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Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 1:40am
sorry about the quality of this pic, but it was the second to last run, so it is historically important
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 1:46am
going to Bordens with the last car:
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 2:19am
Cool photos, can't wait to see more.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:06am
GMD 1 in CN yard, Victoria, BC, November 1989:
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:08am
Hey, the 1070. Replaced 1003 in 1988 when it was sent back east to be rebuilt.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:12am
Jason King caught GMD1 1003 down at Pt. Ellice a few years earlier.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:20am
on Feb 24th, 2004, 3:06am, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
GMD 1 in CN yard, Victoria, BC, November 1989:

 
Wow, right before service ended. Heh, I was only 5 years old when that picture was taken...
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:25am
on Feb 24th, 2004, 3:20am, ENRailway wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow, right before service ended. Heh, I was only 5 years old when that picture was taken...

 
I was 14! I'm so mad I didnt take more pictures of the GMD1s when they were here I always assumed they would be around....
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 6:29am
cool pics!...okay...right behind the hopper in the first photo is where the four elevator used to be up untill the early 80s and  would occasionally have a hopper on the spur.i guess it was part of the building that is still in the back ground there.i cant wait untill i finally find my old flicks.i remember around that time.i was 18 years old.i had taken a couple pics of a gmd-1 at point ellice too.hope i find them.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 2:41pm
Great photos!
 
My introduction to CN on the island came in the form of Robert Turner's Vancouver Island Railroads. I lived next to the old Colwood siding for about 11 years. I do remember some time in 1988, when my grampa was visiting from Vancouver, he took me down to the Pt. Ellice yard in the early morning to watch them switch the barge.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:25pm
on Feb 24th, 2004, 2:41pm, ENRailway wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great photos!
 
My introduction to CN on the island came in the form of Robert Turner's Vancouver Island Railroads. I lived next to the old Colwood siding for about 11 years. I do remember some time in 1988, when my grampa was visiting from Vancouver, he took me down to the Pt. Ellice yard in the early morning to watch them switch the barge.

 
Thanks! I was lucky enough about 11 or 12 years ago to get in touch with Robert Turner and he invited me to his house to look at some of his train pictures. I have never seen anything like it, he told me to sit at the dining room table while he went and brought box after box of photographs and slides! There were thousands of pictures from all over. My favorite box was one of the CN Vancouver Island operations, hundreds of them! Thats how I found out about the flour mill because he had pics of a GMD1 switching there. I wish I had a photographic memory as it was too much for me to take in! Robert Turner was very nice and he went over my photo album and gave me advice which was really cool.  
 
 
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:38pm
The following photos come from George Elwood's Fallen flags website http://www.rr-fallenflags.org . Shot by Mr. Gordon Hulford. CN 80 tonner 74 does some switching in the Pt. Ellice yard in the late 1950's.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:42pm
Another shot of the GE Centre-cab switching the Pt. Ellice yard. 74 was one of only a few GE locomotives to see service on Vancouver Island. Shot by Gordon Hulford, from www.rr-fallenflags.org
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:44pm
CN G12 991 in the Deerholme yard in the late 1960's or early 1970's. Gordon Hulford photo. From www.rr-fallenflags.org
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:47pm
CN SW8 7156 on the shop track at Pt. Ellice.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 17th, 2004, 9:56pm
on Mar 17th, 2004, 9:13pm, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Hey, that was the first GMD-1 I ever got to look around in and drive.  I was briefly living in Calgary during the summer of '86 and a friend of mine worked at CN's Sarcee Yards as an engine watchman.  We used to hang out there all the time and help him clean and service the units that came down from Edmonton each evening.  Anyways, that unit was in Calgary that summer when it still had the A-1-A trucks.  If memory serves me correct, it stuck around in Calgary for another year before leaving.  I just can't remember if it had it's trucks changed out to B's or not at this time or at a later date.  

 
I believe the 1070 had its trucks changed in 1990, then they changed the number to 1170. It was retired in 1999 and then sold to a lease company, not sure where it is now. GMD 1s were always my favorite locos, I wish I had more pics of them in Victoria.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 18th, 2004, 12:05am
in the first pic I was standing inside the Y and the line did branch off to the right. It was actually the main line that headed up to Youbou (now the Gallopping Goose paved pathway).
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:19pm
CN Rail yard, Victoria.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:20pm
CN Rail GMD-1 #1002.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:22pm
And of course, the barge slip w/ a couple of COFC idlers parked on the approach.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 3:04am
on Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:35pm, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
What year was this pic taken in?

