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JerseyRails815
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 5th, 2013, 10:16am »
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A rare car, without a doubt, D&RGW #5574........
 
http://ridgwayrailroadmuseum.org/stockcar.html


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Penn Central received a number of stock cars from its predecessor railroads but by April, 1972 these were all "removed from the roster" and did not survive until the formation of Conrail in 1976.
 
Source:  James Kinkaid; Penn Central Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment; Scotch Plains, NJ; Morning Sun Books; 1998.


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JerseyRails815
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on Sep 5th, 2013, 9:49pm, Inlet-Longport wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Penn Central received a number of stock cars from its predecessor railroads but by April, 1972 these were all "removed from the roster" and did not survive until the formation of Conrail in 1976.
 
Source:  James Kinkaid; Penn Central Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment; Scotch Plains, NJ; Morning Sun Books; 1998.

 
Good information; thanks for sharing.
 
Further info on the cars leased to the NYC from NISX:
 
57 of these cars were single-deck; the remaining 89 were of double-deck configuration (source: NYC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT, by Sweetland and Yanosey)
 
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 5th, 2013, 11:42pm »
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....the material that follows provides some information as to the final shipments of cattle by rail It comes from information provided by The North Raleigh Model Railroad Club and was last updated July 3, 2009
 
 
 
Cattle Shipping

 
A major "cargo" for the railroads used to be the shipping of cattle and other livestock, but that ended mostly in the 60's and 70's as trucking took over. Until recently the Union Pacific continued to haul livestock.  
 
Because many livestock died in the early days of shipping by rail, various laws were enacted to protect the animals. One of the laws applied to the movement of animals restricts how long (36 hours, later 28 hours unless the shipper made a request in writing) the livestock can travel without being attended to. The livestock had to be unloaded from the cars, fed, watered and rested, before being reloaded so the train could continue. While the train was stopped the stock cars had to be cleaned out and serviced.  
 
Stock cars often had means of providing water and feed to the cattle while in transit, but sometime, for short runs, the cars were just ventilated. In some cases men traveled with the stock to look after them while in transit.  
 
The D&RGW, both standard- and narrow-gauge operations, hauled livestock from as early as 1905 into the 70's, with all stock cars scrapped by the late 70's. One of the services the Rio Grande offered to ranchers was to transport livestock from mountains to lowlands and vice versa as the seasons changed.  
 
As far as routes are concerned, much of the cattle wound up being shipped to Chicago for US operations, or to Winnipeg, Toronto or Montreal in Canada.  
 
Until recently, the Union Pacific hauled hogs from Nebraska to Los Angeles for Farmer John Pork, shipped on the front of doublestack trains, once or twice a week. The cars, tri-level with built in watering troughs (HOGX 50-footers), have now been scrapped. 40' 3-deck cars were used previously. The HOGX 50 footers were originally built by Gunderson Rail Cars in Portland, OR as auto parts cars for the Missouri Pacific, and were later rebuilt for the HOGX trains.
 
 

 
The trains used to stop at Dry lake, NV (a siding named for a dry lake nearby, about 20 miles south of Las Vegas near where the tracks cross Interstate 15) for the animals to get water. Pigs being watered at Dry Lake, about July 1994. Yes, that is a Norfolk Southern locomotive on a UP train in the Nevada desert.  
 
 
At the right of the picture is the small white control shed for the hog watering hoses. The dry lake is visible down in the valley to the left of the picture.

 

 
This photo shows the old steam era water tank which was kept in place to run the watering operation and the crews that were there. The house is still at the location, but the big tank has started to leak, thus the smaller red tank to the right of the old one. The water tower is now slated for removal. The Historical Society is trying to get it moved to the County Museum in Henderson, NV.
 

 
Thanks to Kevin Leany for the photographs and updated information on the UP operations. Kevin is a utility inspector for the Nevada DOT.
 
 
.....Tom
 


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JerseyRails815
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 6th, 2013, 12:06am »
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Tom:
 
Greatly appreciate your sharing with us this great info; the photos, also, are very interesting.
 
I must admit, I was very surprised to learn that the last shipment of livestock by rail wasn't really all that long ago.
 
Here again, this was yet another once-commonplace rail operation that has since passed away down the echoing corridors of time......
 
"JerseyRails815"


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JerseyRails815
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 6th, 2013, 12:47am »
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RUTLAND's 36' single deck stock cars........
 
http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/stockcar.htm


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« Reply #26 on: Sep 6th, 2013, 12:56am »
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Earlier, I'd mentioned the stock cars once offered by LIONEL; stock cars by AMERICAN FLYER (GILBERT) were also available.......
 
http://thegilbertgallery.org/Freight%20Gallery/stock_cars.html


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JerseyRails815
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 6th, 2013, 2:44am »
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"ERIE-LACKAWANNA KOSHER SHIPMENTS-LIVESTOCK MOVEMENTS"
 
This page makes for quite interesting reading..........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/ops/kosher.html
 
(courtesy of FallenFlags.org)


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« Reply #28 on: Sep 7th, 2013, 10:55am »
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From what has been posted we can deduce that by the early to mid-Sixties stock cars probably were only seen in the Western cattle raising areas and had ceased operating east of Chicago by then.   The cars evidently basically operated between ranches and packing plants which were generally in the West and Midwest.  
 
I am also surprised that stock cars were still in use as late as the early Nineties.
Probably it was more of a minor and rag tag operation by then.


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The stock cars I remember from childhood train spotting were wooden.  They were not very colorful and painted a drab boxcar dark red.
 
