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SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
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George_Harris
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SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« on: Jul 12th, 2013, 1:49pm »
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Train heading out of Paris derailed and hit platform.  "seven dead and dozens injured"  Not much information as yet.  
 
see:   http://news.yahoo.com/packed-train-derails-near-paris-7-believed-dead-165508520.html
 
The above information was found on several sources.  Some said, "packed" Others said "385 passengers".
 
This was evidently a packed Friday afternoon train out of Paris.  
 
From other sources:  "#train SNCF 3657 just left Paris Austerlitz, passed Bretigny at high speed. Some passengers electrocuted."  
 
From the pictures it crashed into the platform.


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Re: SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« Reply #1 on: Jul 12th, 2013, 5:15pm »
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From the BBC as of about 2 hours after the crash:
 
Deaths:  6
"22 others were seriously injured"
16:53 left Paris
17:14 crash time at Bretigny
20:05 due at Limoges-Benedictins  
 
No comments are being made about cause as yet.


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Re: SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« Reply #2 on: Jul 15th, 2013, 11:16am »
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July has not been a good month for the rail industry.
Canada, France and now Delaware.


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Re: SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« Reply #3 on: Jul 20th, 2013, 10:55pm »
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on Jul 12th, 2013, 5:15pm, George_Harris wrote:       (Click here for original message)
From the BBC as of about 2 hours after the crash:
 
Deaths:  6
"22 others were seriously injured"
16:53 left Paris
17:14 crash time at Bretigny
20:05 due at Limoges-Benedictins  
 
No comments are being made about cause as yet.

 
Have heard some reports that it may have been a broken rail. And that another train going toward Paris stopped just short of plowing into the wreckage.


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Re: SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« Reply #4 on: Jul 24th, 2013, 2:00am »
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Here is some more info:
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/17/paris-train-disaster-dark-side-railway-tgv
 
Does not give more in the way of specifics about the accident that already out, but does provide specifics on the casualties:
"Of the six people killed, four had been standing on the platform: an elderly couple in their 80s; a 23-year-old assistant at the local high school and a 19-year-old budding local footballer from Guadeloupe. In the carriages, two women aged 27 and 64 died."
 
There was a lot said in this article about the general condition of the French railway system outside the TGV lines.  It appears that conditions are regarded as not so good and declining.  There was also a good bit said about the age of the coaches which is or is approaching 30 years.  (They have got to be kidding.  For an American passenger car 30 years is barely broke in good.)
 
http://www.afp.com/en/news/topstories/inspectors-find-track-fault-french-derailment-site
This article had some diagrams that appeared to give some good clarification, but they could not be blown up (or I could not make it happen).  It does appear that the electric loco and the first couple of coaches stayed on the track and the final four derailed, with one sliding down the platform adjacent to the track.  
 
 
http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/safety/damaged-turnout-likely-cause-of-fatal-sncf-wreck.html
Since this from the trade press it is a little better in getting the railroad stuff right.  It also has a picture of the detached joint bar.  It appears to be in the middle of a crossing diamond that has movable center frogs.   It also gives the train speed and speed limit:  137 km/h and 150 km/h, that is, 85 mph and 93 mph.


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Re: SNCF Bretigny-sur-Orge, (12 miles) south of Paris
 
« Reply #5 on: Jul 24th, 2013, 7:41pm »
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85 when it happed, and a 93 mph speed limit, through a station? We'd consider those as high speeds, wouldn't we now? And only six (tragic for them and their families, but when one considers what it could have been)  killed. Lucky.

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