 
Sometime between 1980 and 1984. Hmm, so the 1002 DID work the Victoria operation. I guess CN rotated power between Deerholme and Victoria.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 4:21am
great pics again KVR_fan
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 10:19pm
second to last run:
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 10:20pm
another:
Posted by: torch Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 1:51am
cool!...would you believe that these are the ONLY pctures ive ever seen of runs on the cowichan\pat bay sub on the south island...ive only seen various yard photos....i wish there was a photo of johnston terminals around.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 6:41am
Whoa, looks like someone swiped a numberboard off the 1070. Those tracks were in such a horrendous condition. In the video that was shown at the club meeting the 1070 did a lot of bobbing up and down and rocking from side to side.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 6:42pm
Ogden Point was separate from the rest of the CN network on Vancouver Island. The tracks were put in to serve the grain elevators. They went all over the dockyard.  Often, instead of barging the train over to Ogden Point, a phone call to the right person at BCER and they could take a short cut down BCER tracks. When the GE yard switchers showed up in 1958 two were kept at Pt. Ellice, with one being used out at Ogden Point, and the third loco was up at Cowichan Bay. CN sold the Ogden Point operation in 1987, and it shut down not long after.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Apr 14th, 2004, 9:47pm
Can anyone tell me how this lift bridge was operated?  Where the controls were?  When I took this, there were tires and all sort of junk jammed up in the hinge mechanism.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: May 19th, 2004, 1:25am
It was an "strong-arm"mechanism that raised and lowered the bridge. The Bridge operator would clean the crap out and crank the bridge down by hand. In 1996, when the CRD was restoring the bridge for the Galloping Goose, a worker was injured trying to turn the crank to lower the bridge, the bridge went so far, and then "crashed" down into the position it's in now, just about ripping the guy's arm off.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:33pm
CN 1030 with a southbound train on the Koksilah River Bridge. Bob Turner photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:35pm
CN 44-tonners working the Pt. Ellice yard and E&N Interchange.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:54pm
CN 1000 hauls a northbound freight at Leechtown. Dave Wilkie photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:56pm
CN 1000 hauls some empties south along Sooke Lake. Dave Wilkie photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 18th, 2004, 5:32am
on Aug 18th, 2004, 4:40am, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice pics of the GE 70 tonner's.  What year were those photos taken?

 
Early to mid 1960's.  
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 12:42am
An e-mail correspondence garnished a couple of E&N and CNR pics from a gentleman in Arizona.  These were taken by his late father.
 
Photos of the late Arthur A Noyes of Hamilton, ON/Phoenix, AZ.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 12:43am
Photo by the late Arthur A Noyes of Hamilton, ON/Phoenix, AZ.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 1:50am
Cool shot of the train on the bridge. I take it the loco was old reliable, SW8 7156.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 11:26am
Those are some great shots.  Oozing with history.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 3:08pm
Crossing Quadra St 1982
Posted by: torch Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 4:54pm
that great!....first photo ive ever seen taken around quadra.....i ve been lucky enough to witness it first hand though........i used to occasionally see a cn boxcar left on the main right around where the grain car is in that photo...i assume it wouldve been loads for the carpet dealer.---got any more cn flicks?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 8:51pm
Sorry, thats the only CN pic I have (as far as I know).  That spot was my first train watching spot (grew up in Gordon Head), spent lotsa time there in summers and when school was out, before discovering the E&N.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 2:05am
throo the 80s i always remember that as morning runs....did you ever see later runs than that or see them set boxcars out on the main like i mentioned in the other post?..one time around 1986 i saw a caboose on the borden spur on the same track as the hoppers.im assuming it may have been an old caboose that was purchased privately from somebody and just handled on the cn and taken to the borden spur for a more convienient transload....anybody ever see that?the caboose didnt have markings that were visible anyway and it was a pea soup green as far as my memory serves and a steel,end cupola design.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 3:13am
Late morning sticks in my mind also.  Got to ride along several times.  Your assumptions about the caboose would be right, I never saw one around Pt. Ellice and they never used the one they had at Deerholme.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 11:09pm
i always felt that that was a rather dangerous railway crossing...being on that angle,no flashers(i think the brakeman would flag the train across the street)...it was a near invisible crossing...that was part of its charm...it just ended up looking like an unlikely place for a train to appear...mustve been even more tricky leaving borden's and having to traverse the street in reverse with a couple hoppers leading the engine.......the town and country crossing of the transcanada hi way wasnt a whole lot better either....the signals never seemed to work untill the pilot of the engine was about to enter the hi-way.........come to think of it,ALL the road crossings on the cowichan sub\pat bay sub seemed sketchy..anybody have any stories to tell?maybe i should start a new thread for this.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 11:46pm
Yeah, there were close calls there.  I can't remember if they had to flag the crossing.  Nothing in the TT about that.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2004, 8:39pm
one of those photos in the third row down,shows the crew switching the bakery near the pat bay junction.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:37am
on Oct 31st, 2004, 3:08pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Crossing Quadra St 1982

 
 
Hmmm, I didn't realize that the SW1200RS's were used on the island.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:40am
on Nov 1st, 2004, 2:05am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
anybody ever see that?the caboose didnt have markings that were visible anyway and it was a pea soup green as far as my memory serves and a steel,end cupola design.

