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« Reply #160 on: Dec 12th, 2007, 3:15am »
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Yes, this is Victoria Yard, 7072 was the switcher in Victoria for a few years, I understand it was also used when there were cars that  were going to Crofton once the Baldwin's were replaced with GP 9's as they were to heavy. I have a picture of it in a frieght heading North at Niagara trestle I will try and find. Anyone have a picture of it on the Crofton spur.


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« Reply #161 on: Dec 13th, 2007, 2:40am »
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on Dec 13th, 2007, 12:40am, CLC Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Those Baldwins are classics.  What I am trying to figure out is what kind of railcar its moving in that picture.  It almost looks like a flat car filled with wheel sets.

 
Hmm.... is it maybe some sort of logging car?


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« Reply #162 on: Dec 13th, 2007, 8:21am »
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It is not a logging car
 
a)Log traffic had ceased by the time I took this pic.  
 
b)Logs were not (I was tempted to say never, but I don't know about way back when) hauled to Victoria by rail at this time.
 
c)In the early 80's, they hadn't ripped out the yard tracks yet.  The "coachyard" was not used for revenue shipments at the time.  So I'd say that the car contained something for M of W or something for the shops


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« Reply #163 on: Dec 13th, 2007, 3:02pm »
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6701 was brought to Victoria in 1981(and was there for years) from what I know..prob to replace 7070/7072....does anyone know what year the Baldwins left the Island for good?

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« Reply #164 on: Dec 16th, 2007, 12:57am »
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I'm not sure of it but would the last Baldwin's have left the island back in 1982? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I was looking at pictures of Montana Rail Link engines and look at the picture I found of 110 and 119.
 
110 back in 1992:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=19850
 
119 back in sometime when.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mrl/mrl119.jpg
 
I didn't know all of SRY's GP9's came from Montana. Guess you do learn something new everyday.


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« Reply #165 on: May 30th, 2008, 7:21am »
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Some photos of the twins in their new home in sunny California.  
 
3809
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,1591838,1591838#1591838
 
3870
http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,1401772,1401772#1401772


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« Reply #166 on: May 31st, 2008, 2:02am »
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[quote author=Balto link=board=Vancouver;num=1175555045;start=160#165 date=12/16/07 at 00:57:33]I'm not sure of it but would the last Baldwin's have left the island back in 1982? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Seems to me you are right.  This was my final opportunity to photograph one of the Baldwins.  The picture of 7072 was taken in Victoria August 20, 1982.  If I remember correctly, it left shortly after.
 


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« Reply #167 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:12am »
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Speaking of locomotives of Vancouver Island, here is a gaggle of 'em.
 
8674, 8685, 8676, 8672, 8673, 8827, 8828, 8826, 8836, 8835 on December 6, 1986.
 
Those were the days.  Will Wellcox witness that much horsepower again?


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« Reply #168 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:45am »
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on Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:12am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Speaking of locomotives of Vancouver Island, here is a gaggle of 'em.
 
8674, 8685, 8676, 8672, 8673, 8827, 8828, 8826, 8836, 8635 on December 6, 1986.
 
Those were the days.  Will Wellcox witness that much horsepower again?

With all the log cars in the background, it must of been when they were making 2 trips a day with logs for Port Alberni, those were the days! We will have the find pictures of the derailment at Cameron Lake.


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« Reply #169 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 7:08pm »
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oooooh, look at all those unrebuilt GP9's..those were the days!...
 
I don't see any reason why things couldn't be that way on The E&N again..just takes some forward thinking from those with the purse strings!..the traffic is there, it can't be cost effective for all those shipping by truck, wiuth fuel prices the way they are, especially those using the ferries!


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« Reply #170 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:38pm »
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wow, 10 GP9s!  
 
I agree, I do believe traffic can return to similar levels back in the mid 80s. With the high gas prices, you are going to see more food grown on the island and probably more local industry coming back, which will probably need an energy efficient way of transporting the materials, rail!


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« Reply #171 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:42pm »
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on Dec 13th, 2007, 8:21am, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It is not a logging car
 
a)Log traffic had ceased by the time I took this pic.  
 
b)Logs were not (I was tempted to say never, but I don't know about way back when) hauled to Victoria by rail at this time.
 
c)In the early 80's, they hadn't ripped out the yard tracks yet.  The "coachyard" was not used for revenue shipments at the time.  So I'd say that the car contained something for M of W or something for the shops

 
I do know that log cars were brought down to Victoria up until I think the early 70s for repairs at the car shops, Ive seen pictures of this.
 
