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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #60 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:07am »
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SM -
 
Many Thanks! OK. So in the order of appearance, you cited Rule #27. Implicit in the way these publications prepared,  
we may estimate it was a very old Rule.
 
BTW. The apparent "gaps" in Rule Book, Tariff and other publications anticipated needs in future to add new items in  
the logical series. The later, "pasted in" revisions in Rule Book not unusual. Compare, such updates were rare - if at all -  
in Tariff publications. The latter were publicly filed with ICC and other regulatory agencies...
 
.....................Vern..................


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #61 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:18am »
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Vern....
 
Most welcome, I'm sure!
 
I purchased this old rulebook down at the old "Hoboken Festival" (about 1985) for $3.00; certainly, I NEVER regretted the purchase!<G>
 
On the inside cover, are several more "updates", pasted in; the one at the top simply states:
 
"REVISIONS OF MARCH 1, 1964-----
 
"REGION--page 11
 
"Changed, Division--page 11, added.
 
Several other revisions are affixed to this page, all extremely "in depth".
 
These revisions were effective:
 
4/28/57
 
11/27/57
 
9/1/58
 
2/27/59
 
5/1/60
 
10/18/64
 
At the very bottom of inside cover:
 
"REVISION OF APRIL 25, 1965"*.
 
*
This was virtually two years to the day when the PRR would withdraw from the partnership with PATH for the "joint service" to Newark.
 
"SM"


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HwyHaulier
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Re: PRR position lights today
 
« Reply #62 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:24am »
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SM -  
 
The old railroad Rule Book publications were rather a secular Catechism, yes?
 
Except here, with mastery, one could get to run the trains! Do you happen to have any menus  
for appropriate and joyous Sicilian Ceremony?
 
.......................Vern......................


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« Reply #63 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:29am »
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Vern.....
 
No......I haven't any old PRR menus that highlight Sicilian cuisine, BUT, all you need do is to check out the latest (related) postings at an undisclosed location.....<G>
 
"SM"


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #64 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:39am »
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Vern/All:
 
The following excerpt is from a brochure issued just prior to the (ahem!) ALDENE PLAN of 1967, gushing shamelessly of just how much more commutes would be, after the plan took effect(!!)
 
This particular excerpt deals with the "improvements" being made to the former "joint service" line.....
 
".....as part of the Aldene Plan, a new eastbound track in the Newark-Harrison area is being constructed for PATH. The new track will seperate PATH's rapid transit trains from the Pennsylvania Railroad's tracks......."
 
"......In addition, improvements are being made to PATH's signal and power systems. After Aldene begins, PATH will assume the entire operation of the line between Newark and Journal Square, now operated under a joint arrangement with the PRR....."
 
What's that old saying, again?
 
Ahhh, yes!
 
"If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it!"<G>
 
"SM"


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #65 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:56am »
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Nostalgic glimpses of a long-lost way of life....one that yours truly is fortunate to recall.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75669
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75666
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75670
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24760


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George_Harris
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Re: PRR position lights today
 
« Reply #66 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 1:02pm »
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Vern called my attention to these signal discussions here a few days back, but I really have nothing to add.  
 
My acquaintance with both PRR and B&O signals began and ended with working on Washington Metro, first with the contractor constructing the replacement (much smaller!! ) for the Washington coach yard, and later with the General Engineering Consultant in the area of trackwork.  
 
I remember in part that, when looking at the Washington Union Station throat track and operations and the Pennsy signal and train control system, feeling like I had been thrown back to the 1920's.  
 
The Washington Terminal Company powered switch points were air-electric.  That is powered by compressed air and controlled electrically.  This gave you two things:  First, two things to go wrong.  If you lost air, which happened several times, the things would not move, and if you lost the electric circuitry, you could not tell them anything.  Second, they did not take a few seconds to move with the whirr of the electric motor.  Instead they slammed over instantaneously.  
 
The other thing was the numerous series of double slip switches in the station approach.  These things are rightly called puzzle switches.  You have three switch machines on these things:  One at each end to throw the switch points and the third in the middle to throw the movable frogs.  The number of impact points and not so great tie conditions made these things constant maintenance headaches.  
 
The other thing that gave the 1920's feel was the number of manned towers in the station operation.  
 
As to any form of technical comments on signals, I have none.  My understanding of the railroad world, except for a little bit on wheel tread shape and wheel position, starts at the top of rail and goes down from there.  There was quite a bit of new stuff there in this area:  The WTC and ex PRR tracks were in 140PS rail.  Huge stuff.  A lot of the yard tracks were in smaller stuff, 131RE, 100PS, etc.  For the new stuff, the yard was getting 115RE, and the shifted B&O tracks 122CB.  
 