 
Could it be the BCRail caboose that's out at the Saanich Historical Artifacts Society??
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:02am
on Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:37am, ENR3870 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Hmmm, I didn't realize that the SW1200RS's were used on the island.

 
Came over a couple of times when 7156 went to Thornton for inspection/repair
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 3:51am
Great pics! Looks like CN was pretty busy still in 1977
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:13am
it may very well be that same caboose thats out there tyler....do you know when the caboose was placed there?
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 2:14pm
on Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:13am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
it may very well be that same caboose thats out there tyler....do you know when the caboose was placed there?

 
 
I'm not sure when they got the caboose.
Posted by: caboose9 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 4:45pm
ENR3870 said, "I'm not sure when they got the caboose."
 
 
Hi,
 
The caboose at Saanichton, BC, is wood PGE/BCOL 1822 rebuilt from a CP boxcar.
 
Roger
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Nov 12th, 2004, 1:39am
That picture of the CN crossing Quadra, wow, I thought I would never see some documentation for that place-  
Back in the mid 70's I clearly remember my dad going into that office building in the background, and while I waited in the VW van here goes a little CN train rumbling by
away from Borden's, back to downtown I presume.  One of those situations as a kid where you know there is railway stuff but you don't think to explore it further because it will always be there, right?...I wish I was a kid with an adult mind.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2004, 8:40pm
I was able to meet Elwood White today, the photos and memorabilia that man has is unbelieveable. The photos that he showed me were amazing. Mostly steam. I didn't realize how much of a grade there was climbing up through View Royal to Colwood, the photos he showed me of the steamers working their guts out getting up the hill. He let me have this photo, as it was a double, a CN train on the Selkirk Bridge, with a load of logs.  
 
He was also telling me that in the late 50's CN ran two trains a day out of Victoria heading up island, two Youbou Turns from Tyup, plus the switcher out to Borden Mercantile and work trains, the Cowichan Sub was a rather busy rail line. Hard to believe that by the mid 1960's there was hardly any rail traffic between Victoria and Deerholme.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2004, 2:19pm
on Nov 26th, 2004, 5:44am, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Very nice picture!  Is there any chance of seeing more of them from his collection?  Has he had stuff published previously?  I do not recognize his name.

 
 
Yes, he has a few photos in Robert Turner's "Vancouver Island Railroads" and "Ghosts of the Grade" by Ian Baird and Peter Smith.  
 
    He also showed me the video, "End of an era". The program Shaw Cable did after CN shut the Cowichan and Tidewater Subs down, interviewing a retired CN engineer. I had forgot that they couldn't load the cars full, due to the poor track condition. The engineer was saying that if they did fully load the cars, they would get rocking so much that they'd end up down the bank, in the Cowichan River.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 2:13am
I just got this from Ross tonight and thought I would pass it along.  It was scanned from a slide and I think it's pretty cool looking.  That yard really was big, eh?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 8:51pm
on Apr 7th, 2005, 2:13am, KVR Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I just got this from Ross tonight and thought I would pass it along.  It was scanned from a slide and I think it's pretty cool looking.  That yard really was big, eh?

 
 
It's hard to believe this whole scene is long gone! Definetly a cool pic and thanks for reviving the CN thread!
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 9:25pm
Interestingly to note, that 3 years after this picture was taken, CN abandoned the track from the Pat Bay junction to Colwood. Trains would no longer go between Cowichan and Victoria. I believe the reason was the bridges were in not great shape.
Amazingly Victoria had a lot of train traffic for just a small city.
 
 
Aaron
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 9:40pm
Does Ross have a slide of the same area, but looking toward the engine house?
 
