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Re: SEPTA photos - By Charlie_O on 08/16/07 at 18:41:26 - 'Septa_127_Hford.jpg' 176 KB
An eastbound stops at the station...


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Re: SEPTA photos - By Charlie_O on 08/16/07 at 18:40:23 - 'Septa_362_Hford.jpg' 207 KB
Found these on an old roll of film... thought we could all use a touch of winter in these dog days of August.
 
Septa westbound at, I believe, Haverford PA.  Kicking up some powder...


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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By Charlie_O on 07/01/07 at 20:32:05 - 'Septa_218_CliftonHts.jpg' 171 KB
Vintage Septa Silverliner IIs race across the trestle high above Darby Creek on the R3 Media/Elwyn line.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 06/04/07 at 19:28:32 - 'IMGP7560.jpg' 167 KB
Old and the new. It seems they get along quite nicely.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:54:03 - 'IMGP6698.jpg' 96 KB
Back on the R5.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:46:56 - 'IMGP6685.jpg' 38 KB
Extra RL61

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:46:07 - 'IMGP6678.jpg' 163 KB
SEPTA 352. (Train ID)

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:44:06 - 'IMGP6670.jpg' 51 KB
Now on to the R3 Line. All were shot in the Langhorne, PA area.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:42:55 - 'IMGP6654.jpg' 33 KB
Passing under the ex-RDG signal bridge.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 04/25/07 at 23:41:42 - 'IMGP6652.jpg' 57 KB
I made a trip to the R3 line today. But I had to take the R5 to get there.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By silver_champion on 03/29/07 at 09:27:28 - 'L_72_1088x816-1-.jpg' 195 KB
SEPTA's Folcroft Station is a great spot to watch and take pictures of
trains. You can see the trains coming and get your camera ready.
Here is a R2 train coming into the station.

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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By Charlie_O on 03/25/07 at 13:06:43 - 'Septa_176_Media.jpg' 210 KB
A slightly wider, side view...


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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By Charlie_O on 03/25/07 at 13:05:33 - 'SEPTA_211_Media.jpg' 260 KB
Drove to Media this morning because I heard that the western portion of Septa's R3 Elwyn line was closed for track work this weekend.  I had hoped to catch perhaps the line train or even West Chester RR's Alco.  Sadly, all I found were a couple of hi-rails and a cherry picker.  Turns out it was just weed cutting they were doing.  
 
My consolation prize is this photo of equipment laying over at Media.  At left is one of the older Silverliner II's in Septa's fleet, #211.
 
-Charlie

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 03/15/07 at 15:23:58 - 'IMGP6159.jpg' 177 KB
I'll prvide two things.
 
First, a video of some SETPA stuff I shot. LINK URL
 
Second, a photo from the same day. Shot between Link Belt and Colmar stations.
 
Enjoy!
- Adam

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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By silver_champion on 03/04/07 at 08:34:07 - '81B.jpg' 66 KB
In this picture, was there 4 cars that look like this called
Pioneer 3.  I think they were out before the Silverliners hit the rails

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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By Charlie_O on 03/03/07 at 23:45:56 - 'PCTrenton-2.jpg' 109 KB
Tho part of the later St. Louis order, this photo is my only example of a Silverliner featuring the Penn Central logo.  Taken at Trenton NJ in the summer of 1976.  Note the recently repainted Conrail bay window caboose in the background.  
-Charlie

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By chuchubob on 02/23/07 at 13:25:18 - '74_06-19_Brill.jpg' 127 KB
and here's an outbound doubleheader in Villanova photographed from the rear motorman's seat of an inbound on June 19, 1974

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By chuchubob on 02/23/07 at 13:18:40 - '74_10-17_PW1-2.jpg' 209 KB
Thanks to "Casey" for posting links to two of my snow pix on previous pages.  Here's a fall foliage photo from Oct 17, 1974, in Radnor.

