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« Reply #40 on: Dec 29th, 2005, 10:36am »
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Yes, it's nice that the San Antonio MoPac station was spared the wrecking ball. I checked it out several years ago after devouring a chicken-fried steak at then-nearby  
Lulu's Jailhouse Cafe.
 
However, it's sad that the Mission-style Katy terminal on the other side of town wasn't saved. It was a gem.


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« Reply #41 on: Dec 29th, 2005, 10:55am »
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Since we've [sort of] changed the venue to Texas, note that the former Southern Pacific (nee SAAP) station in Kerrville has been "preserved" as a commercial property.  
 
Note, as well, that this transplanted "Texian" up nawth is happy to say that several former Reading stations between Harrisburg and Reading are still standing and in good health.


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« Reply #42 on: Dec 29th, 2005, 11:51am »
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I remember the DL&W terminal well when as a young kid, I rode the DL&W quite a few times to visit relatives in NJ. Those NKP & DL&W Hudsons w/their large drivers were quite a sight for a little kid. The noises they made & seeing 1 glide into the terminal was a huge thrill. Last I recall being there was about 1958. Iirc,  F3's were the power of the day. While I enjoy diesels, it's hard to forget those steamers.
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« Reply #43 on: Jan 20th, 2006, 8:57am »
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on Dec 28th, 2005, 2:34pm, Henry wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Ed,
 
Nobody is talking about keeping decaying ruins. Preservation and adapative reuse of historic landmarks doesn't mean leaving decaying ruins around.
Significant architecture is one of the primary things promoted in Buffalo these days. DL&W Terminal was in a prime downtown location and now it's a freaking yard and carbarn for a next to useless light rail line.

 
I'll retract the decaying ruins rant in this case but I stand by that overall. I don't think the idea is getting a fair review here. I'd rather see the building reused for the good of the city than get destroyed and forgotten. A plaque and maybe some photographs adornding the entrance is more than enough to preserve the memory of the past.
 
And frankly the rail yard should be enough of a rail connection for all, even if it is along a "useless" light rail line.
 
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The railroad in conjunction with the lake shipping is what allowed Buffalo to grow into a metropolis.

 
Not quite. Considering the Welland Canal(connection between Lake Ontario and Lake Erie) was not built until after the Erie Canal, shipping was limited. It took the canal to bring the city into the shipping arena and took the rialroad to make it into the 2nd largest city in the state.
 
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If the Erie Canal  hadn't been built, Buffalo would still have become a city once the railroad was built.

 
That's a given like every other city and town of any size but that would have been decades off if not for the canal. It was isolated until the canal came and would not have been as big as it became for decades if at all. It would be just like Erie, PA except maybe with alot more tourism if not for the canal.
 
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It was a logical location for a large grain and coal port operation.

 
 
That's after the fact. No canal(really canals), no shipping of those things until well into the 1800s. There maybe have been an industry in furs and possibly military supplies but that's about it for a while to build up the town but that's about it and it would have been a short business.
 
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Cheap water transport began or ended at Buffalo because of Niagara Falls.

 
Due to the unpassable falls, they had no choice. Until the canal came in the lakes were isolated except via long overland routes. It took the canal to bring the water transporting up to what it is today.
 
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This is the major reason the railroads wanted to get there, not because the Erie Canal was there.

 
The canal hastened the building of the rail lines out to Buffalo and the port(s) along the lakes. True they would have reached the ports eventually, but they came due to the port built up thanks to the canal. If not for the canal, probably no rail service would have reached the city for decades.
 
 
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The Erie canal put Buffalo on the map, but after 1850 it didn't od much to keep it there.

 
The town was already on the map well before the canal reached Buffalo. What it did was make it blossom into a thriving port that railroads wanted to get in on. It hastened the link between the port of Buffalo and the rail lines heading downstate and east by decades.
 
And it's true, by the 1850s the canal didn't do much for the city any more. It was illogical to traverse the canal anymore since the railroads had reached the city. That's true of most other canals at that time. Just proves the point again about hastening the link between the city and the rail lines.


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« Reply #44 on: Jan 20th, 2006, 11:15am »
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on Jan 20th, 2006, 8:57am, efin98 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

That's a given like every other city and town of any size but that would have been decades off if not for the canal. It was isolated until the canal came and would not have been as big as it became for decades if at all. It would be just like Erie, PA except maybe with alot more tourism if not for the canal.

