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ENR3005
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« on: Mar 28th, 2017, 10:07pm »
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Found an interesting read on CP operations in the Alberni valley
 
http://www.pressreader.com/canada/alberni-valley-times/20111202/282527245255827


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« Reply #1 on: Mar 30th, 2017, 11:10am »
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Pretty interesting, but one thing struck me, the writer had no clue just how much tonnage
was still coming out've Port right up until Rail America completely screwed the pooch.
He mentions 1000 box car loads were lost when Norske went to trucks, nope, the total was closer to 6000 loads into and out've Port. All that tonnage gone in December 2001 was the true beginning of the end of E&N viability.


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« Reply #2 on: Mar 30th, 2017, 2:31pm »
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What would it take to get the mill back on rail service? Surely trucking isn't cheaper...

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 31st, 2017, 11:59am »
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on Mar 30th, 2017, 2:31pm, MinionII wrote:       (Click here for original message)
What would it take to get the mill back on rail service? Surely trucking isn't cheaper...

 
MinionII - Lodge Members - Et. Al. ...
 
Carefully read the news report which posted here. In it, the shipping needs and requirements of a group of  
cargo shippers and receivers explained...
 
Briefly on this? It is unrealistic to "second guess" customer decisions to utilize rail, highway or other modes,  
so to address specific demands. The point here being? As a broad brush rule: No! Rail service not necessarily  
optimal on every cargo movement!  
 
BTW. Yes, the shipper of plywood with its unique needs for optimal service, all factors considered. In a plainly  
obvious other example? Handling of produce and other perishables. Much of  cargo necessarily on highways.  
Compare, some of it operated well with rail moves on longer hauls...
 
......................  Vern  ........................


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« Reply #4 on: Mar 31st, 2017, 1:00pm »
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Hello Vern, I certainly don't disagree with you that rail isn't always best. But in the specific case of the Port Alberni mill, I would argue that it 'probably' is...just look at the other mill operations on the island...many have there own internal rail systems and connect to the mainland via barge service. I don't know what exactly Rail American proposed that drove the mill to truck, perhaps they wanted a specific ROE or profit that resulted in a rate that was simply too high? Sure, the railroad needs to be profitable, but isn't a small net profit better than no business at all?
I'm doing a lot of guessing here.  


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« Reply #5 on: Mar 31st, 2017, 1:43pm »
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MinionII - Et. Al. -
 
Many Thanks! Beats me whatever the considerations of Norsk, and its internal issues. It went to highway  
for its own customer demands? That to say? Much of the factors mostly proprietary information, best kept  
undisclosed to competitors, and curiosity seekers?
 
Markets in Plywood (Building Materials) and Paper with inherent problems. One of the issues with any "V. I."  
challenges? With a rail car, it needs to get to and from across water on a Ferry? Better on a highway trailer?  
Let us assume a shipment of Plywood? Some loads with "partial lots" for ultimate deliveries to several en  
route receivers? (Side Note: Been there, done that!)  
 
Moral (if any?) - US Railroads merciless with abandonment of marginal branch lines! That reality. (BTW  
and check recent news), our CDN associate, HH, with interest in US CSX. That should be fun?
 
......................  Vern  ........................


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« Reply #6 on: Apr 1st, 2017, 2:06am »
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The advent of trucking out of Port Alberni was acerbated by the then parent company (CPRail) not wanting to bother with LCL freight and not wanting to ship pool cars (multiple small loads within a large rail car) The Rail America people thought they had Noersk by the short and curlies and tried to milk every dime they could out of them. The then Noersk shipping manager (Vanbesbrook) said enough is enough and called in bids from truckers. The mill went for bang for their shipping buck and I highly doubt they will ever go back to rail again for getting stuff off this Island.  
 
The one chance the SVI had of recapturing the mill shipments had its feet cut out from under them by the anti coal group partially lead by the buffoon that posts as a rail supporter. Using bulls**t as science the three infamous goofs of Coal Watch destroyed the plans SVI were developing to reopen the Port Sub and make a bid for hauling the coal. So if you want to know why the Port Sub and the E & N as a whole are not running then go after the route cause.  
 
The trucking companies are not to blame.  
 
Vern did you see that HH is getting 200 million as his starting wage. Un effing real.


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Never known for Political Correctness
& far from a tag words cut and paste artist.
Port Alberni or Thereabouts.
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