Aaron
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 10:29pm
on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:25pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Interestingly to note, that 3 years after this picture was taken, CN abandoned the track from the Pat Bay junction to Colwood.  
Aaron

 
I don't think they abandoned the line between the Wye and Colwood, they just removed the bridges from service. The rails were there until at least 1983.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 2:39am
Abandonment did not come until the late 70's.  I was looking at a timetable from 1978 that showed the entire Cowichan Sub, even though there was a footnote stating that movements between Mile 1.9 and Mile 7.9(?) had to be authorized by the Sup't.  Basically, it had the same status at the Port Sub does today, there but not used.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 9:00am
it was the colquitz creek bridge near tillicum.it was being rebuilt but i guess cn felt it wasnt worth the cost of finishing...i recall seeing this bridge throughout the 70s only half done...missing the centre steel girderspan and whatnot.that photo by ross looks like it may have been a couple years later than stated because i dont think cn started using the "wet noodle" logo until 1965..i may be wrong tho.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 9th, 2005, 4:24am
Hey,  
Wasnt there a steam train excursion on the CN back in the 60's? I know that the museum train came in the 70's on the E&N.
If the roundhouse is fixed up to be a working train museum, there should be models of both the CN and E&N yards. Wasnt the CN yard bigger than the E&N yard. It seems that way, judging by the picture. The diagrams I have seem to show that.
 
Aaron
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2005, 5:55pm
on Apr 9th, 2005, 4:24am, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey,  
Wasnt there a steam train excursion on the CN back in the 60's? I know that the museum train came in the 70's on the E&N.
If the roundhouse is fixed up to be a working train museum, there should be models of both the CN and E&N yards. Wasnt the CN yard bigger than the E&N yard. It seems that way, judging by the picture. The diagrams I have seem to show that.
 
Aaron

 
It depends, I think the E&N yard at that time was bigger, but if you compare it to the E&N yard now, CN's was definately bigger.  
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 11th, 2005, 10:20pm
i would think that the cnr yard had more trackage and storage tracks than the e&n yard in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 5:43pm
Here's a couple more pics from Ross Pugsley.  He doesn't have too many pictures left to share but he will send them when he finds them.
 
Date unknown but was taken in the early 1960's near the coal company located on the NW corner of the CNR freight yard, Victoria.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 5:48pm
CNR Victoria.  March 25, 1961.  Ross Pugsley photo.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 6:00pm
wheres the location of the last photo?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 10:13pm
Dug this picture up the other day and  had to post it.  I'm guessing I was about 5 years old here, so that puts the year about 1980. It was the military train and for some reason  it was in the CN yard in Victoria, I think thats the upper yard   because of the asphalt. The train also had a steam engine that I think could have been the Royal Hudson.  Theres a pic of me in the cab, but I cant find it. Anybody else remember this? My memory is really fuzzy on this and I probably would have forgotten about it if I didnt have this picture!
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 11:44pm
1980 - not the Royal Hudson, it would have been the Museum Train, which was powered by (ex - Mac Blo) 1077 on Vancouver Island and 3716 for its tour of the rest of the province.  The CN yard was probably used for this (rather than the E&N) because of better public access.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 12:09am
i went to visit the museum train in cn's upper yard in 1970 but there was no military stuff.  i even have a pendant keepsake from it saying "musem train 1979"
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 12:17am
I'll trust Torch's physical evidence over my memory as to the year.  It is possible the army equipment was loaded just after the museum train closed (or before it opened)  These moves were an annual event during the "early 80's" sometimes via CNR and sometimes via E&N, they would go the day they were loaded.  I can remember CN working a Saturday just to load the army train on the barge.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 7:06am
thats cool.   i figure that back then it was more feasible to load an unload the army stuff in cn's yard. that upper portion of the yard seemed to have much more space than the e&n yard.(well,at least when the upper yard wasnt cluttered with boxcars,as i often saw it!)
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jun 9th, 2005, 1:01am
The coal company at the CNR yard was Kingham-Gillespie, if you look at the Central Vermont car in the pic you will see KG in chalk marked on it...back when the Victoria turns had many cars i used to walk over when they were swithcing Top shelf to look at the chalk markings on the cars to see where they were going to in Victoria.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Jul 16th, 2005, 2:05am
If only I had stepped back a bit more...  
 
October 4, 1985.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Jul 21st, 2005, 7:18pm
One thing neat about the A1A trucks on the GMD1 is that the center idler wheel is a smaller diameter than the two powered wheels.   You can notice this with the difference in height of the bearing caps.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 1:34am
Victoria, 1970.  Photographer unknown.
Posted by: CNcndr_Tyler Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2005, 1:02pm
Nice pic. I didn't realize the G12's were used out of Victoria as well. BTW the hogger on one of the transfers(Lynn Creek to Thornton) I was on last week worked a few times as a brakeman on the Cowichan and Tidewater Subs. He said it was a pretty nice job if you could get it.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2005, 3:16pm
on Dec 3rd, 2005, 1:02pm,