In 1950 Lionel began offering several basic 0-27 sets which featured stock cars instead of box cars.  For several years Lionel offered a four car freight set hauled by ALCO diesels marked for either Union Pacific or Erie which consisted of a non-operating stock car, a two dome tank car, a hopper car and a caboose.
 
The non-operating stock car was bright yellow and lettered, of course, for "Lionel Lines"..
 
The operating stock car came in the more expensive sets.  The stock car was a sort of brownish orange.  Some of the operating stock cars had a stick-on "ARMOUR" label on them for a few years of production.
 
By the mid-Fifties Lionel produced a longer stock car which was more to scale than the original postwar cars.  This car was yellow and was marked for the NYC.  In 1958 (only) Lionel produced a red stock car marked for the MKT, a more appropriate road marking for a stock car.
 
Lionel must have noticed the decline in the number of stock cars and the stock car mold was later used for a "horse transport car" and a "circus car".


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JerseyRails815
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on Sep 7th, 2013, 10:55am, Inlet-Longport wrote:       (Click here for original message)
From what has been posted we can deduce that by the early to mid-Sixties stock cars probably were only seen in the Western cattle raising areas and had ceased operating east of Chicago by then.   The cars evidently basically operated between ranches and packing plants which were generally in the West and Midwest.  
 
I am also surprised that stock cars were still in use as late as the early Nineties.
Probably it was more of a minor and rag tag operation by then.

 
In my area of New Jersey, long ago, there were a number of slaughterhouses and meat processing plants, all served by rail (and truck)
 
The last one that I can remember (still served by rail) was the old Charles Miller Slaughterhouse in North Bergen, served by the "Susie-Q", in the 60's.
 
It is not surprising that, in their final years of operation, they were pretty much relegated to areas of the West.
 
Again, this was another oft-neglected aspect of bygone railroading that has now vanished into history........
 
"JerseyRails815"


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JerseyRails815
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on Sep 7th, 2013, 11:16am, Inlet-Longport wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The stock cars I remember from childhood train spotting were wooden.  They were not very colorful and painted a drab boxcar dark red.
 
In 1950 Lionel began offering several basic 0-27 sets which featured stock cars instead of box cars.  For several years Lionel offered a four car freight set hauled by ALCO diesels marked for either Union Pacific or Erie which consisted of a non-operating stock car, a two dome tank car, a hopper car and a caboose.
 
The non-operating stock car was bright yellow and lettered, of course, for "Lionel Lines"..
 
The operating stock car came in the more expensive sets.  The stock car was a sort of brownish orange.  Some of the operating stock cars had a stick-on "ARMOUR" label on them for a few years of production.
 
By the mid-Fifties Lionel produced a longer stock car which was more to scale than the original postwar cars.  This car was yellow and was marked for the NYC.  In 1958 (only) Lionel produced a red stock car marked for the MKT, a more appropriate road marking for a stock car.
 
Lionel must have noticed the decline in the number of stock cars and the stock car mold was later used for a "horse transport car" and a "circus car".

 
 
LIONEL also offered (non-operating) stock cars during the pre-war years; as you might guess, these can be pretty pricey these days.
 
MARX also offered tin litho cattle cars; a number of postwar tin train from Japan also featured stock cars.
 
As I had mentioned before, the short-lived postwar UNIQUE company (of Newark, NJ) also sold a stock car.
 
Of course, stock cars have long been widely availabe in HO scale, by any of a number of manufacturers.......
 
"JerseyRails815"


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Here's some interesting reading from Great Britain, where "cattle vans" were operated until 1975........
 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/7-fops/fo-cattle.htm
 
*Toy/model cattle vans were commonplace items in GB from the 1920's onward, in OO and O gauge.
 
I recall some hobby shops used to carry AIRFIX kits many years ago; a cattle van was one of the kits offered.........


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JerseyRails815
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More historical notes (and photo) from Great Britain.....
 
http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbg670b.htm


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By the 1950's and 60's, more and more livestock was being transported by truck.
 
These vintage rigs (GMC and AUTOCAR) are typical of the cattle rigs of that era, when less livestock was being transported by rail.........
 
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/bill_bedell/2005/jan/gmc-cattle.jpg
 
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/bill_bedell/2004/mar/autocar1.jpg
 
(courtesy of Hank's Truck Pictures)


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« Reply #35 on: Sep 7th, 2013, 2:31pm »
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.....at one time the Jersey Central Lines had a fleet of their own stock cars the construction of which is described in this article from The Railway Master Mechanic published back in December of 1906. Included with the article were a set of plans which are reproduced below.  
 

 
Top and Side Elevations

 

 
End Elevations

 

 
Her's a photo I found in my stack-o-stuff
 

 
I always thought it was interesting that the car is loaded with crates of what may be produce but could also be crates of chickens from the poultry farms in the Freehold NJ area. If produce perhaps the car was in service as a ventilated box car although I didn't think that a stock car could be used for the shipment of produce and, in this same time period, the CNJ did have ventilated box cars.
 
Perhaps someone reading this topic could supply some additional information as to the 'mystery cargo'.....Tom
 


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Tom:
 
Greatly appreciate you taking the time to post this latest; very interesting and informative.......yet another glimpse into an era of railroading that has long since ceased to exist.......
 
"JerrseyRails815"


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Speaking of chickens riding the rails.....
 
Back in the 50's, LIONEL offered its #6434 "POULTRY DISPATCH CAR":
 
http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=6434


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JerseyRails815
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Companion to the aforementioned LIONEL car was the #3434 operating "Chicken Sweeper" car.......
 
http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=3434


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JerseyRails815
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Another good page on LIONEL stock cars.......
 
http://lionelllc.wordpress.com/tag/cattle


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