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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #560 on: Jun 20th, 2012, 6:54pm »
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Two early 1960's views of E-L passenger trains with TOFC's in the consist.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-pax-trn-bt.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-yard5.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #561 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 12:07am »
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All:
 
Just came across this map of AT&SF mixed train routes in Eastern Kansas (1966)......
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tramwayjohn/6117261453


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #562 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 12:25am »
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Also of interest.....
 
http://www.trainweb.org/southwestshorts/sfsr.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #563 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 12:45am »
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Preserved ex-SF combine #2543......
 
http://atsf.railfan.net/atsfpres/atsf2543.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #564 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 12:14pm »
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Excellent article and a number of fine vintage head-end/mixed train photos here.......
 
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/CPR_London/history_branch_psgr.htm


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #565 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 12:36pm »
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on Jun 21st, 2012, 12:07am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
All:
 
Just came across this map of AT&SF mixed train routes in Eastern Kansas (1966)......
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tramwayjohn/6117261453

HFM -  
 
A superb Map reporting the extensive A T S F operations in Kansas! Great find!
 
.......................Vern..........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #566 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 5:38pm »
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Good page on RPO's and railway mail services (several photos on this page as well)
 
Several preserved AT&SF cars are also mentioned at the bottom of the page.....
 
http://www.railswest.com/rpo.html
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #567 on: Jun 21st, 2012, 10:43pm »
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"THE FAST MAIL: A TYPICAL DAY AS TRAIN #8 (AT&SF) SPEEDS EASTWARDS.............
 
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/fall/fast-mail-side.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #568 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:17am »
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Also of interest (mention also made here of reefers carrying newspapers and magazines from East coast publishers).....
 
http://www.atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/SFRD/2.htm
 
http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr34.jpg


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #569 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 7:56am »
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on Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:17am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also of interest (mention also made here of reefers carrying newspapers and magazines from East coast publishers).....
 
http://www.atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/SFRD/2.htm
 
http://users.snowcrest.net/photobob/sfr34.jpg

 
 
Mr. Malone, this is an interesting find, and one I hadn't seen before.  
 
When I saw the photo of the reefers sitting in front of the San Bernardino depot (the photographer must have been leaning out a second-floor window), I thought this might have been some sort of Christmas mail rush-- the white plume from the steamer in the background suggests a wintertime scene here in Southern California.  By the article, then, the mail in the carts must be freshly offloaded, rather than waiting to be put aboard.  (I'm wondering, too-- maybe somebody's eyes are sharper than mine-- do I detect a steam line as well as an air line dangling from the near-end coupler?  If so, the other thought I have is that those arch-bar trucks look a bit flimsy to be put to passenger-train speeds.  Just thinking out loud here . . .)
 
The article also mentions the annual potato harvest in the Bakersfield area.  Each summer, Santa Fe handled what they termed the "Spud Rush," where every available piece of rolling stock was assembled to haul the potatoes east over Tehachapi Pass (Santa Fe, as you know, had trackage rights over SP between Bakersfield and Mojave).  For several years bracketing 1950, they even took the Diesel Helpers off Cajon Pass to send them over to Tehachapi to help with the Spud Rush, so for a few summers Cajon would revert to Steam Helper service, even after Road Service had been completely Dieselized.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #570 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 8:50am »
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NORM - HFM - All -  
 
Agree. Yes, with the SFRD, it does appear to have an air line, and a steam line. Might I submit: We are not seeing an Arch Bar Truck.  
The design had been banned from interstate work, by ICC Order of earlier date. IIRC, what we see in the photo is an AAR Standard Design,  
a cast frame assembly, accepted for Interchange Service...
 
In the Sandifer item about SFRD Cars (link just above). What else to be said about the Westbound "Three For One" Rule? On Refrigerator  
Cars, always the continuing "out of balance" equipment positioning issues.
 