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Re: Market-Frankford: The Way It Was - By silver_champion on 02/17/07 at 08:17:26 - '50-3.jpg' 196 KB
on Jul 16th, 2006, 7:03pm, W.G McAdoo wrote:       (Click here for original message)
                                                    Though I'll never be considered an expert (or seasoned traveler!!) on the old Market-Frankford line, I was able to ride the line several times during two visits to Philly during the summer of 1983. At the time, I had no idea that I was experiencing living rapid transit history! Of course, the veteran Almond Joys were still in use, which was a treat in itself. Also, I recall many of the elevated stations looking like decrepit time warps: worn wooden platforms, ancient lighting fixtures, and examples of some really old signage. I still recall seeing a few ancient enamel signs (obviously dating back to the line's earliest days), advising passengers that trains stopped at the center of the platform. You could see......touch.....and SMELL the rich history of the old El in so many ways back then. Today, in 2006, I'm pretty certain that most (if not all) of what I remember from the summer of 1983 is now history.  Still, I consider myself VERY fortunate to have experienced even the the thinnest slice of the Market-Frankford line....the way it USED to be!! Anyone else from down Philly way have any memories (or pics) to share??

I am glad that I can say that I have been on all three cars on the Line.
SEPTA is doing a very good job of rebuilding its stations on the Market-Frankford line. I am not a much of a fan on the cars that ABB build, but love the Budd Cars I wish that SEPTA would rebuild its City Hall Station on the
Broad St. Subway, Here is a picture of the first cars in W.Philly.


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Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY P&W, MFSE!!!! - By silver_champion on 02/13/07 at 08:18:31 - '50-2.jpg' 193 KB
Happy 100 birthday of the Market-Frankford line. Here is a picture of the "El" in W. Philly. I think that this picture is in the 1950s

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Re: Route 15-PCCII Problems - By chuchubob on 01/30/07 at 18:18:53 - '07_01-22_08.jpg' 140 KB
They were back in service Monday Jan 22.

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Re: Regional Rail "debate" - By focv989 on 01/05/07 at 10:31:33 - 'Oct18FRAmap.jpg' 62 KB
My simple reply is this map straight from the USDOT.  If you look in the SEPTA long term plans on their website you will see that amtrak and SEPTA ar both putting money into upgrading the main line.  the plan is just like any other large scale railroad project.  They are going to start out in bringing it to harrrisburg then won't start putting up the wire to pittsburg untill the first segment is completed.  If you want true HIgh speed service you came to the wrong country.  The federal government would much rather put passenger trains on existing freight rails than sink money into new constrution.

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Re: Almond Joys: NOT the candy bars!! - By chuchubob on 12/02/06 at 19:15:07 - '74_06-19_2.jpg' 90 KB
one more

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Re: Almond Joys: NOT the candy bars!! - By chuchubob on 12/01/06 at 23:00:30 - '74_06-19_1.jpg' 101 KB
June 19, 1974

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Re: Almond Joys: NOT the candy bars!! - By silver_champion on 11/28/06 at 08:01:10 - 'mf.jpg' 181 KB
v Ok SEPTA fans. Imperial Hobby Productions will be soon releasing models of the Budd build M3 cars. No price of the cars as yet. Here is a picture of them.

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Re: Trackless Trolley Memories - By silver_champion on 11/05/06 at 15:58:27 - '2.jpg' 172 KB
I did not like this cars. They started up funny to me. Why did SEPTA  take them out of service

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Re: Trackless Trolley Memories - By silver_champion on 11/05/06 at 15:56:47 - '1.jpg' 99 KB
Here is a picture of one of the older trackless trolley at Bridge and Pratt Station.

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Re: Trackless Trolley Memories - By RDG_4-8-4 on 11/05/06 at 12:54:58 - 'Photo_2006_11_5_17_2_44_edited.jpg' 54 KB
A photo of the brand new prototype Flyer/AM General trackless trolley at Frankford Depot, with a Marmon-Harrington in the background.  This was, at that time, the only trackless trolley equipped with a wheelchair lift.  Hope you enjoyed.

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Re: Trackless Trolley Memories - By RDG_4-8-4 on 11/05/06 at 12:53:11 - 'Photo_2006_11_5_17_0_11_edited.jpg' 47 KB
I just read on railroad.net that there was a meeting where the board supposedly decided that the trackless trolley routes in South Philly are to be permenantly converted to hybrid-electric bus, while keeping the wires on the three remaining Northeast Philly routes.  So, in memoriam, here's a view of a brand new Flyer/AM General trackless trolley on the 79-Snyder Ave. back in 1980.  Long live the 29 and 79.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 10/31/06 at 19:02:21 - 'IMGP2858.jpg' 118 KB
My best night photo: Taken in Jenkintown. This is the best spot to catch R5, R3, R2, and the occasional R1 trains.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 10/31/06 at 18:59:50 - 'IMGP2754.jpg' 118 KB
The line-up in Lansdale.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 10/31/06 at 18:57:34 - 'IMGP2838.jpg' 170 KB
Great shot Charlie!
 
