Railfan.net Home Railfan Photos ABPR Archives Staff Safari Photos Railfan Links

Railfan.net Forums Railfan.net Forums Railfan.net Forums
Welcome, Guest. Please Sign In or Register. Aug 22nd, 2017, 10:10pm
Categories •  FastIndex •  LongIndex •  Help •  Search •  Members  •  Sign In •  Register


"HEAD END/DEAD END"
   Railfan.net Web Forums
   Varnish
   Passenger Trains
(Moderator: coaster)
   "HEAD END/DEAD END"
« Previous topic | Next topic »
Pages: 1 ... 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42  ReplyReply     EMail TopicEMail Topic   PrintPrint
   Author  Topic: "HEAD END/DEAD END"  (Read 5805 times)
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #740 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:17am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

E-L sleeper "TIOUGHNIOGA" (ex-DL&W) at Fort Hood, Texas (1967), in a troop train consist (UP unit on left).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/tioug.jpg


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #741 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:28am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Augusta, GA, 1967 (ACL).
 
Even though late in the game, head-end traffic was still substantial enough to keep many trains running.......in the blink of an eye, however, the US Goverment (thank yew!) removed most mail from the rails, and the great REA empire was about to collapse, leaving far too many trains with virtually nothing to carry.
 
A timeless moment, indeed......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl541dsa.jpg


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #742 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:36am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Undated (1960's) ACL view at Selma......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl548awc.jpg


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #743 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:46am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

ACL RPO at Hamlet, NC, 1969.
 
Only two years before AMTRAK, and the old school was still very much in session......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl-br0731dca.jpg


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:47am by NH_FL9_2017 » Logged
HwyHaulier
Historian
Posts: 3438
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #744 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:35am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:46am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
ACL RPO at Hamlet, NC, 1969.
 
Only two years before AMTRAK, and the old school was still very much in session......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl-br0731dca.jpg

HFM -
 
The "EAST - SOUTH" lanes remained quite strong, on SCL (both former ACL and SAL schedules). More easily explained:  
A number of "marquee" trains on the thru Florida runs. And, numerous "secondary" players, with consists of this, that and  
the other thing, perhaps a couple of so coaches, and same with sleepers.
 
The pre-AMTK schedules are marvelous works. Can't recall end date, but there was a thru NEW YORK - WILMINGTON,  
NC Coach or two, (maybe a sleeper, too) until quite late. See the ACL Maps for this one.
 
As I see it (or IMHO, as the case may be) here the flaw in the "stroke of a pen" diversion of First Class Mail to air movement.  
At first (pardon the pun), it served to assure prompt deliveries only between about a dozen, major "hub" cities. So, the "half  
baked" thinking was little more than pandering to large cities on both Coasts. Yes, it did give assured, second morning delivery  
between Palo Alto, CA and Washington. Palo Alto to Billings, MT or Fargo, ND was another matter.
 
.......................Vern.................


Logged

Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
HwyHaulier
Historian
Posts: 3438
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #745 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 12:10pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

HFM -
 
EAGLE LIGHT is the way of madness. Checked source documents. EAGLE prefix Cars on MOPAC (of course) and P R R.  
Yet, no entry for EAGLE LIGHT!
 
I am fairly sure it is not a fad beer! But, which line actually operated it? The notable work, The Pullman Project amid a  
move of support services. So, one can't research a particular name.
 
Here, though, check "600 Series Renumbering" compend. States it started as T & P 12... http://www.mopac.org/ros.pass.hist.asp
 
............................Vern......................
 


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 2:18pm by HwyHaulier » Logged

Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
George_Harris
Historian
Posts: 3819
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #746 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:14pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:35am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -As I see it (or IMHO, as the case may be) here the flaw in the "stroke of a pen" diversion of First Class Mail to air movement.  
At first (pardon the pun), it served to assure prompt deliveries only between about a dozen, major "hub" cities. So, the "half  
baked" thinking was little more than pandering to large cities on both Coasts. Yes, it did give assured, second morning delivery  
between Palo Alto, CA and Washington. Palo Alto to Billings, MT or Fargo, ND was another matter.
 
.......................Vern.................

Yes, I remember.  When in East Tennessee in the mid-1960's, if I got the letter in the post office in Knoxville by mid afternoon, it would be kicked off the KC-Florida Special as it roared through Olive Branch, Mississippi tne next morning somewhere between 11:30 and 12:00.  Think of it:  Arriving in Memphis Union Station, due at 7:45, hauled two blocks to Central Station, put on the Frisco train due out at 10:40.  One day, 400 miles.  Since my aunt was a postal clerk, it would be in may parents hands that evening despite missing the carrier's departure from the post office.
 
Then there were set ups like the one in the Athens, TN station:  There were two inbox style trays on the counter labeled simply "North" and "South".  Drop a letter in there before 10:00pm, and it would be kicked out the RPO's door the next morning in OB.  FedEx can't manage that speed.


