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« Reply #60 on: May 13th, 2012, 8:45pm »
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....at Plainfield NJ, late 1950s

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #61 on: May 13th, 2012, 8:50pm »
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(NYC) West Dearborn, 1963........
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc4025ags.jpg


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« Reply #62 on: May 13th, 2012, 8:55pm »
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Tom:
 
Thanks for sharing this nostalgic vignette of the CNJ as we knew her.........great old memories!
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #63 on: May 13th, 2012, 9:04pm »
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Beacon, NY, 1963 (NYC).........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc4028jsa.jpg


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« Reply #64 on: May 13th, 2012, 9:27pm »
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"THE LONG GRAY LINE" (Geneva, Ohio, 1965).......
 
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« Reply #65 on: May 13th, 2012, 9:38pm »
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When head-end traffic evaporated in the later 1960's, "little" trains like this quickly became financial drains, and could not survive (Geneva, Ohio, 1965)
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc4038ads.jpg


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« Reply #66 on: May 13th, 2012, 10:05pm »
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''5TH AVENUE LTD.'', Geneva, 1965.
 
Man, oh, man.......head-end business sure looks brisk today!<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc4063.jpg


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« Reply #67 on: May 13th, 2012, 10:23pm »
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KCS express car, ex-troop sleeper...........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/kcs/kcs-er1010am.jpg


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« Reply #68 on: May 13th, 2012, 10:37pm »
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Binghamton, NY (E-L), 1961.
 
For the first half of the 1960's, head-end traffic on the E-L was still quite heavy, as can clearly be seen here.....
 
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« Reply #69 on: May 14th, 2012, 12:12am »
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Binghamton, NY, 1963.
 
Another E-L train carrying a number of head-end cars.
 
Once the head-end business was lost, the revenue needed to keep passenger traffic intact evaporated......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el820at.jpg


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« Reply #70 on: May 14th, 2012, 12:20am »
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Hammond, Indiana, 1964......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el824bjh.jpg


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« Reply #71 on: May 14th, 2012, 7:51am »
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on May 14th, 2012, 12:20am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hammond, Indiana, 1964......
 
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HFM -  
 
Minor "spotting note"? First car apparently from MILW ROAD, an example of cars built at its own Shops...
 
Else, your fine presentation documents why present ways of doing passenger services can't work very well...
 
.........................Vern....................


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« Reply #72 on: May 14th, 2012, 9:50am »
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on May 14th, 2012, 7:51am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
Minor "spotting note"? First car apparently from MILW ROAD, an example of cars built at its own Shops...
 
Else, your fine presentation documents why present ways of doing passenger services can't work very well...
 
.........................Vern....................

 
Vern.......
 
Appreciate info on that first car......I had the feeling it was someone's "house special"!<G>
 
Recall AMTRAK operating express cars years back; from what we observe today, this"revival" of "head-end" service simply did not work.
 
IMHO, common sense should have dictated to the "Powers That Be" that:
 
 "....if it ain't broke, don't fix it...."
 
My personal memories bring back the days when the E-L, through the mid-60's, still operated a number of through trains, running out of Hoboken to such diverse points as Scranton, Buffalo, Binghamton, and Chicago.
 
Mail and express traffic "made the bucks" on these runs.
 
Later in the decade, however, when the mail contracts were lost, and REA went under, what was left of E-L's through services was poised for final  extinction, which came to be in 1970.
 
Well enough should have been left alone.......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #73 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:00am »
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Elmira, NY (E-L), 1966.......
 
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« Reply #74 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:02am »
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Olean, NY, 1966......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el825.jpg


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« Reply #75 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:07am »
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on May 14th, 2012, 9:50am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
...Recall AMTRAK operating express cars years back; from what we observe today, this"revival" of "head-end" service simply did not work...    

HFM -  
 
With this, one needs benefit of the TRAINS (CD/DVD) discs of every word it ever published. The steady columns of thinking of  
Ed Ellis apply here. It was up to him to make it all work. As it turned out, structural problems made it near impossible and futile.
 
Notes on an old MILW car? Oh, that's some "trolling" (?). Much like duck hunters do, it a "bird call" to attract a regular faithful  
based in the Dakotas! <G> (If reading this, you know who you are!)
 
......................Vern.................


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on May 14th, 2012, 10:02am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Olean, NY, 1966......
 
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HFM -  
 
THANKS! Old memories! I saw that scene, albeit 1964, and near the site shown! The train which passed  
through (and you figure it) a consist of largely "two tone green" of former ERIE. Doubtless head end power  
in the DLW colors? (Unless it the earlier ERIE ALCO units, in green? Wish I had photos!)
 
"...So it has come to this, my dear Miss Snow, You get to ride to Chicago..." (SIGH!)
 
.......................Vern.....................


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« Reply #77 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:28am »
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"Recall AMTR AK operating express cars years back; from what we observe today, this 'revival' of 'head-end' service simply did not work."
 
Not sure I would agree, especially so since part of the problem was the use of standard freight trucks on some boxcars, which caused problems, as did the Phase I MHCs and their used trucks.  The Phase II cars had better trucks and operated well on all roads until some banned the use of them because of the problems the first cars had.
 
In principle the service, had it been thought out and "properly" executed, might have helped to fund Amtrak, just as it did for the railroads before it.  The real problem was that it was not properly executed.  The added opposition to it by UP didn't help but it was the use of boxcars without proper high-speed trucks that really hurt ExpressTrak's chances (funny how a UP man ended up being head of Amtrak).  I don't recall any problems being reported with the Roadrailer trailers but there might have been some things there as well.
 
After REA and the USPS withdrew most mail contracts (some remained, one well into the 1970s on PC) some roads still hauled express on the lines that it operated, N&W and the SOU come to mine quickly, but there were still losses that were being documented, even if not all of them were properly justified.
 
As far as the mention of the Southern's Royal Palm it did operate south of Atlanta with TTX in tow, at least until it was abandoned, and there were other examples of intermodal shipments behind some Southern trains that, ironically, became dedicated intermodal trains after the passenger service was discontinued.
 
Want a great example of intermodal shipments being added to passenger trains?  Try the GN Western Star which had trailer flats tacked onto the end of its observation cars.
 


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« Reply #78 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:34am »
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Several head-end cars on this GN train, 1965.......
 
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« Reply #79 on: May 14th, 2012, 10:40am »
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Another classic GN scene, this one at St. Paul, 1966.
 
Again, head-end traffic is looking mighty fine, indeed.....
 
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