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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #720 on: Jul 1st, 2012, 1:31pm »
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This rolling rustbucket was once a SCL (ex-ACL) express reefer; here the weather-worn car is seen in MOW service......
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showpicture.aspx?id=933100


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #721 on: Jul 1st, 2012, 1:44pm »
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on Jul 1st, 2012, 1:25pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
BUDD-built SEABOARD baggage/dorm/coach (according to the link caption!)<G>.......
 
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/spottswood/sp02213.jpg

HFM -
 
Yeah! I can go for that! Likely correct...
 
This only serves to an annoying point from a follower? Kindly just "SLOW DOWN, BUCKAROO?
 
There remain stories behind every photo! Every example has some good comment behind it.  
Should one load carloads at a time, it is much too overwhelming! <G>
 
N.B. This cranky old observer has remarks, FWIW, about DL&W, Lake Woebegone, Lake Nevahoppin,  
or what have you. Thread has paced much, much  too fast, and this writer can't understand why to  
comment thereupon? <G> (SIGH! Lake Thereupon? NYC direct? Adirondacks Div.?)
 
.............................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #722 on: Jul 1st, 2012, 1:59pm »
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Vern.......
 
Well, recall there is no law on the books (to my knowledge, anyway!<G>) that says that immediate responses are required for each and every post!
 
The fact that they are up and available ONLY tells you that they ARE there, and will be for ages, until time can be found to respond, comment, etc.
 
So much of the "old days" has been lost to the ages; IMHO, it is most important to make sure those memories and images are given the proper respect they deserve.
 
Hey, you know me, I AIN'T into all this modern, hi-tech, generic, lookalike stuff!<G>
 
God, how I mourn the passing of what I knew, once upon a time......
 
"H.F.M."


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #723 on: Jul 1st, 2012, 9:21pm »
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on Jun 30th, 2012, 11:00pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
An interesting "not your normal head-end car" photo at Clearwater, FL (1970)......<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/scl/scl0570pma.jpg

 
Mr. Malone, I agree with Vern's sharp eyes that the first car behind the SCL E7 is indeed an NP Dome Sleeper-- the two windows nearest the camera are for the Roomettes (two on each side); the remainder of the car is showing the "corridor side" to the camera-- under the Dome were four "Watch Your Head!" Single Bedrooms (with lower berth only); and, at the far end, were four Double Bedrooms (again, you are seeing the corridor windows in this view).  In the late '60s, a couple of the under-Dome bedrooms were replaced by a small Lounge, and the Dome itself had its "theater seating" replaced by tables and booths.
 
These Dome Sleepers were built in 1954 for North Coast Limited service, but beginning in the 1960s, when passenger ridership dwindled in the wintertime on the Chicago-Seattle route, NP recovered a bit of its investment by leasing "surplus" equipment to the PRR for their Florida service trains.  Right up to Amtrak, Domes in the wintertime were advertised on the Florida Special.  The cars were added (or dropped) at Richmond.  The train in this photo is almost certainly southbound-- probably had to find its way through a blizzard or two before reaching the Sunshine State.  I can imagine the passengers raising their windowshades and sighing, "Aahhh, That's better . . ."  
 
The caption says 1970, the photo is copyright 1971, and the (Impala?) says 1968-- what a difference a year or two makes.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #724 on: Jul 1st, 2012, 9:48pm »
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Norm:
 
As always, greatly appreciate your input!
 
As I had stated earlier, I also THOUGHT that this was an NP car, but, as I was NOT 100% sure, I was not going to hazard a guess.......however, I see my hunch was right!
 
Once again, we are reminded of the colorful diversity that was so much commonplace in passenger operations, back in  the day.
 
Such colorful diversity, sadly, is long gone......
 
"H.F.M."


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #725 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 1:42pm »
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Norm - HFM -
 
Checked Joseph M. Welsh book, By Streamliner From New York To Florida. You had recalled the Winter Season equipment leasing practices.  
Seems to me the book does have detail on much of it including the years just prior AMTRAK.  
 
I couldn't recall details about why there had been some N P Cars in the trains. Also, didn't recall Domes restricted to points South of Richmond.
 
........................Vern.....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #726 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 3:38pm »
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Vern/All:
 
You might be interested in the following......
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/palmateer/4860000447/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #727 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 3:48pm »
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A number of wonderful vintage photos on this page; last photo shows lengthy consist with AMTK/UP/BURLINGTON/GN/NP equipment.
 
