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"THE COLLOSUS OF BUFFALO" Buffalo Central Tribute
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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:00am »
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Several views of the Terminal from 2010......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-bufut-mla.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-bufut-mlc.jpg
 
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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:03am »
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Interior view from 1980......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-buf-sta-bm.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:07am »
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Another interior view from 1980..........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-buf-sta-am.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:11am »
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"MEETING OF THE CENTURYS".......
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/railphoto.cgi?1950-1970/nittrain.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:15am »
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"HEYDAY".......
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/railphoto.cgi?1950-1970/termair.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #25 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:33am »
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Exerpts from "NEW YORK CENTRAL'S STATIONS AND TERMINALS", by Geoffrey H. Doughty:
 
"........Buffalo Central Terminal's story is perhaps the saddest. Likened to a sleeping giant, it is more like a sleeping beauty, seemingly out of place in its physical surroundings......."
 
"........like so many others built during the same period, Buffalo Central Terminal was built too late, literally on the threshold of a new age. The anicipated expansion of the city was never realized, and the traffic which the railroad expanded to handle never materialized......."
 
Still in all, a pretty busy facility, back in the day........
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #26 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:42am »
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Outstanding collection of pre-1950 Terminal photos, news items, etc.........
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/ps.cgi?pre1950


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #27 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 9:06am »
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on Jun 6th, 2012, 10:07pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Let us all hope it can be brought back. It can be done, even of no as a rail terminal:  
 
See the Interurban building in Dallas, Texas and the T&P Station in Fort Worth.

Clyde - HFM - All -  
 
Recall, I lived in Buffalo area for about three years or so. Also, note the generic "WIKI" item about the City. The population trends, and so on,  
acutely known in the era I was there. The City was not destined to "grow all the way to the skies"...
 
Other forces in play which didn't help at all. 1) The St. Lawrence Seaway opening, which crashed the Grain Traffic at Buffalo. 2) The siren song  
of cheap business costs in the South beginning to be felt. 3) The rapacious State Legislature, so that all of Upstate New York, and its massive  
manufacturing base, as a target of extortionate demands for taxes, taxes, more taxes, so as to feed needs of places otherwise in the State.  
Politicos got their wish. They managed to near completely crash Upstate manufacturing!
 
So. We had this beautiful, well kept, monolith of a Station, Terminal and Office Complex, sited on the East Side, and with "...little work to do...",  
as it were. The NYC would have been only too happy to give it away! Now, yes, this a widespread malady, but Buffalo also noted for short sighted,  
civic insanity as a way of doing things.
 
Recall, University of Buffalo had a large campus on outer Main Street. The State went on its reckless crazes. U of B became "SUNYAB", in State  
System. Then came the "...money burning holes in pockets...". The demands for a huge new added Campus, sited well East of classic site, so as  
to supplement the entire facility. This authorized, money located, and came to pass.
 
The question? Why couldn't the demands for space have been satisfied with use of the NYC CENTRAL TERMINAL complex? The place a huge  
complex of office space! To my mind, at least, this simply one more "Opportunity Lost" on the Niagara Frontier...
 
........................Vern.................


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on Jun 6th, 2012, 9:02pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Undated NYC map at Buffalo, showing Central Terminal area.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/map/buffa.jpg

 
That map would be circa 1965 as it shows the "new" post office replacing NYC's stockyards.
 
Henry


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #29 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 10:19am »
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Vern........
 
Also from the aforementioned Doughty book:
 
".......why these stations became obsolete and why the railroad was in such a hurry to get rid of them is not hard to understand. In order to place their demise in context, however, one has to examine what was occuring to the Great American Passenger Train in the postwar period, and how the New York Central was addressing the problems associated with the decline of rail travel......."
 
"........the two, stations and trains, are connected, of course, and only with this in background can the reader fully appreciate why the use of the stations and terminals ended as they did.........."
 
"........journeys aboard the trains of NYC's Great Steel Fleet were not diminished just because they all didn't originate in New York City, however. The traveler knew what was at one end of the system, and there were plenty of examples along the main line to remind one that this was a great railroad, where each major city was deserving of its own palace......a palace owned by the railroad......."
 
Hmmmmm.....just like AMTRAK!<G>
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #30 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 10:27am »
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on Jun 7th, 2012, 10:11am, Henry wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
That map would be circa 1965 as it shows the "new" post office replacing NYC's stockyards.
 
Henry

 
Thanks, Henry!
 
Appreciate the "pin down" date!
 
"H.F.M."


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Here's a composite Sanborn fire insurance map from 1939 showing the immediate terminal area.
 
Henry
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #32 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 11:06am »
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Henry......
 
Just looking at that map makes me want to track down the nearest Wayback Machine and speed back to 1939!
 
The stunnning photos in the Geoffrey H. Doughty book I've mentioned previously clearly depicts a station that was not only "big time" in construction, but also, "big time" in operation.
 
With its ganglia of support facilities, including an 11-track coach yard, this magnificent complex seemed to shout to all the world:
 
"THIS IS THE WAY TO TRAVEL!"
 
