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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:34pm »
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Friends:
 
In 1926, an elaborate and grand train carried Princes Of The Church from New York to Chicago.
 
This was for the 28th International Eucharistic Congress (this marked the first time that this grand event took place in the United States)
 
It was reported that the crew of this train was all-Catholic, and the Pullmans used on this train were re-painted and re-named, for this very special journey.
 
Many of the Cardinals were from Europe, and had to make a transatlantic crossing to New York, to board the special train at GCT.
 
This train is easily one of the most obscure passenger runs of all time.
 
"Dominus Vobiscum!"
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #1 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:35pm »
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(Excellent article and photo collection courtesy of ThemeTrains.com)
 
See:
 
http://www.themetrains.com/cardinals-train-main.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #2 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:37pm »
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Photo gallery detailing the consist.........
 
http://www.themetrains.com/cardinals-train-galleries.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #3 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:38pm »
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Timeline for the Cardinal's Train.......
 
http://www.themetrains.com/cardinals-train-timeline.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #4 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:52pm »
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Several scale sets of this beautiful and unique train were also offered throughout the years; the rarest is a IVES Standard Gauge set, that, today, would be a rare and elusive prize if found.....
 
http://www.themetrains.com/cardinals-train-memorabilia.htm


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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #5 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 9:58pm »
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An interesting effort by the NYC. Would the same be done today? Not that it would be possible...

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #6 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 10:15pm »
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on Dec 16th, 2012, 9:58pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
An interesting effort by the NYC. Would the same be done today? Not that it would be possible...

 
 
Clyde:
 
I have often thought the same thing.
 
In today's relentless pursuit of political correctness, I can only image the ruckus raised over the train crew being ONLY Catholic!
 
With traditional PULLMANS long gone, several AMTRAK sleepers would have to be commisioned if such a train were to run today; somehow, I think that the all of the grand ambience and style so evident in the 1926 train would be absent.
 
Still, it IS an interesting thought to ponder..........
 
"H.F.M."


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Charlie Ricker
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #7 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 10:48pm »
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HFM/All:
 
Definitely an obscure movement and I had not heard of this until now. It appears there perhaps not a lot of publicity was given to this historical train? If so, I find that surprising!  
Nice research, Mr. HFM!  
 
Charlie


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #8 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 10:57pm »
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Charlie:
 
You are most welcome, my friend!
 
To be honest, it was only a few years ago that I became aware of this grand and obscure train; prior to this, I had never known of it.
 
Surely, though, long-forgotten newsreel footage must exist, somewhere, buried in the depths of some long-sealed vault.
 
Sure wish I had even one of those great train sets!
 
"H.F.M."


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jmlaboda
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #9 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 11:03pm »
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As it was back then it still could be today although some of the players would be different.
 
Plenty of very useful, valuable cars are available for such a movement if it were to be entertained just as there are privately owned cars that see use for many different events.  If anything it would be easier today to put such a large project together, given the technology that exists.  Whether or not any church organization would choose to avail themselves of such a conveyance is the real question but whether or not it could be done again the answer is a definitive "Yes."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #10 on: Dec 16th, 2012, 11:17pm »
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Jerry:
 
I am sure that, if such a unique consist were to ever run again, rest assured it would be getting a tremendous amount of media coverage, and, of course, there would be much available on Youtube!
 
Certainly, the world is a far different place than it was in 1926, but, it still would be fascinating to see such a train operate today.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #11 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 12:27am »
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Gentleman:
 
Slightly off-topic, but still related to rails of the Catholic Hierachy; there's a fascinating history, here, unknown to most rail enthusiasts......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.sinfin.net/railways/world/vatican/vaticanrail.html (Courtesy of the Holy See Press Office; this is a fine work, with much historical data and photos)
 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/813322@N21/ (photos by Chinski)
 
http://www.mavnosztalgia.hu/en/menu/241/esemeny/493 (Ergo System, a European site)


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #12 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 12:44am »
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Roster of equipment for the 1926 CARDINAL'S TRAIN (ThemeTrains.com)
 
Note that NYC T-2a #1162 hauled the special from GCT to Harmon, where the electric was swapped for steam.
 
The first engine pulled the train from Harmon to Buffalo; at Buffalo, the first engine was switched off, and a second coupled on, for the remainder of the trip into Chicago.......
 
http://www.themetrains.com/cardinals-train-roster.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #13 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 1:01am »
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All:
 
Just decided to do a little more research, and was most fortunate to come across this page, with two vintage photos.
 
As you will see and read, the International Eurcharistic Congress of 1926 was a massive, complex undertaking for the railroads in the Chicago area (including the North Shore Line and Chicago Rapid Transit).
 
A temporary six-track terminal was constructed at the new St. Mary Of The Lake Seminary at Mundelein, capable of accomodating 52 rail cars.
 
Hospital trains were also on hand for this grand event, indeed, this had to be one unforgettable spectacle, for both the faithful and the rail enthusiast........
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.mundelein.org/centennial/eucharistic.html
 
(article by Dottie Watson, Fort Hill Country Newsletter)
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
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From the Chicago Daily News (1926)/Newberry Library)...........
 
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/11319.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #15 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 4:32pm »
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Rare photo of a CNS&M train, specially decorated to transport dignitaries from Chicago to the 1926 International Eurcharistic Congress.....
 
http://www.themetrains.com/images/cardinals/cardinals-train-09-chicago-north-shore-and-milwaukee-600x.jpg
 
(photo courtesy Arthur Dublin Collection/Lake Forest College Library)


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Charlie Ricker
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
« Reply #16 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 7:39pm »
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Nice find!!
 
Charlie


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
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on Dec 17th, 2012, 7:39pm, charlie6017 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice find!!
 
Charlie

 
 
Charlie:
 
I'm inclined to agree with you, here..........
 
"H.F.M."


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Re: The 1926 Cardinal's Train
 
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on Dec 16th, 2012, 11:03pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
As it was back then it still could be today although some of the players would be different.
 
Plenty of very useful, valuable cars are available for such a movement if it were to be entertained just as there are privately owned cars that see use for many different events.  If anything it would be easier today to put such a large project together, given the technology that exists.  Whether or not any church organization would choose to avail themselves of such a conveyance is the real question but whether or not it could be done again the answer is a definitive "Yes."

 
I suppose i must accept the possibility exists - but it seems unlikely to me. If nothing else, I would think it would take months of preparation just to assemble the rolling stock (surely mostly private cars would be required, given how tight AMTRAK's equipment roster is), and the custom paint jobs would be - at least costly. Whereas this was essentially routine except for adjusting crew rosters and doing the painting. Pullman had plenty of cars and was used to putting special movements together, and  the railroads equally used to handling them. Neither of which are true now.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 17th, 2012, 8:19pm »
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Clyde:
 
You are making some very valid points.
 
Back in 1926, when Pullman travel in its heyday, assembling a train with "extra" cars certainly was a piece of cake for those involved.
 
Also, as you correctly stated, PULLMAN was more than used to special moves, so, such an event as the Cardinal's Train in 1926, would have indeed been a far easier task than it would have been today.
 
Possible today.....yes..it COULD be done.....but with far more long-term planning and and more complex arrangements in securing the needed equipment.....
 
"H.F.M."


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