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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #160 on: May 16th, 2012, 12:59pm »
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Brick Church (East Orange), 1964.
 
Lead PA still in ERIE dress.
 
The PA's were used quite extensively on the Scranton trains, through the mid-60's.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie853blb.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #161 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:03pm »
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HFM -  
 
Nice excuse? The Vatican needs be notified on point? How there was peace in setups of ALCO and EMD Power?  
It was an apparent Miracle! Should one get past the "Raymond Loewy design" nonsense, the ALCO Power fitful  
and balky! Always were!
 
ESPEE (a higher authority) did not intermix the types?
 
........................Vern.................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #162 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:08pm »
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Binghamton, 1964.
 
This appears to be Train No. #22, bound for Hoboken (note old Marconi wireless tower in the background).....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el853at.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #163 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:11pm »
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Warren, Ohio, 1962..............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el855lba.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #164 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:21pm »
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Chicago, 1966.
 
This would be either the "PHOEBE SNOW" or the "LAKE CITIES".......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el819ajh.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #165 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:34pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 1:21pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Chicago, 1966.
 
This would be either the "PHOEBE SNOW" or the "LAKE CITIES".......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el819ajh.jpg

HFM -  
 
Note EMD Power at date?
 
"Phoebe Snow in such a fright...
Far from her 'Road Of Anthracite'...
No reason to be in such a tizz...
Her own Road Power is what it is
..."?
 
...................Vern...................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #166 on: May 16th, 2012, 1:52pm »
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Vern........
 
Encore! Encore!<G>
 
As noted earlier, the PA's could be found on many through schedules, and were staples on the Scranton trains (such as No. 43, "THE TWILIGHT"), which were discontinued in the mid-60's.
 
On some of these runs, the PA's would be MU'd with an E unit.
 
They eventually were relegated to commuter duties out of Hoboken, with the E's handling the remaining through runs.
 
By the late 60's, the PA's had been sent west (as had the FM Trainmasters, several years earlier) for freight duties........
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #167 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:01pm »
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Chicago, 1967.
 
As the "PHOEBE SNOW" had been discontinued late in the previous year, this train would be "THE LAKE CITIES".
 
Noe absence of RPO, and one lone express car.
 
Indeed, the end was nigh......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el822ajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #168 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:06pm »
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Warren, Ohio, early 60's.
 
Note ex-ERIE E-8 #824 emblazoned with new E-L decals (yes, I said DECALS!)
 
Microscale, Champion, anyone?<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el0824lba.jpg


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« Reply #169 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:13pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 1:03pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
Nice excuse? The Vatican needs be notified on point? How there was peace in setups of ALCO and EMD Power?  
It was an apparent Miracle! Should one get past the "Raymond Loewy design" nonsense, the ALCO Power fitful  
and balky! Always were!
 
ESPEE (a higher authority) did not intermix the types?
 
........................Vern.................

 
Well, maybe not always - appears that the "PA4", the four M-K rebuilt for D&H with 251s and up-graded conrol systems, lacked most of the operating quirks of the 244-powered originals. How well they MU'd with EMD or GE power, dunno.  


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #170 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:16pm »
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Olean, NY, 1966.
 
Appearances are indeed decieving......classic consists like this were, even then, living on borrowed time.
 
Not long into the future, all head-end operations on the E-L would quietly expire.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el825.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #171 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:21pm »
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E-L PA #853, still in full ERIE dress, at Waldwick, 1961, awaiting next commuter run back to Hoboken............
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=327564&nsequ8


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« Reply #172 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:31pm »
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"ESPEE (a higher authority) did not intermix the types?"
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp6004.jpg
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp6025rrc.jpg
 
Not often but it was done...
 
How's this for... paying the bills...
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp6006rrb.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #173 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:33pm »
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See also.....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALCO_PA


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #174 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:38pm »
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Marion, Ohio (1960's)......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el857age.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #175 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:44pm »
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Undated view of ERIE PA #862 leading an E unit.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie0862lba.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #176 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:53pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 2:31pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"ESPEE (a higher authority) did not intermix the types?"
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp6004.jpg
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Jerry -
 
From Operating folks I knew, ALCO Power did not "play well with others"!
Upon E-L merger, a presumption all pulled in to "short" assignments?  
 
Had it been up to me, I would have not ever moved the power to Chicago!
 
..........................Vern....................


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« Reply #177 on: May 16th, 2012, 3:15pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 2:13pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Well, maybe not always - appears that the "PA4", the four M-K rebuilt for D&H with 251s and up-graded conrol systems, lacked most of the operating quirks of the 244-powered originals.  
How well they MU'd with EMD or GE power, dunno.

Clyde -  
 
Yes, but... It was ex post facto, yes?
 
Were I running the Power Desk at E-L, I would not have known this. At the time, I would not have sent the ALCO Power "long"...
(I wouldn't want the bet whether they might get in trouble at Marion, OH?)...
 
............................Vern........................


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« Reply #178 on: May 16th, 2012, 3:17pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 2:53pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Jerry -
 
From Operating folks I knew, ALCO Power did not "play well with others"!
Upon E-L merger, a presumption all pulled in to "short" assignments?  
 
Had it been up to me, I would have not ever moved the power to Chicago!
 
..........................Vern....................

 
Vern......
 
During the first half of the 60's, the ex-ERIE PA's could be found on a number of E-L  through routes, especially on the HOB-BINGHAMTON, and HOB-SCRANTON runs.
 
No PHOEBE or LAKE CITIES duties, though!
 
After the HOB-SCRANTON runs bit the dust in the mid-60's, the PA's held down a number of commuter schedules out of Hoboken, until banishment to the West for freight service.
 
Recall, too, that by the later 1960's, there were more than enough surplus E units on hand to handle the commuter runs, with virtually all through services dead and buried......
 
None of the ERIE/E-L PA's survive......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #179 on: May 16th, 2012, 3:39pm »
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No information whatsoever given for this undated (1960's) E-L view; clearly, a derailment of some sort has occured......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el852a.jpg


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