Railfan.net Home Railfan Photos ABPR Archives Staff Safari Photos Railfan Links

Railfan.net Forums Railfan.net Forums Railfan.net Forums
Welcome, Guest. Please Sign In or Register. Mar 26th, 2017, 7:06pm
Categories •  FastIndex •  LongIndex •  Help •  Search •  Members  •  Sign In •  Register


Post reply
   Railfan.net Web Forums
   Regional Area Operations
   Vancouver Island
   Post reply ( Re: CN pics )
A Username and Password are REQUIRED to Post.

If you are seeing this, you are either not logged in or your browser is not honoring the username and password cookie.
 
Username:
Password:
Post reply
Subject:
Message icon:
Add YABBC tags:
Message:

Photo Attachments require Netscape 4 or greater or IE5 or greater
Disable Smilies:

Check this if you'll be adding code (or don't like smileys).

shortcuts (IE and NS6 only): hit alt+s to send, alt+p to preview, or alt+r to reset


Topic Summary
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 1:40am
sorry about the quality of this pic, but it was the second to last run, so it is historically important
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 1:46am
going to Bordens with the last car:
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 2:19am
Cool photos, can't wait to see more.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:06am
GMD 1 in CN yard, Victoria, BC, November 1989:
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:08am
Hey, the 1070. Replaced 1003 in 1988 when it was sent back east to be rebuilt.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:12am
Jason King caught GMD1 1003 down at Pt. Ellice a few years earlier.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:20am
on Feb 24th, 2004, 3:06am, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
GMD 1 in CN yard, Victoria, BC, November 1989:

 
Wow, right before service ended. Heh, I was only 5 years old when that picture was taken...
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:25am
on Feb 24th, 2004, 3:20am, ENRailway wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow, right before service ended. Heh, I was only 5 years old when that picture was taken...

 
I was 14! I'm so mad I didnt take more pictures of the GMD1s when they were here I always assumed they would be around....
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 6:29am
cool pics!...okay...right behind the hopper in the first photo is where the four elevator used to be up untill the early 80s and  would occasionally have a hopper on the spur.i guess it was part of the building that is still in the back ground there.i cant wait untill i finally find my old flicks.i remember around that time.i was 18 years old.i had taken a couple pics of a gmd-1 at point ellice too.hope i find them.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 2:41pm
Great photos!
 
My introduction to CN on the island came in the form of Robert Turner's Vancouver Island Railroads. I lived next to the old Colwood siding for about 11 years. I do remember some time in 1988, when my grampa was visiting from Vancouver, he took me down to the Pt. Ellice yard in the early morning to watch them switch the barge.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Feb 24th, 2004, 3:25pm
on Feb 24th, 2004, 2:41pm, ENRailway wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great photos!
 
My introduction to CN on the island came in the form of Robert Turner's Vancouver Island Railroads. I lived next to the old Colwood siding for about 11 years. I do remember some time in 1988, when my grampa was visiting from Vancouver, he took me down to the Pt. Ellice yard in the early morning to watch them switch the barge.

 
Thanks! I was lucky enough about 11 or 12 years ago to get in touch with Robert Turner and he invited me to his house to look at some of his train pictures. I have never seen anything like it, he told me to sit at the dining room table while he went and brought box after box of photographs and slides! There were thousands of pictures from all over. My favorite box was one of the CN Vancouver Island operations, hundreds of them! Thats how I found out about the flour mill because he had pics of a GMD1 switching there. I wish I had a photographic memory as it was too much for me to take in! Robert Turner was very nice and he went over my photo album and gave me advice which was really cool.  
 
 
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:38pm
The following photos come from George Elwood's Fallen flags website http://www.rr-fallenflags.org . Shot by Mr. Gordon Hulford. CN 80 tonner 74 does some switching in the Pt. Ellice yard in the late 1950's.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:42pm
Another shot of the GE Centre-cab switching the Pt. Ellice yard. 74 was one of only a few GE locomotives to see service on Vancouver Island. Shot by Gordon Hulford, from www.rr-fallenflags.org
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:44pm
CN G12 991 in the Deerholme yard in the late 1960's or early 1970's. Gordon Hulford photo. From www.rr-fallenflags.org
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Feb 27th, 2004, 3:47pm
CN SW8 7156 on the shop track at Pt. Ellice.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 17th, 2004, 9:56pm
on Mar 17th, 2004, 9:13pm, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Hey, that was the first GMD-1 I ever got to look around in and drive.  I was briefly living in Calgary during the summer of '86 and a friend of mine worked at CN's Sarcee Yards as an engine watchman.  We used to hang out there all the time and help him clean and service the units that came down from Edmonton each evening.  Anyways, that unit was in Calgary that summer when it still had the A-1-A trucks.  If memory serves me correct, it stuck around in Calgary for another year before leaving.  I just can't remember if it had it's trucks changed out to B's or not at this time or at a later date.  

 
I believe the 1070 had its trucks changed in 1990, then they changed the number to 1170. It was retired in 1999 and then sold to a lease company, not sure where it is now. GMD 1s were always my favorite locos, I wish I had more pics of them in Victoria.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 18th, 2004, 12:05am
in the first pic I was standing inside the Y and the line did branch off to the right. It was actually the main line that headed up to Youbou (now the Gallopping Goose paved pathway).
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:19pm
CN Rail yard, Victoria.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:20pm
CN Rail GMD-1 #1002.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:22pm
And of course, the barge slip w/ a couple of COFC idlers parked on the approach.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 3:04am
on Mar 23rd, 2004, 9:35pm, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
What year was this pic taken in?

 
Sometime between 1980 and 1984. Hmm, so the 1002 DID work the Victoria operation. I guess CN rotated power between Deerholme and Victoria.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 4:21am
great pics again KVR_fan
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 10:19pm
second to last run:
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Mar 24th, 2004, 10:20pm
another:
Posted by: torch Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 1:51am
cool!...would you believe that these are the ONLY pctures ive ever seen of runs on the cowichan\pat bay sub on the south island...ive only seen various yard photos....i wish there was a photo of johnston terminals around.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 6:41am
Whoa, looks like someone swiped a numberboard off the 1070. Those tracks were in such a horrendous condition. In the video that was shown at the club meeting the 1070 did a lot of bobbing up and down and rocking from side to side.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: Mar 25th, 2004, 6:42pm
Ogden Point was separate from the rest of the CN network on Vancouver Island. The tracks were put in to serve the grain elevators. They went all over the dockyard.  Often, instead of barging the train over to Ogden Point, a phone call to the right person at BCER and they could take a short cut down BCER tracks. When the GE yard switchers showed up in 1958 two were kept at Pt. Ellice, with one being used out at Ogden Point, and the third loco was up at Cowichan Bay. CN sold the Ogden Point operation in 1987, and it shut down not long after.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Apr 14th, 2004, 9:47pm
Can anyone tell me how this lift bridge was operated?  Where the controls were?  When I took this, there were tires and all sort of junk jammed up in the hinge mechanism.
Posted by: ENRailway Posted on: May 19th, 2004, 1:25am
It was an "strong-arm"mechanism that raised and lowered the bridge. The Bridge operator would clean the crap out and crank the bridge down by hand. In 1996, when the CRD was restoring the bridge for the Galloping Goose, a worker was injured trying to turn the crank to lower the bridge, the bridge went so far, and then "crashed" down into the position it's in now, just about ripping the guy's arm off.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:33pm
CN 1030 with a southbound train on the Koksilah River Bridge. Bob Turner photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:35pm
CN 44-tonners working the Pt. Ellice yard and E&N Interchange.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:54pm
CN 1000 hauls a northbound freight at Leechtown. Dave Wilkie photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2004, 2:56pm
CN 1000 hauls some empties south along Sooke Lake. Dave Wilkie photo.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Aug 18th, 2004, 5:32am
on Aug 18th, 2004, 4:40am, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice pics of the GE 70 tonner's.  What year were those photos taken?

 
Early to mid 1960's.  
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 12:42am
An e-mail correspondence garnished a couple of E&N and CNR pics from a gentleman in Arizona.  These were taken by his late father.
 
Photos of the late Arthur A Noyes of Hamilton, ON/Phoenix, AZ.
Posted by: KVR_Fan Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 12:43am
Photo by the late Arthur A Noyes of Hamilton, ON/Phoenix, AZ.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 1:50am
Cool shot of the train on the bridge. I take it the loco was old reliable, SW8 7156.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Oct 28th, 2004, 11:26am
Those are some great shots.  Oozing with history.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 3:08pm
Crossing Quadra St 1982
Posted by: torch Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 4:54pm
that great!....first photo ive ever seen taken around quadra.....i ve been lucky enough to witness it first hand though........i used to occasionally see a cn boxcar left on the main right around where the grain car is in that photo...i assume it wouldve been loads for the carpet dealer.---got any more cn flicks?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Oct 31st, 2004, 8:51pm
Sorry, thats the only CN pic I have (as far as I know).  That spot was my first train watching spot (grew up in Gordon Head), spent lotsa time there in summers and when school was out, before discovering the E&N.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 2:05am
throo the 80s i always remember that as morning runs....did you ever see later runs than that or see them set boxcars out on the main like i mentioned in the other post?..one time around 1986 i saw a caboose on the borden spur on the same track as the hoppers.im assuming it may have been an old caboose that was purchased privately from somebody and just handled on the cn and taken to the borden spur for a more convienient transload....anybody ever see that?the caboose didnt have markings that were visible anyway and it was a pea soup green as far as my memory serves and a steel,end cupola design.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 3:13am
Late morning sticks in my mind also.  Got to ride along several times.  Your assumptions about the caboose would be right, I never saw one around Pt. Ellice and they never used the one they had at Deerholme.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 11:09pm
i always felt that that was a rather dangerous railway crossing...being on that angle,no flashers(i think the brakeman would flag the train across the street)...it was a near invisible crossing...that was part of its charm...it just ended up looking like an unlikely place for a train to appear...mustve been even more tricky leaving borden's and having to traverse the street in reverse with a couple hoppers leading the engine.......the town and country crossing of the transcanada hi way wasnt a whole lot better either....the signals never seemed to work untill the pilot of the engine was about to enter the hi-way.........come to think of it,ALL the road crossings on the cowichan sub\pat bay sub seemed sketchy..anybody have any stories to tell?maybe i should start a new thread for this.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 1st, 2004, 11:46pm
Yeah, there were close calls there.  I can't remember if they had to flag the crossing.  Nothing in the TT about that.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2004, 8:39pm
one of those photos in the third row down,shows the crew switching the bakery near the pat bay junction.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:37am
on Oct 31st, 2004, 3:08pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Crossing Quadra St 1982

 
 
Hmmm, I didn't realize that the SW1200RS's were used on the island.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:40am
on Nov 1st, 2004, 2:05am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
anybody ever see that?the caboose didnt have markings that were visible anyway and it was a pea soup green as far as my memory serves and a steel,end cupola design.

 
Could it be the BCRail caboose that's out at the Saanich Historical Artifacts Society??
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:02am
on Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:37am, ENR3870 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Hmmm, I didn't realize that the SW1200RS's were used on the island.

 
Came over a couple of times when 7156 went to Thornton for inspection/repair
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 3:51am
Great pics! Looks like CN was pretty busy still in 1977
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:13am
it may very well be that same caboose thats out there tyler....do you know when the caboose was placed there?
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 2:14pm
on Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:13am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
it may very well be that same caboose thats out there tyler....do you know when the caboose was placed there?

 
 
I'm not sure when they got the caboose.
Posted by: caboose9 Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 4:45pm
ENR3870 said, "I'm not sure when they got the caboose."
 
 
Hi,
 
The caboose at Saanichton, BC, is wood PGE/BCOL 1822 rebuilt from a CP boxcar.
 
Roger
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Nov 12th, 2004, 1:39am
That picture of the CN crossing Quadra, wow, I thought I would never see some documentation for that place-  
Back in the mid 70's I clearly remember my dad going into that office building in the background, and while I waited in the VW van here goes a little CN train rumbling by
away from Borden's, back to downtown I presume.  One of those situations as a kid where you know there is railway stuff but you don't think to explore it further because it will always be there, right?...I wish I was a kid with an adult mind.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2004, 8:40pm
I was able to meet Elwood White today, the photos and memorabilia that man has is unbelieveable. The photos that he showed me were amazing. Mostly steam. I didn't realize how much of a grade there was climbing up through View Royal to Colwood, the photos he showed me of the steamers working their guts out getting up the hill. He let me have this photo, as it was a double, a CN train on the Selkirk Bridge, with a load of logs.  
 
He was also telling me that in the late 50's CN ran two trains a day out of Victoria heading up island, two Youbou Turns from Tyup, plus the switcher out to Borden Mercantile and work trains, the Cowichan Sub was a rather busy rail line. Hard to believe that by the mid 1960's there was hardly any rail traffic between Victoria and Deerholme.
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2004, 2:19pm
on Nov 26th, 2004, 5:44am, KVR_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Very nice picture!  Is there any chance of seeing more of them from his collection?  Has he had stuff published previously?  I do not recognize his name.

 
 
Yes, he has a few photos in Robert Turner's "Vancouver Island Railroads" and "Ghosts of the Grade" by Ian Baird and Peter Smith.  
 
    He also showed me the video, "End of an era". The program Shaw Cable did after CN shut the Cowichan and Tidewater Subs down, interviewing a retired CN engineer. I had forgot that they couldn't load the cars full, due to the poor track condition. The engineer was saying that if they did fully load the cars, they would get rocking so much that they'd end up down the bank, in the Cowichan River.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 2:13am
I just got this from Ross tonight and thought I would pass it along.  It was scanned from a slide and I think it's pretty cool looking.  That yard really was big, eh?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 8:51pm
on Apr 7th, 2005, 2:13am, KVR Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I just got this from Ross tonight and thought I would pass it along.  It was scanned from a slide and I think it's pretty cool looking.  That yard really was big, eh?

 
 
It's hard to believe this whole scene is long gone! Definetly a cool pic and thanks for reviving the CN thread!
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 9:25pm
Interestingly to note, that 3 years after this picture was taken, CN abandoned the track from the Pat Bay junction to Colwood. Trains would no longer go between Cowichan and Victoria. I believe the reason was the bridges were in not great shape.
Amazingly Victoria had a lot of train traffic for just a small city.
 
 
Aaron
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 9:40pm
Does Ross have a slide of the same area, but looking toward the engine house?
 
Aaron
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2005, 10:29pm
on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:25pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Interestingly to note, that 3 years after this picture was taken, CN abandoned the track from the Pat Bay junction to Colwood.  
Aaron

 
I don't think they abandoned the line between the Wye and Colwood, they just removed the bridges from service. The rails were there until at least 1983.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 2:39am
Abandonment did not come until the late 70's.  I was looking at a timetable from 1978 that showed the entire Cowichan Sub, even though there was a footnote stating that movements between Mile 1.9 and Mile 7.9(?) had to be authorized by the Sup't.  Basically, it had the same status at the Port Sub does today, there but not used.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 8th, 2005, 9:00am
it was the colquitz creek bridge near tillicum.it was being rebuilt but i guess cn felt it wasnt worth the cost of finishing...i recall seeing this bridge throughout the 70s only half done...missing the centre steel girderspan and whatnot.that photo by ross looks like it may have been a couple years later than stated because i dont think cn started using the "wet noodle" logo until 1965..i may be wrong tho.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Apr 9th, 2005, 4:24am
Hey,  
Wasnt there a steam train excursion on the CN back in the 60's? I know that the museum train came in the 70's on the E&N.
If the roundhouse is fixed up to be a working train museum, there should be models of both the CN and E&N yards. Wasnt the CN yard bigger than the E&N yard. It seems that way, judging by the picture. The diagrams I have seem to show that.
 
Aaron
Posted by: ENR3870 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2005, 5:55pm
on Apr 9th, 2005, 4:24am, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey,  
Wasnt there a steam train excursion on the CN back in the 60's? I know that the museum train came in the 70's on the E&N.
If the roundhouse is fixed up to be a working train museum, there should be models of both the CN and E&N yards. Wasnt the CN yard bigger than the E&N yard. It seems that way, judging by the picture. The diagrams I have seem to show that.
 
Aaron

 
It depends, I think the E&N yard at that time was bigger, but if you compare it to the E&N yard now, CN's was definately bigger.  
Posted by: torch Posted on: Apr 11th, 2005, 10:20pm
i would think that the cnr yard had more trackage and storage tracks than the e&n yard in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 5:43pm
Here's a couple more pics from Ross Pugsley.  He doesn't have too many pictures left to share but he will send them when he finds them.
 
Date unknown but was taken in the early 1960's near the coal company located on the NW corner of the CNR freight yard, Victoria.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 5:48pm
CNR Victoria.  March 25, 1961.  Ross Pugsley photo.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 7th, 2005, 6:00pm
wheres the location of the last photo?
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 10:13pm
Dug this picture up the other day and  had to post it.  I'm guessing I was about 5 years old here, so that puts the year about 1980. It was the military train and for some reason  it was in the CN yard in Victoria, I think thats the upper yard   because of the asphalt. The train also had a steam engine that I think could have been the Royal Hudson.  Theres a pic of me in the cab, but I cant find it. Anybody else remember this? My memory is really fuzzy on this and I probably would have forgotten about it if I didnt have this picture!
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 11:44pm
1980 - not the Royal Hudson, it would have been the Museum Train, which was powered by (ex - Mac Blo) 1077 on Vancouver Island and 3716 for its tour of the rest of the province.  The CN yard was probably used for this (rather than the E&N) because of better public access.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 12:09am
i went to visit the museum train in cn's upper yard in 1970 but there was no military stuff.  i even have a pendant keepsake from it saying "musem train 1979"
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 12:17am
I'll trust Torch's physical evidence over my memory as to the year.  It is possible the army equipment was loaded just after the museum train closed (or before it opened)  These moves were an annual event during the "early 80's" sometimes via CNR and sometimes via E&N, they would go the day they were loaded.  I can remember CN working a Saturday just to load the army train on the barge.
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 13th, 2005, 7:06am
thats cool.   i figure that back then it was more feasible to load an unload the army stuff in cn's yard. that upper portion of the yard seemed to have much more space than the e&n yard.(well,at least when the upper yard wasnt cluttered with boxcars,as i often saw it!)
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jun 9th, 2005, 1:01am
The coal company at the CNR yard was Kingham-Gillespie, if you look at the Central Vermont car in the pic you will see KG in chalk marked on it...back when the Victoria turns had many cars i used to walk over when they were swithcing Top shelf to look at the chalk markings on the cars to see where they were going to in Victoria.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Jul 16th, 2005, 2:05am
If only I had stepped back a bit more...  
 
October 4, 1985.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Jul 21st, 2005, 7:18pm
One thing neat about the A1A trucks on the GMD1 is that the center idler wheel is a smaller diameter than the two powered wheels.   You can notice this with the difference in height of the bearing caps.
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Nov 26th, 2005, 1:34am
Victoria, 1970.  Photographer unknown.
Posted by: CNcndr_Tyler Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2005, 1:02pm
Nice pic. I didn't realize the G12's were used out of Victoria as well. BTW the hogger on one of the transfers(Lynn Creek to Thornton) I was on last week worked a few times as a brakeman on the Cowichan and Tidewater Subs. He said it was a pretty nice job if you could get it.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2005, 3:16pm
on Dec 3rd, 2005, 1:02pm, CNcndr_Tyler wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice pic. I didn't realize the G12's were used out of Victoria as well. BTW the hogger on one of the transfers(Lynn Creek to Thornton) I was on last week worked a few times as a brakeman on the Cowichan and Tidewater Subs. He said it was a pretty nice job if you could get it.

