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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #100 on: Aug 9th, 2007, 11:08pm »
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on Aug 8th, 2007, 6:55pm, Anthony_SRR wrote:       (Click here for original message)

It seems this is not steamtown’s year

 
You hit the nail right on the head. After all the progress they've made, it just doesn't seem fair that everything starts to break down now.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #101 on: Aug 17th, 2007, 12:33am »
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Its murphys law "anything that can go wrong will go wrong" i just cant wait to see the K-4 out of their way so they can have their full shop back. i think that the K-4 might be their "bad luck charm" they seemed to be doing pretty good untill that showed up  

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #102 on: Aug 29th, 2007, 11:58pm »
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August 2007 update. I got a chance to see the new work being done on 2317 today.  Both the pony truck and wheels and tender truck and wheels are disassembled, but the cracks in the pony truck frame are repaired, along with various repairs to shims and the balancers of the center pin frame.  Sorry if these terms aren't technically correct.  Anyway, a lot of work is being done, and the springs and frame are repainted black.  The pony truck wheels have been turned on the lathe.  The tender truck tires are replaced.  Bearings are being worked on.  It is amazing how thorough the workers are on this repair.

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #103 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 6:31pm »
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I know 2317 has had allot of problems with her trucks. Is it possible to just replace them?
 
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #104 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 10:45pm »
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on Aug 31st, 2007, 6:31pm, Anthony_SRR wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Is it possible to just replace them?
 
Anthony

Without trying to sound snide, the answer to your question would be, "Replace them with what?"  There are no spares around, and you can't just take another 4 wheel truck set from another steam engine expecting it to fit.  Also, the truck is more than just a metal frame with wheels.  The pony truck on 2317 is much more complicated in its makeup than a passenger car truck.  The seemingly light cast frame is helped with 4 heavy equalizers, plus heavy springs, plus the centering pin, and rockers to allow for sideways movement along with ups and downs.  This is also to let the loco handle super-elevated curves.  It might be smart to invest in a replacement truck, with new castings and parts, but that would be very costly, and still require a lot of time from the workers repairing what we have.  
 
By the way, the pony truck is back under the loco, as of Sept 1.  Trailing truck still being repaired as 3254 ran excursions to Moscow and Tobyhanna over the weekend.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #105 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 9:49pm »
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I was down at Steamtown and have some promising news on 2317. The shop crew is confident that the locomotive will be done in tim for testing this saturday. While I was there they installed the trailing truck wheel and were finishing work on the neccessary hardware for the truck, bearings, wear plates, and pins. They said they hope to complete these repairs by friday morning, re-attach the tender and fire up the locomotive by friday afternoon. So all looks promising for 2317 to make sundays excursion. As of now the consist includes at least 6 of steamtowns DL&W and CNJ comuter cars as well as LV business car 353. This trip is said to be steam solo no diesel assistance.
-Jim


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Some technical facts about GWR 2-10-0 #90
Built: June 1924
Builder: Baldwin Locomotive Works
Builders #: 57812
Class: 2-10-0 Light Decapod
Driver Diameter: 56 inches
Weight w/tender: 186 tons
Fuel: Coal 15 tons
Water: 9,000 Gallons
Sold to the SRR for over $35,000.00 in 1967
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #106 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 2:49pm »
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As I drove into work at the tower today (9/7) they were putting the engine and tender together, it looked like a fire-up was imminent.  
 
As far as the pony truck, if I remember correctly, the one the 2317 uses now was actually off the 2816.  The 2317's original pony truck was swapped out in the late 80's.  When CP came and repatriated the 2816, they had to find another pony truck for it, which they did in time for the move up north, as the original 2317 pony was under the 2816.  So there are actually two original pony trucks in the yard today.  I'm not sure how different their construction is, but the "original" 2317 truck is easily identified because  it has one cast and one spoked wheel.
 
I've said before the 2317 was a tricky engine.  It liked to derail, in fact it derailed in Vermont the first day it was steamed up.  The trailing truck always had issues due more to its design than anything else (it doesn't turn, rather it allows only latteral motion).  I was firing it when it derailed the pony truck, two different times...  Then of course the tender isn't the original, and I always thought the buffers fit the cab a little tight for going around tight radius turns.    I think that all contributed to the Delaware Water Gap Derailment a few years ago, well that and the fact that the axles under the tender at the time were actually gauged too narrow.
 
Interesting history, one of these days I have to write a book...
 
Dave


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #107 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 10:56pm »
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For a glorious hour or two, on Sept. 8, both of Steamtown's steamers were hot and on the move.  After completing repairs on 2317, she was fired up, and puttered in the yard, waiting for 3254 to complete the 2:15 Scranton Ltd train trip.  When the gangway was cleared, 2317 turned on the turntable to face East, and picked up two coaches to make a break-in run on the Pocono Line.  Shortly after the TT cleared, 3254 made her appearance, and went to rest in the Roundhouse.  
 
