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JhnZ33
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« Reply #60 on: Jan 3rd, 2007, 7:27pm »
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Chunk 2 a little further north.

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« Reply #61 on: Jan 3rd, 2007, 7:52pm »
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And a marked up topo map.  
 
ROW is traced in blue


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Josh U.
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« Reply #62 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 12:18am »
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Great work John! It looks great. But where did you get the close ups of the old view?
 
And man, how the route of 309 has changed...
 
 
Also, have you gotten the part to the terminal?
 
Oh, and is there any chance there is anything left of the newer cross over?
 
Sorry for all the quesitons. lol I'm excited now.


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JhnZ33
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« Reply #63 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 4:04am »
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on Jan 4th, 2007, 12:18am, Josh U. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great work John! It looks great. But where did you get the close ups of the old view?

 
Both ariel photo chunks I posted were from the Penn Pilot website. Both routes are clearly visable in the photos.
 
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And man, how the route of 309 has changed...
 
 
Also, have you gotten the part to the terminal?

 
Yes sort of, I have downloaded the photos, when I get a chance, I will trace out the rest of the ROW to the terminal and post it.
 
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Oh, and is there any chance there is anything left of the newer cross over?

 
Highly unlikely as it is/would be located smack dab in the middle od Allen's scrapyard. Not saying it doesn't exist, but this area has gone through many changes in the way of topography. If it is still there it most likely is buried.
 
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Sorry for all the quesitons. lol I'm excited now.

 
No problem Josh, I'm just exited to find this new information.
 
John


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Josh U.
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Re: Wilkes-Barre and Hazleton Railway Stations
 
« Reply #64 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 11:34am »
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Hmm, when I tried that Penn Pilot website, it didn't seem to be as close up as yours are. It worked well for the areas near Hazleton, like at Conyngham Gap, but when I tried at Wilkes-Barre, it was so small, I couldn't see it.

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« Reply #65 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 12:28pm »
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Josh,
 
After you click in the county area you want to view hit "Display Historical Photo" then click on an orange dot, click "Add to my photos", click High Resolution, Wait for download until the expand button comes on in the lower right corner, then expand and pan.  Should provide a super close up view where you can see individual houses and even cars on Rt. 309.  
 
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« Reply #66 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 2:32pm »
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Just a small, unrelated question to the preceding discussion.  In the Quinby book, he provides photos of the WB&H station before and after its conversion to a service station.  Do you know if this station still exists?
 
I ask because on North State Street, behind Pennsylvania Ave (North State Street is between the W-B Police HQ and the Luzerne County Courthouse Annex known as "Penn Place" I believe), there is a service garage that looks strikingly similar to the most recent photo in the book.  Though the book shows a garage with two doors, the garage on State Street has one (the center one), but on the left you can see where one door was closed with brick.  In addition, the roof like of the station follows the descending step pattern.  The last change is that in the book, the station is sided, but the current incarnation is brick.  But, the side windows appeared dead-on also.
 
This garage is located generally where the WB&H station would have been.
 
Am I on something here?  Or did I miss a post where this idea is dismissed?  


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« Reply #67 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 3:29pm »
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on Jan 4th, 2007, 2:32pm, AdamCKach wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Just a small, unrelated question to the preceding discussion.  In the Quinby book, he provides photos of the WB&H station before and after its conversion to a service station.  Do you know if this station still exists?
 
I ask because on North State Street, behind Pennsylvania Ave (North State Street is between the W-B Police HQ and the Luzerne County Courthouse Annex known as "Penn Place" I believe), there is a service garage that looks strikingly similar to the most recent photo in the book.  Though the book shows a garage with two doors, the garage on State Street has one (the center one), but on the left you can see where one door was closed with brick.  In addition, the roof like of the station follows the descending step pattern.  The last change is that in the book, the station is sided, but the current incarnation is brick.  But, the side windows appeared dead-on also.
 
This garage is located generally where the WB&H station would have been.
 
Am I on something here?  Or did I miss a post where this idea is dismissed?  

 
Adam, as far as I knew, the terminal building is/was located on Pennsylvania Ave. This is one area I've never checked out personally though, so I could be mistaken.


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« Reply #68 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 5:25pm »
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John,
 
I always thought it was on Pennsylvania Ave, too.  I assumed that the current position of Penn Place likely destroyed it.  But, this garage looked much like the photograph.
 
