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L. F. Lincoln
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Re: PRR Pullman "interline" through service
 
« Reply #40 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 10:13pm »
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A UP sleeper brings up the rear of this westbound NYC train near Vermilion, Ohio ( 1958 ).....
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 10:17pm »
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UP sleeper "AMERICAN RIVER" at Chicago, 1966, sandwiched between cars sporting IC and NP colors......
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #42 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 10:23pm »
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UP's "AMERICAN PROGRESS", also seen at Chicago in 1966.........
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #43 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 10:26pm »
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UP sleepers on early 70's AMTRAK train at Metropark, New Jersey......
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 11:29pm »
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NYC "Flexivans" are being handled on this UP train at Chapman, NE, back in 1965.......
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #45 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 11:45pm »
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An unusual (excursion) consist including ex-PRR heavyweight Pullman "CLOVER COLONY" at Binghamton, NY (circa 1970's).......
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #46 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 11:50pm »
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SCL Train #75 at Florence, SC, 1969......
 
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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #47 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 12:04am »
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Here is the same early 70's AMTRAK train at Metropark, NJ, seen in Reply #43 (ex-NP sleeper here this time; note "CB&Q" markings).......
 
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« Reply #48 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 1:21pm »
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on Mar 8th, 2016, 1:43pm, L. F. Lincoln wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Clyde:
 
Somewhere, I have an old issue of "CLASSIC TRAINS" that featured an OUTSTANDING article on the old "Scout Specials" to Valley Forge; many roads were involved (both in motive power and rolling stock)
 
For Yours Truly, seeing CNJ power switching MP stock was indeed a sight to see!
 
"L.F.L."

 
The train we rode originated "somewhere" east of Dallas, as it was already partially loaded, with some empty cars that we were assigned to (actually - two or three, at least, sections were there loading), and additional stops to pick up more Scouts as we proceeded West. I THINK it came in on MoPac/T&P, but might have been on Cotton Belt or even KATY/Rock Island. Out on T&P to Fort Worth, stop at the beautiful 1930s T&P station, then on west on FW&D/S&S the rest of the way.


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L. F. Lincoln
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on Mar 9th, 2016, 1:21pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
The train we rode originated "somewhere" east of Dallas, as it was already partially loaded, with some empty cars that we were assigned to (actually - two or three, at least, sections were there loading), and additional stops to pick up more Scouts as we proceeded West. I THINK it came in on MoPac/T&P, but might have been on Cotton Belt or even KATY/Rock Island. Out on T&P to Fort Worth, stop at the beautiful 1930s T&P station, then on west on FW&D/S&S the rest of the way.

 
Clyde:
 
Just located that back issue of "CLASSIC TRAINS" from Summer, 2007.
 
The article is "DESTINATION: VALLEY FORGE" and provides a wealth of rare photos and detailed information on the trains, equipment, and railroads involved.
 
The RDG operated a large number of trains to the 1957 Jamboree; seventy of the long-distance Scout specials were routed through various gateways on to the Reading system.
 
Most trains off the B&O came through Park Junction in Philadelphia, while a few others from the west connected at Shippensburg, PA.
 
The B&O ran 35 Scout trains in conjunction with the RDG. Numerous offline sleepers from several roads were part of this massive and complex operation.
 
For the 1950 Jamboree, for instance, the PRR utilized hundreds of pieces of equipment, including 75 sleepers.
 
This article is 11 pages long, and crammed full of detailed historical data, schedules, photos, etc.
 
One of my favorite photos shows a CNJ Trainmaster hauling an all MP consist at Perkiomen Jct. in 1957.
 
It is well worth it to obtain this issue to add to your rail library; the article also, sadly, tells us of how many lines and related infrastructure no longer exist today....
 
"L.F.L."


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« Reply #50 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 10:45pm »
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on Mar 9th, 2016, 1:48pm, L. F. Lincoln wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Clyde:
 
Just located that back issue of "CLASSIC TRAINS" from Summer, 2007.
 
The article is "DESTINATION: VALLEY FORGE" and provides a wealth of rare photos and detailed information on the trains, equipment, and railroads involved.
 
The RDG operated a large number of trains to the 1957 Jamboree; seventy of the long-distance Scout specials were routed through various gateways on to the Reading system.
 
Most trains off the B&O came through Park Junction in Philadelphia, while a few others from the west connected at Shippensburg, PA.
 
The B&O ran 35 Scout trains in conjunction with the RDG. Numerous offline sleepers from several roads were part of this massive and complex operation.
 
For the 1950 Jamboree, for instance, the PRR utilized hundreds of pieces of equipment, including 75 sleepers.
 
This article is 11 pages long, and crammed full of detailed historical data, schedules, photos, etc.
 
One of my favorite photos shows a CNJ Trainmaster hauling an all MP consist at Perkiomen Jct. in 1957.
 
It is well worth it to obtain this issue to add to your rail library; the article also, sadly, tells us of how many lines and related infrastructure no longer exist today....
 
"L.F.L."

Yes, definitely need a copy of that. Be interesting if somebody could put a similar article together for the 1960 Jamboree.


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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #51 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 10:53pm »
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Clyde:
 
I think you meant the 1950 Jamboree here; the PRR was indeed a BIG player with this Scout "outing"!
 
According to the article, the PRR utilized:
 
150 locomotives
 
350 coaches
 
100 baggage cars
 
75 dining cars
 
75 sleepers
 
That the PRR was able to spare such a vast amount of equipment indeed speaks volumes as to just how large the Pennsy's passenger roster was at that time!
 
In fact, the PRR hired a a fleet of trucks to haul baggage from Norristown to Valley Forge, and made arrangements to move 1,700 Scouts in special cars attached to regular passenger trains that stopped at Paoli..
 
