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ClydeDET
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« Reply #360 on: May 20th, 2012, 8:17pm »
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on May 20th, 2012, 5:47pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

NORM - HFM - Colleagues -
 
I sit at my keyboard, watching the passing parade. I have "issues" with this photo! Where the ALCO Power?  
Why the "El Cap" Car behind?
 
.........................Vern...............

 
San Francisco Chief? It ran with Hi-Levls


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« Reply #361 on: May 20th, 2012, 9:51pm »
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on May 20th, 2012, 8:17pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
San Francisco Chief? It ran with Hi-Levls

CLYDE -
 
All right! You caught me at 'leading the witness'! The Photo raises some questions,and I'll let the witness respond on the record!
 
.........................Vern.........................


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« Reply #362 on: May 20th, 2012, 10:00pm »
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CAJON PASS, 1966 ''WOW!!"
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0028Crsa.jpg
 
CHICAGO, 1965
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-f7a-jpe.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #363 on: May 20th, 2012, 11:28pm »
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A few more vintage SF views.....
 
1965 view of RPO #2054; caption states it is a combo........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-rp2054jpa.jpg
 
Heavyweight combo #2908 in a classic scene, bringing up the rear of an express train......  
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-cb2908cca.jpg
 
Dodge City, Kansas, 1961.........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-be3465jpa.jpg
 


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« Reply #364 on: May 20th, 2012, 11:30pm »
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on May 20th, 2012, 9:51pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

CLYDE -
 
All right! You caught me at 'leading the witness'! The Photo raises some questions,and I'll let the witness respond on the record!
 
.........................Vern.........................

 
 
Vern, Clyde, and HFM,
 
Having been duly subpoenaed, I'll try to respond as best I know . . . (and, yes, I am a sucker for Warbonnet "bait" . . . )  Rather than turn this into several posts, I'll try to repost several links here, along with comments.
 
1.  http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0021rsa.jpg   This is indeed the San Francisco Chief rolling through Pinole, California (one of the most picturesque little towns along that stretch of the line, at least at the time the photo was taken).  I suspect, but can't prove, that this is eastbound Train No. 2, newly departed from Richmond.  The San Francisco Chief usually ran with ALCos on the point, but not always.  The US Mail container flats were fairly standard by the mid-60s.  Each trainset carried three Hi-Level Chair Cars (the cars from the 1956 order for the El Capitan, reassigned here when the El Cap was re-equipped in 1964).  There was also a "Big Dome" Lounge, usually placed just aft of the Hi-Levels, then a Diner and several Sleepers.
 
2.  http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0081gea.jpg   This scene at (I believe) Denver Union Station shows the connecting train from Denver to La Junta, where Sleepers and Chair Cars were handed off to, or picked up from, the Chief.  Santa Fe at this time offered through cars Denver-Chicago and Denver-Los Angeles.  This locomotive has an interesting tale to tell, as well.  She is an "E8m" rebuild, done in late 1952 or early 1953.  Before this locomotive became "A-unit" No. 81, she was "B-unit" No. 2A, the booster unit for the original streamlined Super Chief of 1937.  She was only 15 years old when she was rebuilt.
 
3.  http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0025rsa.jpg   This head-end-heavy consist is either the westbound Grand Canyon, Train #123, or the westbound Fast Mail Express, Train #7.  There is not enough information here to be able to tell which.  What can be seen with certainty is that she is in the act of accelerating away from the Barstow depot.  The rear of the train has not yet cleared the platforms.  The big "Casa Del Desierto" depot, Fred Harvey Lunchroom, and crew hotel is just behind the train, on the north side of the tracks.  Off camera to the right is the freight yard and, beyond that, the Diesel shops.  (Both the yard and shops are now gone, replaced by much, much larger facilities a couple of miles west of here).  As a teenager on my "day trips" to Barstow on the Chief, I whiled away many, many hours standing on that very viaduct, gazing down at the almost constant action below.
 
4.   http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0028Crsa.jpg   This view, just east of Summit atop Cajon Pass, is certainly Train 123, the westbound Grand Canyon.  The four tracks are, beginning at the left (farthest from the camera)-- the Eastbound Main; the Eastbound Passing Track; the Westbound Main (on which #123 is running); and the Westbound Passing Track (nearest the camera).
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #365 on: May 21st, 2012, 12:36am »
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Restored SF horse express car.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-b1995.jpg


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« Reply #366 on: May 21st, 2012, 12:41am »
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Though not on topic, this SF view from 1975 is well worth sharing.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-pc87csa.jpg


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« Reply #367 on: May 21st, 2012, 12:47am »
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Grand Canyon, 1965.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-paxtrn-alr.jpg


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« Reply #368 on: May 21st, 2012, 12:51am »
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VERY lengthy consist of the steam-hauled FAST MAIL, at Barstow, CA.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3784abw.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #369 on: May 21st, 2012, 12:56am »
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Another classic SF steam photo, this one from 1933.
 
