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Lester
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« on: Mar 19th, 2015, 7:43am »
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First and foremost, this is a totally recreational, non commercial in anyway project. I just like having a T shirt for these things.
 
I organise for my chums what appear to be ridiculously complex railway trips, but which are in fact meticulously planned excursions. My latest project is to New York for a few days this September. We  will be traversing the NYC transit network, convening on Weds 9th Sept and departing on Sunday 13th. We will be crossing each and every rail connection (MTA, PATH, LIRR, and mainline) on and off Manhattan once and only once (the title is an homage to the glorious mathematician Leonard Euler). We will also cross virtually every ferry and also both pedestrian only bridges and there will be plenty of eating at classic diners and dellies. We're going to a Yankees game on 9/11. (we all have a particular reason for commemorating 9/11 which I wont labour you with here, I am sure you all have 9/11 reflections of your own).
 
I am posting mainly because I know at least some of you will surely dig the idea. I have never set foot in New York, and so while I have had help from a number of natives, I am happy for any input anyone may have. If anyone wants to meet up at any point during this, especially as a railfan who can tell us a bit about this epic system of yours, you are most welcome. We will be lunching at Bendix Diner in Terterbro, Leibmans Deli in Bronx, and Cuban Eatery in Brooklyn, and going out in south Manhattan each evening.
 
I have a site of sorts here with a few scribblings, as said this is purely a hobby, I do loads of these things.
http://projectkonigsberg.wordpress.com
 
I think there's only one Manhattan to somewhere rail ink we've missed which is the Amtrak line to Yonkers at the source of the Harlem which was too much effort, and money frankly, to bother with. You can also split hairs about some of the MTA Harlem crossings with multiple tunnels, and we're missing half of F via Roosevelt. I may try and fix the latter, it will mean getting a bus off the other side of Roosevelt (you are only allowed to do any specific crossing once and once only), but we may just do that on the way back to JFK on Sunday.
 
We've still got to work out some interesting breakfast to go options, a cool place for a coffee on Coney,  and I'm sure there's a donut here or a bagel there that we might be able to squeeze into the schedule.
 
Regards
Mark (a Britisher)


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« Reply #1 on: Mar 19th, 2015, 1:12pm »
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Mark,
 
Very interesting!  I might just see if I can't drop in for a bit of the riding.  And as someone who lives in NY City and has done every line, should you have any questions please feel free to drop me a line.
 
One thought I had looking at your map, and I'm not quite sure how you could fit it in with your once only rule, but did you look at riding the LIRR Far Rockaway branch to the end.  From there, a short 3 block walk brings one to the subway's A line Far Rockaway station.
 
It's a neat trip that uses what used to be all LIRR trackage many years ago.  The A line in that area was originally LIRR track and the two now separate lines used to be one continuous line.


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Alan,

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Lester
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 19th, 2015, 1:32pm »
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Hi Alan,
  Thanks, this is just the kind of stuff I was hoping for. I've got quite a bit of duping on line 1 I think down the side of the park so I ought to fix that as it's the only part that is. So I'll look at this far rockaway which I've seen before and try and jiggle things about. We use road etc to make things doable. We aren't doing all the road bridges and no road tunnels but I want to do all the regularly serviced rail. Either way you can't do the same crossing twice.  
You are most welcome to turn up. We're going to rent a flat probably in East Village.  
 


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« Reply #3 on: Mar 25th, 2015, 6:13am »
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I am back on this again. Of course Rockaway is off Long Island, it's nothing to do with the Bronx. I also thought I'd discovered an entire new line down manhatttan, but the 2nd ave subway isnt quite ready (great wiki page).
The current plan is line A its entire length down to Rockaway, and we can only really justify the run once, so it's really which is the better ride ?. I guess it might even be significantly quicker to change mid town and get the LIRR right round the back of JFK. Of course I will then have a sequence of issues as I was doing that LIRR back from Woodside in the other direction later on, but thats all part of the fun.
Ah, the problem is frequency. They are at best once an hour which makes timing an issue/risk, but worse there's a 2 hour gap in the middle of the afternoon, right when we'd want to go.
 
But thanks. if there's any other stuff, in particular groovy stations or overhead sections that you arent sure are on and you think really should be, please suggest.  


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« Reply #4 on: Mar 26th, 2015, 9:30am »
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I've made a few changes to the route. The plan is a lot nicer round the upper east area and we also end up at wakefield and back. It means that we're doing Park Avenue Bridge twice, once either way on different days. Oviously we could just get off and bus it but as we arent doing the lovely Spuyten bridge the once and once only is only a driver, none of my trips are ever quite strict enough for some record. Though I am now tempted to revisit the plan for rockaway, as if we came via far rockaway  I think we'd be covering the furthest points of the MTA  north south east and west, not inc staten though we will ride it from the ferry  over to the bridge back.
So we're now just tying up the evenings. We need a real deal NYC pizza somewhere in south manhattan. I know there must be 101 places, but if you have a particular favourite you want to recommend please say so.  
One definite meet up point will be the GC Oyster bar on 9/11 about 5pm prior to getting the Metro North to Yankee Stadium. There will be quite a few extras at that who arent going to be doing all the trains but want to enjoy the evening socialising.


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« Reply #5 on: Apr 2nd, 2015, 11:27am »
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I have listed all the tickets I think we need to be buying. The MetroCard at $30 is sensational value. Few of the others, apart from the ride from Woddside to Penn, are that bad either. What I would like to do is buy as much, if not all of these, in advance so we arent mucking about getting tickets on the day in rush hours etc. As I understand it we can add the PATH tickets onto the MetroCard. We also seem to be able to by NY Waterways in advance via some magic mobile phone system called MyTix. But what about Metro North, LIRR, HBLR, and NJ Transit trains.  Which of these, if any, can be added to MetroCard or done with MyTix, or what other options are there for getting these sorted on Wednesday night.  
 
MTA
MetroCard - $30
 
Metro North
Wakefield to GC - $13
 
LIRR
Woodside to Penn $8.25
 
PATH
Newark Penn to Exchange - $2.75
 
Newport to WTC $2.75
33rd St to Hoboken - $2.75
 
HBLR
Exchange - Darnforth - $2.10
 
NJ Transit
NY Penn to Newark Penn - $5.00
Hoboken to Teterbro - $4.75
Bus 161 Teterbro to PA Terminal - $7.00
 
NY Waterways
Port Liberte - Pier 11 - $10
Mid-Town to Newport - $8
Long Island - Pier 11 - $4
 
 
Total = $100,.35
 


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