 
I think is was one of those jobs you either loved or hated, the times I rode along with the Deerholme job, it was usually the same guys working it.  Victoria seemed to have a bit of a rotation week after week, if memory serves me right
Posted by: CN1070 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2005, 1:18am
on Dec 3rd, 2005, 3:16pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I think is was one of those jobs you either loved or hated, the times I rode along with the Deerholme job, it was usually the same guys working it.  Victoria seemed to have a bit of a rotation week after week, if memory serves me right

 
This person said he worked the Deerholme job. From the way he was describing it he was on the spareboard and would be called once in a while to work the Cowichan Sub, it also sounded like he worked out of Deerholme when they still were running south to Colwood.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Feb 12th, 2006, 10:54pm
Mainland railroading with a loose Island connection:
 
On Saturday Feb 11th, 2006 I found CN 1444, a GMD1 riding B-B flexicoil trucks, switching grain hoppers at the wheat pool in North Vancouver coupled to very old GP(9?).    Usually this job is handled by matched sets of end-cab SWs.   These GMD1s are getting closer to the Island all the time.  The unit was running smooth and smoke free.  
Posted by: CN1070 Posted on: Feb 12th, 2006, 11:57pm
on Feb 12th, 2006, 10:54pm, Cody wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mainland railroading with a loose Island connection:
 
Usually this job is handled by matched sets of end-cab SWs.   These GMD1s are getting closer to the Island all the time.  The unit was running smooth and smoke free.  

 
Any of the yard jobs at Lynn Creek will pull or spot the elevators, I've done it a few times. We even used Road power, one yard job I was on we had SD50F 5408 and BNSF SD40-2 8076.
 
Current power at Lynn Creek
 
Set 1: SW1200RS 7309, 7303
Set 2: SW1200RS 7306, 7311
Set 3: GP9 7067, GMD-1 1444
Posted by: KVR Fan Posted on: Feb 14th, 2006, 12:22am
Another classic picture from 1973.  Love that "Front" ...  
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Mar 8th, 2006, 1:22am
Is the date correct for this..?
Posted by: CN4702 Posted on: Mar 8th, 2006, 3:59am
on Mar 8th, 2006, 1:22am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Is the date correct for this..?

 
It's probably correct, CN introduced the wet noodle in 1960.
Posted by: CN4702 Posted on: May 22nd, 2006, 4:01am
on Jul 16th, 2005, 2:05am, KVR Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
If only I had stepped back a bit more...  
 
October 4, 1985.

 
I was doing a little digging, and apparently the 1002 is stored at the Homewood, IL shops. It's sitting on shop trucks iin a dead line.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: May 23rd, 2006, 2:51am
I presume this guy that lives in the Kamloops Yard is related to the GMD-1's from the Island?
Posted by: CN4702 Posted on: May 23rd, 2006, 3:18am
on May 23rd, 2006, 2:51am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I presume this guy that lives in the Kamloops Yard is related to the GMD-1's from the Island?

 
 
Sort off, the 1000 series GMD-1's were rebuilt into the 1400's(1100's and 1600's as well), I don't think the 1420 spent any time over there though.
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2006, 1:19am
I was in Youbou last week and to my surprise i found that there is still some of the CNR track in place!!! the North leg of the wye is still there and looks better than some parts of the E&N! also some of the mainline is in place though overgrown there are lots of lengths of rails parts of switches and joints and fishplates about.
Posted by: Baby_Huey Posted on: Jun 6th, 2006, 5:08pm
I'm amazed how many guys I've met at work that worked the Victoria or Deerholme Jobs, non of the regular guys are still working for CN but guys that worked the jobs when they went spare.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Jul 5th, 2006, 10:40pm
A great link:  
 
http://www.shownontheweb.com/RR/html/cnr_1977_1.html
Posted by: Chris_C Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2006, 1:05pm
is it me or does that look like the end of a passenger car on the right?
Posted by: KootenayValleyRailway Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2006, 1:46pm
ya i can see it too. but who knows where this pic is from
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2006, 10:20pm
its on prince edward island. They had  quite  an  interesting operation over  there  and  were  running the ge switchers  from the  40s right into the 70s. they also had various alco\mlw design locos  and  clc  too. The  was  a passenger   train that  ran  from the  mainland  right throo to the  island.. they would  bring the passenger cars  right aboard the  ship.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 4th, 2006, 6:48pm
oh my! my post  dissapeared!  i  wonder  where it went to? hullo? tyler?
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Sep 5th, 2006, 7:08pm
on Sep 4th, 2006, 6:48pm, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
oh my! my post  dissapeared!  i  wonder  where it went to? hullo? tyler?

 
 
Sorry Moka, I went to delete my post and deleted the wrong one by mistake. Sorry 'bout that.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 5th, 2006, 9:05pm
all good!  i  was  just  bein jokey  anyhow!
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2007, 2:43pm
Another question for you. The two G-12s, 991 and 992, were supplied to the same railway at the same time, so how come they have different trucks and 992 has a curved cab roof while 991 has an angled one?
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2007, 8:22pm
I cant answer that but the two G-8s on CNR Photos also have different cabs.  
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=12678  
Maybe it has something to do with being built two years apart. Both have  flexicoil trucks as far as I can tell though.
http://www.trainweb.org/elso/lps_l4.htm  
I believe this is Tylers' page on the G-12s. http://www.geocities.com/enrailway/g12.html
 
I'll amend this to note there is a second truck type that is illustrated here: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/diesel103.html scroll down to the fourth row, unit on the extreme right.
Posted by: Cody Posted on: Feb 7th, 2007, 12:02am
I don't know if it factors into your questions, but CN's tracks on the island of Newfoundland were narrow guage.  The photo of the one G8 in St. Johns NFLD would have narrow guage trucks.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Feb 7th, 2007, 12:31am
CN did have some standard gauge G8's as well. Though I believe only the 2 G12's, 991 and 992 were used on the island. The G12's were really interesting units, according to the 1974 CN locomotive data sheets, they were unable to MU with anything, as they were not equipped for MU operation.  
 
The difference in look could just be a design change on EMD's part. For example, take the SD70M and SD70M-2. They are essentially the same locomotive, with an extremely different look. I believe 991 was the older of the 2, and had the angled cab roof, while 992 had the curved cab roof.
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:13pm

I was doing a little reading and I don't think 1420, ex 1058 was ever used on the Island but it is currently at Lynn Creek in North Vancouver. It's on one of the yard power sets with SW1200RS 7303. It looks like it has been in a side-swipe accident. One of the windshields on the hogger's side is broken, and there is quite a lot of fresh paint on the same side.  
 
on May 23rd, 2006, 2:51am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I presume this guy that lives in the Kamloops Yard is related to the GMD-1's from the Island?

Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Mar 24th, 2007, 11:24pm
Point Ellice yard with the Centennial Train. From the same gallery as the E&N pictures.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 1:34am
Well now I know what the centennial train looked like. Did this train ever make a run on the CN line from Victoria or did it just use the CN yard because it had better public access than the E&N yard. I would assume that it came down the E&N line from Nanaimo.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 12:08pm
I know that speed in answering is nice but having just joined I have been reading as fast as time permits.  Coastrail about 2 years ago you asked if there was an excursion on the CN line in the 60's.  I think it was the very early 60's but when I find the 8mm of it I maybe able to give you a year.  My dad took some footage of it as it headed southbound over Helmcken Rd.  I will do my best to see what more I can find out for you.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2007, 1:38pm
on Mar 25th, 2007, 12:08pm, Piglet wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I know that speed in answering is nice but having just joined I have been reading as fast as time permits.  Coastrail about 2 years ago you asked if there was an excursion on the CN line in the 60's.  I think it was the very early 60's but when I find the 8mm of it I maybe able to give you a year.  My dad took some footage of it as it headed southbound over Helmcken Rd.  I will do my best to see what more I can find out for you.

 
I have a train order from 1959 (i think - and do not have time to look for it - so date is a guess) for "Psgr Extra 2100 West" at Victoria
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: Apr 7th, 2007, 10:47pm
I haven't had a chance to check that CN pass extra footage I have, but I was thinking that when I was young and taking the bus in from View Royal to go to school I sure remember the area around Pt. Ellis.  
I remember both the 44 tonners, SW's and the GMD-1's.  The thing I remember most about the engines in Victoria in the early 60's was the the crews seemed to not only wash but polish the engines down in the wire pen.
I so remember going down in 1967 to the top of the yard to go through the Centennial train as that is where it was displayed.  I also remember the coal distributor in the corner right next to enterance to the yard who even in the early 60's was very busy.  In the picture in #56 you can see the two tracks and the coal storage area as well.  I remember seeing the 44's running down past the other part of the yard on the interchange track to the E&N.
Posted by: Balto Posted on: Apr 18th, 2007, 11:12pm
Does anyone know of the numbers of current CN locomotives that are still in CN ownership that ran on the Island? And maybe where they are? Thank you.  
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 3:07am
on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:12pm, Balto wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does anyone know of the numbers of current CN locomotives that are still in CN ownership that ran on the Island? And maybe where they are? Thank you.  

 
1410(1003) and 1423(1000) are the only two still operational, 1414(1002) is currently stored dead at Homewood, IL.  
 
Dispositions of the "regulars".
 
GE 44-tonners
#3: Retired  
#4: Retired  
#5: Retired  
 
GE 80-tonner
#74: Retired. Preserved at West Coast Railway Association in Squamish.
 
GM G12's
991: Retired 1976. Used as part sources for the GM G8's used in Newfoundland.
992: Retired 1976. Used as part sources for the GM G8's used in Newfoundland.
 
GM GMD-1's
1000: rebuilt and renumbered 1423. Wanders the system
1001: Retrucked and renumbered 1101, since retired.
1002: rebuilt and renumbered 1414. Stored at Homewood, IL on shop trucks.
1003: rebuilt and renumber 1410. Wanders the system
1030: Retrucked and renumbered 1130, sold to Cuba
1040: Retrucked and renumbered 1140, sold to Cuba
1070: Retrucked and renumbered 1170. Sold to Taylor Group Marine then sold to SRY 1204.
 
GM SW8's
7154: Retired 1989
7155: Retired 1989
7156: Retired 1989
Posted by: Triplex Posted on: Apr 19th, 2007, 10:22am
Quote:
The difference in look could just be a design change on EMD's part. For example, take the SD70M and SD70M-2. They are essentially the same locomotive, with an extremely different look. I believe 991 was the older of the 2, and had the angled cab roof, while 992 had the curved cab roof.
I'm pretty sure that curved-cab G8s are the early phase.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:22pm
Quote:
7156: Retired 1989

 
Speaking of the 7156, here she is at Point Ellice five years before retirement, October 8, 1984.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Apr 20th, 2007, 2:26pm
And the Point Ellice barge slip on the same day.  Mile 0.0 of the Cowichan sub.
Posted by: baldwincp Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 3:13pm
The images of mine of the G12's were used for the original Train Sim model.  I met a person who wanted to do a model for the train sim so I supplied the images.  In return he did a model of the CPR Baldwins from my collection.  This was back in the begining of the Train Sim.  The hardest part of the baldwin was the sound.  I did not notice the difference in the cab roof until he brought it to my attention.
Here is an image of a GMD1 at Deerholm about 1965.
Gordon.
Posted by: baldwincp Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 3:16pm
Here is another image at the shop in Victoria.
Gordon.
Posted by: FSD8014 Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:02pm
Nice pictures, Gordon. Nice to see the GMD-1 in green & gold.
Posted by: tr1467 Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 4:47am
cn deerholme yard mid 80's
Posted by: tr1467 Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 4:50am
Tidewater Sub-- at Cowichan Bay spotting up the barge
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 11:23am
Very cool pics, tr1467! Thanks for posting.
Posted by: Piglet Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 11:53am
I second Mike's comment.  Those are great shots tr, thank you for sharing those with us.
Posted by: baldwincp Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 12:27pm
Good shots, thanks for sharing.
Posted by: North49 Posted on: May 3rd, 2007, 5:47pm
Thanks for sharing  
Posted by: blackdog Posted on: May 17th, 2007, 5:51pm
GMD-1 No 1000 crossing the E&N and island highway at Koksilah in 1981.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: May 17th, 2007, 7:10pm
on May 17th, 2007, 5:51pm, blackdog wrote:       (Click here for original message)
GMD-1 No 1000 crossing the E&N and island highway at Koksilah in 1981.

sure looks like it needs washing/paint
Posted by: CroftonSpur88 Posted on: May 17th, 2007, 7:11pm
Now that's a sweet shot...
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: May 17th, 2007, 8:47pm
Awesome! Thanks, and keep them coming!
Posted by: CrashNational Posted on: May 17th, 2007, 9:50pm
on May 17th, 2007, 7:10pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

sure looks like it needs washing/paint

 
 
Hmm, so CN not washing their power isn't a new thing. LOL.
Posted by: timberland#7 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 4:29am
It looks like the E&N weed problem wasnt much better back in 1981.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: May 18th, 2007, 8:32am
There was a bit of a story to this picture. I had stopped at the old Koksilah flagstop when I heard a horn sounding. I positioned myself for a northbound freight on the E&N but nothing appeared. Then the GMD-1 suddenly emerged onto the restle. I managed this shot and one other, going-away shot as it crossed the highway.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:31pm
A few shots taken around the Victoria yard on June 28, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:32pm
2
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:33pm
3
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:33pm
4
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:35pm
5
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:36pm
6
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:36pm
7
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 5:37pm
8
Posted by: North49 Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 6:05pm
Wow an old wood boxcar...dont see those anywhere except mueseums nowadays! is that thing even on the rails?
Posted by: boxcar Posted on: Nov 13th, 2007, 10:33pm
i remember seeing it when i was a kid, tied down next to the power.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 14th, 2007, 9:36pm
A few photos taken around the Victoria yard on July 7, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 14th, 2007, 9:37pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 14th, 2007, 9:38pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 14th, 2007, 9:39pm
4.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 17th, 2007, 12:25am
jan 10th?  1990. CN is done on the island.
Posted by: Pyronova Posted on: Nov 17th, 2007, 5:39pm
on Nov 17th, 2007, 12:25am, torch wrote:       (Click here for original message)
jan 10th?  1990. CN is done on the island.

Someone rob the numberboard?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 18th, 2007, 12:28am
That's exactly what happened.  I've seen pictures (on here somewhere) of the 2nd to last run & the numberboard is blatantly missing.  I guess someone wen t souvenir hunting.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 18th, 2007, 9:34pm
well its  nice to know that 1070 lives on   and  works for SRY now as number 1204.  Currently I believe its  switching pacific elevators  here in vancouver on temp...with a new five k5la five chime horn to boot! I remember in the late 80s while working on the island it  recieved a k3h horn. theres nothing like the old  nathan m3h  horns tho!
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 6:17pm
3 pics taken on July 18, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 6:18pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 6:19pm
3. Passing Alpha St. spur switch.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 20th, 2007, 8:16pm
great catch Dave... unusual move too,i see.  They are pulling the  car  back instead of the  usual pushing. Was this boxcar sitting on the main in front of  the  carpet place(ex-brewery) across from borden?  in the mid 80s I used to see a boxcar sitting on the mainline there from time to time probably being unloaded. Im thinking it would be for the carpet place.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 21st, 2007, 6:32pm
Yes, I'm sure you're right about that Torch. I remember driving along Quadra St. and sometimes seeing a boxcar spotted there (never did photograph one though). Here's a single shot of a boxcar in the upper part of the yard taken on July 28, 1985.
 
Dave
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:14pm
A few freight car shots taken around the yard on Aug. 5, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:15pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:16pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:17pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:18pm
5.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 6:53pm
Hey Goose.. do you have the  photo of the  transformer move at  Johnson terminals? real curious to see that.  I like the  fotos of the upper yard.. I was always curious to see the cars there..seemed like they unloaded just about anything up there!
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 8:00pm
Hi Torch, I dug them out and scanned them just for you! Photos taken on Jan. 16, 1987.
 
Dave
 
1.
 
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 8:01pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 8:02pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 8:03pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 8:04pm
5.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 25th, 2007, 11:04pm
awesome! thanks D.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Nov 26th, 2007, 12:34am
Wow!! Thats really cool, I`m surprised the track could handle something like that  
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 26th, 2007, 2:56am
Aug. 5, 1985 pic #1 contains the cleanest grain hopper I've ever laid eyes on.
Posted by: missthealcos Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 5:38pm
Darn close to brand new, that's why..last of those cars were built in 1985
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:06pm
Here's some shots showing some switching around the yard and interchange area taken on Aug. 6, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:08pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:08pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:09pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:10pm
5.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:11pm
6.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:12pm
7.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:14pm
8.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:15pm
9.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 6:17pm
10.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 10:09pm
great stuff again,Goose..  Hey..in the later years I watched CPrail switch that propane center.. I suppose they had to once the CN barge was not being used anymore.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:30pm
A few random shots.
 
Dave
 
1. Aug. 9, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:31pm
2. Aug. 13, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:33pm
3. Aug. 18, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 8:34pm
4.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 9:32pm
Nice shots Dave,
 
I didnt realize that the BCR sent its cars to the island.
 
Also I wonder what the insulated CN boxcar was for? Its doubtful that CN was serving customers that had perishable goods by this time. Unless it was for Johnson Terminals.
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 11:39pm
Sweet wide angle shot of the "train" on the Selkirk trestle.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 1:16am
on Dec 3rd, 2007, 9:32pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice shots Dave,
 
I didnt realize that the BCR sent its cars to the island.
 
Also I wonder what the insulated CN boxcar was for? Its doubtful that CN was serving customers that had perishable goods by this time. Unless it was for Johnson Terminals.

 
Those BCOL cars showed up on the island quite regularly
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:06pm
Here's another set of photos taken around the yard.
 
Dave
 
1. First a couple of shots of the passenger car that had been stored at the E&N yard for years and had now been sent to CN to be moved to Vancouver on their barge. I ran across the car in the evening just as the sun was going down on Aug. 26, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:07pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:09pm
3. Now some shots taken the next morning on Aug. 27, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:10pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:11pm
5.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:13pm
6.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:14pm
7.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:16pm
8.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:18pm
9.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:19pm
10.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:20pm
11.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 9:21pm
12. Finally, another panoramic shot taken in the morning on Aug. 28, 1985.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 10:37pm
What an interesting little railway CN had here. It must have been great to watch all the daily switching activities that you did, it sure didn't take long for it all to disappear. Picture 11 is my fave of that bunch, did you ever take any pics of them switching the BCFP mill from Gorge Road (it would have been a great vantage point!)?
Posted by: torch Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 1:40am
lots of  frieght for  a  3 mile long  railway!
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 4:55pm
Again great action shots on the Selkirk trestle!
 
The look of the line reminds me of the Arbutus line of the Marpole Spur in Vancouver in its last days. A few industries, short trains, maybe only a couple cars long, running daily or almost daily through urban areas on poorly maintained track. These types of areas might be my favourite type of railfanning.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 5:40pm
Thanks guys. The shots showing the trestle and whole yard area were actually taken from my balcony at the time as I lived in the apartment at the corner of Gorge Rd. and Washington Ave. from 1984 to 1988 and so was able to see all the yard activities every day. Mike, it's interesting that you would mention the Arbutus line in Vancouver as that line is the reason I love trains to this day. I grew up in a house at 33rd Ave. and Angus Drive from 1963 to 1973 and could see the line wind its way up the reverse S curve between 33rd and 37th Aves. from our upstairs windows and watched the BC Hydro trains every day and walked the line many times. Sadly I never owned a camera then so never photographed it. I have been wanting to get over there and do one of my track sets for the line before any major changes happen to it. Maybe in the new year. And Chris I dug out a couple of shots showing mill switching taken on Mar. 30, 1988.  
 
Dave
 
1.   
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 5:42pm
2.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 8:15pm
on Dec 4th, 2007, 9:21pm, Goose5 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
12. Finally, another panoramic shot taken in the morning on Aug. 28, 1985.

 
I like how this pic shows only CP rolling stock on this CN line...  
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Dec 5th, 2007, 10:12pm
on Dec 5th, 2007, 5:40pm, Goose5 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 And Chris I dug out a couple of shots showing mill switching taken on Mar. 30, 1988.  
   

 
 
Yes! Thats exactly the kind of picture I was thinking of, thanks once again, Dave!  
 
