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towny72
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« on: Mar 3rd, 2008, 7:10pm »
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I starting to model a small pre war layout. Going with rural Pennsylvania, and I started to think of all these grade crossing and at this period the dirt roads crossing them. Did they have crossbucks, when did they start using them, and did they look much differnt then today. thanks for the input

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 1st, 2008, 6:02pm »
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Depending on what era you are modelling, crossbucks themselves look different !!!
 
Modern crossbucks are 90-degree angle.
 
Older crossbucks cross at a more acute angle - which harkens back to their origin as "crossbones" meaning "danger".
 
I have seen signs other than crossbucks at private crossings. Some are rectangles, some are eliptical.  Different texts, too.  
 
You will have to reseach specific PRR practice in that era, which unfortunately I cannot help with. Maybe period photos can help.
 
One source might be the Pemberton, NJ, historical society. Pemberton had two rural branches of the PRR.  
 
I would hope that other members with more specific knowledge will answer your very interesting question.  
 


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mike_nepa
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 5th, 2008, 9:38am »
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Maybe this will help you. This is a crossbuck that was from the NY O&W railroad. This is located in Dickson City, PA  The lettering is almost gone but the crossbuck is still in good condition considering no train passed by here since 1957!
 
On a side note, there is even some rail buried in the pavement at this location.
 
Mike


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« Reply #3 on: Dec 5th, 2008, 12:44pm »
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on Dec 5th, 2008, 9:38am, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Maybe this will help you. This is a crossbuck that was from the NY O&W railroad. This is located in Dickson City, PA  The lettering is almost gone but the crossbuck is still in good condition considering no train passed by here since 1957!
 
On a side note, there is even some rail buried in the pavement at this location.
 
Mike

 
Curiosity killed the cat!
 
Have a look at the attached pic from Google Earth......   It looks like the station/depot was a stub/spur track from the mainline; and the cross buck was at the corner of Morgan and Hallstead streets.     Is this correct?


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« Reply #4 on: Nov 21st, 2009, 2:25pm »
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You can check out Rob Shoenberg's great site of PRR drawings: Here's a couple:
http://prr.railfan.net/standards/standards.cgi?plan=56443-B and  
http://prr.railfan.net/standards/standards.cgi?plan=60244--...
 
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 11th, 2011, 11:36am »
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On many of its Pensylvania branches, the PRR user cast iron crossbucks.  They may have used them further west, too, perhaps into Ohio?  
 
So depending on the time period you want to model, the material used for the crossbuck matters, as does the coloring. Until the 1970s, crossing gates were black and white and not done with reflective paint or stripes.  I know it's not appropriate for just a dirt crossing, but it does show how things have changed over time.


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mike_nepa
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 5:44pm »
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No, the mainline you indicated was a Delaware & Hudson line, still in use today. The O&W track that crossed the streets serviced a breaker in Dickson City. (forget the name offhand) I have a bit of information posted on my site here.
 
http://www.nepaview.com/ow-dickson-city.html
 
Mike
 
 
on Dec 5th, 2008, 12:44pm, Pyronova wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Curiosity killed the cat!
 
Have a look at the attached pic from Google Earth......   It looks like the station/depot was a stub/spur track from the mainline; and the cross buck was at the corner of Morgan and Hallstead streets.     Is this correct?



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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 5:54pm »
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These two maps might help, the area in question is spanned over two maps, one in color, the other B&W. Both from 1946-1947. The first one is Olyphant showing how the O&W and D&H ran close to each other.
 
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 24th, 2011, 5:57pm »
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This map from 1947 shows the O&W crossing Main St in Dickson City, next to Grier St. Hallstead & Morgan Streets are shown but some of the other streets did not exist at the time. The D&H tracks are close to where the O&W crossbucks still stand.  
 
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