Here's one from the 10/17.

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Re: SEPTA's oldest MU's today - By Charlie_O on 10/31/06 at 16:37:48 - 'Septa_215_Radnor.jpg' 135 KB
Caught this shot in Radnor today... an eastbound led by 1963 Budd Silverliner II.  Just a li'l younger than me. And we're both still on the rails.  
 
-Charlie

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By silver_champion on 10/24/06 at 08:59:56 - '50.jpg' 193 KB
I don't know, but can anyone tell me if any of the first cars on the Market-Frankford line preserved. see picture below

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By PVMRR76 on 10/07/06 at 23:44:53 - 'PATROLLEY5362tif_copy.jpg' 188 KB
And Philadelphia car #5362 near the Washington County fairgrounds about 12 years ago.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By PVMRR76 on 10/07/06 at 23:41:36 - 'IMGP3484_copy.jpg' 128 KB
Here is a back lighted  shot taken as 2711 passes a volunteer working on a passenger shelter near the new car barn.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By PVMRR76 on 10/07/06 at 23:38:51 - 'IMGP3466_copy.jpg' 150 KB
I visited the PA Trolley mesum today & rode in their Bombardier rebuilt PCC car from Philly. The SEPTA Bullet car and the elevated line car are now in the new display building.  
 
Here is PCC 2711 waiting at the station today.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/07/06 at 22:56:26 - 'Pioneer_III_s_Strasburg_716x537.jpg' 66 KB
Pioneer III's:

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 22:29:43 - 'Pioneer_IIIs.jpg' 365 KB
Preserved at the RR Museum of PA.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 20:25:44 - 'PW_205_5.jpg' 166 KB
Another of 205 at Rock Hill.  For some strange reason, I could not reduce the size of this photo.  It said "Unable to find (caption)."  Enjoy anyway.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 20:21:30 - 'PRT_8534_716x537.jpg' 72 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 20:20:48 - 'Red_Arrow_18_and_21_748x517.jpg' 53 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 19:56:04 - 'LVT_801.jpg' 63 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 19:54:38 - 'no-1-.76_716x537.jpg' 75 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 19:53:45 - 'Red_Arrow_No._24-2.jpg' 123 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 15:23:15 - 'PW_163_in_Mt._Dora_FL.jpg' 292 KB
P&W 163 as she appears today (Bert Bertino photo).

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:19:59 - 'PW_46_and_401_on_the_Santa_Train_Penns_Landing.jpg' 51 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:18:19 - 'Budd_Almond_Joy_PTM.jpg' 51 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:17:50 - 'Linda_Liberty_Liner_748x517.jpg' 62 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:16:56 - 'Red_Arrow_No._66_Arden_Loop-2.jpg' 94 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:16:11 - 'Red_Arrow_Master_Unit_No._80_716x537-2.jpg' 74 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:15:32 - 'Red_Arrow_Master_Unit_No._78-Allison-2.jpg' 93 KB
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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:14:33 - 'Red_Arrow_No._14_carbarn-2.jpg' 78 KB


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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:13:38 - 'Brilliner_No._8_Shore_Line_TM.jpg' 62 KB
Another.

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Re: Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:12:32 - 'Bullet_205_and_Strafford_162_RTM.jpg' 64 KB
Another.

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Preserved SEPTA/pre-SEPTA cars - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/06/06 at 14:11:43 - 'Bullet_206_Steamtown_broadside.jpg' 47 KB
Post any photos or clickable links to any cars you know of (subway/elevated, commuter rail, or trolley) that have been preserved.  Let's start with this one:

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 14:00:32 - 'Bullet_206_and_N-5_King_Manor.jpg' 56 KB
Last one.  Soon-to-be-picked-up 206 waits for her piggyback trailer ride to Tobyhanna while an N-5 goes past.  From Tobyhanna, she will be towed the last few miles to Scranton behind diesel locomotives, coupled via an adapter to some DL&W "Green" MU cars, on the steel highway of Phoebe Snow, to her new home.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:56:11 - 'Bullet_with_N-5_Shops.jpg' 62 KB
A VERY rare photo, but one I tried very hard to get.  No. 206 poses with prototype N-5 inside the 72nd St. Shops.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:54:13 - 'Almond_Joys_CTAs._N-5.jpg' 54 KB
A classic lineup:  Almond Joys, CTA's, and the prototype N-5 MU at 69th St.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:53:05 - 'Bullet_Train_mural-2.jpg' 43 KB
SEPTA pays homage to the Bullets with this mural at the 69th St. waiting room.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:50:05 - 'Bullet_209_Norristown.jpg' 57 KB
Short was the period when Bullets terminated at the then-new Norristown Transportation Center.  No. 209 poses before a southbound trip to 69th st.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:48:40 - 'Bullet_208_Radnor.jpg' 70 KB
208 pulls into Radnor.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:47:31 - 'Bullet_206_West_Overbrook.jpg' 80 KB
Same car at West Overbrook.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:46:33 - 'Bullet_206_Penfield.jpg' 81 KB
206 makes a station stop at Penfield.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:44:44 - 'Bullet_206_taken_fron_CTA_train.jpg' 66 KB
I LOVE this image because the timing was just right.  Taken from a northbound CTA train, No. 206 passes south.  The combined speed of both trains at this point was about 100 MPH!!!

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:43:29 - 'Bullet_206_State_Rd._underpass.jpg' 68 KB
Splitting C&O-type signals just outside 69th St. Terminal.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:42:01 - 'Bullet_205_Ardmore_Jct..jpg' 68 KB
No. 205 at the same location, southbound.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:38:14 - 'Red_Arrow_No._66_Arden_Loop.jpg' 94 KB
And posing at Arden Loop.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:37:29 - 'Red_Arrow_No._66_Allison.jpg' 91 KB
Though I'm too young to remember seeing these cars in regular service, I rode sister car No. 73 many times during railfan charters.  No. 66 passes Allison on the way back to Pittsburgh (Oh, OKAY!!  McClane Loop!!!).

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:34:38 - 'Red_Arrow_No._24.jpg' 123 KB
Sister car No. 24 retains its Gulf Oil colors, albeit retouched and waxed.  As of a few years ago, this car, among others, was used during Halloween occasions at PTM when orange-colored cars were the order of the day.  Today it is on display inside their new storage building.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:30:28 - 'Red_Arrow_No._14_Allison.jpg' 49 KB
During the 1950's, Pittsburgh Rwys. leased a few Red Arrow cars for a short time to help out due to an electrical defect in their interurban-service PCC's.  The Red Arrow St. Louis cars were well-liked by Pgh Rwys. employees due to their higher speeds and smoother riding qualities.  PST No. 14 passes Allison while running from the Steel City to Washington, PA.
 
We can imagine, can we?

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:27:36 - 'Red_Arrow_No._14_carbarn.jpg' 78 KB
In front of PTM's carbarn.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:26:32 - 'Red_Arrow_No._14_Arden_Loop.jpg' 88 KB
At Arden Loop.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 13:25:37 - 'Red_Arrow_No._14_dedication.jpg' 65 KB
Here's some more Red Arrow memories.  Taken summer, 2004.  The unveiling of Red Arrow No. 14.  The former president of Red Arrow, now in his 80's, is at the controls.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 09:54:36 - 'PA_Trolley_Museum_June_04_002.jpg' 58 KB
Can't leave out the Louie's.  Freshly-restored No. 14, also at the PA Trolley Museum.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 09:45:10 - 'Brilliner_No._8_3_quarter.jpg' 29 KB
Out of 40 Brilliners built, only 4 still exist today.  Out of those 4 only this one, at the Shore Line Trolley Museum, has been cosmetically restored.  She runs on one regauged truck and a shop truck, so she can only be shifted around the carbarn area.  These cars especially looked great in Gulf Oil, but to me, they looked best in this paint scheme.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 09:42:34 - 'Red_Arrow_Master_Unit_No._80_716x537.jpg' 74 KB
By next summer you should also be able to ride this one as well.  Scranton, PA.  Compare the windshield on this car with the original configuration on No. 78.

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Re: Philly:pre & post-SEPTA/Guts 'n Glory - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/03/06 at 09:41:08 - 'Red_Arrow_Master_Unit_No._78-Allison.jpg' 93 KB
on Oct 3rd, 2006, 12:37am, W.G McAdoo wrote:       (Click here for original message)
                   Would ya LOVE to be able to ride these again?? LINK URL

 
You can.  Sister No. 78 is one of the "regulars" running at the PA Trolley Museum.


