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« Reply #180 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 4:13pm »

At the risk of throwing gas  on the fire...
 
You're all correct in a sense.  That is, a good photographer knows how his/her camera "sees" and makes judgments about composition, lighting, and cropping before ever clicking the shutter. Just as he/she makes choices about what camera, lens, and filter to use. And in the days of film, aside from a few darkroom tricks, there was little one could do to maximize the quality of an image in post-production. Digital photography lets us level that slightly skewed horizon, tweak that slightly green hue, etc. But Photoshop is not a substitute for basic skill. Just as new sneakers don't make you a better runner. There must be some combination of natural talent, practice, and hard work to get the results we desire. All Photoshop can do is take a B- shot and make it a B+.
 
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« Reply #181 on: Aug 18th, 2008, 11:13pm »

on Aug 18th, 2008, 4:13pm, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)
At the risk of throwing gas  on the fire...
 
You're all correct in a sense.  That is, a good photographer knows how his/her camera "sees" and makes judgments about composition, lighting, and cropping before ever clicking the shutter. Just as he/she makes choices about what camera, lens, and filter to use. And in the days of film, aside from a few darkroom tricks, there was little one could do to maximize the quality of an image in post-production. Digital photography lets us level that slightly skewed horizon, tweak that slightly green hue, etc. But Photoshop is not a substitute for basic skill. Just as new sneakers don't make you a better runner. There must be some combination of natural talent, practice, and hard work to get the results we desire. All Photoshop can do is take a B- shot and make it a B+.
 
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Thanks for your input, Charlie! You summed up my ideas on this matter  
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« Reply #182 on: Aug 23rd, 2008, 11:47am »

So here's my latest batch of "rejects".  Any suggestions?
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565300&key=947317775
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565297&key=645648374
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565288&key=1088152765
 
Also,  I've had a couple pictures rejected with the reason given being "backlit".  Can someone explain to me exactly what the folks at RP.net mean when they say backlit.  I've always assumed that meant the sun was behind the subject, but some of the pics I've had rejected for that reason were taken with the sun behind me . . .
 
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« Reply #183 on: Aug 23rd, 2008, 3:24pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2008, 11:47am, VaPennsyFan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So here's my latest batch of "rejects".  Any suggestions?
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565300&key=947317775
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565297&key=645648374
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565288&key=1088152765
 
Also,  I've had a couple pictures rejected with the reason given being "backlit".  Can someone explain to me exactly what the folks at RP.net mean when they say backlit.  I've always assumed that meant the sun was behind the subject, but some of the pics I've had rejected for that reason were taken with the sun behind me . . .
 
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For your 1st rejection, they rejected it for cropping.  I'm guessing that they don't like the window frame of the car that you are on.  On top of that, this photo also answers your question about backlighting.  The nose is pretty well lit, but your side of the loco is very dark.  It is obvious in this one that the sun is on the other side of the loco by looking at the shadow.  On your question about the backlit rejections, when you said the sun was behind you, it could be a case of what they should have rejected for high sun.  Summer time is a killer for mid-day shots, which is when most tourist/excursions lines run.  A good rule of thumb is if your own shadow is at least as long as you are tall (and behind you), you should not get a high sun or backlit rejection.  Don't think this one has a chance at RP.  Sorry.
 
For you 2nd rejection, I like what you are doing.  They rejected it for balance which is exactly what it says.  In your shot, there is quite a bit of "uninteresting" space on the right which is making it heavy on the left.  Only a suggestion, but I would crop the right off to about just off of the tree trunk between the trunk and the signal mast.  You already look pretty narrow before you even do that, so I would also crop some of the top off to keep your purportions.  Maybe down to just off the top of the signal heads.  I like this one because I know why you were using the ties, but I have a warped taste.  I tried a similar composition once, and it is still not in.  They may not like the dead space on the left either.  You may have to crop over to that tag scanner or whatever it is and up to the middle stack of ties to keep the purportion.  That should get rid of the narrowness, but it your shot, just my suggestions.  Hope to see this one in.
 
#3  Also nuked for balance.  This time it is "center weighted".  I also had a problem with center weighted once too (my Day After Memorial Day Shot 2007 with a Veteran's grave marker and Military Service Flag shot).  It took me forever to understand what was wrong with it.  They DO make exceptions to photo demensions, but generally this would get nuked for with that reason.  A good rule of thumb for your shot is the rule of 1/3s.  One a wedgie type of shot like this, if you would make a tic-tac-toe board, you should try to place the nose of the loco at one of the intersections of lines pending the direction the loco is facing/travelling.  Yours is a little off center, but not much.  I like that bare tree. If you shot a burst, and have another shot with the nose contoured in the bend of the tree, I would use that shot.  If not, the tree may have to go, and crop off of the bottom to keep your purportions again.  
 
Also remember that the actual train does not have to be the whole balance of the photo.  A good example is your #2 shot with how you used the ties as props.  If the ties weren't there, the shot would be top heavy.  As long as the compostion works, you can use anything from a switch stand, crossbuck, etc. to a train station or other signifigant building.  RP has their ways, it's their site.  Shoot how you like, but submit what they like.  And yes, RP.net does make you a better photographer at improving your skills.
 