Yes, indeed...this HAD to be something to SEE, from a railfan's perspective......
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. Lincoln
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« Reply #52 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 11:03pm »
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Sidenote on the 1950 Jamboree:
 
Also, during the Jamboree, the PRR ran diesel-powered shuttles between Betzwood and Broad St. Station, Philadelphia, to carry some 5,000 Scouts into the city to visit historic sites.
 
However, the RDG topped the PRR in 1950 by transporting some 34,000 Scouts before, during, and after the event on outbound, inbound, and sightseeing shuttle trains.
 
A mixture of RDG and CNJ Pacifics powered these trains.
 
The RDG operated 110 specials, assigning:
 
50 locomotives
 
450 coaches, diners, sleepers, and baggage cars.
 
The B&O, meanwhile, ran 35 Scout specials (in conjunction with the RDG)
 
The B&O provided more than 40 baggage cars to handle the 75 Scout groups traveling the B&O/RDG routes: B&O specials from the west entered the WM at Cherry Run, W. Virginia, proceeding through Hagerstown and onto the RDG at Lurgan, PA......
 
"L.F.L."
 
 


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on Mar 9th, 2016, 10:53pm, L. F. Lincoln wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clyde:
 
I think you meant the 1950 Jamboree here; the PRR was indeed a BIG player with this Scout "outing"!
 
According to the article, the PRR utilized:
 
150 locomotives
 
350 coaches
 
100 baggage cars
 
75 dining cars
 
75 sleepers
 
That the PRR was able to spare such a vast amount of equipment indeed speaks volumes as to just how large the Pennsy's passenger roster was at that time!
 
In fact, the PRR hired a a fleet of trucks to haul baggage from Norristown to Valley Forge, and made arrangements to move 1,700 Scouts in special cars attached to regular passenger trains that stopped at Paoli..
 
Yes, indeed...this HAD to be something to SEE, from a railfan's perspective......
 
"L.F.L."

No, I did indeed mean something like the report cited, except on the 1960 "Jubilee" Jamboree at Colorado Springs, Colorado.


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Clyde:
 
Also of interest, according to the article, was that 1957 was to be the last "Hurrah!" of railroad's moving Scouts to special events.
 
By the time of the last Jamboree in 1964, very few Scouts arrived by rail.
 
No special trains ran to Valley Forge or Norristown, nor were there any sightseeing shuttles into Philadelphia.
 
Local factors also played a role, in addition to increased usage of autos and buses; the B&O ended passenger service through Philadelphia in 1958, when all varnish to New York (Jersey City, via the CNJ) was abolished.
 
The PRR had single-tracked and de-electrified its Schuylkill Valley branch after abandoning its Norristown commuter service in 1960.
 
In 1962, as a result of dwindling REA and US MAIL revenues, the RDG replaced most of its locomotive-hauled trains with RDC cars.
 
Because of these factors, no sightseeing shuttles into Philadelphia ran during the 1964 Jamboree.
 
This was, of course, light-years removed to the massive, multi-road operations utilized during the '57 Jamboree.....
 
"L.F.L."


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Unidentified train at Savanna, Illinois, 1968 (note SP car).......
 
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SP #9205, leased to the B&O.......
 
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SP #9205, leased to the B&O.......

 
Actually leased to Pullman, assigned to the B&O.  Two cars involved SP 9205 and SP 9207, both 10 Roomette - 5 Double Bedroom sleepers, painted 30SEP59, repainted to SP by 1962.
 


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on Mar 9th, 2016, 11:47pm, L. F. Lincoln wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clyde:
 
Also of interest, according to the article, was that 1957 was to be the last "Hurrah!" of railroad's moving Scouts to special events.
 
By the time of the last Jamboree in 1964, very few Scouts arrived by rail.
 
No special trains ran to Valley Forge or Norristown, nor were there any sightseeing shuttles into Philadelphia.
 
Local factors also played a role, in addition to increased usage of autos and buses; the B&O ended passenger service through Philadelphia in 1958, when all varnish to New York (Jersey City, via the CNJ) was abolished.
 
The PRR had single-tracked and de-electrified its Schuylkill Valley branch after abandoning its Norristown commuter service in 1960.
 
In 1962, as a result of dwindling REA and US MAIL revenues, the RDG replaced most of its locomotive-hauled trains with RDC cars.
 
Because of these factors, no sightseeing shuttles into Philadelphia ran during the 1964 Jamboree.
 
This was, of course, light-years removed to the massive, multi-road operations utilized during the '57 Jamboree.....
 
"L.F.L."

 
Would suggest that the 1960 Jubilee to Colorado Springs was the "Last Hurrah" rather than the 1957 gathering at Valley Forge, but while there were plenty of excursions of one sort or another (Pikes Peak, Manitou Springs- Garden of the Gods - and USAF Academy to name a few), none were by rail. That was limited to getting to and from Colorado Springs. It is off for a guy who was very fond of and interested in trains that I don't have any recollection of livery as to assigned roads. Seems like most cars I recall were classic Pullman Green, and I think most were open-section cars (with one room - 14/1s I THINK). Probably some were the two-tone grey scheme. I suppose the trains all arrived from the south via the Joint Line if Burlington or Santa Fe or from Denver if Rock Island, Northern-origin Burlington, UP or D&RGW.  


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on Mar 10th, 2016, 1:50am, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Actually leased to Pullman, assigned to the B&O.  Two cars involved SP 9205 and SP 9207, both 10 Roomette - 5 Double Bedroom sleepers, painted 30SEP59, repainted to SP by 1962.
 

 
 
Jerry:
 
As always, greatly appreciate additional info.....thanks!
 
"L.F.L."


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