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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:42:02 - 'Bullet_208_approaches_King_Manor.jpg' 55 KB
208 approaches King Manor.  This is one of the relatively few straight sections of track on the line.  With the signals (Let's just say it's a color position light with the bottom green light out!! ) and third rail, this really looks like the LIRR!!

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:39:28 - '3-car_Bullet_train_Bryn_Mawr.jpg' 74 KB
50th Anniversary of the Bullets trip poses at Bryn Mawr.  Please ignore caption; it's only a 2-car train.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:38:06 - 'Bullet_201_Wynnewood.jpg' 82 KB
No. 201 NB at Wynnewood.  This was the last Bullet in maroon; car was scrapped after an electrical fire cut it down to a mere shell.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:37:16 - '163_at_King_Manor.jpg' 287 KB
No. 163 SB at King Manor.  This car has been motorized and now runs in Mt. Dora, FL as a Dinner Train.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:34:56 - 'Bullet_trains_Gulph_Mills.jpg' 66 KB
And meets with a NB.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:34:14 - 'Bullet_201_Gulph_Mills.jpg' 18 KB
SB train approaches Gulph Mills.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:33:07 - 'Bullet_207_County_Line.jpg' 51 KB
No. 207 SB at County Line doing track speed.  This car broke 100 MPH while testing its extended wheelbase trucks for lateral motion.  It wore them to the end and as a result was a "favorite" car among crew members.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:32:27 - 'Bullet_206_Gulph_Cut.jpg' 75 KB
Here's more proof.  Notice that trains used to run with their headlights on during the daytime.  SEPTA later stopped that practice for many years and then reinstituted it when twin sealed-beam headlights were installed in the remaining Bullet and Strafford cars.  No. 206 is now on display at Steamtown in Scranton, PA, only a few hundred feet away from UP Big Boy No. 4012.

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Re: The P&W: NOT a TROLLEY line!! - By RDG_4-8-4 on 10/02/06 at 00:30:43 - 'PW_plaque-2.jpg' 133 KB
The truth is that from day one, the P&W was a railroad during the entirety of its private ownership, as well as through all but the first 6 months or so of Red Arrow ownership.  When the last interchange freight car left the property in 1970, the line was immediately cut off from the outside world and immediately became a trolley operation, using the existing the existing fleet of electric MU's and the 2 Liners.  Red Arrow originally called it "P&W Street Railway" until it was discovered that with freight operating on the line at night that it was a big federal no-no to refer to it as a "Street" railway, so it was changed back to P&W Railroad.
 
As for the "High-Speed Trolley" terminology, this was all caused by the newsmedia seeing something that looked like a trolley to them and it stuck to this day.  They even referred to the CTA cars as trolleys.  I even read a flyer that was posted at the Beechwood-Brookline station during single-tracking that said something like, "Board trolleys on other side....."  But here's solid proof that the P&W was a railroad and NOT a trolley line.

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Re: P&W:N'awlins-style - By chuchubob on 09/29/06 at 14:24:15 - '74_10-17_PW1.jpg' 230 KB
Of course, I'd much rather ride a Bullet Car!

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Re: P&W:N'awlins-style - By chuchubob on 09/29/06 at 14:23:19 - '06_09-26_090.jpg' 129 KB
I didn't clock the speeds, but my two express trips on the N-5 last Tuesday felt like they were FAST!

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Re: SEPTA Pics & Videos Thread - By silver_champion on 09/28/06 at 15:27:17 - 'i103.jpg' 93 KB
This looks like first class going across country, not a SEPTA commuter trains

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Re: P&W:N'awlins-style - By RDG_4-8-4 on 09/25/06 at 13:33:46 - 'March_9_2004_021-2.jpg' 65 KB
Well, that dream did come true in a way for a short time.  A southbound slices past Perryville, MD, slowing for the Susquehanna River Bridge's 90 MPH restriction along the PRR's "Big Red Subway."

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Re: 69th Street Terminal ... - By silver_champion on 09/25/06 at 08:50:39 - '491-2.jpg' 53 KB
I am trying to remember where I saw the track layout for the 69 St. terminal. I will post and email it when I find it. Here is a picture of part of the storage area at 69St.