BTW, that would have been a cool apartment to live in, water views AND a train trestle/yard  
Posted by: torch Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 3:17am
awesome shots..  I always thought that plant had  only two spurs.. thats all I could ever see while driving past there.. Now I can see there were  three! I bet by that time they werent  using all three. looks like pretty light traffic.  As  for the cp rail rolling stock , cp boxes were  what I saw most of  at  johnson  terminals. Dave, you dont hapen to have any fotos of cars in the johnson terminal track do ya? or a shot of a  car  on the alfa street spur? just curious.    man, you keep giving us a  gold  glimpse into the past!
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:18pm
Hi Torch, I don't have any photos showing cars on the Alpha St. spur but I did find one photo showing some switching completely within the Johnston Terminals spur for you + here's another collection of shots.
 
Dave
 
1. Oct. 23, 1986.
 
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:19pm
2. Crossing Swan Lake trestle. Sept. 3, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:21pm
3. In the cut near Quadra St.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:23pm
4. A few shots around the yard. Sept. 8, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:25pm
5.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:26pm
6.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:27pm
7. Sept. 21, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:29pm
8. Crossing Quadra St. Oct. 8, 1985.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:30pm
9. Switching Borden Mercantile.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 7th, 2007, 7:31pm
10.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Dec 9th, 2007, 4:27am
I gotta say..you have  the most  in depth shots of  the CNR vic  operations of that area that ive  ever seen.  well done.  Love the  johnson terminals shot.. that mustve been the last days of johnson terminal CN  operations.  when was that discontinued? anybody know? wasnt the  barge gone as of 87?
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 9th, 2007, 5:01pm
Hi Torch, the last day of the barge operation was March 30, 1988. I have a set of about 15 shots taken on that day of which the first 2 were the ones showing BCFP mill switching from Gorge Rd. before the barge arrived.
 
Dave
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: Dec 9th, 2007, 5:04pm
When did the BCFP mill close down, I am guessing 89 or 90?
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 5:37pm
Here's a few shots taken around the yard on Nov. 4, 1985.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 5:38pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 5:39pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 5:40pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 5:41pm
5.
Posted by: El-e-va-tion Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 6:51pm
on Dec 19th, 2007, 5:37pm, Goose5 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here's a few shots taken around the yard on Nov. 4, 1985.

 
What was a BCR caboose ever doing on the Island? This wouldn't happen to be the caboose that is in Saanich now is it?
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 9:05pm
Can't say 100% but I'd bet money on it.  As far as I know the BCOL van that went ot Saanich was hauled to end of track of the Saanich Spur & loaded onto a flatbed there for the rest of the trip to it's current home
Posted by: craigolio Posted on: Dec 19th, 2007, 10:00pm
May i copy and paste that caboose photo on a BCR yahoo group?  With proper credit to the photographer.  By the way who is the photographer? Nice job by the way.  These photos are amazing.
 
Thanks, Craig
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2007, 7:07pm
Hi Craig, thanks for the compliment. You're welcome to repost the photo if you want. It was taken by me, Dave Royston.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Dec 20th, 2007, 10:14pm
Crazy!  Hey Dave...I  remember seeing that caboose sitting on the borden mercantile spur one morning.  Bringin back memories!
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 6:57pm
Happy New Year everyone, time to get back posting some photos. Here's a set taken on Nov. 26, 1985 during a blizzard.
 
Dave
 
1.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 6:59pm
2.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:00pm
3.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:01pm
4.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:02pm
5.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:03pm
6.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:05pm
7. These 2 were taken the next day after it had stopped snowing.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2008, 7:06pm
8.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 13th, 2008, 10:50pm
SW8 7154 at Ogden Point, March 1972.  This unit was on the Island for many years and I believe closed out Ogden Point as a CN operation.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 13th, 2008, 10:53pm
GMD1 1000 at Deerholme, September 5, 1982.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 13th, 2008, 10:57pm
General view of the track layout at Deerholme, looking west.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 13th, 2008, 11:00pm
Caboose 78876 at Deerholme.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 19th, 2008, 1:45am
1982-05-23 C.N. Speeder 19394 at Deerholme
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 19th, 2008, 1:55am
1982-06-23 C.N. 1000 at Deerholme.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 19th, 2008, 2:25am
1982-05-23 C.N. tank car at Deerholme.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Jun 19th, 2008, 2:29am
1982-05-23 C.N 1000 @ Deerholme.
Posted by: BCOL764 Posted on: Jun 19th, 2008, 4:58pm
Wow, neat photos.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Jun 20th, 2008, 7:17pm
Thanks Tyler!  Looks like a quarter of a century ago, tfctrains and I were chasing each other around Vancouver Island taking train pictures!
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: May 6th, 2009, 4:57pm
Neat photo at www.cnrphotos.com, GE 80-tonner #74 switching the Victoria yard. Check out the whistle on that thing, I've never seen a locomotive with a 6-chime whistle.  
 
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=49811
Posted by: torch Posted on: May 6th, 2009, 10:22pm
Looks like  two  nathan m3h horns  stacked.
Posted by: Steampower2 Posted on: May 25th, 2009, 11:23am
Hello Railfans:
 
Here is an image from the 1950 NAPL phot collectiion showing CN's Point Ellis yard on Tuesday 4 July 1950 at 0930. For Cn fans this is the best track diagram of point Elis that I have been abel to find. I would like to know what the names of the individual tracks were, what they were used for and how the yard was operated and how the car ferry was unloaded and loaded.
 
There is lots to see here:
 
Posted by: Steampower2 Posted on: May 25th, 2009, 11:28am
Hello Railfans:
 
Here is an image from the 1950 NAPL photo collectiion showing CN's Point Ellis yard on Tuesday 4 July 1950 at 0930. For Cn fans this is the best track diagram of point Elis that I have been abel to find. I would like to know what the names of the individual tracks were, what they were used for and how the yard was operated and how the car ferry was unloaded and loaded.
 
There is lots to see here:
 
There is a Steam engine in front of engine house, Military vehicles on flat cars. 8 hatch covered hoppers, different sizes of flat cars and a lot of open topped box cars for cordwood.  
 
Posted by: Steampower2 Posted on: May 25th, 2009, 11:38am
Here is an image that I am using for track planning with the tracks in the yard highlighted. The grid is 1 foot for HO Scale and the drawing scale is 3/4" to the foot.
Posted by: Coastrail Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 1:33am
Look at all of the little buildings along the shoreline. I wonder what they were used for.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 1:43am
That is amazing, yes, the best I've seen of the yard and I was wondering, since I now live in the development that has taken it's place, if it would be possible to get a higher resolution copy from you? I'd like to print it out, and frame it for my place.
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: cobblehillian Posted on: Jun 6th, 2009, 12:51pm
Over the past year I have provided oversight and guidance to the City of Duncan on the restoration of their ex CN Caboose (Van) #79124 located at the Duncan E&N station.  The City has provided some funding, and a lot of the labour, mine included, have been donated by volunteers.  As well, all of the materials have been donated.
 
Wanted:  We want to provide a podium style interpretive marker with a brief history and commentary on the caboose.  We already have the usual biographical data; where built, by who, when, etc.,etc.  However, to make the interpretive material more interesting we need more information.  
 
We have not been able to find any good pictures of #79124, nor have we been able to uncover any specific history of the caboose on the Island, or many stories of use here.
 
Any picture materials or information would be very helpful and appreciated.  Of course, all pictures used would be credited.  Please respond by private email to me through this site.
 
Thanks, Cobblehillian
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Sep 10th, 2009, 12:43pm
Thanks, cobblehillian, for all you're doing to support the CVM projects. What I'd like to see is a concerted effort to preserve the Tidewater ROW in perpetuity for outdoors' people.
Thanks for Dayliner for posting old pics of the Tidewater Subdivision  Deerholm wye.  
 
Here's a photo I took last week of where the southern wye joins the CNR mainline. The southern wye is the only connection the locals have kept open since the line was abandoned. Thanks for your continuing interest.
 

 
ABOVE: the rear cycle wheel is just off the southern wye from Tidewater CNR Subdivision (TWS) which connects Deerholm to Cowichan Bay BC P.S. Today, the entire TWS is completely intact but only clear from Deerholm to Koksilah Road (beside T.W. Paterson's Firgrove Publishing home).
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 11th, 2009, 5:38pm
Now there's a picture that makes me feel OLD!  Thanks (sort of)cycledude!
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Sep 13th, 2009, 11:43am
on Sep 11th, 2009, 5:38pm, Dayliner wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Now there's a picture that makes me feel OLD!  Thanks (sort of)cycledude!

 
I hearya . . . ah . . . to be 72 again! . . . those were the days . . .  
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 1:16am
I was out on Rocky Point Rd. this morning, and took some pictures of the old CN right of way... now the Galloping Goose trail.
 
All four pictures were taken (within a few meters of) where Walpole Rd intersects Rocky Point Rd. Here the old CN crosses Rocky Point Rd., after running almost parallel to Happy Valley Rd from the Colwood/Luxton area)
 
1) Looking across Rocky Point Rd. coming from the Colwood direction. This is what's left of the first Rocky Point rd crossing.
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 1:21am
2) Taken at the old Rocky Point Rd. crossing looking in the same direction. The line curves away very gently to the right. Here the old railway ran on the east side of Rocky Point Rd. for a couple of miles, before turning due west and crossing (back over) Rocky Point Rd. for the second time, and heading out to Sooke.
 
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 1:24am
3) The old CN line again taken from the Rocky Point Rd crossing looking towards Colwood.
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 1:28am
4) Finally, another view of the old CN taken further up the trail (slightly north of Rocky Point Rd). The line sweeps gracefully away into the distance... if you follow it up, it crosses Happy Valley Rd. and eventually Sooke Rd. just near the Glen Lake Inn.
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 2:13am
on Sep 16th, 2009, 1:24am, Speeder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
3) The old CN line again taken from the Rocky Point Rd crossing looking towards Colwood.

 
Nice, looking towards the old Metchosin station too.
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 2:56am
Where exactly was the old Metchosin Station? Right by the first Rocky point Road crossing (in other words, within the view of this picture)? Or further north towards Happy Valley Rd?
Posted by: bcr4604 Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 3:08am
on Sep 16th, 2009, 2:56am, Speeder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Where exactly was the old Metchosin Station? Right by the first Rocky point Road crossing (in other words, within the view of this picture)? Or further north towards Happy Valley Rd?

 
I believe the trees in the background of the 3rd picture is where the station was. At the second Rocky Point Rd. crossing near Matheson Lake is where Rocky Point station was.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 3:35am
Here is an article that  a friend passed along to me  to post here. It shows a temp recycle operation involving cn at the end of the saanich spur at that time.    Also, I must ask:  does  anybody know the location of the spur in rocky point where the munitions transloading took place? thanks!
Posted by: Speeder Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 3:58am
Re: the Rocky Point spur:
 
I checked into that recently, and from what I've been told, it was immediately to the west of the second Rocky Point Rd. crossing... exactly where the car park is now. If you look on Google Earth you can see what looks like the area where the spur was.  
 
By the way, from what I've been told, it was not a spur in the sense that diverged from the mainline (off into a different direction)... rather, it was a siding (or team track) that ran parallel to the mainline. I don't know if it was actually a passing loop.  
 
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 4:04am
thanks, Speeder.. Thats pretty much how I pictured it as well but I wanted to hear someone else' confirmation.   I went out there on bike in 1989 and remember coming up to the parking lot and thinking it looked like a spur wouldve been there and I had heard of the ammo transload.  I have also heard murmurings in the past of a pipe manufacturer in metchosin that shipped by rail  but never heard any more confirmation on that.  Only the antrobus pole yard. I have an ariel photo of the antrobus yard taken in 1976  that I will post here too  showing the spur that went in. Not sure when antrobus stopped shipping by rail but I assume it was toward the end of the 70s.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 8:10am
Here is  an ariel  photo of the antrobus poleyard in south langford, by belmont secondary. Taken in 1976. You can see where the spur goes in at the cut in the treeline.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 8:14am
Here is a  wider ariel photo of  the antrobus poleyard in relation to belmont secondary. If you follow the r.o.w.  up to the top of the photo you will notice that there is a gap where a bridge is missing over a creek. I wonder what year this bridge was removed. I guess this shows that nothing moved into colwood by rail after 1976 when this photo was taken.  I dont see any runaround siding near the poleyard so the cars must have been pushed there after a previous runaround move at a siding west of here.  Anybody care to speculate?
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Sep 16th, 2009, 2:26pm
on Sep 16th, 2009, 1:16am, Speeder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I was out on Rocky Point Rd. this morning, and took some pictures of the old CN right of way... now the Galloping Goose trail.
 
All four pictures were taken (within a few meters of) where Walpole Rd intersects Rocky Point Rd. Here the old CN crosses Rocky Point Rd., after running almost parallel to Happy Valley Rd from the Colwood/Luxton area)
 
1) Looking across Rocky Point Rd. coming from the Colwood direction. This is what's left of the first Rocky Point rd crossing.

 
Thanks for posting recent photos from one of the most picturesque sections of the Galloping Goose Trail (GGT 25km-marker). When this trail was an active CNR railway, the distance markers were designated in miles; now, in the age of political correctness, the CRD uses trail markers in kilometres. The former markers were accurate and any reported positions inbetween were given in percentages-of-a-mile; i.e., Mile 51.1 designated a point one-tenth-of-a-mile (170-yards) outbound from the starting point -- Mile-Zero.
 
Just as in the old days of the CNR's Galloping Goose Railway, I find it useful to included distance references when discussing various points-of-interest along the GGT, CNR route. To this end is included a photo showing Rocky Point Road crossing is located just beyond the 30km-Marker on the GGT. We know the view is westbound because the trailmarker is on the righthand side of the trail.
 
 
30km marker Rocky Pont Road Crossing: 48°21'20.06"N 123°34'49.49"W  Copy&Paste these soordinated into Google.Earth
 
P.S. The Capital Regional District Water (CRD) has closed the GGT to public use beyond the 48.5-mark (Sooke Potholes) for over-one-year. The CRD has also closed The Land Conservancy (TLC) Campground for the entire 2009 season. When -- or if -- this section of the trail to Leechtown will ever be returned to public use, is anyone's guess.
Posted by: CN7059 Posted on: Sep 17th, 2009, 3:21am
on Sep 16th, 2009, 2:26pm, cycledude wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
P.S. The Capital Regional District Water (CRD) has closed the GGT to public use beyond the 48.5-mark (Sooke Potholes) for over-one-year. The CRD has also closed The Land Conservancy (TLC) Campground for the entire 2009 season. When -- or if -- this section of the trail to Leechtown will ever be returned to public use, is anyone's guess.

 
I'll add this: the trail has been closed to allow for the installation of a new water supply line in to Sooke. Unfortunately, this means that the original grade will be destroyed. I don't mean that the path of the trail will be altered; it will still follow the same ROW. However, for those of us who are actually geeky enough to care about such things, it should be noted that on that particular section of the trail, the rails and ties were removed, but the roadbed was left intact. So, when you're cycling that stretch of track, you are literally on the exact same grade as was used by the railway. When I say the grade is being destroyed, what I mean is that this will no longer be the case. There are a couple of places where it is still possible to see an old cross tie embedded in the trail.
 
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=Vancouver;action=display;num=1204058803;start=
Posted by: torch Posted on: Sep 17th, 2009, 7:37am
I added three somewhat interesting photos and  had questions.  Any feedback regarding my posts?  thank ye.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 17th, 2009, 3:59pm
torch, you certainly got my attention with that first photo.  I can remember seeing boxcars spotted at that location in the early 1970s, presumably for loading recyclables.  I never saw a gon there, though.  I remember going to that old winery-cum-recycling-depot with my dad.
 
It's not just the surroundings that have changed since then--can you imagine a class 1 today spotting a single car for that kind of load, and allowing people to climb on and in it without 17 different kinds of PPE and a briefcase full of legal waivers?  The times, they have been a-changing . . .
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Sep 21st, 2009, 1:58am
Wow, torch, what a picture!  Things were quiet out there the year I was born!
I remember going to the old winery as a kid to dump recycle stuff with my Dad too!  Makes one think of another product still viable today as a rail "commodity" - recyclables.
I remember the painted sign on the old building used to say something like
 "______ Loganberry Wine"  Anybody remember the first word?  And was it ever served by rail, because the line went right beside it.
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 6:07pm
on Sep 21st, 2009, 1:58am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wow, torch, what a picture!  Things were quiet out there the year I was born!
I remember going to the old winery as a kid to dump recycle stuff with my Dad too!  Makes one think of another product still viable today as a rail "commodity" - recyclables.
I remember the painted sign on the old building used to say something like
 "______ Loganberry Wine"  Anybody remember the first word?  And was it ever served by rail, because the line went right beside it.

The first word would be "Slinger's".  Do not know if it was rail served or not.
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 1:05am
Hey Gang...take a good look at that first airiel photo, notice what looks to be a longer spur located located east (above) the Antrobus spur? i am sure thats the old ballast pit spur that is listed in the timetables. alot of fill came out of that pit in the fifties for filling bridges along the line. The spur was 22 car lengths and was 0.3 miles from the Antrobus spur and switched heading west
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2009, 1:08am
sorry my mistake its the second airiel photo i am talking about!
Posted by: cn8863 Posted on: Nov 9th, 2009, 12:46am
Ol' 7156 in Victoria in the 70's.  There's something I've been wondering for a while, perhaps someone on here would know, were the SW's were ever used out of Deerholme as well?  
 
http://www.cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=54803&g2_imageViewsIndex=2
Posted by: CP8673 Posted on: Nov 9th, 2009, 11:43am
I'm not going to say no,  but I highly doubt it.
Posted by: bigcreekcowboy Posted on: Feb 28th, 2011, 11:41pm
Is there any pictures showing the underside of that draw bridge? I love the idea of modeling the trestle and lift span.
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 1:34am
A few people have wondered where the grain hoppers were spotted that came into Cowichan Bay for Top Shelf in the mid to late 80's and today at work someone asked me the same question, well the cars were spotted on the main line next to the road to Westcan Terminals, there was plenty of room to park a truck and the portable auger, CN would give topshelf the heads up of the car coming and the truck and auger would start unloading as soon as a car or two was spotted, being the barge was coming only once or twice a week then it would be easy to have the cars empty for the next turn, the cars were usually the blue ADM or green Chicago Northwestern hoppers and had ground soybean or corn, my brother worked for topshelf for awhile so several times i was there when they were unloading the cars.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jul 6th, 2011, 4:55pm
The subject of Victoria Pacific Railway and CN's last runs to Colwood and Rocky Point are being discussed over at Mike Dunham-Wilkie's photostream, and something's been bothering me.
 
I've seen posted to here CN timetables from 1968 and 1979. The '68 has a speed limit of 20 mph with some slow orders, the '79 has a blanket limit of 10 mph and lists everything south of Leechtown (mile 33.9) to Tillicum as abandoned. Leechtown is 25 miles away of Deerholme (as is Youbou in the opposite direction), Colwood is 50 miles away. Hmmm... I'm not saying the slow order was the reason for ending service, but it seems like an interesting coincidence that exactly half the servicable track was abandoned at about the same time the speed limit was cut in half.
 
Does anyone have timetables between these two and know when the 10 mph limit was put into place? Also, when were the last runs to Colwood and Rocky Point? I had always thought '72, then I heard '75, now someone has said 76 or 77.
 
There's also the question of when the Victoria Pacific equipment was moved via shoofly interchange track to CP - sometime between '76 and '80, I'm told. Strange that it only ran for two seasons and then sat unused for several years. I had been under the impression it was something like Pacific Wilderness - here one day and then zooming out of town the next. (Inasumuch as a geared logging steam engine can zoom - the Chariots Of Fire theme is coming to mind here...)
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jul 7th, 2011, 2:24am
The book A Historic Guide to the E&N railway by Ian Baird has a chapter on the CNR and on pages 8 and 9 it reads...Trains continued to come as far south as Colwood until 1972 when that service was put on an "as required basis" The Rocky Point military installation received its ammunition by rail until 1977.
I do remember seeing boxcars spotted at Tyup being unloaded by the DND in 1977 and later the boxcars were unloaded on the siding closer to Westcan Terminals, mostly single cars but sometimes a pair and always had the explosive placards, were still unloading cars there in the mid 80's.
So it could be that Antrobus was still shipping out poles till 76 or 77  
 
 
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 6th, 2011, 9:17pm
Who else remembers the visit of the BC Museum Train in September 1975?  I'm sure other pictures of the event have been posted somewhere on this board but I don't know where.  I'll put in "CN pics" since the train was parked in the CN yard.  Here's 1077 beside the interchange track.  I wonder what was in that tank car, and where it was going?
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 6th, 2011, 9:20pm
And comin' at ya!
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 6th, 2011, 9:22pm
And Shawnigan Lake Lumber 2 was in steam as well.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Sep 7th, 2011, 1:37am
on Sep 6th, 2011, 9:17pm, Dayliner wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Who else remembers the visit of the BC Museum Train in September 1975?  I'm sure other pictures of the event have been posted somewhere on this board but I don't know where.  I'll put in "CN pics" since the train was parked in the CN yard.  Here's 1077 beside the interchange track.  I wonder what was in that tank car, and where it was going?

