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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #420 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:15am »
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Washington DC, (B&O), 1937.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5066bhn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #421 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:21am »
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Keystone, PA, 1947 (B&O)
 
Try to find the end of this loooooooooooooooong "head-end" consist!<G>
 
Just think of all revenue generated by each car seen here!
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5086ahn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #422 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:24am »
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A fine-looking B&O consist at Grafton, WV, 1949.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5317ahn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #423 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:28am »
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Terra Alta, WV, 1948.
 
This simply SPECTACULAR B&O vista is beyond classic......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s4407ahn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #424 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:44am »
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A timeless B&O steam scene at Cumberland, MD, in 1947, clearly evokes the classic images found in a vintage Beebe work......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5090goa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #425 on: May 22nd, 2012, 10:53am »
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Linden, MD, 1935.......
 
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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #426 on: May 22nd, 2012, 11:17am »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 10:24am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A fine-looking B&O consist at Grafton, WV, 1949.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5317ahn.jpg

HFM -  
 
I'll do a stretch here. In think this may be a rare view of the CINCINNATIAN. The rest of the B & O views  
make the point. No one can make money in Passenger work, absent the heavy Mail and Express...
 
Meanwhile, do check the Bay Area trivia, in my reply to Norm. Ya' gotta' love the full length movie!...
 
........................Vern........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #427 on: May 22nd, 2012, 11:18am »
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The "CINCINNATIAN", Lima, Ohio, 1953.
 
B&O style, personified......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5203amf.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #428 on: May 22nd, 2012, 1:43pm »
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Baltimore, 1935.
 
Once again, the B&O dazzles us with magnificence.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s2a.jpg


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« Reply #429 on: May 22nd, 2012, 1:49pm »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 1:43pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Baltimore, 1935.
 
Once again, the B&O dazzles us with magnificence.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s2a.jpg

HFM -  
 
A perfectly extraordinary "Publicity Glossy"! Were one to "do the homework" on it, the import of all of it becomes significant!
 
Hint: It is the earliest ROYAL BLUE...
 
.......................Vern........................  


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #430 on: May 22nd, 2012, 2:05pm »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 1:49pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
A perfectly extraordinary "Publicity Glossy"! Were one to "do the homework" on it, the import of all of it becomes significant!
 
Hint: It is the earliest ROYAL BLUE...
 
.......................Vern........................  

 
Vern......
 
In "BALTIMORE & OHIO" (Railroad Color Series) by Reynolds and Oroszi, there is a two-page spread replicaing original "ROYAL BLUE" blurb from 1935, showing same stately consist.
 
Easily could turn MORE than a FEW heads!<G>
 
".....an ocean liner couldn't leave its dock more gracefully.....", according to one line in the the ad!
 
Indeed, a class unto itself........
 
''H.F.M."


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« Reply #431 on: May 22nd, 2012, 2:31pm »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 2:05pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Vern......
 
In "BALTIMORE & OHIO" (Railroad Color Series) by Reynolds and Oroszi, there is a two-page spread replicaing original "ROYAL BLUE" blurb from 1935, showing same stately consist.
 
Easily could turn MORE than a FEW heads!<G>
 
".....an ocean liner couldn't leave its dock more gracefully.....", according to one line in the the ad!
 
Indeed, a class unto itself........
 
''H.F.M."

HFM -  
 
Would it have been so hard to note that "from the git" on all this?
 
I'm still trying to sort out California issues...
 
........................Vern..................


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« Reply #432 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:27pm »
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on May 21st, 2012, 1:11pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
''TWILIGHT TIME ON THE SANTA FE''
 
(Fort Worth, 1973)
 
Sure doesn't look like an AMTRAK consist to me........<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-train-kbp.jpg

 
In 1973 I was in Law School at Baylor. I would sometimes (usually a Saturday or Sunday, can't afford to cut classes in law school) go over to McGregor and buy a round-trip to Fort Worth, just to get away from school a bit. When I started in August, 1971, AMTRAK was new and the Texas Chief was pretty well still exclusively Santa Fe, including leased Santa Fe F-units in Warbonnet colors and crews. A couple of years laer it was still usually mostly Santa Fe cars (mixed lightweights and Hi-Levels), and sometimes Warbonnet Fs and sometimes the new "Bloody Nose" AMTRAK SDP-40s for power.
 
So - a 1973 photo at Fort Worth looking like a Santa Fe train would not be unusual.
 
In 1975, when my wife and I went to Chicago for a bit of TDY (Prosecutor's Short Course at Northwestern), decided to take the train from Temple instead of flying. Train was the Lone Star by then, but still Houston to Chicago on the old Texas Chief route. SDP-40s for power, and mostly ex-Santa Fe cars. Except for the ex-Cal Zephyr Dome-Sleeper-Obs hung on the rear...
 
Oh - most of those Fs ere running out their time and would sometimes lay smoke on acceleration like they thought they were Alcos.  And an A-B-B-A set was often not enough - I have a picture somewhere of a set that included three or four B-units plus an extra A running elephant style if memory serves.