Still-substantial head-end traffic as well.......
 
http://www.trainweb.org/theattic/North.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #728 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:30pm »
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All:
 
".........ACL leased NORTHERN PACIFIC 4-double bedroom-4 duplex singleroom-4 roomette dome sleepers during the winter 1959-60 season. The cars did come back for the winter of 1964-65 season.........."*
 
* "ATLANTIC COAST LINE PASSENGER SERVICE: THE POSTWAR YEARS", by Larry Goolsbury


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #729 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:34pm »
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NP dome #313 in IC paint.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic-dome.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #730 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:40pm »
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Circa-1960's view of a particularly shiny ACL express car.......
 
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?august05/08-05-05/ACL_REA_3006.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #731 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:44pm »
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Augusta, GA, 1966.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl0502dsa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #732 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:48pm »
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Alexandria, VA, 1967...........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl0506cpa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #733 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:53pm »
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Head-end traffic on the ACL was still pretty heavy in 1967 (Alexandria).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl0515cpa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #734 on: Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:58pm »
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Augusta, GA, 1964.......the world as it should have remained......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl0523dsa.jpg


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #735 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 12:22am »
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on Jul 2nd, 2012, 10:34pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NP dome #313 in IC paint.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic-dome.jpg

 
Mr. Malone, the story behind these chocolate-and--orange Dome Sleepers is an interesting one.
 
These cars were also considered "surplus" in the wintertime, but while the cars leased out to the PRR retained their two-tone green, Illinois Central painted them in IC colors each fall, then repainted them back into NP livery before returning them each spring.  IC ran them on its Chicago-Florida City of Miami.  Based on information on the DOMEmain website (which has also reproduced this beautiful George Elwood photo), Dome Sleeper No. 313 was leased to IC in 1965, and again in 1967.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain
 
I recall seeing several heartbreaking photos of these (and similar) Domes in IC service in later years-- it seems that hoodlums had taken a fancy to dropping heavy objects off overpasses onto the Domes passing by below, so IC found it necessary to lay steel plating over the end windows and topmost side windows of each Dome.  How this interfered with visibility is easy enough to imagine.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #736 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 12:53am »
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Norm:
 
As always, greatly appreciate your input!
 
Your comments made me recall a photo on one of my old magazines, showing an ex-DL&W/E-L lightweight sleeper in IC colors, and still wearing DL&W reporting marks, several years after the ERIE/DL&W merger.
 
As through service on the E-L was cut, a number of the sleepers were leased out for extended periods.
 
Not too get too far off the subject here, as head-end traffic was lost on road after road, many of the head-end/express cars, were converted into MOW equipment.
 
So many photos dating from the late 60's, just a few years prior to the formation of AMTRAK, depict still-substantial head-end business on any of a number of trains still running at that time.
 
How quickly it all evaporated into history........
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #737 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 1:04am »
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All:
 
Just came across these two interesting views, taken at Atlanta (GA) in 1964 (no other info. available for these views)
 
Note sleeper "CHENANGO"; four years after the merger with the ERIE, car is still lettered for the DL&W, and quite far from the ferry slips at Hoboken!.
 
 "EAGLE LIGHT" at left.............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/dlw-chen-lba.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/dlw-chen-lbb.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #738 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 7:40am »
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HFM -  
 
Ah, I know that D L & W Car, four years past merger, bothers you. I'll guess it didn't concern E - L all that much, and they had a plan to, "get a round tuit"?
 
EAGLE LIGHT a bit amusing. A MOPAC running incognito?
 
.........................Vern..........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #739 on: Jul 3rd, 2012, 9:01am »
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on Jul 3rd, 2012, 7:40am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
Ah, I know that D L & W Car, four years past merger, bothers you. I'll guess it didn't concern E - L all that much, and they had a plan to, "get a round tuit"?
 
EAGLE LIGHT a bit amusing. A MOPAC running incognito?
 
.........................Vern..........................

 
Vern.......
 
The sleeper still lettered for the DL&W was really of no consequence to your humble writer (although, the E-L was pretty strong on re-lettering the through line equipment as soon as possible after the merger, the opposite of most commuter stock!)
 
Oh, and I see you noticed the "EAGLE LIGHT", too?<G>
 
Would have been good to have had more information here......
 
"H.F.M."


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