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alanlill
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« Reply #500 on: Jan 16th, 2017, 11:34pm »
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It is great to see more of Elwood White's pictures so Thanks Jamie and also thanks to Dave for reposting his tour of the line from Point Ellice west near the end of service. I have been continuing to assemble material for a Point Ellice in CN LINES and the latest tidbit I have for discussion on this thread is one of the scans made by Les Kozma of the 1936 record plan of trackage in Victoria. Les did not scan a continuous set but did cover the wye at MP 1.6 Cowichan Sub and Point Ellice yard and most of the track to the E and N interchange including the small yard next to Johnston Street. I will post more of them if there is interest.
You will note a number of interesting things on the 1936 record plan for the yard attached including the names and function of all the tracks in the yard, an outline of the station, original freight house and customs office in the upper yard. The motor coach track is still labeled as such although that service was gone for years by then. Cheers Al Lill


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« Reply #501 on: Jan 17th, 2017, 1:57am »
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Fascinating stuff, Alan. Anything more you have, please do post

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« Reply #502 on: Jan 17th, 2017, 12:38pm »
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July, 1955  approx mile 5.9, Cowichan Sub  [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Work Extra 2104 with ballast cars, is eastbound under the new Colwood overpass.


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« Reply #503 on: Jan 17th, 2017, 4:46pm »
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Awesome shot. That's probably fill from the Colwood ballast pit bound to fill in the approaches to the Colquitz trestle, if I had to guess.

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Awesome shot. That's probably fill from the Colwood ballast pit bound to fill in the approaches to the Colquitz trestle, if I had to guess.

Good call, Emily.  July, 1955, mile 2.4 Cowichan Sub, [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]  
 
Work Extra 2104 filling in approaches to the Colquitz trestle.


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« Reply #505 on: Jan 19th, 2017, 1:34pm »
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Map of Deerholme yard [CNR]  created and drawn by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters

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Sept 29, 1958, mile 2.4 Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Brand new CNR GMD1's leading westbound Train 585 over the Colquitz trestle. They hadn't yet received their spark arrestors which were much needed on Vancouver Island.


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Sept 29, 1958, mile 2.4 Cowichan Subdivision [photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Brand new CNR GMD1's leading westbound Train 585 over the Colquitz trestle. They hadn't yet received their spark arrestors which were much needed on Vancouver Island.

 
Thanks Jamie for this awesome shot. What is the earliest shot you have of GMD1s on Vancouver Island with spark arrestors?  Another PE map attached from 1936 record plan. AL


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Thanks Jamie for this awesome shot. What is the earliest shot you have of GMD1s on Vancouver Island with spark arrestors?  Another PE map attached from 1936 record plan. AL

 
Alan, to answer your question about spark arrestors, here it is,
December 22, 1964, Mile 81.9 Cowichan Subdivision [Photo by Dave Wilkie, used by permission of Michael Wilkie, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Timetable train # 889 [Deerholme to Youbou ]switching cars at the big mill at Youbou.
According to the October 1964 timetable, Train 889 arrives at Youbou at 14.20 and departs as Train 890 at 18.00 [no regular trains to Victoria on the timetable any more ]


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« Reply #509 on: Jan 21st, 2017, 1:08pm »
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Wow Alan those maps are great!
 
Have you got higher resolution copies that could be emailed?
 
It is really encouraging that new contributors are still appearing and dropping great content onto this forum!
 
These CN pictures are great! I have vague memories of that overpass at the colwood exit before that area got rebuilt.  
 
EDIT: Jamie, you snuck that great photo in while I was typing this reply, fantastic!
 
-Andrew


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I have a pdf from Les Kozma which has his 5 scans of part of the 1936 record plan which I will attach to an email if anyone requests it from me. I am looking for feedback on these plans and especially pictures of structures which were gone by 1950s at Point Ellice such as original freight house and station shown on the 1936 record plan. The attachment shows the E and N interchange but these is a little gap between this scan and the one I sent previously. Note the little yard where the CNR Johnston Street Freight house was later built. AL

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March 25, 1957, Tidewater Subdivision [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
2128 steaming towards Deerholme [southbound by timetable direction] passing through the Glenora neighborhood of the Duncan region.


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March, 1956, mile 51.1 Cowichan Subdivision, [Photo by Elwood White, collection of Jamie Masters ]
 
Elwood's view from the caboose of the 2141's Train 585, as it slowly rumbled across the  
mighty Koksilah River trestle.


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on Jan 21st, 2017, 4:24pm, alanlill wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I have a pdf from Les Kozma which has his 5 scans of part of the 1936 record plan which I will attach to an email if anyone requests it from me. I am looking for feedback on these plans and especially pictures of structures which were gone by 1950s at Point Ellice such as original freight house and station shown on the 1936 record plan. The attachment shows the E and N interchange but these is a little gap between this scan and the one I sent previously. Note the little yard where the CNR Johnston Street Freight house was later built. AL

 
 
Hello Alan, I sent you a private message with my email address.
 
This forum isn't great at notifying of new PMs; up at the top of the page, on the left, should be some text that reads "alanlill, you have # messages." If you click on that it should show the message(s).
 
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Interesting stuff about the E&N and CN on Vancouver Island from the summer of 1975.
It was both the time when CP attempted to abandon service north of Parksville on the Victoria Sub, and when CN resumed rail service east of Deerholme [to as far south as Leechtown]after they had carried out government ordered repairs to the Koksilah River trestle thanks to an official complaint made by the R.Hughes Pole Company based at Leechtown [service had ceased east of Deerholme in March of 1973] http://www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no286_1975.pdf [pg 30]


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What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.

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What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.

Yes, that so-called conflict of interest was a damned shame,  there was no question what was the safest way to transport military armaments, but that salient point couldn't even be raised in the abandonment hearings because of the rules. BTW, I do believe the Hutchinson Cove trestle in addition to the Grouse Nest trestle, would have needed repairs to bring it back in line with safety standards.


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« Reply #517 on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 9:31pm »
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Fantastic photos and maps.  Thank-you all for sharing.

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What I've heard is that had DND been permitted to testify in the abandonment hearings, repairs to the Grouse Nest trestle would also have been made in '75 and service would have resumed to Metchosin through the 1970s and possibly into the early 80s. (Lombard Pre-Cast Cement was coming on line around '73 and could also have been a potential customer if service had resumed.) But because DND was a branch of the same government that was being petitioned for the abandonment by CN, they weren't allowed to say anything due to "conflict of interest" and thus it appeared to the abandonment committee that there were no customers south of Leechtown save for the Antrobus Poleyard.

That has got to be one of the weirdest pieces of non-logic I have ever heard.  I would have thought the needs of the military would have been a strong argument for keeping the line in service.  That has been used for some minor lines in the states, and seems to be considered valid.  


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August, 1978, Point Ellice Yard  Photo by Darryl Muralt, collection of Jamie Masters
 
CN switcher 7156 had the Victoria yard job duty in this photo, and Trojan Steel was also occupying space at Point Ellice during that now long ago summer.



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