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steamlocoengineer
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #140 on: Sep 23rd, 2008, 7:51pm »
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Tubes aren't the problem.  The issues are with the trailing truck.  It will be sorted out this winter.

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #141 on: Sep 26th, 2008, 11:36pm »
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The good news to report on 2317 is that she is back on the rails, back under steam and back in action.  Yesterday and today, she headed up the Scranton Limited trains, and will continue over the weekend.

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #142 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 9:34pm »
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January, 2009 update
Happy New Year.    With holidays over, everyone is back to work, ready to take on the challenge of a new season. During this past week, CP no. 2317 was brought to the shop for her annual inspection.  Parts were coming off today.  Tubing for air lines and lubricators or the gauges are being set on a table for cleaning, inspection, repair and whatever else.  Perhaps steamlocoengineer can give more info on the trailing truck work, since I haven't heard the specifics on what will be tackled on top of the usual steam chest and steam dome inspections.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #143 on: May 4th, 2009, 5:25pm »
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Hi everyone! I have a question about 2317, and I'm new here, so I don't know if anyone has answered it yet. My question is, is 2317 wearing a different whistle? The last time I saw her was Sept. 1, 2008, right after Railfest 2008. It did not sound like her normal whistle at all(I think you all know what I'm talking about). Can anyone confirm if she is wearing a different whistle? And if so, for how long? Thanks, and again, great to be here!
 
-Max


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Bruce_Mowbray
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #144 on: May 5th, 2009, 12:32pm »
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Max
 
No change in whistle. Same as last year.
 
Bruce


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #145 on: May 5th, 2009, 5:05pm »
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Phew, good. I didn't think it sounded right last year, and was nervous it was a different whistle....thanks!
 
-Max


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #146 on: May 5th, 2009, 8:33pm »
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It could be just a different engineer.  Each engineman prides himself on having a different signature when blowing a whistle. Weather conditions and locomotive speed also affect the sound. I often lose track of which engine is running when all I hear is the whistle.  
 
Good question Max, and welcome back to the board, Bruce!
 


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Max Hamberger
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #147 on: May 5th, 2009, 8:51pm »
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Thanks! In an interesting side note, I emailed Steamtown about an accident 2317 may have had during her time at Steamtown. It's pretty interesting, and I thought I'd share it all with you:
 
Here is what the guy I emailed was sent by one of his co-workers:  
 
Bill,
 
There is nothing in the historic files regarding this accident, though
Chappell does mention a number of problems with the locomotive in the early
years of Steamtown USA in Scranton.
 
I cc'd Chris Ahrens and Willie S. on this.  I am sure if anyone might be
familiar with this particular incident, they would be.
_________________________________________________________
Then, someone else replied to the cc:
 
In response to your query:
There were two incidents within the area of interest that Mr. Hemberger
refers to.
 
1.  Was an occasion where a few of the firebar fingers on one finger bearer
 broke allowing fire to drop into he ashpan.  The crew found some tie
plates
or angle bars on the right-of-way and used them to "plug the hole" to get
the
engine back to the terminal.
 
2,  The other incident occurred roughly as follows:
An engine crew working a passenger extra eastbound (beyond Gouldsboro)
was experiencing difficulty making steam.   After a bit of investigating,
it was
determined (later) that one of the stoker jet gauges was not reading
correctly
and the fireman unknowingly over compensated for the problem causing a
large build up of fire bed at the front of the firebox, resulting in
"plugging the arch".
 
In order to correct this, they stopped and shook the grates to reduce the
amount
of fire at the front of the firebox.   This of course put alot of fire into
the ash pan.
If this was done more than once is unknown.
 
Now are the unfortunate points.  As a background, all of our road power is
equipped with ash pan flushing piping.  Two mistakes occurred.  Neither of
the engine crew got down to look at the ash pan to see how high the fire
was
in the ash pan and the ash pan flush was not used nor was the ash pan
dumped.
 
Now it is usually frowned upon to dump an ash pan on the main line.  But
with
the ashpan flush system, the pan could be dumped safely without fear of
starting ties on fire.
 
So, the mistake that the road crew made by not correctly accessing  the
situation was by the time they arrived back at the home terminal, about 75%
of the grate bearers, fingers, the center bearer and the connecting rods
had
been over heated, warped and not useable and had to be replaced.
 
Needless to say, the engine crew was embarrassed and did receive
punishment for an unfortunate lack of thought.
 
There is nothing really historically significant about this, in that it
would not be
recorded as a major event in the life of 2317.  This engine has had far
worse
happen to it whilst working on the CPR.   This was not a common 'happening'
when steam was in regular service.  But when it did occur, the engine crews
usually spent time out of service as 'atonement for their sins' (so to
speak).
 
By the way, at the time, most of the roundhouse and engine crews referred
to
this incident as - (ready for this?) Trainnoble.
 
Trust this explains what I believe is the situation Mr. Hemberger is
referring
to.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #148 on: May 25th, 2009, 8:05am »
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In todays local paper.
 
http://www.scrantontimes.com/news/1.34635
 
Quote:
 
Steamtown National Historic Site will take one of its two mainline steam locomotives out of service later this year for a federally mandated inspection and overhaul, leaving the park with a single operating steam engine until at least midway through the 2010 season.
 
With the sidelining of Canadian Pacific 2317, the site will make a hard push to complete the lengthy restoration of the Boston & Maine 3713 locomotive and to get its Baldwin 26 locomotive back into service, said Harold H. "Kip" Hagen Jr., Steamtown superintendent.
 
"We are starting to see daylight when we are going to have a stable of locomotives running out of here," Mr. Hagen said. "It's still a few years down the road."
 