 
Great pics! Maybe that tank car was from the BCFP mill, but I don't know why they would have interchanged it with the E&N?
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Sep 7th, 2011, 3:48pm
Quote:
Maybe that tank car was from the BCFP mill, but I don't know why they would have interchanged it with the E&N?

May have been consigned to BCFP from a shipper on a CP line, so would be routed via E&N to/from Victoria.
 
Or, could be consigned to an up-Island customer from a shipper on a CN line and routed via Point Ellice to/from that customer.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Sep 28th, 2011, 10:54pm
on Jul 6th, 2011, 4:55pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There's also the question of when the Victoria Pacific equipment was moved via shoofly interchange track to CP - sometime between '76 and '80, I'm told. Strange that it only ran for two seasons and then sat unused for several years.

 
My question has been answered, from the records of Dave Wilkie himself: mid-July to early August 1976.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 18th, 2012, 3:30pm
This is Dave Wilkies shot of the last run east of Deerholme on June 20, 1979on Aug 17th, 2004, 2:54pm, ENR3870 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
CN 1000 hauls a northbound freight at Leechtown. Dave Wilkie photo.

 
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 4th, 2012, 12:42am
on Apr 4th, 2012, 12:28am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)


A east bound CN train at mile 75.6 Cowichan Sub.
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 4th, 2012, 12:46am
on Apr 4th, 2012, 12:42am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A east bound CN train at mile 75.6 Cowichan Sub.
 

Another photo not far from the town of Lake Cowichan I think.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 4th, 2012, 1:04am
Great shots, Frank! Nice to see any shots of this line  
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 4th, 2012, 1:47am
on Apr 4th, 2012, 1:04am, vicguy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great shots, Frank! Nice to see any shots of this line  

Glad you like them Chris, it kind brings back a better time on Vancouver Island for me. Sure would be nice if they would make up there mind about the E&N, the longer they they wait the harder it is going to be to bring it back.
 
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 4th, 2012, 3:17pm
on Apr 4th, 2012, 1:47am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Glad you like them Chris, it kind brings back a better time on Vancouver Island for me. Sure would be nice if they would make up there mind about the E&N, the longer they they wait the harder it is going to be to bring it back.
 

 
If I'd only turned 16 and gotten my drivers license a few years earlier I could've photographed this line too!
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 5th, 2012, 12:51am
on Apr 4th, 2012, 11:00pm, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Hey, how come you never showed that to me before!  Gosh, seeing that almost did me in!
 
Maybe you did show me?  One good thing about dementia - every slide show is a new one.
 
Meade Creek, right?  Not as picturesque as it used to be.
 

When I found these slides the other night that was the first time I remember seeing, too.  May stop by tomorrow for coffee, hauling concrete tomorrow brother can't get drivers, I still have rocks in my head.
,
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 5th, 2012, 12:55am
on Apr 5th, 2012, 12:51am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

When I found these slides the other night that was the first time I remember seeing, too.  May stop by tomorrow for coffee, hauling concrete tomorrow brother can't get drivers, I still have rocks in my head.
,

Thinking about these slides now, I know when I did see them last, it was on your projector at your house. It was when you and I sat down and went thru my slides and labeled the boxes.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2012, 5:16am
Shouldn't you be giving that concrete-hauling business to the railway?
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Apr 7th, 2012, 4:05pm
on Apr 7th, 2012, 5:16am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Shouldn't you be giving that concrete-hauling business to the railway?

That would be a good idea, no tracks to Western Mines thou.
Posted by: blackdog1 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 5:33am
Is this the same bridge? Taken in pouring rain June 2011.
Posted by: Sidewinder Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 10:38pm
on Apr 11th, 2012, 5:33am, blackdog1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Is this the same bridge? Taken in pouring rain June 2011.

Looks too far from the road from what I remember but perhaps you were using a wide angle lens.  If the photo was taken between Lake Cowichan and Youbou, that's the one.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Oct 17th, 2013, 1:35am
CN 2116 on train 585 passing under E&N freight at 6 mile. Photo taken in 1956.  
Photo by  F. Degruchy, Ken Showers collection. Used with permission.  
 
Posted by: mike_enr Posted on: Oct 17th, 2013, 11:22am
Cool photo, Chris!
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Oct 17th, 2013, 3:32pm
Thanks Mike!
 
Here's CN museum train about to pass under the newly constructed Island Highway and then the E&N. Photo taken 1958. Photo by  F. Degruchy, Ken Showers collection. Used with permission.    
Posted by: Gyralite Posted on: Oct 18th, 2013, 2:43am
WOW! great color!
 
Ditch lights way back then?
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Oct 19th, 2013, 9:51pm
Martin you are right it kinda reminds me of Kodacolour or Kodachrome when film was king.
Posted by: thehighwayman Posted on: Oct 20th, 2013, 11:46pm
Cowichan Leader website his a nice 1954 colour photo of a CN log train on the Kinsol trestle.
 
http://www.cowichannewsleader.com/news/228183981.html
 
Will MacKenzie
Flamborough, ON
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Oct 21st, 2013, 2:51pm
A question about wooden trestles if I may. When I rode trains over the Knox and Kane Steel Trestle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinzua_Bridge or the Algoma Central Montreal River trestle http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobolink/3819523560/or the Lethbridge Trestle http://www.flickr.com/photos/adventure/2051284389/ the train was slowed to a walk. Were the wooden trestles on the Island subject to the same speed restrictions? I have seen the old CP diesels headed to Port on the far side of Cameron lake crawling over the trestles but always thought their speed was being governed by the ruling grade. I never witnessed the return run to Parksville.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Oct 21st, 2013, 3:07pm
The 1965 CN Cowichan Sub timetable had 10 mph slow orders for mileposts 0.4 (Selkirk drawbridge), 2.4 (Colquitz Creek), 6.9 (Millstream Creek), 21.0 (either Grouse Nest or Veitch Creek?), 27.1 (Charters Creek), 51.1 (Kinsol Trestle) and 59.7 (Holt Creek). Everywhere else the speed limit was 20 mph.
 
Wooden trestles that were notably absent from the slow-order list were Ayum Creek, Todd Creek and the two trestles at the south end of Sooke Lake.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Oct 21st, 2013, 5:08pm
Thank You.
Posted by: Jason King Posted on: Oct 21st, 2013, 10:14pm
on Oct 17th, 2013, 11:22am, mike_enr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Cool photo, Chris!

 
I concur! What an amazing photo. I assume that's the old island highway there, and it doesn't look paved. Great to see!
 
Cheers.
 
J\
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Oct 22nd, 2013, 4:31pm
on Oct 21st, 2013, 2:51pm, Dennis Dalla-Vicenza wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A question about wooden trestles if I may. When I rode trains over the Knox and Kane Steel Trestle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinzua_Bridge or the Algoma Central Montreal River trestle http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobolink/3819523560/or the Lethbridge Trestle http://www.flickr.com/photos/adventure/2051284389/ the train was slowed to a walk. Were the wooden trestles on the Island subject to the same speed restrictions? I have seen the old CP diesels headed to Port on the far side of Cameron lake crawling over the trestles but always thought their speed was being governed by the ruling grade. I never witnessed the return run to Parksville.

 
   To add to emilydm's info, a 1930 CNR Cowichan Subdivision timetable shows no  slow orders for bridges except for log trains ,which required a 10 mph slow order for the 12 degree curved Millstream trestle at mile 6.9. A 1953 timetable shows only 6.9 and 51.1 [Koksilah] requiring 10 mph slow orders. Regarding the Port Sub, a 1971 timetable shows a 15mph permanent slow order between mile 12.7 and 24.0 [both ways] A 1988 timetable shows the slow order reduced to 10 mph and extended from 12.7 to mile 30[again, both directions]
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2013, 1:01pm
Thanks Jamie, and I will think this is for safety and not lack of service because I noted the steel trestles elsewhere all have the same restrictions.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2013, 4:10pm
CN 2149 on eastbound train 586 in Colwood, crossing Hwy 1A. The now closed White Spot restaurant is on the right.  Photo taken 1958.  Photo by F. Degruchy, Ken Showers collection. Used with permission.
 
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2013, 4:52pm
Thanks for another great upload, the colours are perfect, it's like a portal to the past with the shopworn old steamer in it's final months on the Island, showing all the rusty evidence of working life in our moist, salty environment.
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Oct 27th, 2013, 3:55pm
This is one of my favorite photos of the set, CN 2116 racing west on train 585 between Admirals and Burnside Rd.  Photo taken 1955. Photo by  F. Degruchy, Ken Showers collection. Used with permission.
 
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Apr 18th, 2014, 7:42pm
When was the CN track connected to the EN track in West Victoria?
Posted by: Aaron Lypkie Posted on: Apr 19th, 2014, 2:13pm
on Apr 18th, 2014, 7:42pm, anifan1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
When was the CN track connected to the EN track in West Victoria?

I think it was 1990 as the final year that the interchange was intact.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 19th, 2014, 7:01pm
Shown here on February 19, 1990, was the last movement on the interchange, when CP 6701 pulled the CN GMD1 1070 over the trestle and into history as the last CN engine to leave CN's Vancouver Island trackage. Photo by Jamie Masters
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 12:41am
February 19, 1990,  On the interchange in Vic West for the last time, CN GMD1 1070 crew members and some of their family gather for some final pictures before CP 6701 pulls the 1070 off the interchange, ending seventy five years of CNR history on Vancouver Island.    Photo by Jamie Masters
Posted by: vicguy Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 1:24am
Great photos Jaimie! Thanks for posting.
Posted by: 404 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 1:22pm
Anybody have video of this "last ride"?
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 4:28pm
Great pictures. Though the question I asked was not when the track was pulled. I ment when CN put in the rail connection to the EN Rail?
 
I suspect it was 1920 when the yard was opened.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 5:29pm
Consistent with the CNR's foot dragging approach to developing rail on Vancouver Island, it took until the summer of 1930, for them and the E&N to start construction of the interchange.
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 7:02pm
Ok, and what was the purpose?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 11:08pm
Local boosterism from the Chamber of Commerce and the City of Victoria, eager to encourage industrial development, is what drove the eventual creation of the interchange . It had been proposed back in the early 1920's, but it took much prodding of the CNR to get them to carry out the plans for completing the interchange and the rest of their Point Ellice Terminal, sitting on 26 acres of expropriated Songhees Reserve land . Once it was built, I am not really sure of how much traffic actually moved between the railways, but I know through the mid  to late 1950's, the CNR moved many carloads of peeler logs from Leechtown down to the interchange, where the E&N then took them to the Vic Ply mill in Esquimalt.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 11:13pm
Wow, Jamie, Awesome Photos of that movement!  I always wondered if there was documentation of that locomotive transfer to the CP on the interchange.
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Apr 21st, 2014, 11:54pm
Thanks Jamie, it all makes sense now. Knowing that they started the interchange during the summer in 1930. It would have been a quick build so it would have been done and opened later of that year.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2014, 1:20am
CN GMD1 1070, ready to leave Vic West,  dead in transit as part of Extra 5021 North - February 19 1990.   Photo by Jamie Masters
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jul 6th, 2014, 10:17pm
May 31,1989,10:45 am, photo by Jamie Masters.  CN GMD1 1070 is heading back to Point Ellice Yard after switching Borden Mercantile. The 1070 is crossing Swan Street, with the actual lake in the background along with Christmas Hill and further still, Observatory Hill [visible behind the telephone pole]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jul 7th, 2014, 1:52am
October 6, 1989, CN GMD1 1070 crosses the Selkirk trestle on the way to Borden Mercantile- just three months remain in CN's service on the Island. Photo by Jamie Masters
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Jul 7th, 2014, 12:01pm
Jamie, three great pictures, thanks for sharing.  
 
It is blatantly obvious why there is a dearth on inactivity on the railroad because if you fast forward to today and head to the south end of Washington and take the trestle picture again you will see absolutely no reason for the railroad to exist in its present form. There is no industry down there that could accept rail delivery or rail shipping.  
 
I used to live at the corner of the Gorge and Washington in the big condos.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Jul 7th, 2014, 1:20pm
Great set of pics, Jamie Thnx
Swan Lake Road is now Swan Street at this location.
 
Bill
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jul 7th, 2014, 5:55pm
on Jul 7th, 2014, 1:20pm, cycledude wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great set of pics, Jamie Thnx
Swan Lake Road is now Swan Street at this location.
 
Bill

Thanks Bill, my mistake in the caption, I will correct it.[ Swan Lake Road is actually on the other side of the lake]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 13th, 2014, 6:16pm
Photo by Elwood White [collection of Jamie Masters]  May 1959, Train 586 led by near new GMD1 1000, is eastbound at approximately mile 10.5 Cowichan Subdivision [Glen Lake/ Happy Valley area ] The lead freight car carries peeler logs for the Vic Ply mill in Esquimalt - a business the CNR would soon give up to trucks.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Aug 14th, 2014, 10:42pm
Thanks for posting this rare image, Jamie
Bill
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 15th, 2014, 2:22am
Photo by Elwood White [ collection of Jamie Masters]
Late spring, 1958, CNR Alco 1727 switching the yard at Tyup [mile 4.8 , Tidewater Sub] The Alcos were found to be too rough on the light rail of CN's island trackage and would be replaced by GMD1s by the early fall of 1958
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Aug 15th, 2014, 4:37pm
Another keeper, Jamie. It's a little known fact seven-kilometres (14 km if one returns to their vehicle) of the Tidewater Subdivision can still be walked between Koksilah Road  and Deerholme Wye.  
 
For any nostalgic railway buffs out there, pickup the trailhead near Tom Paterson's Fir Grove Publishing (his home at 5180 Koksilah Rd, Duncan) just south of the Miller Road intersection. The best parking is at Miller Road (west) -- the intersection nearest to Duncan.
 
Tidewater Sub Video
 
Bill
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 16th, 2014, 1:55am
 lPhoto by Elwood White [collection of Jamie Masters] January, 1956, Train 585 led by the 2141, has passed over Todd Creek [mile 28.4, CowichanSub],and is westbound up the Sooke River canyon , headed for Deerholm, thirty miles distant. [the photo is slightly out of focus and has some water damage]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 16th, 2014, 4:20pm
Photo by Dave Wilkie - used with the permission of Michael Wilkie [ collection of Jamie Masters]  September 29, 1958, Train 585 is westbound over Millstream Creek [mile 6.9 Cowichan sub ]. It is led by the new GMD1 diesels, 1002&1001, note they don't have spark arrestors installed on the exhausts yet.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 16th, 2014, 6:07pm
Photo by Dave Wilkie - used with permission of Michael Wilkie [collection of Jamie Masters]  September 29, 1958, Point Ellice Yard, Victoria BC, GMD1s 1002&1001 refuelling prior to leaving the yard with westbound Train 585.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 18th, 2014, 2:06am
Photo by Elwood White [collection of Jamie Masters] June, 1957, Train 585, led by the  CNR  2120, is westbound over the Todd Creek trestle at mile 28.4 Cowichan Subdivision.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Aug 30th, 2014, 3:59pm
Photo by Elwood White [Collection of Jamie Masters ] August 1956,CNR, 4-6-0 1451 switching the Point Ellice barge slip, with Tyee road in the background.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Oct 29th, 2014, 1:22am
Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters, February, 1957.
Extra 2128 East at mile 2.3 Cowichan Subdivision, the new Colquitz school in the backdrop,the caboose just crossing the Colquitz trestle [I don't know which steam engine was being being hauled dead in transit at the back of the train ]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2014, 12:04am
March 27, 1989, 8:30 am , Victoria [photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Newly arrived CN GMD1 1070 is being hauled over to the interchange and CN trackage, where it was to take over duties from the departed CN GMD1 1000. The Songhees was just under construction at this time, twenty five years ago.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 6th, 2014, 3:46pm
Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters
July ,1956, near mile six, CNR Cowichan Sub.
 
CNR 2104 with Train 585, about to pass under the old Burnside Road overpass.This part of the ROW has been rendered unrecognizable by highway construction.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Dec 6th, 2014, 5:36pm
Excellent pictures, all of them Jamie.  Thanks so much for posting from your collection.
I have looking for photo evidence of CN in some of these spots for quite some time!
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 6th, 2014, 7:31pm
Thanks for your kind words Matt. Here is another one for you.
 
Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters
 
June 15, 1957, Extra 2128 West, crossing Marie Canyon Trestle at mile 66, Cowichan Sub [The bridge was soon to be replaced with a steel trestle ]
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 7th, 2014, 2:54pm
Are there pictures of or does someone have pictures that they could post of the CN Roundhouse in Victoria? Also any of the engine servicing facilities in the CN yard? I may have missed said pictures in the previous fast scan of the current set of posts so please just point them out to me, thank you.
 
 
BTW nice pictures Jamie.  
 
Great collection.
 
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 7th, 2014, 5:31pm
Thanks for your words, Dennis.  At the beginning of this set , there is a shot of GMD1's 1001&1002 refuelling at Victoria. You can see the back of the roundhouse, and the shops, as well as the bunker oil tank for the CNR steam engines.
I will see if I can dig up some more shots of the roundhouse.
 
Jamie
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 7th, 2014, 11:18pm
Photo courtesy of Sooke Region Museum & Archive [collection of Jamie Masters]
 
!930, CNR Point Ellice yard, Victoria BC,  note gas car 15810 located by side of roundhouse, by the following year, passenger service had ended on the Cowichan Sub.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 7th, 2014, 11:45pm
Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters
 
October 1957, CNR roundhouse, Point Ellice Yard, Victoria BC, engines 2128 & 2099, and an unidentified Consolidation, sit outside the roundhouse doors.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 8th, 2014, 4:02pm
Was there an actual turntable or was the roundhouse just service by wyes and switch points?
 
Again thanks for the pictures.  
 
 
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 8th, 2014, 5:26pm
No , there never was a turntable installed by the CNR. Engines had to back out of the yard , and turn on the wye at mile 1.6
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Dec 9th, 2014, 1:30am
Jamie your photos are making me drool....
 
CN was in its dying days in Vitoria when I was a kid; I only remember a few isolated sightings (many more of CP, of course), so anything that confirms or expands my faint memories of the Ellice yard and trackage in the vicinity is fascinating.   I am still hoping (dreaming) for someone to have pics of the Alpha Street/Antrobus Pole Yard area, as well as going back to the Saanich Peninsula branch years as well.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 10th, 2014, 5:09pm
Wonderful collection of great historical value Jamie. Post as many photos as you like, they are much appreciated.
 
Dave
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 10th, 2014, 9:49pm
on Dec 9th, 2014, 1:30am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I am still hoping (dreaming) for someone to have pics of the Alpha Street/Antrobus Pole Yard area

 
I would also like to see this, as well as the Sooke Road crossings (especially the crossing signals at Royal Roads and at Saseenos), and how on earth the Colwood wye was laid out (I've never been able to figure out how it fit in with the cemetery right there). Also the track profile diagram I have shows a short team track or some other stub across from Juan De Fuca where the Tim Hortons is now, does anyone know anything about that?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 10th, 2014, 10:57pm
on Dec 10th, 2014, 9:49pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I would also like to see this, as well as the Sooke Road crossings (especially the crossing signals at Royal Roads and at Saseenos), and how on earth the Colwood wye was laid out (I've never been able to figure out how it fit in with the cemetery right there). Also the track profile diagram I have shows a short team track or some other stub across from Juan De Fuca where the Tim Hortons is now, does anyone know anything about that?

