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CroftonSpur88
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 25th, 2005, 4:32am »
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Ex BCOL hopper being switched at Top Shelf,mid September 2004


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« Reply #41 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 1:34am »
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Geeze...I never thought of putting these here until now, I've already posted these in the CP discussion under "preserved CP equipment".  Here is an ex CP flat car sans number alive and well resting at the Fort Steele Heritage Park in the Kootenays with obvious ties to the E&N.

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Mark J
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« Reply #42 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 1:38am »
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A close up of what is stenciled on the car... Guess this actually meant something back in the day.

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Mark J
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« Reply #43 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 1:40am »
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One more interesting close up...
 
(Appologies for double posting these)


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« Reply #44 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 2:25am »
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"do not move these off Vancouver Island" why was this flatcar not allowed to leave the island?

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« Reply #45 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 11:11am »
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Nice Pix, Mark J. Is there a "1936" cast into the wheel of the last picture?

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Mark J
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« Reply #46 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 2:19pm »
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Brandon my guess is that this was one of the idlers used at Wellcox to load and unload the barge and thus probably wasn't used as a revenue car all that often.  Just a guess though, not positive.
 
I will check on the original picture what is cast on the inside of the wheels when I have time.


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« Reply #47 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 7:51pm »
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If that white spray-paint  stencil lettering was applied in May1957 (as stated by the stencil), it sure is better paint than the crud they sell us today.   Must have lots of lead and arsenic in it!    Or it has been re-touched by a museum staff member with and eye for detail.

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« Reply #48 on: Mar 7th, 2006, 8:25pm »
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It must have been retouched. Equipment we stencil at work looks that good for about 30 seconds after taking it out into the field.After that, pretty much toast.
 
Maybe  BIT  of an exageration, but you get the point


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« Reply #49 on: Mar 8th, 2006, 11:32pm »
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That flat car I believe wouldnt be allowed to leave the island as it has plain bearings, by AAR standards cars with plain bearings are a violation of AAR rules, or are not permitted for inetnetchange with other railways which would explain why it wasnt allowed to leave the island....but as to how it got to Fort Steele....

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« Reply #50 on: Mar 9th, 2006, 4:53am »
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The casting appears to have only the numbers 836, so this wouldn't be a date.  I'll have to have a better look at it next time I'm there.  
 
As for the plain bearings, you are right, it is a restricted car.  On all of the older rolling stock you might have noticed an "R" stenciled somewhere on the side of these cars.  I've asked one of our carmen about this and he said that years ago they had to stencil the cars that didn't meet the standard and could only be used for domestic service.  This only applies to interchange to the states but within Canada they are interchangable with certain restrictions having to do with marshalling (placemant within a train).  So this would count it out as to why it wouldn't be able to leave the island being that the E&N was a division of the CPR system.  It could be too that this was a gang car, or OCS car as they are refferred to.  Quite often you see cars such as steele ancor gonds with "return to (wherever)" stencilled on them.  (CP 417XXX)
 
Answering the questions regarding the paint, it has to be all original.  It is very doubtful that the staff at Fort Steele would repaint this kind of detail rather than omitting it since the park is far removed from the island.  The decking on the car has been updated, I think the RR staff at the park still use this car when working on the track at the park.  The paint the railway uses is very durable, I've seen many cars with original letering on them many years after it was applied.
 
One thing I found puzzling is the lack of a car number...
 
Check out this water car that was at Wellcox in 1998.  In the summer I believe it used to be required that all trains have a water car in front of the caboose during fire season.  Can anyone attest to this?


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OCS cars are interesting being that they are usually very old, most cars that have been scrapped can still be found behind a Brant truck or on a work train, or parked somewhere in the back 40 of rail yards on an old team track or something.  These cars were at Parksville during the summer of 1990.  Isn't that a cool old tank car?  It looks like the tank could have been an old boiler, possibly from a steam engine.

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on Mar 9th, 2006, 4:53am, Mark J wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 In the summer I believe it used to be required that all trains have a water car in front of the caboose during fire season.  Can anyone attest to this?

 
Yes, in summer months, the E&N trains had firecars that sprinkled the line behind the train.
 
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 In the summer I believe it used to be required that all trains have a water car in front of the caboose during fire season.  Can anyone attest to this?

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Yes, in summer months, the E&N trains had firecars that sprinkled the line behind the train.
 

 
Any idea when this was no longer required?  Having lived next to the line in the late 70's and early 80's, I can not remember (although it might have happened) seeing the tanker in front of the caboose.  Although I can remember this.............
 
At Ladysmith BC:
 
 


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  [snipped]    It looks like the tank could have been an old boiler, possibly from a steam engine.

 
I've been told those fittings on the end of the tank were for steam heat to warm the thick oil in the tank and make it flow for unloading - so these tanks would have been  built that way, not recycled boilers etc as it might seem.


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Ok that makes sense as to why there would be fittings on the end of the tank.  I wonder if any of these type cars are left on the island, or left anywhere period...

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Hey Mark, have you seen or have pics of the fire cars that were used on the E&N? they were old steam locomotive tenders and were even lettered fire car i dont know if the same practice was used on the mainland or not.  
Some of the former E&N water tank cars are still here on the island and are lettered ENR, they are stored at Wellcox and in the dry season some are spotted at locations on the line, CP did the same practice as well as using water cars on both freight and work trains, do not know when they stopped doing this but i know for sure they  were still using water cars on freights after the caboose was dropped, sometimes it was the only car on the Victoria turn after leaving Duncan.


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« Reply #57 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 9:57am »
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This is more like rolling stock I would like to see on the E&N
 
I found this site by accident but it has some great passenger cars.  The American Association of Private Railcar Owners is pretty self explanitory.  
 
Check it out
 
www.aaprco.com


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A couple of interesting cars at Wellcox this week.  First: Dust control, now empty, from Duncan.

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Second pic: An empty Hopper from Top Shelf

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