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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #140 on: May 15th, 2012, 12:50pm »
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Binghamton, NY (E-L), 1963.
 
Note overloaded mail/baggage wagons at right, waiting ......it was all much-needed revenue, folks!
 
Once it was all gone, could one realistically expect the trains to survive?
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-pax-ds.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #141 on: May 15th, 2012, 12:56pm »
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E-L baggage car at New Haven, 1966.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-b504.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #142 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:06pm »
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Head-end action on the E-L with ex-ERIE PA's in charge.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el-warPA1.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el85xajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #143 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:11pm »
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An ERIE PA-hauled train quite heavy on head-end equipment......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-pa-ajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #144 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:15pm »
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Binghamton, NY, 1964.
 
E-L PA (now repainted in "new" DL&W colors) at Binghamton, just in from Hoboken w/ Train #21.
 
As noted earlier, the E-L was still doing a substantial head-end business, through the first half of the 1960's......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el853as.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #145 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:24pm »
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Binghamton (E-L), January, 1964........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el853et.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #146 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:35pm »
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Undated view at Binghamton (ERIE)
 
Look closely on the far left; looks to be a RDG coach (old Marconi wireless tower looms in the background).....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie862w.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #147 on: May 15th, 2012, 2:49pm »
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Detailed, fascinating account of READING passsenger equipment at Binghamton......
 
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=20624


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #148 on: May 15th, 2012, 8:19pm »
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All:
 
Just came across this photo; caption only tells us that a Reading TRAINMASTER is in charge of this train at Binghamton, NY (1959)
 
There is also an interesting photo on pages #84-85 of "READING COMPANY IN COLOR: VOLUME 1" by Jeremey F. Plant, which shows a train (No. 194) from Harrisburg.
 
FM powers this consist, which is made up of seven head-end cars and a lone CNJ coach bringing up the rear; most of the head-end equipment is ERIE or DL&W.
 
Several of the ERIE cars are painted in the two-one green........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/dlw863agd.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #149 on: May 15th, 2012, 10:45pm »
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Unidentified E-L train, early 60's..............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el863at.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #150 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:23am »
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An almost surreal wintry night at Binghamton, 1962 (Hank Snow's immortal, haunting "GHOST TRAINS"*  is tailor-made for this vintage image).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el-e8-bs.jpg
 
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjbjUy4KDYI


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #151 on: May 16th, 2012, 2:28am »
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Head-end business on the ERIE was obviously quite brisk, if this stunning 1950's image of the ERIE LIMITED is of any indication!<G>
 
Each car represented additional, welcome income to the "Weary Erie".......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie832ark.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #152 on: May 16th, 2012, 9:13am »
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on May 16th, 2012, 2:28am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Head-end business on the ERIE was obviously quite brisk, if this stunning 1950's image of the ERIE LIMITED is of any indication!<G>
 
Each car represented additional, welcome income to the "Weary Erie".......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie832ark.jpg

HFM -  
 
That's about exactly what I saw one morning in 1964, heading West somewhere near Olean...
 
...........................Vern......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #153 on: May 16th, 2012, 9:34am »
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Vern/All:
 
VERY brief mention of RDG train No.1301 ("INTERSTATE EXPRESS").......
 
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/hudson/?page=dlw


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #154 on: May 16th, 2012, 9:59am »
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on May 16th, 2012, 9:13am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
That's about exactly what I saw one morning in 1964, heading West somewhere near Olean...
 
...........................Vern......................

 
Vern.....
 
Sounds about right to me!<G>
 
Down at Hoboken, it seems I cannot recall any ex-ERIE passenger power still in green any later than '64.
 
A good number of rolling stock, however, wore the old ERIE colors until retirement; the "through line" Stillwells, for example, were sill in two-tone green when they were retired from commuter service on the Port Jervis line in 1974.
 
Ex-ERIE business cars looked especially handsome in this now-classic scheme......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #155 on: May 16th, 2012, 10:12am »
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E-L commuter train, circa-1965.
 
Note PA is now painted in "new" DL&W paint.
 
Note, too, old "BOONTON" combine leading a string of ex-ERIE Stillwells (still in two-tone green); consists like this caught the eye, for, as a general rule, the suburban equipment of the DL&W and the ERIE were usually kept in consists of their bretheren.
 
Of course, as is clear here, some "mixing" did take place......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el851ajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #156 on: May 16th, 2012, 10:33am »
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Youngstown, Ohio (E-L), early 60's.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el0852lba.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #157 on: May 16th, 2012, 10:37am »
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A better view of the same E-L train; head-end business dominates.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el0852lbb.jpg


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« Reply #158 on: May 16th, 2012, 12:32pm »
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on May 16th, 2012, 10:37am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A better view of the same E-L train; head-end business dominates.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el0852lbb.jpg

HFM -  
 
I think what we are seeing is a triumph of reason from the former D L W people? In episodes of, "Been There, Done That",  
a great deal of Operating folks simply did not like ALCO Power...
 
In photos, I see that E-L figured how to get ALCO power to "train" with EMD units. IMHO, E-L with a tacit directive the  
ALCO Power was NOT to "go long" on assignments. As the ALCO PA types known as good in Mountain running, whatever  
the point on the ERIE Main? (Flat as a pool table, West of Cleveland!)
 
.....................Vern..................


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on May 16th, 2012, 12:32pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
I think what we are seeing is a triumph of reason from the former D L W people? In episodes of, "Been There, Done That",  
a great deal of Operating folks simply did not like ALCO Power...
 
In photos, I see that E-L figured how to get ALCO power to "train" with EMD units. IMHO, E-L with a tacit directive the  
ALCO Power was NOT to "go long" on assignments. As the ALCO PA types known as good in Mountain running, whatever  
the point on the ERIE Main? (Flat as a pool table, West of Cleveland!)
 
.....................Vern..................

 
Vern........
 
Interesting bit of trivia on the ex-ERIE PA units......
 
They often MU'd on passenger/mail/express runs with E units; when this was done, E-L tried to make sure that the PA's would lead the E.
 
This was done because they accelerated more quickly, and would pull out the slack in a train.
 
If, however, they were trailing an E, they habit of "kicking" the leading E, and a ripple of slack would be sent through the consist, making its presence known to the passengers.......
 
"H.F.M."


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