No location info given......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3743vaa.jpg


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« Reply #370 on: May 21st, 2012, 1:01am »
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Truly magnificent ''double-header" at San Bernadeno, 1933.
 
Ahhhh, the Granduer Of the Age Of Steam!
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3908vaa.jpg


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« Reply #371 on: May 21st, 2012, 1:07am »
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Another stunning (undated) view, this one depicting the steam-hauled CHIEF........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3777abw.jpg


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« Reply #372 on: May 21st, 2012, 1:15am »
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Undated photo (no location given) of the VALLEY FLYER.
 
Man, what a looker!
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s1369abw.jpg


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« Reply #373 on: May 21st, 2012, 1:41am »
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Barstow, 1966......a classic image of the SF of long ago.......  
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0047rsa.jpg


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« Reply #374 on: May 21st, 2012, 1:50am »
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Chicago, 1965.
 
Handsome SF power in foreground, express cars in the background.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-f7a0jpa.jpg


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« Reply #375 on: May 21st, 2012, 9:12am »
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on May 21st, 2012, 12:56am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Another classic SF steam photo, this one from 1933.
 
No location info given......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3743vaa.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3908vaa.jpg

 
 
Mr. Malone, I took the liberty of also including the link to the "double-header" photo here . . .
 
Both photos were taken at San Bernardino.  In the first photo, you can see the San Bernardino Shops in the background.  The view looks due west, toward Los Angeles.  In 1933, there wasn't a Diesel road engine or a lightweight passenger car anywhere on the Santa Fe.  This is steam-hauled heavyweight passenger service in all its glory.
 
San Bernardino was where eastbound passenger trains received their Helpers for the assault on Cajon Pass.  In the first view, the train is spotted at the water plug, awaiting its Helper.  The second link shows a similar (but not identical) passenger train, with the "road engine" taking on water, just after the Helper has been attached.  "Highball!" is probably just a minute or two away.
 
I can't tell, in either view, which eastbound train this is.  I'm pretty sure it's not the flagship Chief, since that train left in the late evening, I believe, before the Super came along in 1936.  Ditto for the California Limited.  On the other hand, I would think that lowlier trains like the Scout or the Navajo would have carried more head-end cars.  This could, perhaps, be the Grand Canyon, but I am really only guessing here.  (But also documenting that in 1933 Santa Fe fielded five daily name trains from Los Angeles to Chicago.)
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm
 


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« Reply #376 on: May 21st, 2012, 9:55am »
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Norm.......
 
Yes, I had the feeling that you would be able to shed some light on these rare old SF views......I don't call you ''Mr. Santa Fe'' for nothing, my friend!
 
Again, greatly appreciate your time, effort, and input!
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #377 on: May 21st, 2012, 9:57am »
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on May 21st, 2012, 12:51am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
VERY lengthy consist of the steam-hauled FAST MAIL, at Barstow, CA.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3784abw.jpg

HFM -  
 
Good Heavens! SANTA FE ran one serious railroad! Don't know which sounds I would like to hear again.  
The 3784 starting that train, or comparable. Or, the "Jimmy" - E M D working chorales all starting up under load!
 
There are rumors, BTW, that out on the desert, the SANTA FE ran most quickly and with urgent dispatch!  
(If under oath, I don't know a thing about it!)
 
......................Vern.................


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« Reply #378 on: May 21st, 2012, 10:03am »
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Vern......
 
Agreed!
 
One would be hard pressed, indeed, choosing between a harmonic EMD concert or the Mighty Sounds of Steam!
 
I've long maintained, that, if the Almighty ever ran a railroad, it would have had to have been the SF and the DL&W!
 
Cant wait to celebrate the High Holy Days.....<G>
 
''H.F.M.''


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Vern......
 
Agreed!
 
One would be hard pressed, indeed, choosing between a harmonic EMD concert or the Mighty Sounds of Steam!
 
I've long maintained, that, if the Almighty ever ran a railroad, it would have had to have been the SF and the DL&W!
 
Cant wait to celebrate the High Holy Days.....<G>
 
''H.F.M.''

HFM -  
 
Shudda' - Coulda' - "What If" speculation. Throw N K P into the mix, for one superb Transcon Railroad.  
After all, "...a pig can travel..." and Robert Young fantasies, and all that!
 
.....................Vern...................


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