The city was incorporated in 1832 and the last link in what would become the NYC&HR RR was a couple of decades later. If there had been no canal the RR link might have been completed several years earlier. Buffalo was a logical gateway to western shipping on the Great Lakes and would have grown very quickly with any practical transportation system which connected it to an eastern seaport.
 
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That's after the fact. No canal(really canals), no shipping of those things until well into the 1800s. There maybe have been an industry in furs and possibly military supplies but that's about it for a while to build up the town but that's about it and it would have been a short business.

Only until about 1850. The canal wasn't completed until 1825 and it was a number years after that before further capacity improvements allowed it to become an effective artery of mass commerce.
 
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Due to the unpassable falls, they had no choice. Until the canal came in the lakes were isolated except via long overland routes. It took the canal to bring the water transporting up to what it is today.

Once the RR reacxhed Buffalo the shipping would have grown very quickly, much more quickly than it did with the Erie Canal.
 
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The canal hastened the building of the rail lines out to Buffalo and the port(s) along the lakes. True they would have reached the ports eventually, but they came due to the port built up thanks to the canal. If not for the canal, probably no rail service would have reached the city for decades.

No through RR reached the Great Lakes or the Ohio River for about 2 decades as it was. I think the RR would have been built earlier without a canal due to the greater need for transportation.
 
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The town was already on the map well before the canal reached Buffalo. What it did was make it blossom into a thriving port that railroads wanted to get in on. It hastened the link between the port of Buffalo and the rail lines heading downstate and east by decades.

I disagree, the canal was competition for the RR at a logical western gateway. That gateway would have been important no matter what overland transportation system was used.
 
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And it's true, by the 1850s the canal didn't do much for the city any more. It was illogical to traverse the canal anymore since the railroads had reached the city. That's true of most other canals at that time. Just proves the point again about hastening the link between the city and the rail lines.

 
I still believe that once any through RR reached Buffalo, rapid growth would follow. I don't think the city would have been much different in size by 1900 or so.
 
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« Reply #45 on: Feb 2nd, 2006, 2:57pm »
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        To say that the destruction of the former DL&W terminal in Buffalo was a tragic loss, is indeed an understatement. Here was a structure that truly evoked an era when style, class, and elegance was commonplace in railroad station architecture; a structure that, had it been saved and restored, could have been preserved for future generations as a stunning reminder of Buffalo's once-vibrant railroad past. One a landmark structure such as this is destroyed it's gone forever.....and we are certainly the poorer for it.

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« Reply #46 on: Aug 28th, 2006, 2:04pm »
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:53:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Jim Dent
Subject: Latest Plan for Buffalo DL&W Terminal (rshsdepot)
 
From the EL List...
 
Subject (erielack) Latest Plan for Buffalo DL&W Terminal  
 
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List,
 
Here is Plan # 63 for the Buffalo DL&W Terminal. Don't put much stock
in it. The Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority (NFTA) produces
2 or 3 plans a year for the past 25 years. Their motto and Mission Statement
reads: "PLANNING, NOT DOING". Late last year - a gambling casino. Earlier
last year - home to the Buffalo & Erie County Historiacal Society. Before that -  
a railroad museum. Before that - a hotel, etc. etc. etc.
 
Attached are 3 photos I took back in the early 80's when the terminal was
being converted to storage sheds and a maintenance facility for the NFTA
light rail. My friend was construction manager for the site and I gained rare
access and information.
 
Main Street may see revival - 2 ideas entertained for 3-block section
 
By SHARON LINSTEDT  
Buffalo News Staff Reporter
8/26/2006  
 
The former DL&W train terminal at the foot of Main Street could become a convention center, and the nearby HSBC Atrium office building could be converted to a hotel under a long-term vision to revitalize Buffalo's Lower Main Street.  
The Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. on Friday confirmed that those two high-concept reuses are being contemplated as part of its effort to transform a three-block section of Main Street, from the Buffalo River to Exchange Street. The goal is to turn it into a place to work, live and play, anchored by a Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World store in the Aud.  
 
"I would categorize these as early concepts of what could be," said Larry Quinn, vice president of the harbor development panel.  
 
The convention center and hotel ideas are "extremely preliminary, but intriguing," he added.  
 
"We haven't talked to the [Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority, which owns the DL&W terminal] and have had a brief conversation with HSBC Bank. We're only at the point where we're dreaming several years out about what could happen on Lower Main Street," he said.  
 
In March, the harbor panel unveiled a multiphase blueprint for some $1.4 billion in development aimed at harnessing the momentum of Bass Pro, the Erie Canal Harbor restoration and the emerging Cobblestone District to create a neighborhood along Main Street. These latest ideas are part of a "fleshing out" process, Quinn said.  
 