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PCC CARS COMES TO DARBY,PA. - By silver_champion on 09/24/06 at 09:12:54 - 'DSCF0070.jpg' 130 KB
Remember the PTC's PCC cars. Well when I was a kid in the 50 & 60's we called them Streamline Cars. OCTROLLEYFEST 2006 on Oct 14 there will be a trolley ride of one of the old PTC car. OCTROLLEYFEST 2006, well be in Darby,Pa.

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Re: The P&W: If the Bullets never were - By RDG_4-8-4 on 09/19/06 at 09:38:10 - 'LVT_and_PRSL_Reds.jpg' 53 KB
on Aug 16th, 2006, 4:03pm, Walt_C wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
 
P&W itself (AS the P&W, and not SEPTA Route 100) defies categorization. The best description I've seen is simply "America's most unusual railway" It was certainly much more than a "trolley line", yet it never used railroad sized passenger equipment, and was always operated more as an interurban, albeit a "super interurban", than as a mainline (steam) railroad.

 
The P&W, due to its interchange freight operation, though modest, was under ICC (FRA post-1966) control until 1970; so there was at least some Class I RR influence.  Other interurbans under ICC control were the 3 Insull lines out of Chicago, Illinois Terminal, PE, and Sacremento Northern, among many others.  Also, the original St. Louis cars of 1907, I feel, did approach steam road proportions.  This is a photo of an LVT 800-series Jewett car posing with my PRSL MP-54.  The LVT 800's were the same size as the P&W Louies, except a few feet longer.  Compare the proportions of the two HO scale models.
 
BTW:  Post No. 3500.

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Re: Philadelphia & Western....Southern......Northe - By RDG_4-8-4 on 09/10/06 at 23:07:11 - 'PW_plaque.jpg' 133 KB
on Sep 6th, 2006, 12:20am, W.G McAdoo wrote:       (Click here for original message)
                             Fellow P&W fans: It's always VERY refreshing to discuss the old P&W with men who KNOW well enough that the system was a HIGH-SPEED ELECTRIC RAILROAD and NOT a TROLLEY LINE!! No one loves trolleys more than I do, but, to classify the old P&W as a mere trolley line would be like classifying the late, great Francis A. Sinatra as a mere "nightclub singer". I'll always believe that the old P&W certainly could have REALLY made it into the big time, had circumstances been different. LONG LIVE THE P&W!!

 
Mr. McAdoo, look no further.  If this doesn't prove that the P&W was indeed a honest-to-gosh, bona-fide, genuine RAILROAD, nothing will!
 
PS:  This is the Ithan Substation, currently undergoing restoration, along the P&W Strafford line hiking-biking trail.


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Re: SEPTA photos - By silver_champion on 09/10/06 at 10:02:50 - 'DARBY_STATION-2.jpg' 96 KB
I can't tell you how many hours I have been here at Darby Station  and watching all kind of trains. The is a SEPTA train from Chester, Wilmington going to Philly.

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Re: Philadelphia & Western....Southern......Northe - By RDG_4-8-4 on 09/04/06 at 22:50:53 - 'Bullet_train_passes_freight.jpg' 64 KB
Another "What might/could have been" for McAdoo.  A northbound express overtakes a freight in the controlled siding.

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Re: SEPTA photos - By Adam17 on 08/31/06 at 01:37:27 - 'IMGP2101.jpg' 122 KB
North Wales, PA. R5 line.

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Re: Philadelphia & Western....Southern......Northe - By RDG_4-8-4 on 08/14/06 at 19:52:24 - 'Bullet_train_going_away_736x556.jpg' 67 KB
Something you'll never see in real life.  With horn blaring, a Bullet train slices across a rural grade crossing in Northern New Jersey.  Sorry about the pi$$-poor quality.  I took down my 4-track main line HO layout 4 years ago because we had to make room for shelves for the thousands of toys and games for our two kids.

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Re: Philadelphia & Western....Southern......Northe - By RDG_4-8-4 on 08/14/06 at 18:03:03 - 'Bullet_train_Master_Unit_in_DC_790x322.jpg' 49 KB
Did someone mention Bullets in DC?  A four-car Bullet train, just a minute or two out of Union Station, whips past SAL, B&O, and PRR power sunning themselves at Ivy City Engine Terminal and a Red Arrow Master Unit-type car cruising the street along side DC Transit PCC's.  All 4 Bullets and the 80 car are mine.


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