In 1956, it was one of more than 400 stations offered for sale by the Central.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #33 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 11:11am »
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1927 aerial view of Central Station under construction.......
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/railphoto.cgi?pre1950/ctaerial1927.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #34 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 11:26am »
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This timeless image speaks for itself......
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/railphoto.cgi?pre1950/centucolo.jpg


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« Reply #35 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 11:54am »
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Back on August 1, 1998 the Terminal was illuminated for the Iron Island Festival. The Iron Island neighborhood got its name from being surrounded by railroad tracks. As it was the first time the Terminal had been illuminated in many years (decades?) I had to go out and shoot some photos of it. Here are some of the shots from that night.
 

The lights were turned on just before darkness fell around 9:00 pm
 

Shortly after 9:00 pm darkness has fallen
 

This is the east end of Conrail's "Stock Yard" intermodal facility at 10:00 pm
 

At around 10:15 pm a Conrail coal train passes the illuminated Terminal on the former NYC 4 track main line
 

A westbound Conrail freight thunders past at 12:30 am. The lights went out 30 seconds after I took this shot from the Bailey Ave bridge.
 
Oh how I wish I had my current Canon 7D digi back then, the photos would have been fantastic! These were shot on print film and there just wasn't any way to keep the lit portions from blowing out without totally losing most everything else. Still, it was wonderful to see the Terminal celebrated in this small way, 19 years after abandonment.
 
Henry


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« Reply #36 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:36pm »
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A few days before the Iron Island Festival on July 27, 1998, a couple of friends and I headed down to Conrail's Stock Yard to check out Conrail's office train on the "President's Track," which was 30 minutes late in arriving. Conrail's Stock Yard was the last vestiges of NYC's massive East Buffalo Stockyards complex across the main from Central Terminal, which was torn out for the "new" post office complex in the 1960s. Area residents were only too happy to be rid of East Buffalo's stinkiest place. Buffalo had a huge meat packing industry that was fed by the adjacent NYC and Erie stockyards. At one time, Buffalo had the largest meat packing plant in the world.
 

Conrail ex-PRR E8 4020 on the President's Track at 9:30 pm with Central Terminal and a passing Conrail freight train in the background
 

Conrail E8 4022, ex-Erie 833, sandwiched between 4020 and 4021 with Central Terminal's tower rising behind them. All three E8's were preserves with Bennett Levin of the Juniata Terminal restoring the 4020 and 4021 to PRR livery and Jimmy Wilson of the NY&GL restoring the 833 to full Erie passenger green on green glory.
 
Here is the night video I shot of the arriving OCS 301. Central Terminal and a westbound Amtrak are visible at the tail end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Y-NrDelIk
 
 

The next morning I headed down to the Stock Yard to watch OCS 301 depart west. It's 5:40 am and it was really a lot darker than it looks here, as evidenced by the blown out numberboard.
 

This is a vidcap of OCS 301 approaching the Lake Ave grade crossing at track speed in Blasdell, NY at 6:10 am.
 
Here is a 160K WAV file of that runby, classic passenger action in 1998!: http://www.railfan.net/railpix/railfan/ocs301.wav
 
Here is the video I shot of that runby on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkO84f2bEs
 
Henry


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #37 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:40pm »
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Henry......
 
Those haunting images are indeed "Ghosts on Parade"; these fine photos are at once haunting and compelling, dramatic and eloquent.
 
Your photos also remind us of all of the granduer and drama of such facilities that far too many of us took for granted.
 
OUTSTANDING presentation, you may be sure!
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #38 on: Jun 7th, 2012, 12:46pm »
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Vintage postcard view of the Main Concourse, shortly after Opening Day.
 
Quite easy, indeed, for a humble mortal to experience a hushed aura of deep spirituality within such spacious, grandoise, vaulted caverns.....
 
http://central.terminal.railfan.net/pics/railphoto.cgi?pre1950/concourse.jpg


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The previous week on July 22 and 23 Buffalo also hosted Conrail office train OCS 203. Of course I had to check that out too. As usual it occupied the President's Track at the Stock Yard for its overnight stay. Unfortunately I only have vidcap stills of those, but I posted a video of it departing in the morning to YouTube. Here's the caption:
 
Conrail OCS-203 throttles up and thunders eastbound past Buffalo Central Terminal at 7:05 AM on July 23, 1998. Leading is ex-EL E8 833 as CR 4022 and trailing is ex-PRR/PC E8 4021. The video was shot from the south embankment of the Erie's Niagara Falls Branch overpass, long gone by then. Four days later it returned as OCS-102 on Monday and left again as OCS-301 on Tuesday. I have video of those trains as well.
 
A few vidcaps:
 

CR E8 4022, ex-Erie 833 preparing to depart east as Central Terminal looms in the background
 

4021 and 4022 in front of Central Terminal departing the Stock Yard at the proscribed 7:00 am on the button.
 

Full dome office car in front of CT
 

Coach with CT in the background
 

Ex-Erie E8 4022 on the point, storming up to the site of the former Erie overpass with CT in the background
 
And finally the video of the runby, shot from the Erie embankment, those E's are working hard and sound great!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6HMEVRtZA8
 
Henry


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