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ClydeDET
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« on: May 18th, 2013, 9:03pm »
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Commuter wreck at Fairfield yesterday afternoon.  North-bound train out of Grand Central derailed, derailed cars got hit by south-bound. 250 on board the trains, 50 injured, apparently (praise God!) no fatalities.
 
NTSB comments from team indicate they found a fractured rail that is "of interest". May be wheel marks on the fractured surface if I understand the news bite.


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« Reply #1 on: May 19th, 2013, 9:01am »
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Clyde - All -  
 
Thanks for message here. Yeah, let's follow this one. Initial reports could not, of course, offer much explanation of possible cause.  
The "fractured rail" theory of the case is plausible. Whether the failure avoidable a related discussion. (I'll guess "GH" might be following this?)
 
Meanwhile, and so help me this was absurd! In a SA 18 MAY, early, "national feed" Radio News, an ignorant use of words, and remark  
of "aging railroad plant"! Gimme a break! This the AMTK NEC Main Line. This METRO NORTH with a fleet of shiny new, "state of the art" Cars.  
 
There has been so much money thrown at the old NEW HAVEN line in past four decades, it exceeds net worths of many Third World  
Nations! Sigh! Ignorant remarks are ignorant remarks!
 
...........................Vern............................
 


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« Reply #2 on: May 19th, 2013, 6:22pm »
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Well, later reports indicate about 700 on the trains (which fits rush-hour trains better) and 82 injured (46 at one hospital, 26 at another), most ""treated and released", indicative of injuries of a fairly minor nature. Praise God no fatalities.
 
Trains moving compass east (derailed train) and west (striking train), but timetable north and south, of course.
 
I noticed that aging comment. Meh. Understand they were busy hunting the northbound that passed the wreck site prior to the derailment.


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« Reply #3 on: May 20th, 2013, 6:36pm »
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So far I don't know enough to say anything.  There has been a lot of arm waving and running around in circles, but very little in the way of solid facts.  Looks to be in effect a head on sideswipe.  Looking at some aerial views, it appears that the track centers are really close.  I would say under 13 feet for sure, and possibly close to 12 feet.  There was broken rail, but nothing solid enough to say whether it was a cause or an effect.  Wheel marks on the side of the rail doesn't necessarily prove that it was the cause, as these could have been made by wheels following after the time of the breaking.

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« Reply #4 on: May 21st, 2013, 6:06am »
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George - Clyde - All -  
 
This a collateral point, but must note the obvious fairly close track centers thru the subject Station area. At this point, it is speculative  
to wonder what possible effect it may have had in this incident. In a way, it is, "...ah, we see that on Eastern Area Railroads, it is very  
old right of way..."...
 
Also, and we will need to see actual report of what happened, apparently neither train running at high speed. Note the lead car in the  
Photos. Do we see the front end of the car somewhat twisted out of alignment with car body? If so, raises some questions about lateral  
strength and integrity of the structure? (We rarely, if ever, saw that in the ages back BUDD Car product.)
 
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on May 21st, 2013, 6:06am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
George - Clyde - All -  
 
This a collateral point, but must note the obvious fairly close track centers thru the subject Station area. At this point, it is speculative  
to wonder what possible effect it may have had in this incident. In a way, it is, "...ah, we see that on Eastern Area Railroads, it is very  
old right of way..."...
 
Also, and we will need to see actual report of what happened, apparently neither train running at high speed. Note the lead car in the  
Photos. Do we see the front end of the car somewhat twisted out of alignment with car body? If so, raises some questions about lateral  
strength and integrity of the structure? (We rarely, if ever, saw that in the ages back BUDD Car product.)
 
...........................Vern..........................

 
I am not going to comment on damage to the cars and what may be implied. But doesn't seem to have been serious penetration of anything, which is good.
 
Close centers would be expected in a line built when that one was. But - I recall that the way the PRR seemed to operate through Aberdeen wasn't the way they were running here. I recall it as four tracks, the  tracks on each side serving a platform (tunnel under the track for connection), with the other two generally running same direction as the one to the right.  Not  a lot of chance for a head-on, even a scraping one, though things could go badly wrong.


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