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Re: Raven Coal article in National Post
 
« Reply #20 on: Feb 18th, 2015, 10:47am »
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on Feb 18th, 2015, 9:47am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Dennis - chrisale - Lodge Members -
 
So, it has come to this? Bickering over reports and studies, which only beget more reports and studies?
 
Issues here are not that hard: 1) Is the current line of railroad in such condition it is "...ready, willing, fit and able..." to haul the  
possible, anticipated new tonnage? 2) Should the prospective source of tonnage become possible, then Highway option (if need)  
could be done with a fleet of about twenty (20) dedicated units of truck equipment.
 
........................Vern....................

 
The issue is one of advocacy over a highway or a railway, both effectively currently non-existent, being built/rebuilt to accommodate the coal trucks and take pressure off the existing busy two lane highway.
 
I'll continue to advocate that the only sensible option for the mine (provided it even gets through the environmental process) and citizens is to invest in the publicly financed but privately maintained (through direct transport costs) railway over the more expensive publicly financed AND publicly maintained highway and local roads.


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Re: Raven Coal article in National Post
 
« Reply #21 on: Feb 18th, 2015, 9:00pm »
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Push all you want to Chris but you are presently a majority of one in most peoples minds.  The railroad to port should have been a priority with the minions of the ICF and wasn't at any time. The railroad for that reason was left out of the Raven proposal.  
 
Again the only one in Port Alberni who didn't see the highway proposal put forth by Charlie Haggard (years before Raven was thought of) is you. The various and sundry new route proposals have been bandied about for at least 11 years.  
 
Charlie came up with a route that minimized construction costs by relying on a cut and fill proposal that made eminent sense to everyone but you. The Transportation Committee was an offshoot of Charlies preliminary work and you immediately cried foul when the Raven proposal came into being.  
 
Eventually you will either see the light of just start being ignored by other committee members because of your improbable conclusions to almost every report.  


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Re: Raven Coal article in National Post
 
« Reply #22 on: Feb 19th, 2015, 7:33am »
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on Feb 18th, 2015, 10:47am, chrisale wrote:       (Click here for original message)
...I'll continue to advocate that the only sensible option for the mine (provided it even gets through the environmental process) and citizens is to invest in
the publicly financed but privately maintained (through direct transport costs) railway over the more expensive publicly financed AND publicly maintained  
highway and local roads.
(emphasis added)
 
 
chrisale - Lodge Members -
 
Perhaps better, and with interest in fairness and equity, to add that Highway Users pay "fair share" (or more, or less, dependent
upon whatever past studies on the issues). Vehicles on the Roads do not get a "free lunch" deal.
 
In any event, "...more expensive..." Highway use does not state reality as well as it should. In the flows on current Highways,  
so much of it is individual decisions to utilize "optimal" solutions. That is not necessarily the same as "most cost efficient".  
It is more, "do what one must do" to get the myriad classes of cargo to the customer.
 
So now we have this reality of various "business opportunities" (which thereby are "economic development") issues. With the  
prospective movements of Coal, it implies some questions? 1) Why is current Highway System deemed inadequate? 2) How  
is it the (Free Peoples) Railroad believed inadequate, in its current state? 3) Whatever became of any funding to keep the Rail  
line in a competitive ("...ready, willing, fit and able...") state? 4) Same with Highways?
 
And, yes, intuitively, your writer believes Rail should be preferred on moves from Cumberland to Port Alberni. Betterments  
should have been, and need be on the owners of the line. It surely is not a burden for the current daily operator (which in on  
a short term rental, clearly not a ninety-nine (99) year lease.
 
.............................Vern..........................


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« Reply #23 on: Feb 19th, 2015, 1:24pm »
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I see nothing has changed here sadly....

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Re: Raven Coal article in National Post
 
« Reply #24 on: Feb 20th, 2015, 2:27pm »
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on Feb 19th, 2015, 1:24pm, SRY 110 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I see nothing has changed here sadly....
To paraphrase a infamous person "You are a bigger optimist than I Gunga Din.
 


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« Reply #25 on: Mar 4th, 2015, 12:30am »
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Raven pulled their application before it could be ruled upon by the BCEAO/CEAA yesterday.
 
Their stated reasoning is due to "Misinformation" in the communities around their mine.
 
Regardless, if they thought they would pass to the next stage, they would not have pulled their application.  
 
They now have until June to resubmit an application that satisfies the concerns that were raised when it was rejected the first time.  They may apply for an extension of some sort in June, but we won't know until then.
 
So that's the update on that.


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« Reply #26 on: Mar 4th, 2015, 11:14am »
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As the old E & N chuffs slowly into oblivion we have the idiotic environmentalist chorkling over the victory of the misinformation specials who killed the probably one saving industry for the E & N.

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« Reply #27 on: Mar 4th, 2015, 4:26pm »
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As the old E & N chuffs slowly into oblivion we have the idiotic environmentalist chorkling over the victory of the misinformation specials who killed the probably one saving industry for the E & N.

 
The application has never reached a public period.  The application has so far failed purely on its own merits within the government system.  The first time, it was because there had not been any significant consultations with First Nations.  This time... well, we won't know because they withdrew it before the government could announce publicly their opinion on the application.
 
The company simply hasn't done the work required of it.


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Re: Raven Coal article in National Post
 
« Reply #28 on: May 10th, 2017, 10:30pm »
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Just to give everyone an update. The highway committee is still alive and well and Raven is dead. So now who was attempting to blow smoke up everyone else's arses about Charlie Haggard's dream highway. .

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