Federal Railroad Administration regulations require operating steam locomotives to undergo a major inspection, which essentially involves stripping them down to the bare boiler, after 1,472 service days, Mr. Hagen said. Steamtown anticipates CP 2317 will hit that threshold and have to be removed from service sometime this fall.
 
That means another Canadian Pacific locomotive - 3254 - will be the only working steam engine at the site until the Baldwin 26 comes back into service, probably during the summer or fall of next year, Mr. Hagen said.
 
The Baldwin, a smaller engine used as a yard shuttle at the park, has been out of commission since it went into Steamtown's shops for an FRA-mandated inspection in 2000.
 
Major problems were discovered at that time, including a crack in the crown sheet on the back of the boiler.
 
Mr. Hagen said before Steamtown initiates any major work on CP 2317, it will focus its attention on finishing the restoration of Boston & Maine 3713.
 
The locomotive has been undergoing restoration at Steamtown since 1994 under a partnership agreement with the Lackawanna-Wyoming Valley chapter of the National Railway Historical Society. The volunteer, nonprofit organization has been performing work on the locomotive as it raises money.
 
The restoration of the Boston & Maine locomotive, which will cost well over $1 million "when it's all said and done," could be completed as early as 2011 or 2012 if everything goes well, Mr. Hagen said.
 
"That's barring any unforeseen circumstances," he said of the timetable. "Sometimes you find problems you didn't anticipate."
 
The park's long-range plan is to have three mainline locomotives - the Boston & Maine and the two Canadian Pacifics - in operational condition, he said.
 
"It just takes time, and it takes money," he said.
 


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #149 on: May 26th, 2009, 4:09pm »
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 I truly believe that steamtown is making the proper decision for 2317.  June 2007 was a very proud month for 2317 with her run to the Delware Water Gap and return.  It shall be sad to see her gone for awhile.

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« Reply #150 on: May 26th, 2009, 4:40pm »
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Lets hope that she makes it through in less than 10-12 years  

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #151 on: May 26th, 2009, 4:59pm »
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on May 26th, 2009, 4:09pm, violin1238 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 I truly believe that steamtown is making the proper decision for 2317.  June 2007 was a very proud month for 2317 with her run to the Delware Water Gap and return.  It shall be sad to see her gone for awhile.

 
We rode that excursion along with the East Stroudsburg excursion with #2317.  
Didn't know at the time it would be the last for who knows how long.  
 
What can they do? Its a mandated thing and they have to take her out of service. I caught a small video a month ago while we were at Steamtown and she didn't sound too good.  
 
Mike


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #152 on: Jun 18th, 2010, 7:16pm »
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As many of us have noticed, 2317's whistle has been different since late 2007/early 2008 (post-Railfest 2007). I was watching a video titled "steamtown 1985" (Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVL2GJbZnU, thanks to user yankinga for posting!) that features G5 1246. Around 2:03 she whistles, and it sounds eerily similar to the whistle 2317 is wearing now.....so that leads me to think the 17 is wearing the 46's whistle! Where the other whistle went, I'm not sure. Anyone else care to "chime in" on this one? (Yes, I know it's a fail pun   )
-Max


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« Reply #153 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 2:11pm »
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Here's a video I shot of the 2317 on Friday of the NRHS Convention. The video is also posted in the videos and NRHS Convention threads in the Steamtown Board.
 
Penn Rail Videos caught some of the last runs of Canadian Pacific #2317, as she only has 2 more days left on her boiler time. She will be going into a 15-year rebuild come September 2010, and we wanted to pay our respects to the locomotive by getting some great footage of her on the 'Scranton Limited' train rides. We'll even take a ride in the cab, as engineer Seth and fireman Don Young put on a good show for all those trackside. So come along and climb aboard with us, as we spend the day with Canadian Pacific G3c #2317. Your last chance to see her will be at this year's Lackawanna Railfest, where she'll run out her last two days of boiler time.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17MJaLP-3k
 
Enjoy the video. Get yours while you still can, before it's too late!
- Adam C.


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« Reply #154 on: Jul 8th, 2010, 3:45pm »
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Awesome Video Adam! A nice end to the 2317's service for a few years.(or decades )
 
I am so glad I got to see her run and get in her cab while I could.  
 
May she run again in my lifetime.
 
Anthony


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« Reply #155 on: Oct 20th, 2010, 5:18pm »
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Just gonna put this out there.  I saw a picture on railpictures.net of 2309, a sister of 2317.  She was painted all black, but the tender and the number plates along the boiler were maroon, like on 2816.  I don't know about anyone else, but I think 2317 would look really good like that when she comes back

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« Reply #156 on: Oct 20th, 2010, 8:08pm »
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I've always wanted to see her in Royal CP paint just once, maybe for a photo charter or something. Obviously, since she burns coal and not oil like 2816, it would be extremely hard to keep her clean while painted in that scheme. However, this scheme would do nice job of giving her that "extra" touch passenger engines often had that freight locomotives, such as 3254, did not. Something to think about....

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« Reply #157 on: Oct 21st, 2010, 2:04pm »
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I agree.  This style I saw was like they started to do the Royal scheme, but stopped short of painting the boiler.  The black and maroon combo was very nice

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« Reply #158 on: Oct 21st, 2010, 5:57pm »
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on Oct 21st, 2010, 2:04pm, restore_RV15 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I agree.  This style I saw was like they started to do the Royal scheme, but stopped short of painting the boiler.  The black and maroon combo was very nice

 
Yea, I found the pic too. I especially like the fact that the paint scheme gets carried over to the tender as well.


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« Reply #159 on: Oct 22nd, 2010, 2:24pm »
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Good looking Prairie.

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