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ClydeDET
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« Reply #580 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 3:35pm »
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Thinking of REA, my paternal grandfather worked for them at one time, though about all I knew or know is he was employed by them as a young man (he was born in 1887) prior to going to work for Texas Paper Company sometime before WWII (I think maybe during or shortly after WWI). I have the impression he may have spent at least part of the time in train service and left REA to stay home with momma and the kids...

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #581 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 4:45pm »
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on Jun 22nd, 2012, 3:35pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thinking of REA, my paternal grandfather worked for them at one time, though about all I knew or know is he was employed by them as a young man (he was born in 1887) prior to going to work for Texas Paper Company sometime before WWII (I think maybe during or shortly after WWI). I have the impression he may have spent at least part of the time in train service and left REA to stay home with momma and the kids...

 
 
Clyde:
 
Ahh, a "vet" in the family!
 
Bet he had some interesting "rail tails" to tell!
 
He indeed was a part of another era.......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #582 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 7:18pm »
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on Jun 22nd, 2012, 4:45pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Clyde:
 
Ahh, a "vet" in the family!
 
Bet he had some interesting "rail tails" to tell!
 
He indeed was a part of another era.......
 
"H.F.M."

 
It is probable he did, but I was 7 whe he passed away and e nevr told them to me. He did, however, take me down to Dallas Union Station to look at the trains, and would sometimes take me to work with him at Texas Paper Company  (he was the Chief Clerk for the warehouse IIRC - office job, anyhow) and I got to watch the passing trains including the delivery of boxcars tot he warehouse. Saw 600s and 900s on the T&P hauling freight, as well as diesels.


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« Reply #583 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:53pm »
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"REEFERS IN PRR PASSENGER SERVICE, 1954" (etc.).......
 
http://kc.pennsyrr.com/model/reefer.php


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« Reply #584 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:15pm »
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"REA REEFERS & SOUTHERN PACIFIC 'ECONOMY' BAGGAGE CARS"......
 
http://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/long_haul/mail/mail_2.html


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« Reply #585 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:36pm »
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REAX #7018, today preserved at Baltimore....
 
http://www.borail.org/REAX-No7018.aspx


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« Reply #586 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:55pm »
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Also of interest......
 
http://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=26125.0


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« Reply #587 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:10pm »
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on Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:41am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM - All -  
 
Note in account: "...Ryan and Shine's Southern Pacific Passenger Trains of the Coast Route, Volume I states that, starting in 1963,  
the trains became #151/154 south of San Jose (but still #90/91 north of San Jose), and that the Mail's power worked Commute  
#151/154 north of San Jose, with different power for the Oakland leg. This doesn't make a lot of sense for several reasons...
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.........................Vern....................

 
 
Vern,  
 
First of all please accept my thanks for your correction about the trucks in SFRD service.  The trucks in the photo looked a bit "flimsy" to me compared to the journal-box trucks I remember from the '50s and '60s, but maybe it's just fuzzy childhood memory, or else the AAR Standard design became a bit more substantial over time?  At any rate, thanks again for catching the error, and for not letting it stand.  I'm glad there are wiser heads than mine on these Forums.
 
As to Trains 90 and 91, I suspect a simple copyist's error in transcribing the information.  If the quoted sentence is amended to read, " . . . starting in 1963, the trains became #151/154 north of San Jose (but still #90/91 south of San Jose), and that the Mail's power worked Commute #151/154 north of San Jose, with different power for the Oakland leg. . . "  it seems to make much better sense.  In 1963, the northern terminus for #90/91 was moved from San Francisco to San Jose.
 
I clearly remember #90 and #91 serving Los Angeles in the 1960s (#91 was conspicuous to me for its 1:01am departure time from LAUPT-- the last activity of the night.)  My brother even got to ride it as a child, returning from a day-trip with our Dad up to Santa Barbara.  My brother had come down with a fever during the day, and neither of them wanted to wait several more hours for the southbound Coast Daylight, so they hopped aboard #90 for the all-stops ramble back to LA.  The Peninsula Commute connection seems to make even more sense, as I recall that the "Rider Coach" on #90/91 sometimes seemed to be one of the  heavyweight, Harriman-roofed Commuter coaches.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #588 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 1:51am »
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Vern/All:
 
Some impressive stats on the now demolished REA facility at Sunnyside Yards, in Queens:
 
Terminal building was 1/5 mile in length, and 250' in width.
 
The building accomodated six tracks; 75 cars could be unloaded/loaded at the same time.
 
Loading docks provided space for 200 trucks.........
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #589 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 1:54am »
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Also of interest.....
 
http://www.tcaetrain.org/articles/chronicles/rea/index.html
 
http://www.railgiants.org/ice-cooled.htm


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« Reply #590 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 2:03am »
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Detailed page on Frisco's passenger operations in 1957, including details on head-end equipment, switching moves, etc.........
 
http://condrenrails.com/MRP/MemphisCentralStation/Frisco_Operations.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #591 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 2:12am »
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SP express car #5709, in two-tone grey......
 
http://lariverrailroads.com/freight_car/sp5709exp_box.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #592 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 2:17am »
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A particulary handsome GN express car.....
 
http://lariverrailroads.com/passcar/rex2222.jpg


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« Reply #593 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 2:22am »
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Heavyweight MP express car......
 
http://lariverrailroads.com/passcar/mp4231.jpg


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« Reply #594 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 2:27am »
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Preserved SOUTHERN express car.....
 
http://www.carolinamodelrr.org/index.php/nrhs-past-projects/southern-railway-express-car


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« Reply #595 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 9:23am »
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Norm - All -  
 
Thanks! For fact, the SFRD photo bothered me, too. The Car simply too distant from the photographer. Besides that,  
chances are the film stock could not deliver a sharper and more defined image. What saved me on this one comes  
from reading too many old Tariffs and ICC Orders. (My original equipment memory cells jammed with such arcana.)
 
The "Ace card" (or "Joker" as the case may be)? I happened to recall the ICC Order of absolute ban on Arch Bar Trucks  
in interline services, and prior to date of photo. If so, the four choices of Trucks would have been AAR Standard,  
Allied Full Cushion, the four wheel design common in Passenger Coaches, and possibly another less seen type.
 
For the matter that, in the SFRD photo, perhaps a "trick of the eye" it looks of lighter construction than was the case.  
May I offer conjecture the "AAR" Truck may have varied in structure by anticipated design gross weight of Car on which  
used? (Can't say I am all that well versed in details of the assemblies.)
 
The possible questions about ESPEE #90/ 91. Indeed! Appreciate your theory of the remark about power assignments,  
in and out of SJO. Perhaps a simple fault in proof reading, between pen and page? That works. It is hardly the first time  
this sort of error made it into print!
 
...........................Vern...................


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« Reply #596 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 10:25am »
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Detailed page on a seldom-discussed area of "head end" equipment......
 
http://utahrails.net/pass/dynamos-hep.php


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« Reply #597 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 10:44am »
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SOUTHERN heater car.............
 
http://www.srha.net/public/photos/photo_detail.asp?ID=82831


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« Reply #598 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 10:52am »
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NYC heater car XH-8 at Harmon, NY, 1966......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-xh8s.jpg


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« Reply #599 on: Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:20am »
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D&RGW heater cars #'s 250-253......
 
http://www.drgw.net/info/SteamGeneratorCar


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