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« on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 3:21pm »
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I am truly stunned at the magnitude of the victory for the railway today!  VIA and SVI have come to a tentative agreement pending ratification by the Boards and such.
 
The new Dayliner service will be centred in Nanaimo with service starting there in the morning, going to Victoria, leaving Victoria on the traditional run to Courtenay and back and then return to Nanaimo.  SVI put together the business plan that has now come to fruition.
 
Once all the stuff is signed and the funding is released the track and bridge work should take around 9 months.
 
What a great day!  We've all waited so long.
 
I'll upload pictures later.
 
Yes!


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« Reply #1 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 3:38pm »
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I am truly stunned at the magnitude of the victory for the railway today!  VIA and SVI have come to a tentative agreement pending ratification by the Boards and such.
 
The new Dayliner service will be centred in Nanaimo with service starting there in the morning, going to Victoria, leaving Victoria on the traditional run to Courtenay and back and then return to Nanaimo.  SVI put together the business plan that has now come to fruition.
 
Once all the stuff is signed and the funding is released the track and bridge work should take around 9 months.
 
What a great day!  We've all waited so long.
 
I'll upload pictures later.
 
Yes!

 
Fantastic news!


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« Reply #2 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 4:10pm »
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Chris C - All-
 
Don't get too excited about all of it! The challenge is in the getting past the embedded bureaucracy...
 
Your writer much surprised any proposal did not involve substitute highway!
 
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 4:23pm »
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I've refrained from posting anything on all the threads related to this, but lets all give kudos and a big shout out to VIA, SVI and the ICF. We may have our differences with them, but if this indeed comes to fruition, and we all hope it does, they all deserve our thanks for a job well done. They are least thinking toward the future. Hopefully they can then try to get a few more freight customers back after that.
 
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 4:32pm »
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http://metronews.ca/news/victoria/991311/passenger-rail-returning-to-vancouver-island/

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 5:53pm »
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http://www.cfax1070.com/News/Top-Stories/Rail-service-to-move-forward-on-Vancouver-Island

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 9:16pm »
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No deal has been reached.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/no-vancouver-island-railway-deal-yet-says-via-rail-1.2595095


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« Reply #7 on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 10:53pm »
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No deal has been reached.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/no-vancouver-island-railway-deal-yet-says-via-rail-1.2595095

 
Gagnon is just being inexplicably literal.
 
Judith Sayers is on record (this afternoon on CBC Radio) saying that they had written permission from VIA that they could announce the tentative agreement and the details that they did and that the deal simply has to be finalized and ratified.  
 
For Gagnon to be so literal and state the agreement hasn't been signed and thus isn't an agreement is pretty inexplicably hard headed.
 
I'd like to see that email from VIA to Sayers.  I'm willing to bet it wasn't from Gagnon! lol.
 
"Tentative Agreement" is very specific legal language.  It's not something you just throw around without agreement from the parties involved.


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« Reply #8 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:08am »
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Much ado about nothing.  The deal is done.  Just needs to be ratified:
 
Judith Sayers:
 
"VIA says no agreement until it is signed-which is true- but agree in e mail to ICF a tentative deal has been reached"
 
https://twitter.com/kekinusuqs/status/451568032926560257
 
"We Announced a tentative deal that needs to be ratified by 3 boards-VIA, SVI & ICF-negotiators recommend to bds" [boards]
https://twitter.com/kekinusuqs/statu...66764212502530


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« Reply #9 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:45am »
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It would be great news IF IT WAS TRUE.  
 
I doubt that it is true.


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« Reply #10 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 1:01am »
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I will not jump up and down and cheer until the deal is signed AND track repairs are fully under way.
Otherwise, this "announcement" may just be a premature ejaculation.
 
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 1:57am »
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Quote from The CBC article:  
 
"VIA Rail says there is no deal to restore passenger rail service on the Southern Railway of Vancouver Island, despite an announcement earlier today by the Island Corridor Foundation that it had reached a tentative agreement with VIA to bring trains back"
 
 So. From the article, Note the word " deal". When you are done noting it, note the word "no". Then, note that the word "no" is next to the word "deal". Together, they combine to form "no deal". That does not sound like a "tentative deal", or even worse "the deal is done" . But hey, I learned a long time ago that you'll never see it my way, and that's fine. And for once, I hope I'm wrong....
 
 
on Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:08am, chrisale wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Much ado about nothing.  The deal is done.  Just needs to be ratified:
 
Judith Sayers:
 
"VIA says no agreement until it is signed-which is true- but agree in e mail to ICF a tentative deal has been reached"
 
https://twitter.com/kekinusuqs/status/451568032926560257
 
"We Announced a tentative deal that needs to be ratified by 3 boards-VIA, SVI & ICF-negotiators recommend to bds" [boards]
https://twitter.com/kekinusuqs/statu...66764212502530


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« Reply #12 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 4:47am »
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Well, guys, look at it this way. If all your negative comments DO prove to be correct, you'll have the HUGE satisfaction of seeing the ICF people humiliated and with lots of public egg on their faces! So whichever way it goes you'll be happy!