U P R R also "sold to the rule" on Westbounds. It was a nice touch, and transload done at Grand Island, NE. An Eastern "dry" shipper could  
order three of the cars, noting it expected to use the "Three For One" practice. With result, it could load separate cars directly for (example)  
LAX, SJO and SFO. Competitive always being what it has been, loading could also have been LAX, SFO and SEA...
 
...........................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #571 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:12am »
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Vern/Norm/All:
 
The following may also be of interest.......
 
http://www.atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/SFRD/3.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #572 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:20am »
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See also.....
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Santa_Fe_Refrigerator_Despatch


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #573 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:28am »
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Gentlemen:
 
Just came across this excellent page, "MAIL & EXPRESS, PART 1: THE COAST ROUTE".......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/long_haul/mail/mail.html


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #574 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:41am »
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on Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:28am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Gentlemen:
 
Just came across this excellent page, "MAIL & EXPRESS, PART 1: THE COAST ROUTE".......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/long_haul/mail/mail.html

HFM - All -  
 
Note in account: "...Ryan and Shine's Southern Pacific Passenger Trains of the Coast Route, Volume I states that, starting in 1963,  
the trains became #151/154 south of San Jose (but still #90/91 north of San Jose), and that the Mail's power worked Commute  
#151/154 north of San Jose, with different power for the Oakland leg. This doesn't make a lot of sense for several reasons...
"
 
The writer may have gone into Conjecture Land with this. It is easy enough to appreciate. The group of F-M Train Master power were  
San Francisco domicile, and used on SFO - SJO. See the 1964 Notes about the schedules. The EMD F-7 power evidently OAK domicile.
 
In the era, the SFO - SJO - Monterey schedule ran with EMD "GEEP" power. Similar units also, sparingly, on SJO - SFO Commutes.  
(Someone counter with a photo here, if need. IIRC, at no time did I ever spot EMD F-7 power on SFO - SJO Commute work...)
 
.........................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #575 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:54am »
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Vern:
 
And, once again, we come face-to-face with the insidious descision by the Goverment to yank most mails from the rails.
 
That such dire bloodletting occurred afterwards only further drove the point home.......head-end revenues were indeed the most vital source of income for passenger operations.
 
Once it was obolished, is it any wonder that such catastrophe ensued?
 
Indeed, this was the case on the E-L, which purged its entire long-haul operations out of Hoboken by 1970.
 
No way could the long-haul traffic survive with the staggering losses from the departure of both the Mail and REA revenues......
 
"H.F.M."


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #576 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:41pm »
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HFM -
 
On balance, there must have been a whole lot of hate going around. See the item you posted on the new "front end" cars  
which ESPEE bought for the LARK. In it, and among other things, states the US MAIL AIR contracts yanked from Railway  
Express (REA, REX) (IIRC) 1974. (See the item.) The "end game" inevitable, of course...
 
In some other items (and maybe the same news article) a writer appears to have a sketchy understanding of U P S. The  
firm's aggressive expansion into a "national brand" became apparent in the mid 1960s. Then, too, we had the matter of  
upstart, FEDEX. (And, GREYHOUND blowing a spectacular opportunity!)...
 
Now, should one dig a bit, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories, collusive behaviors, and (ummmm) "campaign funds"  
to the right folks. It is why the late Drew Pearson referred to all of it as, "Washington Merry Go Round"!...
 
...........................Vern...................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #577 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:55pm »
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Outstanding examples of modeling head-end operations of yore.....
 
http://coastdaylight.com/2005_holiday_photos.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #578 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 1:09pm »
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REA waybill from the 40's.....
 
http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/05/railway-express-waybill.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #579 on: Jun 22nd, 2012, 1:20pm »
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All:
 
When the last two E-L through trains #'s 5 and 6 ("THE LAKE CITIES") were discontinued in 1970, the trains had been losing $141,000 a month, which worked out to about $18 per passenger.
 
Revenues on these trains had plummeted dramatically in the last several years before abandonment.
 
Not surprising, after the head-end revenue disappeared.
 
At the end, these trains were down to but one head-end car, carrying bulk mail and baggage......
 
"H.F.M."


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