On the 1930 employee Timetable, there is a spur at mile 7.1[The highway crossing was mile 7.3 ] for the Victoria Racing Association,6 cars connected at the west end [there was a horse racing track located down where the playing fields and golf course are now ] The 1943 timetable shows a spur at mile 7.2, listed as Arsenal [military supplies I'm assuming]It is listed as 3 cars in capacity, and connected at the west end. The 1953 timetable shows the same spur.By 1959, CNR timetables show nothing listed at this mileage, probably the Rocky Point siding had taken over military shipments by this time. I'm curious about a wye at Colwood, did it predate 1930 ?, because none of my timetables from 1930 onwards show the presence of a wye in this location.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 11th, 2014, 4:42pm
I may be wrong about the wye, you're right, none of the timetables list anything besides a phone and siding at Colwood... but I could have sworn seeing on one of the Dave Wilkie films, a west-facing spur off to the south on a downhill curve just to the west of the Colwood siding. And Youbou is never listed as having a wye but there was definitely one there.
 
The track profile and curvature diagram I have is dated 1973, from a BC Transit study into light rail between Victoria and the Western Communities. Unfortunately it only goes to milepost 8, right before the Colwood siding begins.
 
Edit: I also never seem to see the Shawnigan wye listed, but I've explored it in person. I wonder when they stopped using it?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 11th, 2014, 5:45pm
on Dec 11th, 2014, 4:42pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I may be wrong about the wye, you're right, none of the timetables list anything besides a phone and siding at Colwood... but I could have sworn seeing on one of the Dave Wilkie films, a west-facing spur off to the south on a downhill curve just to the west of the Colwood siding. And Youbou is never listed as having a wye but there was definitely one there.
 
The track profile and curvature diagram I have is dated 1973, from a BC Transit study into light rail between Victoria and the Western Communities. Unfortunately it only goes to milepost 8, right before the Colwood siding begins.
 
Edit: I also never seem to see the Shawnigan wye listed, but I've explored it in person. I wonder when they stopped using it?

My timetable from 1953, shows a wye at 48.1, as does one from 1959, By 1960, the 48.1 wye has disappeared from the timetable. The Youbou wye shows up on my timetables until 1964, when it's no longer listed for some reason, even though it definitely was in place for many more years.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 1:46am
I'd love to see these timetables, any chance you could scan and post them?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 4:09am
Here is the CNR employee timetable from September, 1930, showing the Cowichan Subdivision [collection of Jamie Masters]  Note the passenger train running as Train 391 &392, it was gone by the summer of the following year. Note also the scheduled meet between the eastbound way freight and the westbound passenger train at Kapoor [35.5 ]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 4:17am
Here is the September, 1930 CNR employee timetable, showing the Pat Bay and Tidewater Subdivisions [collection of Jamie Masters]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 8:55pm
CNR employee timetable, June ,27 1943 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Cowichan subdivision
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 9:00pm
CNR employee timetable June 27, 1943 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 9:15pm
Tonnage ratings for CNR's Island Division, as of June 27, 1943 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Left column shows westbound trains, right shows eastbound.
 
28% & 35% are a form of power rating,  referring to 10 Wheeler steam engines, and Consolidations respectively
 
A engine such as the 2141, could handle no more than 735 tons moving westbound on the Cowichan subdivision, using this rating.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 12th, 2014, 10:04pm
This is some awesome information, thank you!  
 
I knew the Tidewater sub had a decent grade to it, but 2.2 percent? Dang. That's Port Alberni material.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 13th, 2014, 12:05am
on Dec 12th, 2014, 10:04pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This is some awesome information, thank you!  
 
I knew the Tidewater sub had a decent grade to it, but 2.2 percent? Dang. That's Port Alberni material.

Glad you liked it, I'll scan some more timetables as time permits.
The Tidewater Sub's grade is surprisingly severe, good thing most loads were headed to Cowichan Bay and not the other way round.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 14th, 2014, 11:42pm
Photo by Darryl Muralt [collection of Jamie Masters ]
Late April , 1979, Mile board 59, Cowichan Subdivision
Just west of Deerholme, ballast pit spur
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 14th, 2014, 11:52pm
Photo by Darryl Muralt [collection of Jamie Masters ]
Late April 1979, Mile 59 ballast spur,Cowichan Subdivision.
A rare sight at this stage of CN's Cowichan  Subdivision's history, actual ballast cars in the ballast spur !
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 15th, 2014, 3:58pm
That's neat to see. Do you know if that spur looped back to join the mainline with a west-facing switch? I've explored around that old ballast pit (now a parking lot for the Trans-Canada Trail), and it looks like it might have. There are still crossties scattered around in the bushes.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 15th, 2014, 8:58pm
on Dec 15th, 2014, 3:58pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That's neat to see. Do you know if that spur looped back to join the mainline with a west-facing switch? I've explored around that old ballast pit (now a parking lot for the Trans-Canada Trail), and it looks like it might have. There are still crossties scattered around in the bushes.

I don't think this was anything but a dead ended spur, but I could be wrong.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2014, 12:51am
July, 1988, Deerholme, mile 57.9, CNR Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Jamie Masters ]
When this photo was taken, it had been nearly four months since the last train had left Deerholme forever, on March 30, 1988. Shown here is the switch controlling the north leg of the wye.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2014, 12:56am
September, 1988, Deerholme, at former mile 57.9 of the CNR's Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Melancholy viewing for railfans, Deerholme is no more.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 29th, 2014, 1:17am
Employee Timetable, Cowichan Subdivision, September,27, 1953 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 29th, 2014, 1:20am
Employee timetable, CNR Tidewater Subdivision, September, 27, 1953 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 29th, 2014, 1:10pm
Jamie, in the Deerholme removal picture there look to be tank cars in the background beyond the old truck. Were these still on rails or cut up for scrap in place. Or do you know what did happen to them if indeed they are tank cars?  
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 29th, 2014, 3:27pm
on Dec 29th, 2014, 1:10pm, Dennis Dalla-Vicenza wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Jamie, in the Deerholme removal picture there look to be tank cars in the background beyond the old truck. Were these still on rails or cut up for scrap in place. Or do you know what did happen to them if indeed they are tank cars?  

Dennis, I think one was a oil car, the other was a water tanker. They were both left on short bits of trackage, and removed fairly soon after. I think the water car ended up displayed  somewhere, but I'm not sure exactly where.
 
Jamie
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jan 8th, 2015, 12:55am
Thanks for posting the Timetables Jamie they are very interesting.
The siding at Kaptara was where Kapoor Logging transferred logs to the CNR for shipment to Cowichan Bay, the Western Forest Industries spur at mile 75.1 was where they loaded poles from thier Meade Creek operations.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 19th, 2015, 12:40am
CNR employee timetable, October,25, 1959, [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
Cowichan Subdivision
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 19th, 2015, 12:42am
CNR Employee timetable, October, 25,1959 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 19th, 2015, 12:57am
CNR Employee timetable, April, 24, 1960 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
Cowichan Subdivision
 
Notice, no more Train 585 or 586,and trains start and finish their days at Deerholme.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 19th, 2015, 12:59am
CNR Employee timetable,April,24,1960 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 19th, 2015, 2:14pm
This is very informative stuff, seeing the various spurs and sidings appearing and disappearing over time. Thanks for posting these!
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2015, 1:25am
Thanks again for posting these timetables, i see in 1960 the wyes at Shawnigan and Chanlog are gone, i imagine with the steam locomotives phased out there is no need for so many wyes, any reason the Victoria train was based in Deerholme?
I have noticed when i have walked the grade the amount of concrete culverts and fill work that was done in the mid to late 1940's
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2015, 4:41pm
on Jan 23rd, 2015, 1:25am, hillbank wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks again for posting these timetables, i see in 1960 the wyes at Shawnigan and Chanlog are gone, i imagine with the steam locomotives phased out there is no need for so many wyes, any reason the Victoria train was based in Deerholme?
I have noticed when i have walked the grade the amount of concrete culverts and fill work that was done in the mid to late 1940's

I would think by this time in 1960, the CNR was already starting their gradual decline in service between Victoria and Deerholme. The diesels had no need of the roundhouse and shops in Victoria, probably not nearly as many crews required to run the trains as well. Also, trains on the Island were no longer dispatched out've the Point Ellice station, but rather, through the dispatching office in Kamloops.
Within another year, there were no more regularly scheduled trains on the Cowichan Sub except between Deerholme and Youbou and by September , !965, through trains between Victoria and Deerholme no longer ran. Kinda amazing how quickly the Cowichan Sub became a mere shadow of what it once was.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jan 24th, 2015, 12:54am
Yes the Cowichan Sub declined pretty fast. Elwood White told me when the logging companies started trucking stump to dump that pretty well finished it and also the Youbou mill started trucking venner to the plywood plant in Victoria instead of using rail, and with the barge slip at Cowichan Bay it made sense not to run into Victoria, One thing Elwood showed me was some photos he had of CN moving buildings and equipment from Tyup to Deerholme, this was when the conversion had been made to diesel and Tyup was phased out. one nice phot was of the train crossing the highway with buildings on flatcars. I hope those photos are in someones collection!
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 24th, 2015, 11:08pm
CN Employee Timetable, October 25th, 1964 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Cowichan Subdivision [note, only scheduled trains are between Deerholme and Youbou ]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 24th, 2015, 11:10pm
CN Employee Timetable, October 25th, 1964 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 25th, 2015, 12:51am
Interesting - so the crossing signals at Royal Roads were installed sometime between '60 and '64. I'm guessing the ones near Saseenos showed up around the same time. I wonder if there were ever plans to install them at the flagged crossings mentioned, before the Colquitz River bridge replacement stalled.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 25th, 2015, 1:22pm
on Jan 25th, 2015, 12:51am, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Interesting - so the crossing signals at Royal Roads were installed sometime between '60 and '64. I'm guessing the ones near Saseenos showed up around the same time. I wonder if there were ever plans to install them at the flagged crossings mentioned, before the Colquitz River bridge replacement stalled.

 
 
There were quite a few crossing signals ordered into use between 1960-64
From reading some RTC annual reports, I think the Kangaroo/Rocky Point crossing had lights installed in 1962, and I think at least one of the Atkins Road crossing received crossing signals at this same time.
Kind of ironic that safety became more of a priority for the Cowichan Sub, just when it was beginning to die.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 25th, 2015, 3:16pm
This is new and interesting news to me. The Kangaroo intersection makes sense - with the cut there, if a train was approaching the crossing from the south (geographic north, ie coming from Langford), motorists would have a hard time seeing it until it was right in the crossing. As for Atkins, the crossing on the hill and the one at Chilco Road both have simple crossbucks in the tourist train photos from '71 to '73 I've seen. So maybe it was the crossing in the dip right where Atkins left the Old Island Highway.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Jan 25th, 2015, 11:37pm
on Jan 25th, 2015, 1:22pm, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
There were quite a few crossing signals ordered into use between 1960-64
From reading some RTC annual reports, I think the Kangaroo/Rocky Point crossing had lights installed in 1962, and I think at least one of the Atkins Road crossing received crossing signals at this same time.
Kind of ironic that safety became more of a priority for the Cowichan Sub, just when it was beginning to die.

 
At the risk of going off topic, you should see how many crossing have been rebuilt (often upgrading from cross-bucks signals, sometimes including gates) south of View Royal...all over the last couple of years, with no rail traffic to speak of.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Jan 26th, 2015, 1:38pm
on Jan 19th, 2015, 12:57am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Notice, no more Train 585 or 586,and trains start and finish their days at Deerholme.

 
It may still have been a Victoria based train. There was a bunkhouse in Deerholme that a Victoria crew could have laid over in. It was probably scheduled that way to meet connections with the train from Youbou.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 26th, 2015, 4:18pm
On a related note, does anyone have pictures of the Luxton or Rocky Point at Kangaroo crossings with rails intact, or Sooke Road at Saseenos with crossing signals installed? The road grades at all of these crossings were changed significantly after the rails were removed - Luxton had a hump, Rocky Point had a dip, but they were both flattened sometime before the mid-eighties.
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Jan 26th, 2015, 10:24pm
on Dec 12th, 2014, 4:09am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is the CNR employee timetable from September, 1930, showing the Cowichan Subdivision [collection of Jamie Masters]  Note the passenger train running as Train 391 &392, it was gone by the summer of the following year. Note also the scheduled meet between the eastbound way freight and the westbound passenger train at Kapoor [35.5 ]

 
Thanks for posting this, Jamie . . . sorry I missed it last month. As previously noted, my dad worked at Kapoor in 1928 so this schedule is pretty rare showing the Kapoor mill station.
Thanks again
Bill
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Jan 27th, 2015, 11:37am
Jamie et al,
 
Are there maps available showing these locations?
I was near Lake Cowichan the other day and at the intersection of Mayo and Riverbottom I see what looks like an abandoned railway line turned trail but the signed trail from the old CP sub is at the other end of Mayo. Sure would be nice to know which tidbit of history we see in our travels.  
 
Dennis
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 27th, 2015, 1:59pm
Dennis - Yes, that's mile 67.26 of the CN Cowichan Sub. One of the SA Baines spurs was right around there, the other was near the Skutz Falls Road crossing (mile 67.64).  
 
For existing landmarks between Sooke Lake and Lake Cowichan: McGee Creek trestle was mile 46.9, Kinsol Trestle was mile 51.0, Holt Creek trestle was mile 59.7, mile marker 60 was weathered to illegibility but still stood as of 2008, there are remains of the Camscot logging operation and siding/spur to the south of the mainline at mile 63.5, there's an unnamed creek at mile 64.5, Marie Canyon at mile 66.2, the second Cowichan River trestle at mile 70.2, the Lake Cowichan siding was just east of Cowichan Road, and the old overpass of the E&N was mile 73.0 at which point I was no longer able to follow the grade.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Jan 27th, 2015, 5:10pm
TY
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Jan 27th, 2015, 11:33pm
Tom Paterson has published several books outlining all the original waypoints along both the CPR and CNR railways in Cowichan Valley -- both of which cross Mayo Road. We've cycled both the Trans Canada Trail (CNR) between Lake Cowichan and Duncan and the Cowichan Valley Trail (CPR) joining these two towns.
 
Here's a short video showing parts of the popular , Lake Cowichan/Mayo  Road 22km roundtrip loop.
 
P.S. Kinsol Trestle is at MP51.9 on the Trans Canada Trail
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 29th, 2015, 1:00am
Photo by Elwood White, [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
CNR Train 585 westbound over Selkirk trestle, led by the 2116 [running backwards before turning at the Wye at mile 1.6 Cowichan Sub
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jan 30th, 2015, 1:31am
great to see another one of Elwoods shots, Jamie do any of your timetables show a siding or spur for Stoltze Logging at mile 65, they were truck logging and had a reload there in 1944. you can still see some of the grade to this day.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 30th, 2015, 3:43am
on Jan 30th, 2015, 1:31am, hillbank wrote:       (Click here for original message)
great to see another one of Elwoods shots, Jamie do any of your timetables show a siding or spur for Stoltze Logging at mile 65, they were truck logging and had a reload there in 1944. you can still see some of the grade to this day.

The 1930 timetable shows a spur at mile 65 for the Windermere Lumber Company, connected at the east end and 10 cars in capacity.
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Jan 31st, 2015, 1:44am
Thanks Jamie, the Windermere Lumber Company had a tie mill there at that time.
In my collection of old maps i have one from 1942  revised in 1951 and it shows at that location (mile 65) a very long siding. also buildings a road that crosses the track then goes down and across the river. the road is still there and you cross it when traveling the old grade.
Virgil Stoltze (note spelling) had the contract to log a stand of timber that was owned by H. R Macmillan, Stoltz pool is a local landmark in the area.
Also Scottish Palmer had thier camp and logging railway there in the late 1920's and there is still alot of grades and camp remnants  including remains of the Shay that burnt up.
The B.C archives visual records  have several pics of Scottish palmer and Stoltze logging at this location.
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Feb 1st, 2015, 2:54am
Does anyone know when the Selkirk trestle was built for the railway?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 1st, 2015, 10:57am
I believe,1917 was the year of completion for the Selkirk trestle.on Feb 1st, 2015, 2:54am, anifan1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Does anyone know when the Selkirk trestle was built for the railway?

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2015, 12:28am
CNR Employee Timetable, October 31st, 1971 [Collection of Jamie Masters]
Cowichan Subdivision [note that movement between mile 2.4 & 6.9 is not permitted without written permission] [also, there is one remaining telephone operator on the Cowichan Sub, located in Youbou ]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2015, 12:33am
CNR Employee Timetable,October 31st, 1971 [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 4th, 2015, 2:21am
So the blanket speed limit drop from 20 mph to 10 has been narrowed to sometime between '72 and '79. The plot thickens...
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 6th, 2015, 6:11pm
on Feb 4th, 2015, 2:21am, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So the blanket speed limit drop from 20 mph to 10 has been narrowed to sometime between '72 and '79. The plot thickens...

Sorry Emily,I have no more timetables from the seventies other than this one
CN Employee Timetable April 29th,1973 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Cowichan Subdivision [Note, no movement is to proceed east of east siding switch Colwood, without Superintendent Transportation permission]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 6th, 2015, 6:13pm
CN Employee Timetable,April 29th,1973 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Tidewater Subdivision
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 6th, 2015, 6:18pm
CN Mountain Region Timetable - October 30th, 1988 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
Last, shrivelled vestige of the Cowichan Subdivision [Less than a year and a half
is left for CN's trackage on the Island ]
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 6th, 2015, 8:29pm
I'm guessing that order and the main track derail at MP7.9 was to keep CN and Victoria Pacific equipment from accidentally meeting. (The lack of a complete bridge over Colquitz Creek served as an effective derail in the opposite direction; MP2.3 is about 500 feet west of Tillicum Road.)
 
Interesting too that the MP 8.05 crossing needs to be flagged in '73 but not '71. Did they remove the crossing signals?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 6th, 2015, 8:45pm
on Feb 6th, 2015, 8:29pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm guessing that order and the main track derail at MP7.9 was to keep CN and Victoria Pacific equipment from accidentally meeting. (The lack of a complete bridge over Colquitz Creek served as an effective derail in the opposite direction; MP2.3 is about 500 feet west of Tillicum Road.)
 
Interesting too that the MP 8.05 crossing needs to be flagged in '73 but not '71. Did they remove the crossing signals?

Astute observations, your thought about the mile 8.05 crossing makes perfect sense.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 9th, 2015, 2:00am
Ahh, I knew your name was familiar - I was going through Mike Dunham-Wilkie's photos, and saw you'd responded to me a few times there, years ago. We were all debating when the last runs south of Leechtown were. So for sure the Kinsol and Grouse Nest trestles were embargoed sometime in '73 (presumably after April?), and RTC forced CN to repair the Kinsol trestle in '74 at great expense? I remember reading in archived Times Colonist microfiches years ago about limited repairs being done begrudgingly to other bridges around that time - 73 to 75 - to carry "limited traffic" south of Leechtown, but it seemed that CN was not at all keen to provide further service. I've been re-reading the archives in the downtown Vancouver library when I get the time, but it's slow going and I still haven't found those articles yet. Once they're located I'll post details and the publication date.
 
I also assume RTC has archives as well.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 9th, 2015, 5:26pm
on Feb 9th, 2015, 2:00am, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ahh, I knew your name was familiar - I was going through Mike Dunham-Wilkie's photos, and saw you'd responded to me a few times there, years ago. We were all debating when the last runs south of Leechtown were. So for sure the Kinsol and Grouse Nest trestles were embargoed sometime in '73 (presumably after April?), and RTC forced CN to repair the Kinsol trestle in '74 at great expense? I remember reading in archived Times Colonist microfiches years ago about limited repairs being done begrudgingly to other bridges around that time - 73 to 75 - to carry "limited traffic" south of Leechtown, but it seemed that CN was not at all keen to provide further service. I've been re-reading the archives in the downtown Vancouver library when I get the time, but it's slow going and I still haven't found those articles yet. Once they're located I'll post
 details and the publication date.
 
