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O. WINSTON LINK esq.
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« Reply #40 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:06am »
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  Hi, Walt: Thanks again for some more fascinating trivia on Philly traction. "Ugliest cars on the system"? IMHO, that "compliment" is best bestowed upon SEPTA's Kawasaki cars, used on the old Red Arrow and Subway-Surface lines. It is bad enough they are so darn boxy, but, with SEPTA's almost non-existant colors adorning them, they seem little more to me than electrified white shoeboxes. At least, the old "Hog Islands" LOOKED like piece of classic traction equipment, and NOT a box on rails! Guess the old saying is true: "One man's trash is another's treasure".....that's probably what makes life so fascinating!
  John


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O. WINSTON LINK esq.
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« Reply #41 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:09am »
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   Speaking of classic Philly traction equipment, check out this 1960s view of a double-ended Brillliner en route to 69th St. (note the circa-1963 Chrysler product at left, bringing up the rear!) http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?52627

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« Reply #42 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 3:29pm »
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 A sleek St. Louis-built car, seen here way back in 1970, is about to resumer her run to Sharon Hill. Cars like this truly had a sense of sleekness and style, something totally lacking in today's humdrum equipment: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16731

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« Reply #43 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 4:08pm »
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on Sep 8th, 2007, 10:06am, O. WINSTON LINK esq. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
  Hi, Walt: Thanks again for some more fascinating trivia on Philly traction. "Ugliest cars on the system"? IMHO, that "compliment" is best bestowed upon SEPTA's Kawasaki cars, used on the old Red Arrow and Subway-Surface lines. It is bad enough they are so darn boxy, but, with SEPTA's almost non-existant colors adorning them, they seem little more to me than electrified white shoeboxes. At least, the old "Hog Islands" LOOKED like piece of classic traction equipment, and NOT a box on rails! Guess the old saying is true: "One man's trash is another's treasure".....that's probably what makes life so fascinating!
  John

  
   Architecturally, the Hogs were simply a double ended version of the Nearside Cars, and were almost identical in appearance to the other double ended post 1911 conventional cars built by Brill for the PRT ( the 5000 and 5200 series cars). The Red Arrow altered the large route number sign box that was characteristic of the post 1911 PRT/PTC cars, but otherwise did not change the cars' appearance very much. No one ever accused the pre-PCC Philadelphia streetcars of being good looking cars,---- the design was intended to make it possible to cram as many passengers into a car as was physically possible---- which the PRT/ PTC did.
 
     The appearance of the present Kawasaki LRVs is derived from the rather boxy appearance of the classic European Tram--- not nearly as asthetically pleasing as the several designs used in the U.S. during the heyday of the traction car.


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O. WINSTON LINK esq.
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« Reply #44 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 5:44pm »
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 Hi, Walt:  The newest types of trams in Europe today either resemble boxes on rails, or giant, mutated insects.  Though many of the older-style trams were indeed boxy, they still had a pleasing basic design, further accentuated by handsome body paint. And, of course, many cities in Europe operated (or still operate) trams that were clearly inspired by the All-American PCC! Some truly magnificent cars rumbled through the narrow, ancient streets of many a European city!  John

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« Reply #45 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 5:47pm »
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  These handsome Dutch PCC's certainly would not look at all out of place, bursting from the cool, ozone-scented blackness of the 40th St. subway-surface portal!! http://www.nycsubway.org/eu/nl/hague.html

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« Reply #46 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 5:52pm »
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 Here are two examples of both past and present Red Arrow equipment; it is easy to see just how much traction designs have changed in the decades that lie between the construction of these two types of cars: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16704  http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69026

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« Reply #47 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 8:02pm »
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Here's a link to a story I posted in the SEPTA forum.  Apparently, PennDOT, not SEPTA, is reinstalling the tracks and wires on Germantown Avenue.  Strange move, especially after SEPTA themselves took out the same.