"We're continuing to work on specifics for the first phase, but we also need to look out into the future. Both the DL&W and HSBC buildings are in the footprint of the project, so we can't ignore them. We need to consider both short-term and long-range possibilities," he said.  
 
He noted that the plan unveiled in March included housing across the Buffalo River on the outer harbor, accessed via a two-lane lift bridge that hasn't been built.  
 
"That's another example of contemplating what's possible. We're exploring the "what ifs' to make sure this is the best project it can be," Quinn added.  
 
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« Reply #47 on: Sep 1st, 2006, 2:10am »
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If I know anything it'll be talked about for a few years and they'll give up. Remember Aquafalls in Niagara Falls? I think this new Sabres emblem has a symbolic meaning, eh.

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http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/downtown/article97412.ece
 
Still empty, hope springs eternal for something to happen at the last remnants of Buffalo's DL&W Terminal, the now enclosed Bush Trainshed.
 
There is a photo of the interior at the above URL. I rode my bicycle through the trainshed and into the headhouse of the terminal back in 1979 before it was demolished.
 
Henry
 
 
Terminal trains keen eye on future
NFTA revives talk of redeveloping former DL&W facility
 
By Robert J. McCarthy  
News Staff Reporter  
 
Updated: August 10, 2010, 0:12 PM  
 
The train shed -- empty and cavernous -- sits hidden along the Buffalo River, behind HSBC Arena and right at the foot of Main Street.
 
Although dwarfed by the huge arena, the former Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Terminal is so big that, in its heyday, it could contain six trains under one roof.
 
Two commissioners of the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority, which now owns the terminal, recently walked through the structure, part of its Metro Rail yard and shops complex, envisioning what "might be."
 
Henry M. Sloma and Peter G. Demakos say the 140,000 square feet of indoor and outdoor space, including the terrace overlooking the Cobblestone District and Buffalo River, could attract waterfront visitors.
 
"It's a beautiful facility with a variety of open spaces," Demakos said. "And it needs to be part of a comprehensive plan for the overall waterfront."
 
Following the collapse of the Bass Pro Shops deal for Canal Side, transit commissioners and staff are asking waterfront planners to take a second look at their 1917 architectural gem. They claim no need to re-create something that "looks old" when the real thing awaits.
 
Now is the time, they add, for the Erie Canal Harbor Development Corp. and others to include the NFTA in their waterfront planning. That has never happened, Sloma said, despite the authority's significant presence on the waterfront.
 
He even suggests the NFTA should have a seat on the harbor corporation's board.
 
"We have always looked for some kind of lead from other development agencies; waiting for a cue," Sloma said. "But it never came."
 
If planners must now return to Square One, Demakos added, they should consider the terminal for some kind of waterfront attraction -- whether it be restaurants, retail, museums or other cultural entity.
 
"We always figured Bass Pro would come," he said. "But now that they have to go back to the drawing board, it should be a bigger picture."
 
Metro Rail trains have been rumbling in and out of the complex since service started in 1984, taking up where the Erie-Lackawanna, the DL&W's successor, left off after it ended service in 1962. But while the former freight house below houses Metro Rail trains, the vast second floor -- with its unique concrete reinforced roof -- offers intriguing development potential, NFTA officials say.
 
They point to similar facilities, such as Union Station in St. Louis or the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia, that now offer thriving retail attractions. They say the sights and sounds of a working rail complex combined with the surrounding industrial ambience -- including the sweet smell of cereal baking at adjacent General Mills -- may hold the key to unlocking the Cobblestone District's potential.
 
If the former terminal is developed, NFTA officials say they also envision a Metro Rail station at the complex and possibly a walkway to HSBC Arena.
 
Some waterfront advocates, including Rep. Brian Higgins, D-Buffalo, agree. He has suggested the space as a public market or a museum complex. And he says the complex should now be reconsidered in the vacuum left by Bass Pro.
 
"At the very least, the DL&W's redevelopment potential has been greatly enhanced," Higgins said. "And it's right there in front of us."
 
Coincidentally, the NFTA had granted the Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum a one-year option on the terminal just four days before Bass Pro's July 30 decision to scuttle nine-year-old plans for a store on the site of the former Memorial Auditorium. The museum proposed the option to attract foundation support and other backing for its effort to find a permanent home for its collection, now housed in HSBC Arena.
 
