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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #40 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 1:20am »
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A vintage view of one of the IC's 1920's heavyweight MU's.
 
Like all MU's of that era, these electrical dinosaurs were formidable, hulking, solidly-built behemoths, and woe be to anything that dared obstruct their path......
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic138.htm
 
(courtesy:newdavesrailpix.com)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #41 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 1:23am »
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A 1975 view of the IC "Highliners" at speed.......
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic152.htm
 
(courtesy: newdavesrailpix)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #42 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 1:28am »
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Rare factory views from 1971 showing "Highliners" under construction......
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic167.htm
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic173.htm
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic174.htm
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic175.htm
 
(courtesy: newdavesrailpix.com)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #43 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 1:39am »
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Nearing the end of its 50-odd years of service to generations of Chicago commuters, we see one of the old MU's, sporting the orange ends that became the practice after the tragic accident of 1972.
 
These massive old cars, right to the end, never lost that trademark air of both menace and dignity.
 
Interesting to note that, unlike their Eastern brothers, the IC cars were equipped with rapid transit-style vestibule doors.....
 
http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/ic/htm/ic043.htm
 
(courtesy: newdavesrailpix.com)


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« Reply #44 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 4:00pm »
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IMHO - Those old LIRR double deckers look like they fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. They resemble a cattle car for people.  
 
The newer IC /Metra double deckers were a progressive step in the right direction.
 
The NJT double deckers have come a long way and managed to stay under the corridor wire. I find them very comfortable.  


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #45 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 4:59pm »
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on Oct 27th, 2015, 4:00pm, NEFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
IMHO - Those old LIRR double deckers look like they fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. They resemble a cattle car for people.  
 
The newer IC /Metra double deckers were a progressive step in the right direction.
 
The NJT double deckers have come a long way and managed to stay under the corridor wire. I find them very comfortable.  

 
NEFAN:
 
If we ALL shared the SAME opinions, this would be a VERY dull world!
  
Personally, I always loved those beefy, owl-eyed LIRR double-deckers (they always looked as though they were smiling; this was a time-honored "personality" trait long shared with those venerable MP-54's!!)  
 
NJT's double-deckers/bilevels simply leave me cold....as I had mentioned early on in this topic, they remind me of nothing more than rolling condo units!  
 
What IS important, though, regardless of how we fans perceive them, is how efficiently they move people from "A" to "B", and how efficiently and economically they operate.....
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #46 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 5:10pm »
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It is also interesting to ponder why the new generation of double-deck equipment in the LIRR were built for push-pull service, instead of MU's.
 
I had heard awhile ago, too, that NJT was beginning to turn away from MU's, opting more for push-pulls; perhaps that is the reason why NJT's double-deckers were built as locomotive-hauled/push-pulls instead as MU's.......
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #47 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 5:34pm »
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Here's an interesting illustrated page on the METRA electric line (there is also mention of the 1972 IC collision).....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metra_Electric_District


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #48 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 6:04pm »
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METRA photo gallery.....
 
http://www.subwaynut.com/chicago/metra.htm
 
(courtesy: thesubwaynut)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #49 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 6:18pm »
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NJT bilevel action at Harrison, NJ (NEC)......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?102319
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?97605
 
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)


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« Reply #50 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 6:40pm »
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on Oct 27th, 2015, 5:10pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
All:
 
It is also interesting to ponder why the new generation of double-deck equipment in the LIRR were built for push-pull service, instead of MU's.
 
I had heard awhile ago, too, that NJT was beginning to turn away from MU's, opting more for push-pulls; perhaps that is the reason why NJT's double-deckers were built as locomotive-hauled/push-pulls instead as MU's.......
 
"L.F.L."

 
Yes, it seems MU equipment has fallen out of favor now.


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« Reply #51 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 6:54pm »
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Here are several vintage views of the old LIRR double-decker MP70 MU's.
 
Contrary to what some non-LIRR fans may have thought (including myself, at one time), these distinctive cars also operated in trains of single-deck cars......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42388
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42551
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42386


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« Reply #52 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 7:11pm »
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Vintage b/w views of the LIRR MP70 double-deckers at Jamaica......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43390
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43421


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« Reply #53 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 1:19am »
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In this nostalgic LIRR scene from 1959 (quite reminiscent of a vintage issue of TRAINS!), we see double-decker #1316 leading a train of single-level at Freeport..........
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?67838
 
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« Reply #54 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 6:26pm »
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Excellent page on the C&NW's original gallery cars, their history, operations, and those preserved today......
 
http://www.irm.org/railwire/rw179a1.html
 
(courtesy: IRM)


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« Reply #55 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 6:37pm »
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Recalling ESPEE's gallery cars......
 
http://www.wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/depot/commcars/cars2.html
 
(Courtesy: Espee Modelers Archive)


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« Reply #56 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 7:00pm »
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BOMBARDIER bilevels in the US and Canada....
 
http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/projects/project.bilevel-canada-usa.html
 
(courtesy: Bombardier)


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« Reply #57 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 9:39pm »
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on Oct 28th, 2015, 7:00pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
BOMBARDIER bilevels in the US and Canada....
 
http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/projects/project.bilevel-canada-usa.html
 
(courtesy: Bombardier)

 
Excellent cars. Good ride. On the cab cars, the first seats on the left side allow a near-engineer's view in the configuration TRE (Dallas-Fort Worth) chose.


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« Reply #58 on: Oct 28th, 2015, 9:53pm »
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on Oct 28th, 2015, 9:39pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Excellent cars. Good ride. On the cab cars, the first seats on the left side allow a near-engineer's view in the configuration TRE (Dallas-Fort Worth) chose.

 
Clyde:
 
Can't say I can say much negative about a modern piece of rolling stock with THAT type of feature!
 
I am now wondering if NJT is considering purchasing more bilevels in the future?
 
As I had mentioned previously, I know that NJT has been shying away from the MU concept for quite awhile now.
 
Obviously, VERY tight clearances have kept Metro-North even experimenting with bilevels on their Harlem, Hudson, and New Haven lines out of GCT......
 
"L.F.L."


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on Oct 28th, 2015, 9:53pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Clyde:
 
Can't say I can say much negative about a modern piece of rolling stock with THAT type of feature!
 
I am now wondering if NJT is considering purchasing more bilevels in the future?
 
As I had mentioned previously, I know that NJT has been shying away from the MU concept for quite awhile now.
 
Obviously, VERY tight clearances have kept Metro-North even experimenting with bilevels on their Harlem, Hudson, and New Haven lines out of GCT......
 
"L.F.L."

 
I like it as well. The TRE runs locomotive first west-bound (Dallas Union Station to Fort Worth) and cab-car leading east-bound (Fort Worth-Dallas). End of the line in Fort Worth is the old Burlington Station (beautiful hi-rise, upper floors now condos/apartments).
 
I think (not sure, but think) that MUs have the same inspection requirements as locomotives, which run cost of operation up considerably. Tight as budgets in most transit operations are, I would think the reduction in capital costs and then running costs would tend to push preference to locomotive-hauled sets. Rules may be different for light rail (like DART).


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