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George_Harris
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« on: Jun 26th, 2016, 1:19am »
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This is intended to be a thread for discussion of Elon Musk's tube car/train concept.
 
Of course he seems to see it as the solution to all long distance transportation problems, but there are many that do not see it that way.  I will kick this thing off with two points:
 
First, the Code of Federal Regulations has this to say:
 
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49 CFR PART 239—PASSENGER TRAIN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
 
239.7 Definitions
. . . .
Railroad means:
(1)   Any form of non-highway ground transportation that runs on rails or electromagnetic guideways, including—
(i)    Commuter or other short-haul rail passenger service in a metropolitan or suburban area and commuter railroad service that was operated by the Consolidated Rail Corporation on January 1, 1979, and
(ii)   High speed ground transportation systems that connect metropolitan areas, without regard to whether those systems use new technologies not associated with traditional railroads, but does not include rapid transit operations in an urban area that are not connected to the general railroad system of transportation and
(2)   A person that provides railroad transportation, whether directly or by contracting out operation of the railroad to another person.

 
Second:  Whenever moving people the amenities need to be considered and the basic realities in addition to just being pretty:  
 
It is important to keep in mind that the laws of physics and the spatial requirements and other amenities associated with occupancy by and movement of people apply to the hyperloop just as they would to any other conveyance moving people, whether it be bus, train, plane, maglev or whatever you are hauling the people around in.  That is to say, the limitation on acceleration, braking, and curve speed will be passenger comfort, not constraints inherent in the method of propulsion. Likewise, the cross section of the vehicle will be based on seat width, number of seats per row, aisle width, interior passenger capsule height, exterior of passenger capsule space for mechanical equipment, etc.


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 26th, 2016, 9:46am »
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George - Lodge Members -
 
Right! Let's get something of a thread going with this one. For one thing, Elon Musk deemed to be something of a genius. Fine...
 
Questions arise, however, whether the concept in touch with travel habits of each potential traveler (rider) audience. Here, if it not  
a non stop, SFO - LAX plan, it compels added en route stops. That adds overal timings. And, many here are all aware that a direct  
SFO - LAX with possible long on the road journeys to and from the respective airports served, in using airline option...
 
The now long ago P S A airline started with a wildly successful SFO - LAX service, and at cheap ticket prices. There was a time  
when it had Boeing 747 types on the run. But, what we have today, are service plans between numerous airports in the SFO and  
LAX areas, and more frequent schedules at significant enroute points.
 
To reduce it all to handy anecdotes. 1) Suppose your writer to embark on a journey and relying on S W A, the non stop BWI - OAK.  
That part works. The other issues are getting to and from the airports. Likely wise to allow three hours from my origin to BWI. And,  
allow four hours OAK to Sonoma, CA. 2) In another example, a journey between BWI and BUF (NY), In this example possibly two  
hours at BUF. In this instance, more convenient to simply drive the 350 mile distance in one's own vehicle. Door to door times count  
in all this...
 
..............................Vern................


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« Reply #2 on: Jun 30th, 2016, 9:13pm »
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Indeed door to door times do count. Recently went to North Dallas area for the funeral of a friend. From Nacogdoches, about three hours. 45 minutes of it was on LBJ Freeway and feeder road. Took about an hour and a half from church in Plano to sister's house in Arlington. Traffic. Ugh.  If I lived up there, I'd have done what Dick did and used DART for home to work while he was still working.

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