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« Reply #433 on: May 22nd, 2012, 5:32pm »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 11:18am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The "CINCINNATIAN", Lima, Ohio, 1953.
 
B&O style, personified......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5203amf.jpg

 
And powered by probably the most satisfactory (in terms of its appearance) streamlined steam locomotive evey put in service, though the Blue Goose and the N&W Js and Ks were right up there with them.


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« Reply #434 on: May 23rd, 2012, 1:08am »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 9:54am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NORM -
 
Thank You for restating the Photo link! The view is provocative! I just can't figure where it may have been done! I have  
fairly much dismissed Oakland - Emeryville - Berkeley - Richmond, but I could be all wrong. Background hints fairly  
flat terrain, which suggests a point in the Valley?
 
.........................Vern.....................

 
Vern, I'm a bit embarrassed to say I'm not sure either exactly where this photo was taken.  I rather suspect it's a "publicity still," rather than a photo of the train actually carrying passengers-- that looks an awful lot like yard trackage to me.  Maybe the paint's not even completely dry yet . . .
 
If I look closely, I think I see a hazy ridgeline behind the trees at the very rear of the train.  If that's true, then it rules out places like Stockton, Riverbank, or Fresno, where the mountains are much farther away.  Oakland or Richmond are possible, as is Bakersfield (but not much farther north than Bakersfield).  The ridges don't look like the San Gabriels, so I strongly doubt the photo was taken in the Los Angeles area-- though, on third or fourth glance, I can't completely rule out San Bernardino, although I consider it an extremely long shot . . .
 
 
Sorry I can't be of more help.
 
Norm


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on May 22nd, 2012, 10:21am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Keystone, PA, 1947 (B&O)
 
Try to find the end of this loooooooooooooooong "head-end" consist!<G>
 
Just think of all revenue generated by each car seen here!
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5086ahn.jpg

 
Wowzers, Mr. Malone!
 
This is not only a long consist, but an interesting one.  And, I'm always impressed by photos that stay fairly sharp, even when I blow them up to 400% on my browser . . .  I counted at least 18 cars (assuming the signal box hides the splice between cars 9 and 10).  But I think that's a 19th car leading off to the right margin of the photo, and maybe even that one isn't carrying the markers!  Car 6 is an early steel boxcar with vertical ribs and rounded roofline ("covered wagons," I heard them called when I was a li'l shaver).  Cars 11 and 14 look to be outside-brace wooden boxcars.
 
I can almost hear the tagline - -  B&O Means Business!!
 
Norm


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HwyHaulier
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NORM -  
 
"Valley Flyer" Photo: http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s1369abw.jpg
 
SIGH! We'll never really know? In at least one A T S F History, a Photo of the train, in the street, adjacent the West Oakland  
(actually, about in Emeryville) Station. Known as a publicity glossy; so we may assume others done same day?
 
In revisiting this, maybe it was Oakland? Note the three power poles in background. Whatever the apparent devices or hardware  
on tops of poles? Possibly lamps displayed on high structures on Airport approach routes? If such the case, it does narrow down  
possibilities of site of this Photo...
 
Noted the vague hint of the high ridge line of a possible something, on far left background. Wish I could "...get my bearings..."  
with this one...
 
........................Vern.....................


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« Reply #437 on: May 23rd, 2012, 10:53am »
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on May 22nd, 2012, 10:21am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Just think of all revenue generated by each car seen here!

 
.....Just curious......is there any way to put a figure to this....say for a specific railroad in a specific year?....Tom


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on May 23rd, 2012, 10:53am, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
.....Just curious......is there any way to put a figure to this....say for a specific railroad in a specific year?....Tom  

TOM -  
 
BINGO! It was enormous! Besides, the railroads (seems to me) must have held to steamship ACCOUNTING methods.  
Same thing done to this day by truck operators.
 
EVERY TRIP expected to pay its own way, or DON'T RUN IT! As I disclaimed earlier, better this not become a Cost  
Accounting Seminar (as it is much too esoteric)...
 
Related? The old BURLINGTON ZEPHYR System generated enormous flows from cash paying riders. Nothing beats  
steady cash in a business. "Louie" (Lou) Menk was scared beyond belief of the (then) new B-727 at O'Hare. The aircraft  
would also run (high altitude) Denver. So, he put together a "kangaroo court" deal, and shut it all down.
 
Ah! Don't start! Should I offer Graduate Level Seminars in this stuff? (Must confess I enjoy the vindication as it comes in!  
It supports "I told you so!" arguendo!)...
 
...........................Vern.......................


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« Reply #439 on: May 23rd, 2012, 3:57pm »
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Just one more nod to the Valley Flyer . . .
 
Here are a few photos of this train actually in-service, including a photo of one of the 4-6-2s, in color !
 
http://trainman.net/valley_flyer_history.html
 
 
Regards,
 
norm


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