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:17pm by George_Harris » Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #747 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:17pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Gentlemen:
 
Greatly appreciate your time and input!
 
"Mail By Rail", unto itself, is a most fascinating and quite diverse topic......
 
"H.F.M."


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #748 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:23pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Vern/All:
 
While on the subject of MOPAC "Eagles".......
 
http://mopac.org/series_000640-000642.asp


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #749 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 2:02pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

"TALE OF THE EAGLES".......
 
http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/eagle.html


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 2:03pm by NH_FL9_2017 » Logged
HwyHaulier
Historian
Posts: 3438
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #750 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 2:16pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

George -
 
Molto Grazie! and appreciate you are tuned in! Yes, yes! Endless stories of just how good the First Class Mail services,  
between myriad points! In many anecdotes, did it myself. When I dropped a First Class piece on the PRR Mail Car in the  
afternoon (Car lay here during the day), it arrived at address in Cleveland next day!
 
I am not getting any younger, of course. Still remain bitter about how all rail service wrecked with diversion of First Class  
Mail (and all other, for that matter). I hope the monthly Digest of this, that and the other, are happy with the destruction  
it caused with its instigating. All it wanted was chiseling on rates to run their damnable, superficial magazines!
 
.........................Vern..................


Logged

Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
ClydeDET
Historian
View Profile  

Posts: 4793
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #751 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 2:50pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:04am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
All:
 
Just came across these two interesting views, taken at Atlanta (GA) in 1964 (no other info. available for these views)
 
Note sleeper "CHENANGO"; four years after the merger with the ERIE, car is still lettered for the DL&W, and quite far from the ferry slips at Hoboken!.
 
 "EAGLE LIGHT" at left.............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/dlw-chen-lba.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/dlw-chen-lbb.jpg

 
Eagle Light is listed as a T&P 14-4, #677 in the 1963 re-numbering (data from Dorin). The T&P emblem is between the roomette and bedroom windows.


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #752 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 3:36pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Clyde:
 
Thanks!
 
Always good having you aboard.....
 
"H.F.M."


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #753 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 3:45pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

See also......
 
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=25412
 
http://www.austinsteamtrain.org/images/eagle-ext-l.jpg


Logged
HwyHaulier
Historian
Posts: 3438
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #754 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 3:50pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

HFM - Clyde - Et. Aliter -
 
One of the troubles with taking First Class off the rails? OK. Let's move past the bickering over rates.
 
The enormous policy change did not consider what could be done with highway service. It was in 1956 that NAVAJO ran  
Coast to Coast (LAX - PHL) in fifty-six (56) hours with sleeper team! Why, a decade later, these "wise heads" (who all  
went to the right schools) could not appreciate the meaning of "sleeper teams" within CONUS! The setup is a powerful asset!
 
I try to be modest, but... Give me a Power Domicile at Topeka or Ottawa, KS, and I can get my guys to any CONUS point  
within a day! This might be good to know in event Disaster or Emergency Contingency Planning! It can be done even more  
quickly, but the trucks need some engineering help...
 
.........................Vern.....................


Logged

Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #755 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 3:59pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Vern/All:
 
See the following..........
 
http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2c1_railwaymail.html


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #756 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 4:06pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

".......when the Post Office Department cancelled contracts for RPO services on most intercity trains in 1967, it removed the last pillar supporting passenger trains in the country........"
 
"........the Post Office's removal of RPO business from Trains #'s 5 & 6 (THE LAKE CITIES), caused head-end revenue to plummet from $2,365,100, to $1,314,600 in 1968......."*
 
* "ERIE LACKAWANNA: DEATH OF AN AMERICAN RAILROAD", by H. Roger Grant
 
"H.F.M."


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 4:07pm by NH_FL9_2017 » Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #757 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:44pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

Detailed discussion on PENN-CENTRAL's mail train between Buffalo and Harrisburg......
 
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=36641&start=15


Logged
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
Former Member
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #758 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:07pm »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify   Remove

All:
 
Did some quick research, and came across this photo of a PC mail train at Brookpark Yard (Ohio), taken in 1972..............
 
http://pc.railfan.net/pics/lake/clevlake/pc4041gam.jpg


« Last Edit: Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:10pm by NH_FL9_2017 » Logged
HwyHaulier
Historian
Posts: 3438
Re: "HEAD END/DEAD END"
 
« Reply #759 on: Jul 4th, 2012, 7:04am »
Quick-Jump   Reply w/Quote   Modify

on Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:44pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Detailed discussion on PENN-CENTRAL's mail train between Buffalo and Harrisburg......
 
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=36641&start=15

HFM -
 
Good find! It also indicates the declining condition of the track, BUF - HBG, part of the old "Northern Central" line.  
Years back, it handled at least two a day, each way, between Washington and Buffalo.
 
..........................Vern.....................


Logged

Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
Pages: 1 ... 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42  ReplyReply     EMail TopicEMail Topic   PrintPrint

« Previous topic | Next topic »