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B&O CPL's
 
« on: Dec 19th, 2003, 11:58am »
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I've heard from several sources over time that the top and bottom center and left markers on the B&O CPL's were white lamps while the two lamp indication for restricting on the main head were lunar..   Is there any thing to this or were they all lunar or all white?
 
Looking at B&O and NORAC rule books, the depictions of aspects using markers show a white circle as opposed to a gray/white circle for the restricting diagonal on the main head lamps.
 
Regards,
Hank


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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #1 on: Dec 22nd, 2003, 11:05am »
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Hank,
You are correct. The markers are white and the upper left- lower right in the main signal head are lunar.
As a point of interest(or maybe not), there are three types of PL's on the ex-B&O or GM&O lines. The most common is the GRS model with round backs on the light units. Less common are the early ones which may be Hall or US&S(US&S bought Hall), indentified by short flat backs on the light units. Also not common are the more modern US&S models with a sloped back on the light units. All appear the same from the front.


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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #2 on: Dec 30th, 2003, 11:03pm »
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Hank,  
     There is a difference in the color of the lunar white lights on the main mask and the white marker lights.  The lunar lights have a blue filter and produce a ghostly white color.  The marker lights above and below the main head do not use the blue filters.  They have more of a cream like incandescent light color.  Seems minor, but very noticable.  I guess thats why the differentiated in the rule book.  
 
              Greg McCartney


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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #3 on: Dec 30th, 2003, 11:21pm »
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on Dec 30th, 2003, 11:03pm, Chessie7549 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hank,  
     There is a difference in the color of the lunar white lights on the main mask and the white marker lights.  The lunar lights have a blue filter and produce a ghostly white color.  The marker lights above and below the main head do not use the blue filters.  They have more of a cream like incandescent light color.  Seems minor, but very noticable.  I guess thats why the differentiated in the rule book.  
 
                                                                     Greg McCartney

 
Actually they are not filters per se, but glass lenses that appear blue upon sight, but when one shines a white light through them, they give off the ghostly (good term) hugh that you you described.
 
Very noticible indeed! Standing on a clear dark night one can see the high green indication for the siding at Ottawa nearly 6 miles away...the lunar display, also visible on this signal, is equally as striking.
 
Hank, if you get a chance, check out my CPL signal site, I am still working on it but there may be some info there that is helpful to you.
 
Eric
 
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 31st, 2003, 1:15pm »
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Hank, would you happen to be the fellow who made the B&O CPLs for MSTS?  If so, great work!  I hope you don't mind, but I made a modification to the color of the white marker lights to give them the correct color on a route I downloaded from Trainsim site.  I did not distribute the change to anyone.
 
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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #5 on: Jan 1st, 2004, 8:25pm »
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on Dec 31st, 2003, 1:15pm, Chessie7549 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hank, would you happen to be the fellow who made the B&O CPLs for MSTS?  If so, great work!  I hope you don't mind, but I made a modification to the color of the white marker lights to give them the correct color on a route I downloaded from Trainsim site.  I did not distribute the change to anyone.
 
                                                Greg McCartney
Would you mind posting a screan shot that shows your signals?  I sure would like to see it.  
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 1st, 2004, 11:33pm »
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Thank you all for the CPL info.  Here's a screen cap of some lower Quadrant semaphores I made for the MS train sim....
 
I post some other styles soon.
 
Hank


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« Reply #7 on: Jan 2nd, 2004, 11:51am »
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Here's some MSTS constructs for searchlight, colorlight and positionlight styles......
 
Hank


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« Reply #10 on: Jan 2nd, 2004, 11:54am »
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 11:53am »
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Here's the B&O color positionlight style for MSTrainSim.  The absolute version has the ability to show any of the six markers.  I've also made the dwarf to show any of the marker arms, also.
 
Hank


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« Reply #12 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 12:22pm »
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Nice work Hank!  Very  
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 7th, 2004, 4:11pm »
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on Jan 3rd, 2004, 11:53am, signalman wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here's the B&O color positionlight style for MSTrainSim.  The absolute version has the ability to show any of the six markers.  I've also made the dwarf to show any of the marker arms, also.
 
Hank

 
 
Here is some inspiration:
 


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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #14 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 6:32pm »
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on Jan 2nd, 2004, 11:51am, signalman wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here's some MSTS constructs for searchlight, colorlight and positionlight styles......
 
Hank

Reminds me of the old P&LE Signals


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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #15 on: Jun 19th, 2004, 5:53pm »
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Some of the marker lights can also display yellow. A yellow marker light on the top right in combination with a green position light is an approach slow indication. A yellow marker light in the lower right in combination with a green position light is a medium approach slow indication.

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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #16 on: Jun 29th, 2004, 7:09pm »
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on Dec 19th, 2003, 11:58am, signalman wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I've heard from several sources over time that the top and bottom center and left markers on the B&O CPL's were white lamps while the two lamp indication for restricting on the main head were lunar..   Is there any thing to this or were they all lunar or all white?
 
Looking at B&O and NORAC rule books, the depictions of aspects using markers show a white circle as opposed to a gray/white circle for the restricting diagonal on the main head lamps.
 
Regards,
Hank

 
The lunar lights on the main head, as well as those little triangles were late adaptions.   For years a right or left lunar green,  or  lunar yellow was the indication for diverging and diverging restricted on the B&O depending on the particular interlocking alignment.   Center lunar green of course was a clear board or high green.
 
The difference between lunar and white is that the purple/blue filter on a lunar when illuminated by a headlight will reflect back as a pure white light.  
 
The letter P indicated a distant signal and the G indicated a grade signal, per the usual definition.
 


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« Reply #17 on: Jul 11th, 2004, 9:40pm »
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The lunar lights on the main head, as well as those little triangles were late adaptions.   For years a right or left lunar green,  or  lunar yellow was the indication for diverging and diverging restricted on the B&O depending on the particular interlocking alignment.   Center lunar green of course was a clear board or high green.
 
The difference between lunar and white is that the purple/blue filter on a lunar when illuminated by a headlight will reflect back as a pure white light.  
 
The letter P indicated a distant signal and the G indicated a grade signal, per the usual definition.
 
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Actually, the headlight had nothing to do with the lunar white indication. The lense of the lunar white indication was actually blue, and when illuminated would glow blue-white, similar to the color of the moon on a clear night (hence the name "lunar white"). These signals are not pure white and when seen next to a white maker, you can see the difference. I will try to dig up a photo to show the difference.
 
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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #18 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 9:40am »
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Actually, the pilot lights usually have a Clear lense. I've seen a few to know first hand.
 
On some occasions, signal maintainers have been known to interchange the Lunar White and Clear lenses between the main head and the pilot lights. This causes much confusion on the proper white color.  
 
The general rule is: Clear for pilot and Lunar White on the main head.
 
Cass Telles  
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Re: B&O CPL's
 
« Reply #19 on: Dec 31st, 2004, 11:42pm »
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Can you send me the site where you got this an can you send me som screen shots from gradecrossings.Railroad Crossings ECT
     Thanks RDG2124


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