I also assume RTC has archives as well.

 
From my research, I'm pretty sure March,1973 was the last time movements south of Leechtown occurred.In 1974, the Kinsol trestle was repaired to the tune of 140,000 dollars, mainly because of the complaints from the R. Hughes Pole Company at Leechtown, but bridges east of Leechtown, including mile 21, didn't receive any repairs.
 
 I'm sure DND wanted to continue receiving shipments at Rocky Point,but they were hamstrung by being a Federal Government entity dealing with another Federal government entity. At the abandonment hearings in 1976, they weren't permitted to put in their two cents worth because of the same conflict.
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Feb 12th, 2015, 10:50pm
on Feb 1st, 2015, 10:57am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I believe,1917 was the year of completion for the Selkirk trestle.

Thanks Jamie_Masters.
 
Two questions, how did trains turn around at the Cowichan Bay dock and was there a double track where the old Town And Country Center (where the Uptown Center is) cause I have walked that part and noticed the path curve then straight then it curves back which makes me think that. You can also see it on google earth.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 12th, 2015, 11:35pm
There was (and still is, according to Google Earth) a long siding at the Cowichan dock, maybe 1500 feet, that allowed the engine to go around the train when loading and unloading the ferries. There was also another siding and a wye at Tyup, west of Cowichan Bay Road and Koksilah River and east of the Trans-Canada Highway overpass. The wye was where the giant sawdust pile is now.
 
At Town & Country, the east switch of the wye was between Culduthel Road and the Trans Canada, and both south and east legs of the wye crossed the highway. There was also a storage track as noted on the timetables, between the old Burnside Road crossing (at the Forestry Center) and Admirals Road. But since all the switches on the Saanich Spur faced north and the switches in Victoria (at least until Milnes Landing, afaik) faced west, the wayfreight servicing local spurs generally went out of the yard forwards and came back in reverse, cars first and engine at the back. This is seen on Hugh Fraser's "Last Runs On Vancouver Island" video.
Posted by: anifan1 Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 12:50am
I see, cool.
Posted by: vanislrailway Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 2:59am
I found a video someone posted on Youtube, I am posting the link below, its not my video.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfCCipPlBG0[url][/url]
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 3:11am
Here's a picture of Cowichan Bay from circa 2001. The tracks end(ed) just beyond that broom thicket, but I heard rumours that up until the mid 90s they were still in place as far as Tyup, in the hopes folks with track speeders could do something like the Sooke River Railway after it folded. Can anyone confirm this?
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 3:12am
One more picture from 2001. The switch stand is gone but the switch is still there.  
 
I wonder why a mower had recently gone over the tracks in the video?
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 12:18pm
I can understand from a business perspective why CN wanted to get rid of the Cowichan Sub. Look at the size of the 585/586 in the 50's, average train length was about 12 to 15 cars. With the Colquitz River, Millstream Creek and some other bridges failing inspections and needing major repairs, and the declining through traffic to Victoria there really wasn't going to be a return on any investment to upgrade the Cowichan Sub. As more of the tonnage was going off island or coming from the mainland any traffic out of the Cowichan Valley could just as easily go up the Tidewater Sub and traffic into Victoria could be barged directly in. Making that piece of track between WYE and DEERHOLME redundant.  
 
As the forestry industry collapsed in the 70's and 80's, Victoria lost a lot of industry, competition from trucks increased and the amount of work needed on the Cowichan Sub increased, there was no way CN could ever make the Cowichan Sub a profitable operation.  
 
Could a short line have operated it for a few moreyears? Maybe, but at the time selling branch lines off to short line operators wasn't happening. The line would have been shut down in 2001 anyway when the Youbou mill closed, instead of 1988.  
 
It's interesting to me that the E&N/SVI is having the exact same problems now that CN did near the end of the Cowichan Sub's life. The only thing saving the E&N is that possible grant money from the government.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Feb 13th, 2015, 3:55pm
Quote:
interesting to me that the E&N/SVI is having the exact same problems now that CN did near the end of the Cowichan Sub's life. The only thing saving the E&N is that possible grant money from the government.
Pretty much sums it up doesn't it? At least six other railroads have dropped from existence on the Island and yet we have the unwavering support from some that the government should pee more money into an entity that has already been doomed to die. There is no practical purpose to the E & N other than as a potential tourist run and yet those proposing the line saved, are those in charge of saving it  are these same people were the ones who killed the railroad by damning the activities of potentials saviours of the line.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 14th, 2015, 4:38pm
The 60-pound rail on most if not all of the Cowichan Sub, and the subsequent low speeds and difficulty in handling cars over 90 tons, also didn't help things. Here's a visual reference from the Snoqualmie Railroad in Washington, as to the size difference between 56 and 100 pound rail.
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Feb 15th, 2015, 1:51am
That first picture Emily posted of Cowichan Bay is where Top Shelf used to unload some cars( see my reply # 280)
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Feb 15th, 2015, 1:59am
Page 175 of Vancouver Island railroads, 70 Carloads from Youbou in 1986 compared to 300 a few years before. The picture of the last train shows the part loaded cars which were topped off at Cowichan Bay.
Cowichan Bay (Westcan Terminals) used to ship more cars than Youbou for awhile, it was common to see a CN unit from Deerholme run light to the bay to switch the barge and terminal.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Feb 25th, 2015, 10:21pm
1003 in Victoria. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3940022
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Feb 26th, 2015, 2:13pm
1003 at Deerholme
Posted by: tfctrains Posted on: Feb 26th, 2015, 4:49pm
on Feb 26th, 2015, 2:13pm, cn2220 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
1003 at Deerholme

Is that a new name for Deerholme?
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Feb 27th, 2015, 11:16pm
Still love that old original diesel paint scheme the best.
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2015, 3:01am
on Feb 26th, 2015, 4:49pm, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Is that a new name for Deerholme?

 
More of a someone-forgot-the-actual name.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Apr 19th, 2015, 5:42am
Stumbled across this great photo from May 31st, 1965, taken by Peter Cox
at Deerholme.
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cnr_diesel/GMD1.htm
Posted by: hillbank Posted on: Aug 3rd, 2015, 1:55am
I was out on the CNR line today and showed some friends the Wye at 48.1 they asked when it was put in and i cannot say for sure other than it appears on the 1943 timetable, does anyone know when it was put in? was it the same time when Kaptara siding went in?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 11th, 2015, 12:34pm
February, 1957, Point Ellice Yard [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
The switcher 7391, at work in the yard at Victoria. Up on the team tracks, the daily westbound freight has been assembled and awaits departure, bound for Deerholme.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 18th, 2015, 1:08am
Jamie, where would the Gorge Trestle be in relation to this picture, please?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 18th, 2015, 3:02am
on Dec 18th, 2015, 1:08am, Dennis Dalla-Vicenza wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Jamie, where would the Gorge Trestle be in relation to this picture, please?

 Dennis, the photographer would have been standing with the Bay Street Bridge at his back , looking north up the yard, with the trestle just out've sight.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 18th, 2015, 3:03pm
Thanks Jamie. The condo I used to live in would have been right over the water tower in the picture. Too bad the then government was in such a hurry to pull the tracks off the Goose and Lochside routes.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 9th, 2016, 5:38pm
Found an amazing archive of BC railway photos taken by a Mr David Davies.
 
This is rare photo of a boxcar at Milnes Landing , mile 26.2 CNR Cowichan Sub, from October, 1969. Plenty more like it !
http://search.nbca.unbc.ca/index.php/cnr-vancouver-island-3
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 21st, 2016, 2:19am
9.30 am, April 19, 1989, Interchange track, Vic West [ photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
GMD1 1070 taking boxcar back to Point Ellice Yard for unloading. This was the last load  
other than grain cars, that I observed CN handling in Victoria, before they left for good in February of 1990.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 21st, 2016, 2:31am
February 22, 1989, Point Ellice Yard,  Victoria BC [photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
GMD1 1000 pushing three empty boxcars towards interchange. They had been spotted in the upper yard on the team tracks. Two days later, the last boxcar was removed from the team tracks, and the rails in the upper yard were soon after removed.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 1:49am
on Jan 9th, 2016, 5:38pm, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Found an amazing archive of BC railway photos taken by a Mr David Davies.
 
This is rare photo of a boxcar at Milnes Landing , mile 26.2 CNR Cowichan Sub, from October, 1969. Plenty more like it !
http://search.nbca.unbc.ca/index.php/cnr-vancouver-island-3

 
This is an amazing goldmine of locations and dates of CN's presence on the island, both before and after abandonment.
 
I'd like to draw your attention to photo number 15 - http://search.nbca.unbc.ca/uploads/r/northern-bc-archives-special-collections/f/4/d/f4da964fc4b273282c85cae1a0aff0429f445214caae5854536933e7d24338d6/2013_6_36_1_044_15.jpg - taken in Metchosin near the corner of Rocky Point and Kangaroo Roads in August 1979. Note the switch points. The curve of the track and the open-ness of the area doesn't seem to match up with the swampy space between Morland and Walpole Road where the siding at milepost 14.8 was supposedly located, which I've never been able to figure out. It DOES however seem to match up with the far side of Rocky Point Road opposite Kangaroo Road, where the right-of-way is unusually wide. It would appear the Metchosin siding was slightly further west than the timetable would indicate
 
Also note the shots of the Gillespie Road overpass from above in September '71 (picture 18 ) and from below in June '83 (picture 9 ). Sometime after abandonment but prior to removal, either CNR or the highways department converted the vertical clearance sign to metric.
 
And it looks like the line between Deerholme and Leechtown was reactivated for a few years from the beginning of May 1975 until 1979, after being shut down in spring 1973.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 3:25am
Check this out, regarding CNR activities on the Island circa 1975 [pages 30 & 31 ]
http://www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no286_1975.pdf
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 2:24pm
The previous issue (number 285, approximately April 1975) makes note of three discontinuous segments of CN track in the first ten miles of the Cowichan Sub, due to four road construction projects, one of which stranded the Victoria Pacific tourist train equipment. My theory for two of these projects are the completion of Pickford Road between Mount View and Marlene, and the striking by a delivery truck of the Helmcken Road overpass and its subsequent dismantlement circa 1974. Prior to this, Victoria Pacific would not run any further east than just before Helmcken due to poor track conditions.  
 
There was also a culvert removed near the present-day intersection of Kelly Road and Veterans Memorial Parkway, but I wouldn't count this as "road construction" since Kelly Road wasn't connected to Jacklin until the construction of Canwest Mall in 1983 or 1984. McKenzie wasn't pushed through to the Trans Canada Highway until the early eighties either.
 
So I wonder what the other road construction projects were? The article also mentions two collapsed bridges further up the line - which ones?
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 6:30pm
Emilydm , this aerial shot from 1976 shows the removed culvert you mentioned as well as the antrobus poleyard and former ballast pits and spur.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 6:40pm
I really can't think of any collapsed bridges in this time period, after all, trains were running all the way to Colwood until March of 1973, when a number of bridges were declared unsafe for freight traffic. While they may have been unsafe for freight trains, they weren't at the point of outright collapse. I do know the culvert just east of the south siding switch at Leechtown, washed out somewhere in 1974, and was never replaced. on Feb 23rd, 2016, 2:24pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The previous issue (number 285, approximately April 1975) makes note of three discontinuous segments of CN track in the first ten miles of the Cowichan Sub, due to four road construction projects, one of which stranded the Victoria Pacific tourist train equipment. My theory for two of these projects are the completion of Pickford Road between Mount View and Marlene, and the striking by a delivery truck of the Helmcken Road overpass and its subsequent dismantlement circa 1974. Prior to this, Victoria Pacific would not run any further east than just before Helmcken due to poor track conditions.  
 
There was also a culvert removed near the present-day intersection of Kelly Road and Veterans Memorial Parkway, but I wouldn't count this as "road construction" since Kelly Road wasn't connected to Jacklin until the construction of Canwest Mall in 1983 or 1984. McKenzie wasn't pushed through to the Trans Canada Highway until the early eighties either.
 
So I wonder what the other road construction projects were? The article also mentions two collapsed bridges further up the line - which ones?

Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Feb 24th, 2016, 10:01pm
on Feb 21st, 2016, 2:31am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
February 22, 1989, Point Ellice Yard,  Victoria BC [photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
GMD1 1000 pushing three empty boxcars towards interchange. They had been spotted in the upper yard on the team tracks. Two days later, the last boxcar was removed from the team tracks, and the rails in the upper yard were soon after removed.

 
Great picture Jamie.
 
I remember this view from the Bay Street bridge, though I was still pretty young at that time. It looks like the barge slip lead in the foreground has been torn up. I do recall seeing the barge slip on the other side.
 
Was the plywood mill (I think that's what it was) just on the other side of the Selkirk trestle still around/shipping/receiving?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 25th, 2016, 12:17am
Thanks for the kind words.  
 
  By this time, there was no more rail shipping from the mill, and the mill's days were numbered as well.on Feb 24th, 2016, 10:01pm, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Great picture Jamie.
 
I remember this view from the Bay Street bridge, though I was still pretty young at that time. It looks like the barge slip lead in the foreground has been torn up. I do recall seeing the barge slip on the other side.
 
Was the plywood mill (I think that's what it was) just on the other side of the Selkirk trestle still around/shipping/receiving?

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 25th, 2016, 12:52am
February 19, 1990  CN's Point Ellice Yard [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Twenty six years ago, the last CN activity on Vancouver Island was taking place.
 
GMD1 1070 is backing out of the engine track, and soon heading over to the  
interchange with CP, where it will be taken and hooked up to the northbound E&N freight, and end seventy five years of CNR presence in Victoria and the Island.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 1:51am
There is a certain pathos to that photo, Jamie...thanks for sharing.  
Any more of this day?
And do we have any of the GMD1 on the CP train?
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 10:33am
Mike Wilkie has photos of this that his dad shot. Its on his flikr account, I believe....or it might have been of the 1000 leaving,not the 1070.  Anyhow  Heres a link to the e&n folder of it.   https://www.flickr.com/photos/msdwilkie/albums/72157625910165407
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 11:54am
I'm enjoying these pics, Jamie, and the conversation--thanks for sharing.  I'm intrigued by your comment about the Leechtown culvert.  
Quote:
I do know the culvert just east of the south siding switch at Leechtown, washed out somewhere in 1974, and was never replaced.

I was up there a lot with the UVic Railway Club in the early 1980s, and we quite often ran up to and beyond Leechtown.  The tracks were certainly passable for our small speeders, and, honestly, I don't remember anything washed out there, although the roadbed may have been undermined or compromised without that being readily apparent from the track.  Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 1:40pm
 February 19, 1990 [Photo by Jamie Masters ]  Pathos is a great way to put it, the grey February morning added to that feeling. I have posted some other photos of this day in this CN thread, but I'll add some more.on Feb 26th, 2016, 1:51am, CPRail4744 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There is a certain pathos to that photo, Jamie...thanks for sharing.  
Any more of this day?
And do we have any of the GMD1 on the CP train?

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 1:47pm
I'm thinking maybe my memory could be wrong, and the culvert was repaired, because I do remember walking up there with friends on a camping trip in the summer of 79, and when I think of it, a washed out culvert near Leechtown isn't part of my memories.on Feb 26th, 2016, 11:54am, Dayliner wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm enjoying these pics, Jamie, and the conversation--thanks for sharing.  I'm intrigued by your comment about the Leechtown culvert.  
I was up there a lot with the UVic Railway Club in the early 1980s, and we quite often ran up to and beyond Leechtown.  The tracks were certainly passable for our small speeders, and, honestly, I don't remember anything washed out there, although the roadbed may have been undermined or compromised without that being readily apparent from the track.  Or is my memory playing tricks on me?

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 1:59pm
February 19, 1990, E&N yard, Vic West  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
CP 6701 switcher bringing GMD1 1070 into the yard. The last CN engine on the Island
would be placed into a northbound freight leaving that morning. Seventy five years of
CNR history in Victoria, was now a thing of the past.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 8:12pm
Thanks, Jamie and Torch.
I never cease to be amazed at the expanse of the Wilkie collection!
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 26th, 2016, 11:37pm
To add to the observations of CN's removal from victoria Borden Mercantile continued to be 'rail served' for a short time after.  A portable auger was set up in the vic west yard on the passing track and hoppers were unloaded to truck there for transfer to Bordens. Actually you can see the auger in the photo that Jamie posted of the GMD in the consist preparing to leave! I recall seeing hoppers being unloaded at that spot. Anyone else?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 12:13am
January 7, 1990, Victoria  [photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Here you go,Torch, a Borden Mercantile truck unloading a grain car in the yard in Vic West. This only went on for another month and a bit.
            [ quote author=torch link=board=Vancouver;num=1077604803;start=440#456 date=02/26/16 at 23:37:34]To add to the observations of CN's removal from victoria Borden Mercantile continued to be 'rail served' for a short time after.  A portable auger was set up in the vic west yard on the passing track and hoppers were unloaded to truck there for transfer to Bordens. Actually you can see the auger in the photo that Jamie posted of the GMD in the consist preparing to leave! I recall seeing hoppers being unloaded at that spot. Anyone else? [/quote]
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 3:26am
I'd just like to say for the record how much it broke my heart going out to Milnes' Landing in June 1994 to find the rails ripped out and lying alongside the ties. I knew Sooke River Railway's lease was up and the push was on to complete the Galloping Goose out to Leechtown for cyclists and pedestrians, but that was still an end of an era. I still kick myself for not going on a speeder ride like I'd always wanted to when I first discovered that remaining section of track in the mid-eighties.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 3:37am
Great photo,Jamie.. and sad also. I always thought back in the 80s that CN would stick around. Many of us did considering that even in the mid 80s  CN's traffic level seemed comparable to the e&n at time.  Never did find out what sort of products were transloaded from boxcars in the upper yard at pt Ellice.
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 12:44pm
Quote:
I always thought back in the 80s that CN would stick around. Many of us did considering that even in the mid 80s  CN's traffic level seemed comparable to the e&n at time.

So true, torch. What none of us could foresee at the time were the eventual effects of de-regulation of the railway industry and long-term shifts in the Island's economy.  Heavy industry moved away from Victoria and the other customers found it cheaper and more efficient to ship by truck.  But those really were just the final nails in the coffin.  The railway industry on the Island had been in decline since the 1960s.  Back in the 1970s, everyone jumped all over CP Rail and painted them as the bad guys because of the way they ran the Dayliner, but we never really appreciated how hard they were working to maintain railway service to their customers in the face of economic trends that were beyond their control.  It was a similar story, I'm sure, for CN on the Island.  For better or worse, the Island's economy and Victoria's economy have moved on.  As a result, Victoria seems like such a sanitized place compared to what it was in the 60s and 70s, somehow less real and lacking the grit and character that made it such an interesting place to grow up in.  Whenever I visit these days, I feel like I've arrived in something that is a cross between a giant retirement home and an environmental Disneyland.  
 
Oh well, end of nostalgic rant.  I will now turn off grumpy old man mode!
 
Quote:
I'm thinking maybe my memory could be wrong, and the culvert was repaired, because I do remember walking up there with friends on a camping trip in the summer of 79, and when I think of it, a washed out culvert near Leechtown isn't part of my memories.

Thanks Jamie, for that confirmation.  I do know that CN was actively maintaining the line to Leechtown right up to the end.  When we were running there, we would see brand new ties along the right of way, date-stamped 1979.  They would have had to have fixed the washout in order to run the power round the train whenever they came down to Leechtown.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 12:45pm
May 19, 1991, mile 27.8 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
A sad sight indeed, the rails being readied for removal by the Sooke River Railway. on Feb 27th, 2016, 3:26am, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'd just like to say for the record how much it broke my heart going out to Milnes' Landing in June 1994 to find the rails ripped out and lying alongside the ties. I knew Sooke River Railway's lease was up and the push was on to complete the Galloping Goose out to Leechtown for cyclists and pedestrians, but that was still an end of an era. I still kick myself for not going on a speeder ride like I'd always wanted to when I first discovered that remaining section of track in the mid-eighties.

Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Feb 27th, 2016, 12:47pm
Sad indeed--used to have so much fun up there!
Posted by: cycledude Posted on: Feb 28th, 2016, 7:27pm
Another masterful photo, Jamie. MP27.8 is approximately at the 46km marker along the Galloping Goose Trail today.
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Feb 28th, 2016, 8:03pm
"...A cross between a giant retirement home and an environmental Disneyland"
 
Dayliner, you win the "quote of the year" award.   Could not have said it better myself.
 
Jamie, I hope you don't mind me hijacking your photo and playing with it a little bit.
I can take it down if you would rather.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 28th, 2016, 9:44pm
No problem Matt, the 'End of Days' look, suits the photo very well
Posted by: Dayliner Posted on: Feb 29th, 2016, 10:18pm
Quote:
Dayliner, you win the "quote of the year" award.   Could not have said it better myself.

 
It may be a little premature to hand out that "quote of the year award"--we're only at the end of February!  But I appreciate the nomination!
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 16th, 2016, 1:06am
January 5, 1990, CN's Saanich Spur  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
The CNR brakeman is preparing to couple onto the last grain cars ever shipped  
to Borden Mercantile's feed mill in Saanich. The empties will be taken back to the CP/CN
interchange, and service on the last remaining CN Island trackage, is done forever.
[ BTW, those are CHEK TV cameramen who were recording some of the action during the last run ]
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Jul 20th, 2016, 1:27am
Hi Jamie et al
With the trains to and from Victoria operating essentially as a turn out of Deerholme beginning on April 24 1960, did CN still maintain a switcher at Point Ellice in addition to the road engine operating between Deerholme and Victoria?  (I am not sure if 74 was still there in 1960? There wasn't a lot of time allowed in Victoria on the ETT, and local industries and the Canora still needed to be switched.)   Was the roundhouse gone by April 24, 1960? Does anyone have any photos from 1960? Thanks for any help on this. Al Lill
 
on Jan 19th, 2015, 12:57am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
CNR Employee timetable, April, 24, 1960 [Collection of Jamie Masters ]
Cowichan Subdivision
 
Notice, no more Train 585 or 586,and trains start and finish their days at Deerholme.

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jul 24th, 2016, 1:06pm
Hi, Al,
The roundhouse and shops were torn down Dec 19th, 1962. Those small General Electric switchers were still working in Victoria in the early sixties. After that, larger switchers took over the job, lots of local switching to be done in the yard or Ogden Point, or the trackage leading out to mile 1.6 and the Saanich Spur. Victoria City Archives have some interesting photos from 1960, showing Point Ellice Yard trackage.  
 
   Jamie  
 
        quote author=alanlill link=board=Vancouver;num=1077604803;start=460#468 date=07/20/16 at 01:27:56]Hi Jamie et al
With the trains to and from Victoria operating essentially as a turn out of Deerholme beginning on April 24 1960, did CN still maintain a switcher at Point Ellice in addition to the road engine operating between Deerholme and Victoria?  (I am not sure if 74 was still there in 1960? There wasn't a lot of time allowed in Victoria on the ETT, and local industries and the Canora still needed to be switched.)   Was the roundhouse gone by April 24, 1960? Does anyone have any photos from 1960? Thanks for any help on this. Al Lill
 
[/quote]
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Jul 24th, 2016, 5:56pm
Thanks for the info Jamie. Since I posted I did find a picture of the 80 ton CNR 74 switching at Victoria in May 1960. It had the round CNR monogram by then.  
 
I got the emails below about industrial switching a few years later But I would like to know what the industry names were circa 1950 to 1960 for Kingham Coal and Oil,  MacDonald Bakery MP 1.75, Johnston Terminals (Heany?), Winery on PB Spur, Borden Mercantile and whether any other industries existed back then on CN between Point Ellice and E and N interchange (e.g a scrap yard and propane dealer.) The cedar shake mill next to ferry slip shows in a 1954 aerial photo but what was it called back then? (Smith in 1970s)
 
I would like this info for both personal modelling and for an upcoming article in CN LINES. I have yard plans, plans for roundhouse and plans for ferry slip and would also like to get a plan of the draw span over Selkirk waterway.  
 
The earliest photos that I ever took were in 1970 so the ones on this site have been very helpful along with others I have got previously.  
 
Thanks for any help!  Cheers Al Lill
 
Point Ellice Notes from Leslie
                    Try to relate what I can remember of my switching days at Pt. Ellice yard. I worked there on a relief basis from 1973 to the early 80,s.   The job was monday to friday 0700 start.  Smith Cedar products had two spurs, one for shakes and one for shingles.  They preferred the 40 ft double door autos, some with green doors for loading.  I do recall spotting a UP empty that came from CP that came from Island tug and barge that came from Seattle.   Up that way towards the CP interchange was a scrapyard, outbound gondoal loads of scrap, a propane unloading spur, and a spur for Allan Paper stock, outbound loads of baled cardboard.  This was possibly the last new spur built for a customer in Victoria.  Kingham Gillespie were coal merchants who had a yard on the high line.  They had a single spur with a pit for cross hoppers and a platform for class D boxes of large lump coal.  Coal came from some where in Alberta.  The BCFP mill shipped dimension timbers and double dressed lumber, timbers on 50 ft flats, lumber in 40 ft boxes, this business was split between CN and CP.  The plywood plant had two spurs, one for outbound plywood, and the other for inbound veneer.  The veneer used to come from Youbou but had gone to trucks by my time.  The plywood business seemed to be exclusively CN.  They preferred better quality boxes, some with plugdoors and often 50 ft.  Alpha st had a spur that customers occasionally use for unloading boxes.  Next up was Johnston Terminals that took inbound lcl loads that I am told was from CN, some times as many as four or five a day.  The place that took loads of flour was I believe called Ellison Flour and Feed.  These loads were in pressure unloading tank cars.  Last up on the Lake Hill spur was Borden Mercantile,  they received inbound feed grain etc. in goverment hoppers, probably boxcars before that.  Also there on Quadra st was Growers Winery.  They no longer used rail in my time but did at receive in bottles by CP cars and outbound CN reefers of presumably wine.                                  Another CN customer was Victoria Plywood in Esquimalt on the Eand N.  They would order in 40 ft boxes for loading.  Interchanged to CP, then loaded, then loaded, then back to CN for outbound movement.                            Operations in the 70,s usually a daily barge arrive from Tilbury via Ogden Point at around 1000.   Unload and reload by noon then any late spots and pulls, finish by 1300.  The barge sometimes stopped at Ogden pt on the way out as well.  The ship was always the Seaspan Greg formally the Greg Yorke, supplemented by barges 109,107.            We discussed the Rocky point business.  This was ammunition for DND both in and out.  Discussion with Victoria friends mention an A frame at Metchosin Siding, log loading?.  A car observed being loaded at Saseenos with shakes.  Sooke Forest Products did not seem to do business with CN at least not in Sooke.  They did truck lumber to Ogden Pt. though.  Hope this helps with your research and good luck with your article.                          Regards, Leslie
 
Hi Al
 
Yes, this is great stuff!
 
I'm able to confirm a few things from my own sources and everything he says about those items is right on.
 
I used to enjoy watching operations at that scrap yard in the early 60s, the highlight for me of family visits from Comox to the Princess Mary Restaurant. They loaded the gondolas there with an electromagnetic crane.
 
The coal dealer was a source of heat for me for a number of years. They had boards of some kind of white wood (maybe cottonwood?) that they gave to me to get rid of them. These had been used to close up the doorways of boxcars carrying lump coal and were fairly black and impregnated with coal dust. Burned nice and hot in my little airtight wood stove!
 
Johnston Terminals was known in my youth as Heaney's Transport or something like that. They seemed to be the biggest moving and transfer outfit in town, and their slogan, "Big or teeny, just call Heaney!" was seen all around, including painted on older brick buildings.
 
In 1970 I worked as field supervisor on a loganberry farm that supplied the winery on Quadra Street. I loaded 45 gal drums of berries onto trucks at the farm, and they were taken to the winery. The father of a high school friend was the manager of the winery so I got to see a bit of that end of the operation from a different perspective! I remember it as St Michel Wines but that may have been the company my friend's dad worked for rather than the name of that particular facility.
 
I remember seeing rail cars and big vessels (tanks) at the VMD plant on Bay Street. Their ground level was well below Bay Street and I always assumed they had barge service for railcars but never saw it happen. I wonder if Leslie means that the cars were prepared at Pt Ellice and then barged across the harbour to VMD? If so I wonder whether this was a stop on the run to Tilbury or whether a local barge was used?
 
His description of the route and sequence for the Greg Yorke agrees with what we found during the research for the Ogden Point article. He is also in agreement with that research where he mentions lumber being trucked from Sooke Forest Products to Ogden Point.
 
Hope that's helpful
Doug
 
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jul 25th, 2016, 1:14am
Great stuff from Leslie and Doug , Al, just love that kind of info about the CN's  
activities around Victoria in the Sixties and Seventies. Amazing how much rail activity  
went on in Victoria in those days.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Nov 27th, 2016, 12:20pm
Jan 5, 1990, CN's Saanich Spur [Photo by Jamie Masters]
 
With Mt Doug in the background, the brakeman has lined the switch for the CN GMD1 1070 to pick up the last two empties from Borden Mercantile's feed mill. With this last revenue move, CN's 75 year history on the Island has almost come to an end.
Posted by: Lfire83 Posted on: Nov 27th, 2016, 7:39pm
Great thread, love the old GMD-1s and industrial spur action. I remember back around 2008 or so I had a call out to Ontario working for a railroad contractor and on the way through Sault Ste Marie saw what I thought at the time had to be a custom build CN locomotive. Turned out it was the first and only GMD-1 I've ever seen.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Nov 30th, 2016, 12:26am
Has anyone got a shot of the end-of-track past Borden's? I'm curious how close to McKenzie the tracks went toward the end of service. I did see I pic of a gondola load of metal (probably in this thread somewhere) with a view over to what is now the Saanich Municiple Yard, so the track must have come close to McKenzie. And of course there had to be room for a loco and what, 2 hoppers max?
 
Thanks,
AP
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Nov 30th, 2016, 11:22pm
From this picture from a photographic essay of the line on a thread elsewhere on this board (which I'm unable to find), plus extrapolation from Google Earth: the line appears to have gone about 440 feet past the Borden switch, about 170 feet shy of McKenzie. The Borden spur itself looks to have been at least 170 feet long, possibly as long as 300 feet, enough to fit at least three or as many as five cars. (It went up to what is now the Bottle Depot, and judging from the loading doors in the back it may have paralleled its entire length - iirc that used to be the original Borden Mercantile building.)
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 1st, 2016, 8:39pm
on Nov 30th, 2016, 11:22pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
From this picture from a photographic essay of the line on a thread elsewhere on this board (which I'm unable to find), plus extrapolation from Google Earth: the line appears to have gone about 440 feet past the Borden switch, about 170 feet shy of McKenzie. The Borden spur itself looks to have been at least 170 feet long, possibly as long as 300 feet, enough to fit at least three or as many as five cars. (It went up to what is now the Bottle Depot, and judging from the loading doors in the back it may have paralleled its entire length - iirc that used to be the original Borden Mercantile building.)

The CNR ran all the way out to Sidney and also to behind the current airport at Patricia Bay. As an aside if you look at the CNR system map in the two peninsulas you will see the area I feel would be a great commuter route for the start of a rail commute from Sidney and Sooke in to Victoria. Run the train through about 100,000 people or through maybe 40,000 people with a mountain in between and guess which will produce more bums in seats.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2016, 1:07am
on Nov 30th, 2016, 11:22pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
From this picture from a photographic essay of the line on a thread elsewhere on this board (which I'm unable to find), plus extrapolation from Google Earth: the line appears to have gone about 440 feet past the Borden switch, about 170 feet shy of McKenzie. The Borden spur itself looks to have been at least 170 feet long, possibly as long as 300 feet, enough to fit at least three or as many as five cars. (It went up to what is now the Bottle Depot, and judging from the loading doors in the back it may have paralleled its entire length - iirc that used to be the original Borden Mercantile building.)

 
Wow that's some great information Emily, thanks!
 
I've never seen any good images of the Borden's spur, and assumed it was much shorter and just curved around the raised platform on the inside of the curve. I didn't realize it extended behind the bottle depot; I'll have to poke around back there when I get the chance.
 
Now someone needs to produce good picks of the spur.  
 
 
Denis, what year is that map from? It doesn't show the E&N Lake Cowichan sub...and was that bit of track leading into Sidney built by the V&S? And added to the CN system when the V&S disappeared?
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2016, 12:55pm
I have no idea when that map was drawn. It was something I had on my computer. But it does say "CNR Map" so the lake Cow Sub may have been purposely left off.  
 
The V & S still lives on in Central Saanich as Vananess Rd.  
 
The old Interurban Line is still in use as a trail that follows Central Saanich Rd.  
<https://www.google.ca/maps/@48.5205888,-123.4267806,516m/data=!3m1!1e3>
You may have to cut and paste the whole thing into your browser.  
 
There are lots of possibilities for commuter rail in the CRD if people quit pushing the old E & N route.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2016, 11:46pm
I did some research and math, and a GMD1 (55 feet) and six grain hoppers (58 feet each between couplers, three pulled off the spur and three ready to spot) is 403 feet, giving them 37 feet of wiggle room, give or take. If they needed any more than that, they'd have to do some creative car juggling, pulling empties out one or two at a time.
 
From the same thread, here's the only clear picture of the spur that was posted.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Dec 2nd, 2016, 11:54pm
I believe that map is from Robert Turners book "Vancouver Island Railroads".  His initials are on the lower right.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 11:41am
Great photo Emily, that concrete dock with the stack of pallets on it was the one I was thinking of. I don't think I've seen that photo before! You figure it is in a thread in the Vancouver Island section?
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 2:57pm
Hi all,
 
I've just bumped up my thread of CN Victoria Track Photos which is a complete set of photos of the line from the interchange to the end of the line at Borden Mercantile taken by me in the 1980's. The 2 photos shown are part of the set.  
 
Dave
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2016, 6:22pm
Thanks Dave! Both for bumping the thread and thinking to take the photos in the first place. Posted 2007, no wonder I was having a hard time finding it again.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 4th, 2016, 7:52pm
Jan 5, 1990 [Photo by Jamie Masters]
 
Taken from the engineer's viewpoint, CN GMD1 1070 has just about finished crossing the  
Selkirk Trestle for the last time, heading back to Point Ellice with two empty grain hoppers.
Posted by: Aaron Lypkie Posted on: Dec 7th, 2016, 2:16pm
Nice picture Jamie!
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Dec 8th, 2016, 3:09pm
on Dec 2nd, 2016, 11:46pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I did some research and math, and a GMD1 (55 feet) and six grain hoppers (58 feet each between couplers, three pulled off the spur and three ready to spot) is 403 feet, giving them 37 feet of wiggle room, give or take. If they needed any more than that, they'd have to do some creative car juggling, pulling empties out one or two at a time.

 
Creative switching was something that they did back then. Gravity drops, flying switches, etc.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 9th, 2016, 12:07pm
Snow and steam from January 1956, mile 28.4, Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Elwood White, Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
A short westbound train 585, led by the 2141, has just crossed the Todd Creek trestle, Deerholme bound through the Sooke Hills.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 9th, 2016, 12:19pm
Snow and Steam, January 1956, mile 28 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, Collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
The 2141 is leading Train 585 westbound over the Todd Creek trestle on a beautiful winter's day in the Sooke hills.
Posted by: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Posted on: Dec 9th, 2016, 2:45pm
Jamie, thanks for the study of steam in the mountains. Not your typical railfan pictures with engine closeups. Nice to see the immensity of the Island railroading projects from lineside.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Dec 9th, 2016, 3:33pm
Thanks Dennis. That was the beauty of guys like Elwood White or Dave Wilkie, they wanted to capture the terrain and countryside as well as the trains themselves. It made for much more interesting photos and memories.on Dec 9th, 2016, 2:45pm, Dennis Dalla-Vicenza wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Jamie, thanks for the study of steam in the mountains. Not your typical railfan pictures with engine closeups. Nice to see the immensity of the Island railroading projects from lineside.

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 10th, 2017, 1:16am
April, 1988, Mile 27, Cowichan Subdivision  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Sooke River Railway speeder westbound over the Charters River bridge.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 13th, 2017, 1:04pm
April, 1988, approximately mile 27.9, Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Walking the tracks through the Sooke Hills, telegraph/telephone poles still in evidence along this section. Likely had been fifteen years since the last CN freight slowly ambled along this beautiful part of the old Cowichan sub.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 13th, 2017, 3:39pm
July, 1988  Deerholme, mile 57, Cowichan Subdivision  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Looking westbound up the old Deerholme yard, an oil tender and toolshed and handcar shed in the foreground, the section house and station in the distance [east end of wye heading past the nearest telephone pole]. In another two months, the trackage had been completely removed.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 14th, 2017, 10:22pm
Winter, 1956, mile 73 Cowichan subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Extra 2120 east is Deerholme bound with carloads of lumber, passing the siding at mile 73 in the town of Lake Cowichan.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 15th, 2017, 10:02pm
January 1956, mile 28.4 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
The 2141 leading Train 585, has just passed over the Tod Creek trestle, and is westbound through the Sooke Hills, heading for Deerholme thirty miles distant.
[There is a water mark on the photo]
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 15th, 2017, 10:16pm
Summer, 1955, CNR Point Ellice Yard  [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Track repair ongoing in the yard.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Jan 15th, 2017, 11:51pm
Great pictures Jamie, thanks for sharing.
 
Please don't stop, I'm sure there are many benefiting from continued posts on the forum, just not a heck of a lot of comments or discussion.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 16th, 2017, 7:17pm
on Jan 15th, 2017, 11:51pm, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great pictures Jamie, thanks for sharing.
 
Please don't stop, I'm sure there are many benefiting from continued posts on the forum, just not a heck of a lot of comments or discussion.

 
Thanks very much, Minion11. It's my pleasure to share what I have collected over the years. And don't worry, I'll have more to share.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Jan 16th, 2017, 7:34pm
I'll second Minion11's comments. Please continue to post these Jamie as they are of great historical value.
 
Dave
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Jan 16th, 2017, 11:34pm
It is great to see more of Elwood White's pictures so Thanks Jamie and also thanks to Dave for reposting his tour of the line from Point Ellice west near the end of service. I have been continuing to assemble material for a Point Ellice in CN LINES and the latest tidbit I have for discussion on this thread is one of the scans made by Les Kozma of the 1936 record plan of trackage in Victoria. Les did not scan a continuous set but did cover the wye at MP 1.6 Cowichan Sub and Point Ellice yard and most of the track to the E and N interchange including the small yard next to Johnston Street. I will post more of them if there is interest.
You will note a number of interesting things on the 1936 record plan for the yard attached including the names and function of all the tracks in the yard, an outline of the station, original freight house and customs office in the upper yard. The motor coach track is still labeled as such although that service was gone for years by then. Cheers Al Lill
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017, 1:57am
Fascinating stuff, Alan. Anything more you have, please do post
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017, 12:38pm
July, 1955  approx mile 5.9, Cowichan Sub  [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Work Extra 2104 with ballast cars, is eastbound under the new Colwood overpass.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017, 4:46pm
Awesome shot. That's probably fill from the Colwood ballast pit bound to fill in the approaches to the Colquitz trestle, if I had to guess.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017, 8:53pm
on Jan 17th, 2017, 4:46pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Awesome shot. That's probably fill from the Colwood ballast pit bound to fill in the approaches to the Colquitz trestle, if I had to guess.

Good call, Emily.  July, 1955, mile 2.4 Cowichan Sub, [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]  
 
Work Extra 2104 filling in approaches to the Colquitz trestle.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 19th, 2017, 1:34pm
Map of Deerholme yard [CNR]  created and drawn by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 20th, 2017, 1:04am
Sept 29, 1958, mile 2.4 Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Brand new CNR GMD1's leading westbound Train 585 over the Colquitz trestle. They hadn't yet received their spark arrestors which were much needed on Vancouver Island.
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Jan 21st, 2017, 12:24am
on Jan 20th, 2017, 1:04am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sept 29, 1958, mile 2.4 Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Brand new CNR GMD1's leading westbound Train 585 over the Colquitz trestle. They hadn't yet received their spark arrestors which were much needed on Vancouver Island.

