posted by: preservedsteambc Posted on: Nov 4th, 2014, 4:03am
on Nov 3rd, 2014, 5:21pm, vanislrailway wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is a news video on #113 going into its new home. Look at the video section in green on the page.
 
http://www.northislandgazette.com/

 
What a waste of a good locomotive. And they still don't want to build a roof over it. Too far gone he said? They let it go that way, and should be ashamed of it. The IHS could get it going. Meanwhile the IHS got the #112:
http://www.avtimes.net/news/local/10-000-donation-will-be-used-to-move-historic-locomotive-to-the-alberni-valley-1.1492517
 
Had it been my way, the #112 would've gotten a cosmetic restoration to be put on display in Woss and the #113 to Port Alberni to be restored to operational condition.
 
Just to clarify, the B.C. Railway Historical Association owns/owned the #112?
 
On a side note...
Finally had a chance to look in the latest Trackside Guide and according to it, Doug in Kelowna does have the CL&R #16. Gonna have to swing by his place next time I'm visiting my sister. Would be nice if the IHS could acquire that one.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Nov 4th, 2014, 11:33am
Great set of photos, Frank . . . thanks for posting.
P.S. Those crews sure took pride in their equipment -- they almost sparkle.  
Posted by: jgarcia Posted on: May 27th, 2015, 4:18pm
What's happening out at Woss these days? I'm planning a photography trip up there next week. Does anyone know which loadouts are operating at the moment?
 
j garcia
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Apr 20th, 2017, 11:06pm
Two dead, three injured when runaway railcars hit a track work crew near Woss today - http://www.news1130.com/2017/04/20/lumber-train-derails-northern-vancouver-island-injuring-two-people/
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Apr 20th, 2017, 11:50pm
More info here - http://www.vicnews.com/news/updated-two-people-dead-after-train-derailment-in-woss/
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2017, 1:50am
https://www.google.ca/search?q=woss+rail+derailment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Be76WIa9ONO2jwPStLPABA
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Jun 13th, 2017, 9:47am
Has the Englewood (CANFOR) railway resumed operations after the fatal crash?
 
Will MacKenzie
Flamborough, ON
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jul 7th, 2017, 3:51pm
on Jun 13th, 2017, 9:47am, thehighwayman wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Has the Englewood (CANFOR) railway resumed operations after the fatal crash?
 
Will MacKenzie
Flamborough, ON

Nothing moving yet, waiting for a Transportation Safety Board Report. They are moving everything by truck. They talked about the railway returning to work June 19, that day came and went. ?