But Hugh Neeson, the museum's development director, says Bass Pro's exit from the scene puts the museum's plans on hold. It remains interested in using the space in conjunction with other museums or cultural groups, he said, but recognizes that it could be earmarked for a number of uses.
 
"We want to see what new plan takes shape down there," Neeson said. "We hope to be part of the process of offering potential uses for the place.
 
"I just think the ballgame has radically changed," he added. "We can't overplay our hand because no one knows what will come out of new planning."
 
Higgins also envisions the possibility of the aerospace museum in the terminal, with other cultural groups.
 
"The idea is to create an arts and cultural community to benefit one another," Higgins said. "That creates a critical mass, and that in itself has an appeal."
 
The congressman describes the facility's potential as "greatly enhanced" and says that some money earmarked for the waterfront could be redirected to the terminal.
 
Using the terminal has been suggested in the past, but no concrete plans ever were advanced, said Erich Weyant, assistant director of communications for the harbor development corporation.
 
"We're aware of it, but there has been no formal coordination [with NFTA]," he said.
 
Demakos acknowledged the criticism for lack of development on the NFTA's outer harbor property.
 
But he noted that plans recently accelerated rapidly and successfully. The NFTA Boat Harbor is at near capacity, a new greenbelt path skirts the water, and Dug's Dive has grown into an attraction in itself. The NFTA, he said, now has a track record.
 
"Now that Bass Pro is not happening, we need to reopen the plan and look at this as part of the plan," he said.
 
Sloma calls it a "now more than ever" situation.
 
"We need to open a dialogue about completing the plan," he said. "We need to know what other people are doing two blocks away."
 


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Henry -  
 
As I claim the bona fides whereby I actually lived in Buffalo for near three years. Gimme a huge break here, yes? Buffalo  
long a fine market for "...just getting started comedians..." as well as old hands at it...
 
Did they forget the part the original and completely magnificent Grand Hall and Waiting Room of the D L & W structure  
demolished ages back? So, now all this excitement over the train sheds? Shame! Shame!
 
I am beyond belief these current day fakers had such high hopes for an emporium stocking fishing and camping gear...  
Oh, yeah, how many new jobs because of the grand "gaming casinos" schemes?
 
Oh, and let me guess. The dedicated folks trying to do positive things with N Y C Central Terminal continue to pass  
the hat, and sponsor bake sales? SIGH! Buffalo never changes, God Bless 'em?
 
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« Reply #50 on: Aug 13th, 2010, 6:08pm »
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Let's see - the 2006 plan went nowhere. Prior plans went - nowhere. Why do you suppose i find myself thinking "This plan will go nowhere"?
 
Just as i suspect proposals for NYC/MC stations in Buffalo and Detroit will go - nowhere...
 
At least the DID find  successful conversions for the FW&D station in Fort Worth and the Interurban Building in Dallas. And some survival of Union Station in Houston (head-house part of a baseball stadium).


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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 05:17:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary R. Kazin  
Subject: NY - Updated: 02/16/2013, 07:38 AM Railroad site may see new life Higgins wants Termini to develop the location as a tourism draw
 
Updated: 02/16/2013, 07:38 AM
Railroad site may see new life
Higgins wants Termini to develop the location as a tourism draw
BY: Robert McCarthy / News Political Reporter
 
The cavernous space above Metro Rail's shops in the former Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad terminal has a new champion - Rep. Brian Higgins.
 
The Buffalo Democrat wants downtown developer Rocco Termini to tackle the 1917 architectural gem as his next restoration project. And the man behind resurrecting the Hotel @ the Lafayette and other downtown buildings says he's more than intrigued about the potential for a public market at the site - if $10 million to $15 million in government money becomes available.
 
Full article:
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130216/CITYANDREGION/130219372/1002
 
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Termini’s interest in DL&W Terminal wanes  
 
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130729/CITYANDREGION/130729051/1010
 
Developer Rocco R. Termini’s enthusiasm for rehabilitating the former Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad Terminal has waned in recent months, dampening optimism for a public commercial space at the foot of Main Street.
 
Termini now says he remains interested in the possibilities offered by the cavernous space above the Metro Rail shops owned by the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority. But uncertainty prompts him to slow any approach, he said, despite the recent explosion of construction activity in the area.
 
“I think we’ll wait and see what happens with the Pegula project,” he said, referring to the HarborCenter hotel and ice rink complex championed by Buffalo Sabres owner Terry Pegula. “At this point, there’s not that much interest.”
 