2317 didn't fare too well on the break-in, and came back to the yard with an overheated trailing axle bearing.  Back to the drawing board.  Since other work has been performed the last month, this bearing is her only problem, so I don't think she will have any difficulty getting back in service.  Just give them a little more time.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #108 on: Sep 12th, 2007, 6:17pm »
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I was present for that glorious afternoon, I can say nothing more than a heartful thank you to all of Steamtown's skilled mechanics. They put forth an admiral effort to get 2317 on the road, unfortuanetly murphy's law stepped in and sidelined 2317 yet again, but I have faith that 2317 will have a flawless fall season.
 
-Jim


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Some technical facts about GWR 2-10-0 #90
Built: June 1924
Builder: Baldwin Locomotive Works
Builders #: 57812
Class: 2-10-0 Light Decapod
Driver Diameter: 56 inches
Weight w/tender: 186 tons
Fuel: Coal 15 tons
Water: 9,000 Gallons
Sold to the SRR for over $35,000.00 in 1967
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #109 on: Sep 15th, 2007, 11:05pm »
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On Friday afternoon, Sep 14, the trailing wheel axle was placed on the wheel lathe, in preparation for cutting on Monday.  The crew spent two days adjusting the machine and crafting a guide screw for the lathe in order to get this far.  Meanwhile, the bearing boxes are getting prepared for the next re-install.

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« Reply #110 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 12:14am »
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This photo was taken back in july.
 
Dan


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #111 on: Oct 26th, 2007, 9:33pm »
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She's back in steam again!
CPR 2317 literally roared through the yard on some break-in runs this afternoon, Friday, Oct 26.  One of the repairmen said she behaved today.  Will this mean she returns to the mainline on Saturday, for a run to Moscow?  I'll let you know.
 
By the way, the great difficulty was in getting the babbit bearings, packing material and lubricants in the trailing truck assembly and keeping them from overheating and scarring the axle.  This can be a tricky deal, since the tolerances are so tight to get them to sit perfectly.  A real test of some expert machinists.  Good job, men.


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« Reply #112 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 7:58am »
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I was in the area I got a pic and some video to
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqB7kOf202Y


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« Reply #113 on: Oct 27th, 2007, 9:36pm »
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 I can'f seem to get the clip to play. Ihr clip of 3254 works but not 17.
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #114 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 9:18pm »
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on Oct 27th, 2007, 9:36pm, alzubal wrote:       (Click here for original message)
XPLORER
 I can'f seem to get the clip to play. Ihr clip of 3254 works but not 17.
Al

Al,
i just checked. It seems to work fine.
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« Reply #115 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 9:38pm »
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XPLORER
I tried again from your link and directaly on you tube all the clips play except this one.
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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #116 on: Oct 29th, 2007, 11:32pm »
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on Oct 26th, 2007, 9:33pm, 565fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
She's back in steam again!
  Will this mean she returns to the mainline on Saturday, for a run to Moscow?  I'll let you know.

On Saturday, Oct 27, 2317 did not run to Moscow, but did run a number of yard trains for "The Office" convention, and museum visitors.  She was under steam on Sunday, but didn't leave the Roundhouse, at least not that I saw.  Yard duties that day were handled by 514.  There is still a chance she will run for the RailFest, but I don't think she will leave the yard.  Still a beauty, though.


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #117 on: Nov 1st, 2007, 11:21pm »
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She's Back in steam again, AGAIN
 
I know, you've heard it before.  A little more adjustment on the lateral trailing truck to compensate for the tight curves and cross overs in the yard.  She really is made for the mainline, where the curves aren't quite so drastic, and I hope she can make it to Moscow for the Santa Express runs.  For the RailFest, she will be on the Scranton Ltd, while 3254 holds the main.  Two steamers, what a concept.
 


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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #118 on: Nov 6th, 2007, 11:34pm »
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Will 2317 return Next year ? Or is steamtown going to only run 3254?

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Re: Engine Discussion: CP 2317
 
« Reply #119 on: Dec 26th, 2007, 11:58pm »
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December 2007 update.  To answer T-1_2124, the answer is "Maybe."  Her last day running this year was Dec. 15.  She would have run on Sunday, if the park wasn't closed by the ice storm. She is now on shop track 5, getting her dry pipe analyzed.  If she passes or is repaired, then we will get to chase or ride behind her for another season.  Most likely she will be yard-bound.
 
If the pipe doesn't pass, then she will be torn down for her 1472 day inspection, which we used to call the "dreaded 5 year inspection."  The good part of this repair is that a lot of work done since the dawn of the 21st Century will make compliance with the form 40 rules easier than if we started from scratch.  The bad part is that when you start tearing into any steam locomotive, you will find troubles you weren't looking for.  Some of this work will be difficult and time consuming.  
 
With any luck, no. 26 will be back in running order before 2317 needs to be torn apart.  Until then, it will be tough to keep juggling all the repairs going with the shrinking staff at the town of steam.


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