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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #520 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 4:03pm »
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An interesting "juice" consist on the London & Port Stanley (Ontario), late 1950's.......
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/on/htm/lps33.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #521 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 4:26pm »
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"Head-end" traffic on rapid transit lines?
 
Yes, at one time, this did indeed exist!
 
When the HUDSON TUBES (today's PATH) began service to Hudson Terminal in lower Manhattan (1909), for a brief time, baggage service was available.
 
A few open-sided "baggage" cars were built for this service, which operated between Hudson Terminal and the DL&W terminal at Hoboken.
 
A baggage room was located at Hudson Terminal; however, this novel experiment was not a success, and was soon discontinued.
 
In London, several of the early "tube" (Underground) lines not only offered baggage service, but also carried mail and express.
 
In Chicago, the CHICAGO RAPID TRANSIT, until the 1930's, also operated funeral trains, using a specially-modified elevated car as a hearse, where family and other mourners could also ride.
 
Certain "L" stations were equipped with special elevators to carry the pallbearers and coffins to and from the elevated station platforms.
 
Strange but true.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #522 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 7:21pm »
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Another interesting traction tidbit was that, into the 1950's, CAPITAL TRANSIT streetcars carried pouch mail from Cabin John and Glen Echo; this mail was then transferred to a U.S. Mail truck.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #523 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 8:04pm »
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On the old "FORT DODGE" interurban, head-end traffic was handled by handsome old combos such as these fine vehicles.......
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/fddms/htm/fddms048.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/fddms/htm/fddms067.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #524 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 10:54pm »
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The NYC, PRR, and LIRR once operated a number of MU's equipped for head-end work (combos, baggage, etc.).
 
Here is one elderly example from the NYC, dating back to the earliest days of electrification out of GCT......
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/nycrr/htm/nyc52.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #525 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 11:05pm »
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Several examples of LIRR head-end MU rolling stock.....
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/lirr/htm/lirr088.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/lirr/htm/lirr091.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/lirr/htm/lirr092.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/lirr/htm/lirr049.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/lirr/htm/lirr046.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #526 on: Jun 15th, 2012, 11:30pm »
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Head-end MU's of the PRSL...........
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/nj/htm/prsl03.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/nj/htm/prsl04.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #527 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 12:03am »
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A handsome KEY SYSTEM combo; this car originally operated for the SACRAMENTO NORTHERN.............
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/keysyst/htm/key046.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #528 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 12:10am »
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Two more KEY SYSTEM views......
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/keysyst/htm/key047.htm
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/keysyst/htm/key048.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #529 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 9:17am »
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The DL&W was another road that once operated MU head-end equipment (all control trailers).
 
Two examples are shown here.
 
http://www.davesrailpix.com/dlw/htm/dlw055.htm
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/mu/el-m3406bkg.jpg
 


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« Reply #530 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 11:15am »
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Don't know about Jerry, but I've seen several suggestions that revival of the YV would be a good thing. So far - nobody has done more than say "Yeah, but..." and then suggest they don't know where the money is going to come from. The LOT of money...

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #531 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 12:47pm »
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on Jun 16th, 2012, 11:15am, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Don't know about Jerry, but I've seen several suggestions that revival of the YV would be a good thing. So far - nobody has done more than say "Yeah, but..." and then suggest they don't know where the money is going to come from. The LOT of money...

 
Clyde:
 
I think you meant to post this in another thread?
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #532 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 1:52pm »
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on Jun 16th, 2012, 12:47pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Clyde:
 
I think you meant to post this in another thread?
 
"H.F.M."

 
Must have, since I don't see anything here to propvoke it. But why I did it here, I duno.


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« Reply #533 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 2:46pm »
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Actually, Clyde, you're on the right thread.  I went back and checked, and the discussion was begun about a month ago (not long at all in Forum longevity)-- but this thread has been so active that a month ago is now a couple dozen pages ago.  The conversation about the YV flared briefly on Pages 1, 2, and 3 of this thread.  So, if you were glancing through those pages, your reply would have landed here, more than 500 posts later . . .
 
 
All's well,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #534 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 2:54pm »
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on Jun 16th, 2012, 1:52pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Must have, since I don't see anything here to provoke it. But why I did it here, I duno.

 
 
Clyde:
 
You seemed about as confused as I was.....not that it takes all that much to confuse yours truly!
 
Seems our good friend Norm is more on the ball than either of us!
 