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« Reply #48 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:22pm »
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   GP72ACe: Thanks for posting the link; as you and I BOTH know, if SEPTA can sabatoge anything, they will. Hopefully, they will keep thier hounds at bay and let something positive happen for Philly traction.  John

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« Reply #49 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:37pm »
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     This old pic is truly a nostalgic Philly-area classic: Here we see at Ardmore Jct., a Strafford car above on the P&W while a sleek St. Louis double-ender zips along below. This long-ago scene fairly BEGS to be modeled! Ahhh, the good old days! http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16733

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« Reply #50 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:44pm »
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      Late in the PTC era, we see several PCC's awaiting their departure times at Richmond/Westmoreland. This was a time when PCC's were still commonplace sights in many Philly neighborhoods. There was just something about a PCC that could bring a smile to the face of a traction buff! http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?72542

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« Reply #51 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:42am »
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       Back in 1982, we see an "All Electric" PCC, decked out in "Gulf Oil" paint, emerging triumphantly from the subway portal at 40th St. http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?45013

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« Reply #52 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:46am »
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   Nope, this train does NOT go to the Loop!!  Years ago, some ex-CTA 6000's found themselves running on former P&W rails out of 69th St. This picture truly evokes strong images of the El in Chicago! http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?69073

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« Reply #53 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:50am »
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   The legendary "Bullets", were, perhaps, the most famous of all Philly traction cars. This nostalgic scene at 69th St. reminds us of a time not so very long ago, when traction buffs could head for Philly and hop aboard these handsome, rougish electrics: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?52141

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« Reply #54 on: Oct 29th, 2007, 5:44pm »
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I'm sure many if not most of you know this, but the only trolley line that is surface-only, entirely within Philly (and uses "PCC II" rehabbed heritage cars), is the no. 15, most of which line runs on Girard.  
 
Good times!  And perhaps one small improvement.  The PCC II generation has air-conditioning.


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« Reply #55 on: Oct 30th, 2007, 9:38pm »
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 9:23am, silver_champion wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I don't know the date of this picture. Its the Darby Terminal. Some of  
the building are still standing, The large building is nolonger standing.

 
Just saw this message---- the photo dates from the late 1930's- early 1940's. Note that some of the cars are operating on Route 12 which operated out of the Darby Terminal until it was bustituted in 1956 ( and truncated to a western terminus at 50th & Woodland-outside of the Woodland Depot) Also, the sign ( "Streetcars to Philadelphia and Lansdowne")--- the Lansdowne cars were Birney Cars operating on Route 78-- between Darby and the Yeadon-Lansdowne Line at Fairview and Wycombe Aves. ( I grew up a half block from Wycombe Ave. in Yeadon and rode the bus successors on Route 78 almost daily until 1967). Route 78 was bustituted circa 1949, and, in the 1950's was extended through Yeadon to 52nd & Baltimore Ave. in West Philadelphia. SEPTA eliminated Route 78 in favor of an extended Route 46 ( 63rd & Malvern to Darby), then cut the 46 back to its earlier West Philadelphia terminus ( 58th & Baltimore) thus eliminating all service on what was once Route 78.


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on Sep 8th, 2007, 10:37pm, O. WINSTON LINK esq. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This old pic is truly a nostalgic Philly-area classic: Here we see at Ardmore Jct., a Strafford car above on the P&W while a sleek St. Louis double-ender zips along below. This long-ago scene fairly BEGS to be modeled! Ahhh, the good old days! http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16733

 
 
What, if anything, remains of this structure?


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on Oct 31st, 2007, 11:58am, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
What, if anything, remains of this structure?

 
 The "house" has been gone since the late 1950's. The Red Arrow did a fairly extensive rebuilding of P&W's stations during that period, replacing many ( but not all) of the wooden structures with brick, concrete and steel. The original ( 1972 ) version of  Ronald DeGraw's The Red Arrow ( the version which goes all the way to the SEPTA takeover and includes the P&W) has a two page photo of the same location, facing the same direction. on pages 355 & 356. This photo was taken during a major snow storm on Christmas Eve (my birthday!) 1966 ( just prior to the bustitution of the Ardmore Rail Division). This time the P&W car is a Bullet Car, but the trolley is also a St. Louis Car. There is no house like structure in this photo, and there is a small stone Red Arrow shelter on the trolley line which does not appear in the photo John posted.


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Found myself driving EB on Girard last night around sunset, the perfect chance to photo some PCC-II action...


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One more...


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