Termini, whose Signature Development Co. spearheaded the redevelopment of the historic Hotel @ Lafayette in downtown Buffalo, was urged by Rep. Brian Higgins to tackle the DL&W Terminal as his next major project. As a result, Termini said in February he envisioned the terminal’s 80,000 square feet of indoor space along with another 60,000 square feet of outdoor patio as an ideal venue for a public market similar to train shed developments at Union Station in St. Louis or the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia.
 
He said then, however, that $10 million to $15 million in public money would be needed to jump-start development at the site.
 
Higgins also envisioned a mecca for boaters throughout the Great Lakes at the waterfront site. And while both acknowledged at the time that they had reached only the “brainstorming” stage, Higgins was encouraging Termini to use his “experience in adaptive reuse” to explore the idea.
 
More at http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130729/CITYANDREGION/130729051/1010
 
Thanks to Gary Kazin on the EL list for the heads up.
 
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I predict (sadly) that nothing will happen. Nor will anything happen in Detroit, not within the lifetimes of any person reading this forum at this time.

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on Aug 1st, 2013, 6:06pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I predict (sadly) that nothing will happen. Nor will anything happen in Detroit, not within the lifetimes of any person reading this forum at this time.  

 
Clyde -
 
While a tad gloomy, from my own experience (particularly with Buffalo), your comment likely pragmatic and realistic.  
There's something of a list of various opportunities which have never happened...
 
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Vern, All - i follow this forum and a couple of others on hysterical reservation. Work on historic buildings is hard and expensive, and about as often as not fails. With railroad structures, it is more often than not a matter of plan after plan after plan with no action, and when work is started it often fails before completion. i don't like that, it saddens me to see history, and especially rail history disappear (when we married in 1974, i was stationed at Fort Hood, and the Santa Fe station in Belton was still intact, if unused. it was a small gem. One day, i drove by to get some photos. Concrete slab is all that was left. it saddened me; many another has gone the same way).
 
Makes me pessimistic. Having some idea of what is involved in rehabbing big buildings, and considering the economic straits many of our older cities are in, a building like Buffalo's or Detroit's makes me doubly pessimistic.
 
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Clyde - All -  
 
Indeed! We have a more seasoned crowd of readers here. Likely, many have endless stories on theme of reports of  
Big Plans! Big Ideas! No Money! For the most part, few of the proposals are practical for small volunteer groups.
 
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 12:26:35 -0400
From: Josh Stull  
Subject: Buffalo News: "Transit hub, shops would anchor DL&W Terminal in $42 million plan" (rshsdepot)
 
 
*Transit hub, shops would anchor DL&W Terminal in $42 million plan*
 
Canalside hums with all-season activity. New attractions are breathing
life into the Cobblestone District. Now the potential jewel of the Inner
Harbor
- the historic Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad Terminal -
is poised to resurrect as a busy transit hub and commercial center under
a plan the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority finalized Thursday.
 
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/downtown-waterfront/transit-hub-shops-would-anchor-dlw-terminal-in-42-million-plan-20160325
 
 
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 12:26:35 -0400
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Subject: Buffalo News: "Transit hub, shops would anchor DL&W Terminal in $42 million plan" (rshsdepot)
 
 
*Transit hub, shops would anchor DL&W Terminal in $42 million plan*
 
Canalside hums with all-season activity. New attractions are breathing
life into the Cobblestone District. Now the potential jewel of the Inner
Harbor
- the historic Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad Terminal -
is poised to resurrect as a busy transit hub and commercial center under
a plan the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority finalized Thursday.
 
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/downtown-waterfront/transit-hub-shops-would-anchor-dlw-terminal-in-42-million-plan-20160325
 
 
Josh Stull
Nicholson, PA
www.nicholsonstation.org
 
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I wish them much good fortune. But - $42 million projected? I fear that, somehow, as it goes forward, if it does, price will double and patronage fall by half...


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Re: Buffalo, NY DL&W Terminal
 
« Reply #59 on: Mar 30th, 2016, 3:11pm »
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So the $42 MM will make a reality of a "...potential jewel...", eh? Fine, old Buffalo long a good source of some truly dark humor.  
An implicit question here? Why was the archaic and lovely true jewel ever torn down, anyway?
 
Timing here is good. FR 1 APR is also "April Fool's Day"! Recall, this writer's personal logs report his ages back Buffalo residence  
of about three years. At the time, NYC Central Terminal still open and operating. LV "Marble Palace" still remained on Main Street.
 
Much of all the sadness here: http://www.forgottenbuffalo.com/experiencethetour.html
 
.......................Bitter From Buffalo?.................Vern..........................


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