I think the CNR brought in logs  as well. I mean, all those log booms, they would had to have come down somehow.


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« Reply #172 on: Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:43pm »
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on Jun 3rd, 2008, 12:45am, tfctrains wrote:       (Click here for original message)

With all the log cars in the background, it must of been when they were making 2 trips a day with logs for Port Alberni, those were the days! We will have the find pictures of the derailment at Cameron Lake.

No log trains in the mid 80's.  Port was 3 or 4 days/week, Courtenay 1 day wk, Victoria was 3x/week in that time frame


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on Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:43pm, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

No log trains in the mid 80's.  Port was 3 or 4 days/week, Courtenay 1 day wk, Victoria was 3x/week in that time frame

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Granted, there were unusual circumstances at the time,  but there were indeed two log trains a day on the Port Sub for a short time during 1986.  Ergo all that horsepower at Wellcox!  Here is a photo taken November 1, 1986 at Cameron Lake on the Port Alberni sub.  By the way, I have known tfctrains for 30 years and have learned that his knowledge of the E&N is tough to match.


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« Reply #174 on: Jun 4th, 2008, 1:42am »
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Nice Pics
 
I did not realize that they still had log trains on the E&N in the late 80s.
 


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on Jun 4th, 2008, 1:42am, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice Pics
 
I did not realize that they still had log trains on the E&N in the late 80s.
 

 
Thanks.
 
Hmmm.... one could truthfully say there were no "regular" log trains in the 80s.  Like I say, there were unusual circumstances that provided the opportunity to take the two previous photos.  There was a woodworkers' strike late in 1986 prompting CP Rail to go into a brief log hauling business.  Just wanted to point out that it is dangerous to categorically state that something didn't happen.  There just might be a senior railfan out there who is liable to prove you wrong!
 
Those loaded cars, by the way, are sitting on Cameron Lake siding.  The rest of the train was scattered along the track towards the lake where there was major derailment.  The Port sub didn't stand up to the punishment of those heavy cars.
 
 


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« Reply #176 on: Jun 4th, 2008, 8:58am »
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on Jun 3rd, 2008, 9:42pm, Coastrail wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I do know that log cars were brought down to Victoria up until I think the early 70s for repairs at the car shops, Ive seen pictures of this.
 
I think the CNR brought in logs  as well. I mean, all those log booms, they would had to have come down somehow.

 
Log cars yes, and as you stated they were here for repair.  Loaded log cars no (at least in this time frame)  
 
The logs for BCFP (where my dad worked from the late 50's until the plywood mill shut down in 81) were brought in on the water. 


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on Jun 4th, 2008, 2:10am, Sidewinder wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks.
 
Hmmm.... one could truthfully say there were no "regular" log trains in the 80s.  Like I say, there were unusual circumstances that provided the opportunity to take the two previous photos.  There was a woodworkers' strike late in 1986 prompting CP Rail to go into a brief log hauling business.  Just wanted to point out that it is dangerous to categorically state that something didn't happen.  There just might be a senior railfan out there who is liable to prove you wrong!
 
Those loaded cars, by the way, are sitting on Cameron Lake siding.  The rest of the train was scattered along the track towards the lake where there was major derailment.  The Port sub didn't stand up to the punishment of those heavy cars.
 
 

That would explain the excess power. The 8600's had migratd back to the mainland by then & I guess they sent some back to cover the excess needs.
 
I'm surprised that I never heard of the extra traffic when it happened.


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« Reply #178 on: Jun 4th, 2008, 9:32am »
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on Jun 4th, 2008, 8:58am, CP8673 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
The logs for BCFP (where my dad worked from the late 50's until the plywood mill shut down in 81) were brought in on the water. 

 
Just wondering here ... I know that at some point in the late 60's or early 70's, Domans was hauling veneer from the Youbou mill to Victoria for the plywood mill (by truck).
Was the veneer previously hauled by CN from Youbou to Victoria? If so, was in it boxcars or on flats?
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« Reply #179 on: Jun 4th, 2008, 5:46pm »
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Yes, never say the words " XXXX railway never did XXX"...you will almost always be proven wrong. I think I've only done it once, on here anyway..stating that no CP C424 ever touched the rails of the E&N...but have been waiting for something to surface ever since;)...remember, people swore for years that there was never an F-unit over there....
 
By that time in 86, there would have been around 40 unrebuilt GP9's left...they seemed to make an effort to keep only the 26L brake(newest) equipped ones on the island by then.


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