Thanks, Norm!
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #535 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 3:00pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
Through the course of this discussion, we've seen just how vital and complex head-end operations were to American railroads through the 1960's.
 
Mail, express, baggage, milk.......all once brought steady sources of income to the railroads; in later years, this traffic became of even greater importance to the railroads, as it enabled many roads to keep on operating passenger service that they would otherwise be unable to provide.
 
Once most of the mail was removed from the rails in the late 60's, and the great REA empire collapsed, it became painfully clear that the passenger train, as we knew it, was doomed.
 
Also, throughout this most interesting discussion, we've seen head-end cars not only hauled by steamers, diesels, and electrics, but also, examples of head-end MU and interurban equipment, as well as mentions of such traffic on street railways and and even rapid transit lines.
 
Clearly, this was a chapter of American railroading where the old saying: "there's more to it than meets the eye" truly speaks many volumes.
 
As is obvious, I've spent many late-night hours researching appropriate photo links and other related info for this thread; if I've educated anyone here even a little during the course of this thread, than I have succeeded...........
 
"H.F.M."


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #536 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 4:57pm »
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Mr. Malone, you have succeeded splendidly!
 
You are right, in more ways than one, that "there is more here than meets the eye."  A casual observer might see page after page of links, but those of us who have taken the time to stop and stay awhile have found their time amply rewarded.  To use just this thread as an example, I never knew (because I had never really considered) what an extensive and vital role was played by "head-end" operations.  I could have gone to a library, I suppose, and browsed through many books and magazines; or I could have spent hours (as you have) searching internet sites and photo links to amass the needed information.
 
But it's doubtful I would ever have taken the initiative to do so.  Instead, my education was brought to me, and set in front of me, only a few clicks away.  It was easy, and entertaining, and informative, all at the same time, because you, Mr. Malone, did the hard work.  I have noticed the "post times" on some of these posts, enough to realize that at times sleep for you was only a necessary interruption of the task at hand.
 
This story could be repeated verbatim for many similar threads.  Though we have never met, I surmise that you may be someone who finds praise from others to be a bit embarrassing.  But you have earned it.
 
 
Many, many thanks!
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #537 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 7:12pm »
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Norm:
 
Please, sir, "embarrass" me all you want!
 
No complaints, whatsoever from your humble fellow rail historian!
 
Being a die-hard "varnish buff" from my earliest days, I've always loved nothing better than delving into the "nitty gritty" of bygone passenger operations, most especially since there was still so much of the "classic era" still in operation while I was growing up.
 
Many years of reading, exploring, and extended research enabled me to know what I do today, though I am (thankfully!) about as far removed from an expert as is possible.
 
Many others know far more than I, and I'm most grateful to them for what I have learned, throughout the years..
 
I was especially pleased to have passed on historical data concerning "head-end" operations by streetcar, interurban, and rapid transit lines.
 
This, I feel, is a very neglected area of rail history.
 
Likewise, I have learned a great deal from yourself on Santa Fe passenger operations; much I have gleaned from your meticulous information I've yet to find in any of the books or magazines in my library, and, for that, I say "THANK YOU!"
 
Again, my sincere thanks......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #538 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 8:22pm »
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on Jun 16th, 2012, 2:46pm, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Actually, Clyde, you're on the right thread.  I went back and checked, and the discussion was begun about a month ago (not long at all in Forum longevity)-- but this thread has been so active that a month ago is now a couple dozen pages ago.  The conversation about the YV flared briefly on Pages 1, 2, and 3 of this thread.  So, if you were glancing through those pages, your reply would have landed here, more than 500 posts later . . .
 
 
All's well,
 
Norm

 
 
Ah, that explains it. Glad I'm no more than normally confused.  
 
Thinking of National Parks and trains, when we were at Yellowstone (and Grand Teton) last year, I looked at all the traffic and thought "Pity they pulled up the tracks to West Yellowstone and Gardiner". Gardiner station, by the way, is still there, though you have to know. it is now a county building with water department, library and some other offices in it. No sign or hysterical marker.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #539 on: Jun 16th, 2012, 10:16pm »
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All:
 
Earlier, I'd mentioned that, in the early years of the London Underground, conventional "tube" trains once carried baggage, mail, and express.
 
More recently, a very unusual underground railway carried mail beneath the streets of London.
 
It is worth mentioning here......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.mailrail.co.uk/
 
http://www.silentuk.com/?p=2792
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Post_Office_Railway


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