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Well, guys, look at it this way. If all your negative comments DO prove to be correct, you'll have the HUGE satisfaction of seeing the ICF people humiliated and with lots of public egg on their faces! So whichever way it goes you'll be happy!

 
Indeed! Hooray for that!


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« Reply #14 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 12:37pm »
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Well, as Bon Scott of AC/DC once sang-"it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll"!

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Well, guys, look at it this way. If all your negative comments DO prove to be correct, you'll have the HUGE satisfaction of seeing the ICF people humiliated and with lots of public egg on their faces! So whichever way it goes you'll be happy!
Well after three years of taking turns feeding us bull they suddenly want us to start believing them?
 
When I see the choo choo, choo chooing its way past 26th in Courtenay I'll believe it.  
 
 
The killer to me is the part where the trains will be in Nanaimo and start an early commuter run. According to people I know at VIA this ain't never going to happen.  
 
It looks like more Sir Graham of Misinformation, bologna that don't make for good sandwiches.


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« Reply #16 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 6:31pm »
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Actually, to use Mr. Gagnon's words, he said "no formal agreement" has been reached.  He has never said no "tentative" agreement has been reached.  
 
From the Times Colonist:
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/islanders-and-via-rail-at-odds-over-whether-there-s-a-deal-1.940302
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Asked about the foundation’s description of a “tentative deal,” Gagnon said: “I would leave it to them to describe what is a tentative agreement or an agreement in principle. We all know that, in business, a contract is valid from the moment both parties sign and we’re not there.”

 
So he's just playing with words.  Clearly some sort of agreement has been reached either tentatively or in principle.  Which means, based on what we all know about how contracts in business work, it only needs to be finalized and signed in order to be, in his words "valid".
 
I've never, ever, heard of such intransigence in negotiations before.  Very Very strange behaviour from VIA.


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« Reply #17 on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 6:54pm »
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Well after sitting back and reading the various news releases I find it hard not to comment. I am nervously excited to believe we are close to a deal but there is no deal as of yet. The ICF has been receiving pressure from various areas that faith has been lost in their ability to get the trains moving and its time for a change. Within a few weeks the ICF holds a press conference to announce that a "Tentative" agreement has been reached but not approved. At the same time, VIA Rail has reiterated that no deal has been met and doesn't share the same statements as the ICF nor have we heard from SVI. Common sense is telling me that it looks as though this is an attempt to "buy" some more time. I personally find it very interesting that only 1/3 of the parties were at such an important press release. I would think that a representative from each party would be on hand for this type of announcement, as we now see some conflicting information from two of the parties. I really don't know what to believe at the moment. I want to believe that the ICF has just jumped the gun with enthusiasm and a further release from VIA and SVI is to follow but I'm sorry this is not the first time I have got my hopes up and left to wonder.
 
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on Apr 3rd, 2014, 6:54pm, JRPhotography wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Well after sitting back and reading the various news releases I find it hard not to comment. I am nervously excited to believe we are close to a deal but there is no deal as of yet. The ICF has been receiving pressure from various areas that faith has been lost in their ability to get the trains moving and its time for a change. Within a few weeks the ICF holds a press conference to announce that a "Tentative" agreement has been reached but not approved. At the same time, VIA Rail has reiterated that no deal has been met and doesn't share the same statements as the ICF nor have we heard from SVI. Common sense is telling me that it looks as though this is an attempt to "buy" some more time. I personally find it very interesting that only 1/3 of the parties were at such an important press release. I would think that a representative from each party would be on hand for this type of announcement, as we now see some conflicting information from two of the parties. I really don't know what to believe at the moment. I want to believe that the ICF has just jumped the gun with enthusiasm and a further release from VIA and SVI is to follow but I'm sorry this is not the first time I have got my hopes up and left to wonder.
 
Cheers,
 
JR

 
SVI was at the announcement, Frank Butzelaar sent his regrets, Don MacGregor and the full crew from Welcox were all there and genuinely excited for the announcement.
 
 
Nanaimo-Alberni MP James Lunney seems not too pleased with VIAs statements.
http://www.pqbnews.com/news/253817591.html
 
BREAKING NEWS: MP Lunney says there is a tentative deal between VIA and Southern Rail
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Nanaimo-Alberni MP James Lunney said Thursday he has learned through "high-level discussions" there is a tentative agreement between Southern Rail and VIA Rail for the re-start of passenger rail service on Vancouver Island.
 
While VIA Rail officials say negotiations continue and there is no agreement of any kind to announce, Lunney said he was disappointed VIA didn't participate in the Island Corridor Foundation's news conference Wednesday that proclaimed a "tentative agreement" had been reached between VIA and Southern.
 
"It is disappointing that VIA didn't stand with the ICF at this time," said Lunney. "I have assurance from both ends that there is a tentative agreement. The agreement is there."
 
Lunney would not speculate on when any official announcement would come, but he said "there's no excuses for delaying anymore."
 

 
 
 


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I realize there were employees there from SVI but I'm sorry to me someone from the upper ranks should have been on hand to answer questions or give a statement. ICF can only speak for its self which they did but neither of the other parties were there to add there piece and VIA obviously has a different opinion than ICF.
 
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