I have told people that the workings of electrification are a mystery to me, but signalling is a black art, approaching a form of witchcraft.


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #67 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 1:16pm »
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George.....
 
"you have nothing to add"?
 
I beg to differ, my friend!
 
THANK YOU for sharing some great old memories!
 
I know I sure as heck enjoyed picturing what you described!
 
From my earliest days, the PRR's PL's had a truly mysterious aura about them; they were so totally unlike the "traditional" color light signals I knew so well on the E-L and the CNJ.
 
At Newark's Penn Station, there was a complex ganglia of these unique signals, and, just to be able to gaze at one from the platform was a treat!
 
Too, I can remember many "railfan window" rides on the old SIRT ME-1 cars, and watching the B&O PL's pass by......had NO idea at the time that I was taking part in history!
 
Right up until the ALDENE plan of 1967, the CNJ terminal throat at Jersey City was still a mind-boggling array of semaphores sprouting like wildfire from the signal bridges....again, I had not the slightest idea that I was seeing living history before my eyes.....a grand and colorful era in railroading that, even then, was living on borrowed time.
 
Ahhh, but what memories!
 
"SM"


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Re: PRR position lights today
 
« Reply #68 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 1:26pm »
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All:
 
Our good friend George stated that:
 
"signalling is a black art, approaching a form of witchcraft".....
 
Well, after glimpsing this fascinating page from England, I would tend to agree!
 
Man, talk about COMPLEXITIES!
 
Note that PRR and B&O PL's are included here as well.
 
QUITE obvious that PRR and B&O men certainly were in a realm unto themselves!
 
"SM"
 
http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/rail/sigs.htm


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #69 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 1:29pm »
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George -  
 
Great to get your commentary! Yes, indeed! Washington Union did have a distinct "time warp" feel to it! All of it reminded of  
times when the lines had much deeper pockets! The track arrangements wondrous. Yes, the continuing upkeep on all of it  
had to be challenging...
 
Signals as "black art"? There's much to that, and it gives me some comfort. As it always the "high stakes" game, everything  
must be absolutely correct and without ambiguity, all the time. So, I guess I know a few things about it, though I could hardly  
sit for a rigorous exam on any of it...
 
SM: Tho not in scope of your original query, another astonishing, "fun with trains" exercise in triumph of C T C on C B & Q,  
at least between CGO and Aurora, if not all the way to Galesburg. Ya' hadta' been there!
 
.........................Vern.....................


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« Reply #70 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 4:25pm »
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All:
 
Interesting page from Great Britain; note "ground position light" signals are remiscent of those of PRR design.....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_railway_signals


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« Reply #71 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 4:30pm »
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Another page from Great Britain; many links to photos and drawings here......quite a vaiety of interesting equipment, as you shall see......
 
http://www.signalbox.org/signals.shtml


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« Reply #72 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 4:36pm »
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Another interesting page.....
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/3-sigs/sigs-1.htm


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« Reply #73 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 4:45pm »
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The history of signals in France; be sure to spot the "DISQUE ROUGE" type.....
 
http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/railway/french.htm


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« Reply #74 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 4:55pm »
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Well-done page on the fallen ex-N&W CPL's.....
 
http://railsinvirginia.com/abandoned/ns_va_division_signals.html


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« Reply #75 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 9:33pm »
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An informative "international" signal page; take notice of small sections on PL's and CPL's (B&O/SIRT are mentioned here).
 
Also, photos of PRR PL's and CPL's along the CSX.....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_signal


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« Reply #76 on: Dec 11th, 2011, 11:27pm »
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A rare view depicting the "guts" of a classic "searchlight" signal.....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SearchlightSignalMechanism.JPG


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« Reply #77 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 9:52am »
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Scroll down page for views of GRS type "VA" dwarf CPL's.....
 
http://arborwayrailroad.com/signals.html


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« Reply #78 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 9:57am »
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CPL photo on this GM&O "history" page.....
 
http://www.railarchive.net/gmogallery/photo039.htm


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« Reply #79 on: Dec 12th, 2011, 10:07am »
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on Dec 12th, 2011, 9:57am, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
CPL photo on this GM&O "history" page.....
 
http://www.railarchive.net/gmogallery/photo039.htm

SM -  
 
On account the lines which went into G M & O. Part of it was the old ALTON ROUTE (Chicago & Alton), controlled by B & O.  
The ALTON line linked CGO - STL - KCY. So, for the purists out there, it is possible B & O CPL signals seen in KCY, ages back...
 
N.B.: From excellent G M & O site: http://www.gmohs.org/SecondaryPages/Maps.htm
 
.......................Vern.....................


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