 
Thanks Jamie for this awesome shot. What is the earliest shot you have of GMD1s on Vancouver Island with spark arrestors?  Another PE map attached from 1936 record plan. AL
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 21st, 2017, 1:03pm
on Jan 21st, 2017, 12:24am, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks Jamie for this awesome shot. What is the earliest shot you have of GMD1s on Vancouver Island with spark arrestors?  Another PE map attached from 1936 record plan. AL

 
Alan, to answer your question about spark arrestors, here it is,
December 22, 1964, Mile 81.9 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Timetable train # 889 [Deerholme to Youbou ]switching cars at the big mill at Youbou.
According to the October 1964 timetable, Train 889 arrives at Youbou at 14.20 and departs as Train 890 at 18.00 [no regular trains to Victoria on the timetable any more ]
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Jan 21st, 2017, 1:08pm
Wow Alan those maps are great!
 
Have you got higher resolution copies that could be emailed?
 
It is really encouraging that new contributors are still appearing and dropping great content onto this forum!
 
These CN pictures are great! I have vague memories of that overpass at the colwood exit before that area got rebuilt.  
 
EDIT: Jamie, you snuck that great photo in while I was typing this reply, fantastic!
 
-Andrew
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Jan 21st, 2017, 4:24pm
I have a pdf from Les Kozma which has his 5 scans of part of the 1936 record plan which I will attach to an email if anyone requests it from me. I am looking for feedback on these plans and especially pictures of structures which were gone by 1950s at Point Ellice such as original freight house and station shown on the 1936 record plan. The attachment shows the E and N interchange but these is a little gap between this scan and the one I sent previously. Note the little yard where the CNR Johnston Street Freight house was later built. AL
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 27th, 2017, 12:33am
March 25, 1957, Tidewater Subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
2128 steaming towards Deerholme [southbound by timetable direction] passing through the Glenora neighborhood of the Duncan region.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Jan 27th, 2017, 12:52am
March, 1956, mile 51.1 Cowichan Subdivision, [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Elwood's view from the caboose of the 2141's Train 585, as it slowly rumbled across the  
mighty Koksilah River trestle.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Jan 27th, 2017, 11:55pm
on Jan 21st, 2017, 4:24pm, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I have a pdf from Les Kozma which has his 5 scans of part of the 1936 record plan which I will attach to an email if anyone requests it from me. I am looking for feedback on these plans and especially pictures of structures which were gone by 1950s at Point Ellice such as original freight house and station shown on the 1936 record plan. The attachment shows the E and N interchange but these is a little gap between this scan and the one I sent previously. Note the little yard where the CNR Johnston Street Freight house was later built. AL

 
 
Hello Alan, I sent you a private message with my email address.
 
This forum isn't great at notifying of new PMs; up at the top of the page, on the left, should be some text that reads "alanlill, you have # messages." If you click on that it should show the message(s).
 
Thanks,
AP
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 1:19pm
Interesting stuff about the E&N and CN on Vancouver Island from the summer of 1975.
It was both the time when CP attempted to abandon service north of Parksville on the Victoria Sub, and when CN resumed rail service east of Deerholme [to as far south as Leechtown]after they had carried out government ordered repairs to the Koksilah River trestle thanks to an official complaint made by the R.Hughes Pole Company based at Leechtown [service had ceased east of Deerholme in March of 1973] http://www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no286_1975.pdf [pg 30]
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 2:45pm
What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 4:56pm
on Feb 3rd, 2017, 2:45pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.

Yes, that so-called conflict of interest was a damned shame,  there was no question what was the safest way to transport military armaments, but that salient point couldn't even be raised in the abandonment hearings because of the rules. BTW, I do believe the Hutchinson Cove trestle in addition to the Grouse Nest trestle, would have needed repairs to bring it back in line with safety standards.
Posted by: CLC Fan Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 9:31pm
Fantastic photos and maps.  Thank-you all for sharing.
Posted by: George_Harris Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 9:47pm
on Feb 3rd, 2017, 2:45pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.

That has got to be one of the weirdest pieces of non-logic I have ever heard.  I would have thought the needs of the military would have been a strong argument for keeping the line in service.  That has been used for some minor lines in the states, and seems to be considered valid.  
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 4th, 2017, 5:39pm
August, 1978, Point Ellice Yard  Photo by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
 
CN switcher 7156 had the Victoria yard job duty in this photo, and Trojan Steel was also occupying space at Point Ellice during that now long ago summer.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 4th, 2017, 5:48pm
August 1978, Point Ellice Yard, Photo by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
 
Looking south through the yard, towards the Bay Street Bridge
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 6th, 2017, 1:48pm
June, 1989, Point Ellice Yard  [Photo by Jamie Masters]
 
The 1070 has just crossed the Selkirk Trestle with a empty grain hopper bound for CN/E&N interchange.
 
The man riding the 1070's pilot, was the last CNR section man on the Island.
His first name was Tony [didn't get his last name], he was hired on by the CNR back in 1966 and managed rather surprisingly [to him especially] to remain employed here on the Island, even though during his tenure, CN was gradually cutting their Island operations down to nearly nothing.  
His job today was to lower and raise the hand operated drawbridge on the Selkirk trestle.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 7th, 2017, 1:14am
February 19, 1990, Point Ellice Yard  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
CN GMD1 1070 is being started [it needed a little help after sitting idle for more than a month] , and soon it will roll down to the interchange with the E&N, and into history as the last remanent of CN's once thriving presence on Vancouver Island.
[The man in the blue overcoat was Walt Kawalikak,  Vancouver Terminal Manager whose responsibilities included CN's last operations on the Island]
Posted by: cn2220 Posted on: Feb 7th, 2017, 12:46pm
on Feb 6th, 2017, 1:48pm, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
June, 1989, Point Ellice Yard  [Photo by Jamie Masters]
 
The 1070 has just crossed the Selkirk Trestle with a empty grain hopper bound for CN/E&N interchange.
 
The man riding the 1070's pilot, was the last CNR section man on the Island.
His first name was Tony [didn't get his last name], he was hired on by the CNR back in 1966 and managed rather surprisingly [to him especially] to remain employed here on the Island, even though during his tenure, CN was gradually cutting their Island operations down to nearly nothing.  
His job today was to lower and raise the hand operated drawbridge on the Selkirk trestle.

 
Tony Klubocar(sp?) I think was his name.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 7th, 2017, 4:55pm
quote author=cn2220 link=board=Vancouver;num=1077604803;start=520#523 date=02/07/17 at 12:46:50]
 
Tony Klubocar(sp?) I think was his name. [/quote]
 
Thanks, Tyler, I rechecked Hugh Fraser's DVD of last runs on the Island, and lo and behold, there was Tony, last name spelled Klobucar.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 8th, 2017, 1:02pm
October, 1954, somewhere on the Cowichan Subdivision, Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters.
 
Veteran engineer Pete Stemo taking the 2096 on it's last run before the old Consolidation is retired.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 16th, 2017, 8:31pm
March 27, 1988, mile 81 Cowichan Subdivision  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
CN GMD1 1000 is nearing Youbou on this beautiful early Spring day. This would be the last run ever, westbound out've Deerholme. On March 30th, the 1000 and CN would depart the Cowichan Valley forever.
Posted by: MinionII Posted on: Feb 17th, 2017, 2:07am
That's a great shot Jamie.
 
I wonder if any of the residents along the lakeside were sad to see an end to the trains running essentially through their yards...
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 17th, 2017, 7:07pm
March 30, 1988, mile 3.1[approx] Tidewater Subdivision [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
For the last time, CN GMD1 1000 will be crossing Langtry Rd in Duncan's Glenora district.
The engine is heading Northward [by timetable direction] to Cowichan Bay where it gather the remaining cars, and it and CN will leave the Island for good.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 17th, 2017, 7:13pm
March 30, 1988, Cowichan Bay {mile 7.3, Tidewater Sub } [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
GMD1 1000 is pushing the last loads and empties towards the waiting rail barge at CN's Cowichan Bay rail slip. By mid afternoon, everything was loaded and CN's presence in the Cowichan Valley was now but a memory.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 21st, 2017, 12:39pm
September, 1988  Mile 51.1 Cowichan Sub  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
The aftermath of an extremely brain dead grad party, whose members apparently decided that setting a fire in the middle of the Koksilah River Trestle was a great idea.
Thankfully, the big trestle proved pretty difficult to destroy.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Feb 21st, 2017, 6:43pm
Where did the top layer of crossties (or whatever their bridge equivalent is) go between '83 and '88? There are a few stragglers left in that picture, but did the rest of them get pried off by bush partiers and thrown into the canyon over the course of five years?
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 21st, 2017, 7:44pm
on Feb 21st, 2017, 6:43pm, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Where did the top layer of crossties (or whatever their bridge equivalent is) go between '83 and '88? There are a few stragglers left in that picture, but did the rest of them get pried off by bush partiers and thrown into the canyon over the course of five years?

 
Spring, 1988 [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
I'm not sure what happened to all the deck stringers, but this photo of mine shows at least a few more in evidence. Perhaps some salvaging was going on in the time period you mention. Prying up those heavy beasts seems like a lot of work for dips..t partiers.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 24th, 2017, 6:52pm
January 22, 1957, mile 2.2 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
The 2099 had derailed at the intersection of Tillicum Rd and the TCH. A shoofly was built to allow other freights to get by while the re-railing and track repair were going on.
On this snowy day, the 2104 was leading it's freight extra past the woebegone 2099, while many onlookers enjoyed the spectacle.
Posted by: Goose5 Posted on: Feb 25th, 2017, 2:57pm
Thanks for the posting the Tillicum Rd. derailment photo Jamie. That shot cries out for a then and now comparison photo from exactly the same spot because of what's visible in the background.
 
Dave
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Feb 25th, 2017, 3:13pm
I understand from Bob Loat that the reason the 2099 derailed is that it was running backward hauling 585 to Deerholme and the tender rode up on packed ice. According to Bob, the CNR didn't use the wye at MP 1.6 in snowy weather in the steam era to turn the locomotive and just continued on the Cowichan Sub hauling the eastbound trains tender first to Deerholme. Last Tuesday I saw a bunch of slides of this same derailment (George Hearn) as well as other shots on Vancouver Island. I plan on getting scans and adding them to an article in CN LINES and/or post them on this thread if I get permission. Al
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 25th, 2017, 8:53pm
on Feb 25th, 2017, 3:13pm, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I understand from Bob Loat that the reason the 2099 derailed is that it was running backward hauling 585 to Deerholme and the tender rode up on packed ice. According to Bob, the CNR didn't use the wye at MP 1.6 in snowy weather in the steam era to turn the locomotive and just continued on the Cowichan Sub hauling the eastbound trains tender first to Deerholme. Last Tuesday I saw a bunch of slides of this same derailment (George Hearn) as well as other shots on Vancouver Island. I plan on getting scans and adding them to an article in CN LINES and/or post them on this thread if I get permission. Al

 
Very interesting about how the 2099 derailed, I'd never been really sure just why it happened.
Love to see those scans  on this thread if you get permission, Al
Jamie
 
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Feb 26th, 2017, 1:22pm
January 5, 1990,  CN's Saanich Spur  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
GMD1 1070 is crossing Quadra Street to switch Borden Mercantile for the very last time.
Visible on the engine is local Chek Six reporter Patty Pitts and her cameraman who rode the engine to Bordens to file a story on the last run.
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Feb 26th, 2017, 6:36pm
on Feb 4th, 2017, 5:48pm, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
August 1978, Point Ellice Yard, Photo by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
 
Looking south through the yard, towards the Bay Street Bridge

 
Attached is one of my shots in same year looking opposite direction AL
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Feb 26th, 2017, 6:45pm
on Feb 4th, 2017, 5:48pm, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
August 1978, Point Ellice Yard, Photo by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
 
Looking south through the yard, towards the Bay Street Bridge

Attached is another of my shots from Dec 78. I think the GMD1 was being stored and the switcher was ready to go in service from the fenced compound where one of the pit tracks for the roundhouse was located. The sand car is setting on another. AL
Posted by: CPRail4744 Posted on: Feb 28th, 2017, 3:30am
Wonderful pictures, Jamie and Alan
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 1st, 2017, 6:00pm
July 1956,  CN's Saanich Spur  [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
With a boxcar for the winery [and some boys riding on top of the boxcar], the 1451 crosses Saanich Road on a long ago summer's day.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 1st, 2017, 6:04pm
Late June, 1989, Saanich Spur  [Photo by Jamie Masters ]
 
Returning back to Point Ellice after dropping off a load at Borden Mercantile, GMD1 1070
crosses Saanich Road.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2017, 1:13am
September 18, 1954,  Victoria BC, Model Railroaders convention
Timetable and points of interest of the special passenger train running from Victoria to Deerholme and return.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2017, 1:19am
September 18, 1954, Point Ellice Yard [Photo by Elwood White ]
 
The 2100 is cleaned and polished up and the model railroad conventioneers are getting ready for their journey up to Deerholme and back.
Posted by: alanlill Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2017, 5:09pm
Thanks Jamie for the great shot of the 2100 on the special on September 18, 1954. The hayrack observation car on that train was the 15106 in the old paint scheme with tilted wafers. - photo attached. Apparently the modellers wanted old equipment and not the latest CNR passenger cars in 1954. In April 1955 the CNR introduced the Super Continental and only ran the hayracks for that summer on the Continental between Kamloops Jct and Jasper. CNR repainted two others (15097 and 15099) and the 15106 probably got retired by 1955. The 15097 still exists at Heritage Park in Calgary albeit with 4 wheel trucks.  
I would like to get the numbers of the other cars in the NMRA-PNR special. AL
 
Alon Mar 2nd, 2017, 1:19am, Jamie_Masters wrote:       (Click here for original message)
September 18, 1954, Point Ellice Yard [Photo by Elwood White ]
 
The 2100 is cleaned and polished up and the model railroad conventioneers are getting ready for their journey up to Deerholme and back.

Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2017, 7:51pm
on Mar 2nd, 2017, 5:09pm, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks Jamie for the great shot of the 2100 on the special on September 18, 1954. The hayrack observation car on that train was the 15106 in the old paint scheme with tilted wafers. - photo attached. Apparently the modellers wanted old equipment and not the latest CNR passenger cars in 1954. In April 1955 the CNR introduced the Super Continental and only ran the hayracks for that summer on the Continental between Kamloops Jct and Jasper. CNR repainted two others (15097 and 15099) and the 15106 probably got retired by 1955. The 15097 still exists at Heritage Park in Calgary albeit with 4 wheel trucks.  
I would like to get the numbers of the other cars in the NMRA-PNR special. AL
 
Al

Great stuff regarding the special train's passenger consist, Al, much appreciate learning new info about anything that went on, on the Island.
Jamie
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Mar 6th, 2017, 12:43am
A question about the Saanich Spur: I found a picture in Saanich Archives of the extension of McKenzie at Borden in 1968 - looking east where they were constructing a culvert next to the CNR right-of-way. Except the tracks were still there, going left (north) out of the picture, with crossbucks visible where they crossed Borden. I thought north of McKenzie was abandoned by the late 1930s - how far north did the tracks still run by '68, and why? I can't think of any customers between McKenzie and Blenkinsop Lake.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Mar 6th, 2017, 1:05am
can you re post the photo for reference?
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Mar 6th, 2017, 1:29am
I tried to find it online again but their search function isn't very good. Here it is.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Mar 6th, 2017, 1:35am
Awesome, thanks. It turns out I actually have seen this photo before.  Heres my take on it:  In one of the old Wilkie videos depicting the Saanich spur in the 60s it shows a steam switcher working the end of the line part Borden. In the video clip there is two spurs, stub ended I presume and appear to be around the area where the old winery was. Ive heard loosely it was a team track / transload situation . Anybody else care to add their two cents? I'm certainly not sure but between the video clip and old second hand information this is what I've gleaned from it.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Mar 6th, 2017, 12:35pm
I know in the 70s and maybe into the 80s, the last couple of hundred feet past Borden Mercantile towards McKenzie was a de facto "team track" - gondolas for recycling were spotted there, and I think that's where Saanich Artifacts' caboose was loaded onto a flatbed.
Posted by: torch Posted on: Mar 7th, 2017, 1:04am
Indeed. I had posted the photo of the gondola being loaded at the end of the spur. As for the caboose I was fortunate to have seen it while being offloaded. Surprisingly they offloaded the caboose on Borden Mercantile's spur itself,just ahead of the grain loads. You'd think it would've been logistically better to do it at the end of track but hey, railroading has its quirks.  I just realized what the mystery track across Mackenzie may have been for: The winery. I don't mean the old winery on the west side of Quadra but rather the building that used to lie north of Mackenzie.  Its possible.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 7th, 2017, 6:41pm
http://www.cvrd.bc.ca/DocumentCenter/View/64508
 
Most interesting.
Posted by: emilydm Posted on: Mar 7th, 2017, 8:06pm
Thanks to Dave Wilkie, here's a shot of the Victoria Pacific train after it had been dropped off at Colwood siding, before it made its own way down to Six Mile. It shone up the rails on the siding nicely. https://www.flickr.com/photos/msdwilkie/6179846574/in/album-72157627586145651/
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 8th, 2017, 12:17am
September 9, 1918, approximately mile 10, Cowichan Subdivision  
 
Sooke Region Museum & Archives
 
Canadian National Mogul 1018 is decorated for the spike driving ceremony at  
the current end of steel at Luxton. Optimism was high for more steel being laid soon,
but progress continued to be slow over the next several years. Indeed, it took until 1924 before rail reached Lake Cowichan.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 9th, 2017, 4:28pm
September, 1968, BC gov air photo [collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
This blowup of an air photo shows the Leechtown area from Sept 1968.
 
The R. Hughes pole yard is visible as well as some rail cars with poles loaded. Interesting to see some structures still standing, the old Sooke Lake Lumber Company watchman was still in place during this period, so Leechtown still looked like Leechtown.
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 11th, 2017, 8:29pm
on Mar 6th, 2017, 12:43am, emilydm wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A question about the Saanich Spur: I found a picture in Saanich Archives of the extension of McKenzie at Borden in 1968 - looking east where they were constructing a culvert next to the CNR right-of-way. Except the tracks were still there, going left (north) out of the picture, with crossbucks visible where they crossed Borden. I thought north of McKenzie was abandoned by the late 1930s - how far north did the tracks still run by '68, and why? I can't think of any customers between McKenzie and Blenkinsop Lake.

With regards to where the Saanich Spur tracks ended in 1968, here is an excellent photo by David Davies from May of 1968, showing the tracks ending just shy of Cedar Hill X Road and Borden.https://search.nbca.unbc.ca/index.php/cnr-victoria-5
Posted by: Jamie_Masters Posted on: Mar 14th, 2017, 1:43am
Spring, 1957, Point Ellice barge slip [Elwood White photographer, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
The little General Electric yard switcher # 74 is working hard moving cars at the Point Ellice slip.
Posted by: Aaron Lypkie Posted on: Mar 16th, 2017, 6:39pm
on Jan 16th, 2017, 11:34pm, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It is great to see more of Elwood White's pictures so Thanks Jamie and also thanks to Dave for reposting his tour of the line from Point Ellice west near the end of service. I have been continuing to assemble material for a Point Ellice in CN LINES and the latest tidbit I have for discussion on this thread is one of the scans made by Les Kozma of the 1936 record plan of trackage in Victoria. Les did not scan a continuous set but did cover the wye at MP 1.6 Cowichan Sub and Point Ellice yard and most of the track to the E and N interchange including the small yard next to Johnston Street. I will post more of them if there is interest.
You will note a number of interesting things on the 1936 record plan for the yard attached including the names and function of all the tracks in the yard, an outline of the station, original freight house and customs office in the upper yard. The motor coach track is still labeled as such although that service was gone for years by then. Cheers Al Lill

 
I would be interested in those five scans you mentioned. I am drawing certain railway buildings that are long gone. Just sent you a PM.