Good luck!!!
 
***Edit***  Just did a search for you on RP.net.  Share your successes, don't hide them from us.  http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=22578


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« Reply #184 on: Aug 23rd, 2008, 5:11pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2008, 3:24pm, EMTRailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)

***Edit***  Just did a search for you on RP.net.  Share your successes, don't hide them from us.  http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=22578

 
Actually, I have that link posted on the previous page of this thread.    Thanks very much for the feedback!  When I get home and have access to the proper editing tools, I'll try what you've recommended.  I think I do have another shot of the train in pic 3 where it's a little further along on the track - I'll look for that.
 
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« Reply #185 on: Aug 23rd, 2008, 8:59pm »

Cool.  Hope to see them on RP.  Don't know how experienced you are in editing, etc., but I didn't mention before that you should start over from your original photos.  If you re-edit the ones that you submitted, it dramatically takes away from your image quality.

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« Reply #186 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 2:32pm »

VAPennsyFan -
I'd appeal #2. Nothing wrong with that shot. The ties are an interesting part of the photo. And a centered subject is permissible in a vertical orientation.
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« Reply #188 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 6:23pm »

on Aug 24th, 2008, 4:12pm, VaPennsyFan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Before I even go to the trouble of submitting it, does anyone think this photo has any possibilities?
 
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They definately won't take it.
  
1.Foreground clutter, 2. Cloudy day, common power.  3. Bad cropping  4. Unlevel horizon  5. Poor composition
 
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« Reply #189 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 8:25pm »

So, this is an edited version of a photo previously rejected for balance.  I cropped it some to balance the image, and now they say the shadows are distracting . . .
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=566342&key=0
 
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« Reply #190 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 8:42pm »

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So, this is an edited version of a photo previously rejected for balance.  I cropped it some to balance the image, and now they say the shadows are distracting . . .
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=566342&key=0
 
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There are shadows on the nose which are distracting. The ties in the foreground are unappealing.  Also, the image looks kind of flat, i.e. not enough saturation .
 
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« Reply #191 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 8:48pm »

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There are shadows on the nose which are distracting. The ties in the foreground are unappealing.  Also, the image looks kind of flat, i.e. not enough saturation .
 
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This is the previous version, rejected for balance.  There was no mention of the shadows then, nor of balance this time.  Also, out of curiosity, why should ties, which are part of railroading, be unappealing in a railroad picture?
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565297&key=645648374  
 
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« Reply #192 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 9:06pm »

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This is the previous version, rejected for balance.  There was no mention of the shadows then, nor of balance this time.  Also, out of curiosity, why should ties, which are part of railroading, be unappealing in a railroad picture?
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=565297&key=645648374  
 
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Jon
 
There're ties. Big deal!!! There's nothing special about them.  
 
It's not a bad photo, just dosen't meet RP.net standards.  
 
 
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« Reply #193 on: Aug 24th, 2008, 9:14pm »

I got another one in!!! Initially this was rejected as a cloudy day shot of "common power", but on appeal I think I convinced them an 0-4-4T isn't so common anymore.  
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=248170
 
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Another reject . . . any help?
 
« Reply #194 on: Aug 25th, 2008, 10:03pm »

Just had this one rejected for bad cropping.  Any suggestions?
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=566898&key=0
 
 
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« Reply #195 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 9:21am »

I agree with RP.Net here.  But before I tell you why, tell us why you think RP.Net thinks the cropping is bad, and show us what you'd do to fix it.  
 
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« Reply #196 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 12:02pm »

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I agree with RP.Net here.  But before I tell you why, tell us why you think RP.Net thinks the cropping is bad, and show us what you'd do to fix it.  
 
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My initial thoughts were that RP.Net didn't like the position of the train in the photo (too centered), and felt the lumber in the foreground was distracting and/or took away from the photo.  In an attempt to address that, I edited the photo and resubmitted it in this form, which was also rejected for bad cropping.
 
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« Reply #197 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 12:33pm »

Yes, I was going to recommend taking out the lumber.  Since it was so close to the viewer and so much brighter, it grabbed the viewer's attention and wouldn't let go.  
 
Maybe you could trim the right side more.  But I don't think you'll get in anyway because the whole foreground is in shadow, and there's not much you can do about that.  This is a great shot for a non-juried site like this one!
 
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« Reply #198 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 2:12pm »

I didn't want to trim the right side any more because that would lost the tracks going up the mountain.  I initially wanted the timbers in because I thought it highlighted some of the work going on at the railroad (the new switch installation) as well as the train.  I guess I'll have to start a photo log here.
 
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« Reply #199 on: Aug 27th, 2008, 9:08am »

What about trimming the right side TO the tracks at the top of the hill?  That would get rid of that air compressor/generator or whatever it is too.  You'd have to cut some more off of the top and lose some of those cotton balls though to keep your purportions.

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