Has Pennsylvania Ave's route changed at all over time?  And do you (anyone) have any idea when Genetti's structure was built?  I'm wondering if Pennsylvania Ave changed its alignment slightly over time, thus "pushing" back the garage.
 
Alternatively, perhaps the structure was moved back instead of being demolished?


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on Jan 4th, 2007, 5:25pm, AdamCKach wrote:       (Click here for original message)
John,
 
I always thought it was on Pennsylvania Ave, too.  I assumed that the current position of Penn Place likely destroyed it.  But, this garage looked much like the photograph.
 
Has Pennsylvania Ave's route changed at all over time?  And do you (anyone) have any idea when Genetti's structure was built?  I'm wondering if Pennsylvania Ave changed its alignment slightly over time, thus "pushing" back the garage.
 
Alternatively, perhaps the structure was moved back instead of being demolished?

 
Good questions Adam. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you.  
 
Sounds like a closer investigation is in order. I'll do some research and see what I could come up with.
 
 
John


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« Reply #70 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 8:29pm »
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Hi Guys and Dixie,
 
I see another Quimby WB&H paperback on E-Bay.  Item #220066761256.  $10.99 Free shipping.  1 day left.  
 
Hazleton's Trolleys by Rohrbeck are also on E-Bay.  $22.
 
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« Reply #71 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 9:09pm »
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on Jan 4th, 2007, 7:59pm, JhnZ33 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Good questions Adam. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you.  
 
Sounds like a closer investigation is in order. I'll do some research and see what I could come up with.
 
 
John

 
John,
 
Sounds good.  I did the drive-by (and go-around with another drive-by) before coming back to Philadelphia and without my camera nearby (it was packed in the suitcase).  I am kicking myself now.


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« Reply #72 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 9:34pm »
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Ok, the ROW from G-town to the terminal.
 
One thing I notice here is that the ROW crosses over the CNJ Nanticoke branch near where the Thrift outlet store that sits on 309 today, across from Wegmans.
 
In fact, you can still see part of the abutment today right behind the Thrift store. I've always seen the old "wall" back there, but never knew what it was, until now.


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Josh U.
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« Reply #73 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 10:45pm »
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on Jan 4th, 2007, 12:28pm, Old Guy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Josh,
 
After you click in the county area you want to view hit "Display Historical Photo" then click on an orange dot, click "Add to my photos", click High Resolution, Wait for download until the expand button comes on in the lower right corner, then expand and pan.  Should provide a super close up view where you can see individual houses and even cars on Rt. 309.  
 
Old Guy

 
Ah, that could be why I couldn't see it that well...
 
Thanks Craig.


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« Reply #74 on: Jan 4th, 2007, 10:49pm »
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on Jan 4th, 2007, 9:34pm, JhnZ33 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ok, the ROW from G-town to the terminal.
 
One thing I notice here is that the ROW crosses over the CNJ Nanticoke branch near where the Thrift outlet store that sits on 309 today, across from Wegmans.
 
In fact, you can still see part of the abutment today right behind the Thrift store. I've always seen the old "wall" back there, but never knew what it was, until now.

 
Awesome work John. I'm pretty anxious to get up there and have a look now. I've only got a week left before I start up school again, after all.


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Here is some pictures of what I saw when I found the new insulator the other day.
 
When I walked back into the woods, I saw this long timber, which may have been a transmission line pole, but I can't tell. If so, this may be the base of it in the lower right corner. I have reason to believe it was a pole and not a tree because of a metal bar attached to it (which is circled, but hard to see in the pic), with a metal wire attached to it.
 
However, due to the placement of it, even if that is a pole, that may not be its base.


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This one I am sure is the bottom of a transmission line pole (the one on the far right). The insulator on the bottom left is the one now in my possession. The damage you see on the top is the only damage it has sustained.

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And lastly, this is the two insulators, the closer one being the more damaged one. The arrow points to the bottom of the pole from the previous picture.

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JhnZ33
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« Reply #78 on: Jan 5th, 2007, 10:33pm »
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Heck of a find there Josh. Nice photos as well.

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« Reply #79 on: Jan 6th, 2007, 11:00pm »
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Thanks John. There's still some photos to come once I clean it and such.

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