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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #60 on: May 8th, 2012, 1:54am »
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"PLAZA SANTA FE"..........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-d503ajs.jpg
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/rspicture.aspx?id=10434


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #61 on: May 8th, 2012, 1:59am »
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More pics of interest on this page.........
 
http://www.trainweb.org/chris/featherdomes.html


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #62 on: May 8th, 2012, 6:15am »
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on May 8th, 2012, 1:39am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Dining on the SF..........
 
http://lukehoney.typepad.com/the_greasy_spoon/2012/01/the-santa-fe-dining-car.html

 
Another interesting find, Mr Malone!
 
The top photo is almost certainly of a Super Chief Dining Car interior, though probably using models rather than actual passengers and crew-- note the elegant view of the Coach Yards outside the Diner's windows . . .  The "table for two" illustrates that this is a 36-seat Diner, rather than the then-standard 48-seat car.  The standard Diner had six rows of tables-for-four on each side of the aisle-- on the Super, it was six rows of four-and-two.  This meant 25% fewer patrons at each seating, but a far more elegant and roomy atmosphere.  And, with one waiter for each six patrons, you can imagine the level of attentiveness (always at hand, but never, ever intrusive).
 
The early '60s menu is a treat-- to get an idea of the prices, for equivalents in today's dollars, multiply by about eight or ten, and you'll be in the ballpark . . .
 
As someone who has sampled Fred Harvey's hospitality on several occasions, I can attest that the Wikipedia description is accurate.  I never once got up from the table feeling disappointed.  It was part of the company's "culture"-- the goal was not adequacy, but excellence.  Not "avoiding complaints," but earning praise.  (During the final years, when the Fred Harvey operation was absorbed by a company called Amfac, there was a slight diminution, but even what remained was by no means "shabby.")
 
The recipe for Santa Fe's famous French Toast is a real treat.
 
The only "rivet-counting" remark I would offer (simply an observation, not a criticism) is that the second Dining Car interior is not a Super Chief Diner.  Still does a good job of conveying the "Dining Car Experience," though.
 
 
Nice to encounter this.  Thank you.
 
Norm


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #63 on: May 8th, 2012, 6:46am »
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on May 8th, 2012, 1:59am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
More pics of interest on this page.........
 
http://www.trainweb.org/chris/featherdomes.html

 
And, another screamer over the right-field fence . . .
 
The preserved railcars that impress me the most are the ones restored to as-delivered condition.  And, it looks like the owners of Plaza Santa Fe got it just right.  The only thing that looks out of place in the photos is the clientele.  In actual Super Chief service, all the men would have been wearing suits and ties, and the women would have worn elegant evening dresses.  It was simply expected, and the expectation was understood.
 
The photos of the train ride through California's Central Valley and over Donner Pass are wonderful, as well.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #64 on: May 8th, 2012, 6:59am »
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on May 6th, 2012, 5:51pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Heavyweight #1303 (baggage/dorm bar-lounge, rebuilt from baggage/buffet-library).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-c1303ab.jpg

 
This was actually a very elegant car in its heyday . . .
 
Far from being a lowly "combine," this was the head-end Lounge Car (the "Smoker") on the heavyweight Chief, in the years before the Super Chief, when trains 19 and 20 were the all-Pullman flagship.  This car even had a name once-- I've spent some time trying to locate the name, to no avail-- but sister car 1301 was named Chief Yellow Bear, and sister car 1304 was named Chief Manakaja.
 
These cars were replaced by lightweights in 1938 when The Chief was streamlined; but then, ten years later in 1948 when the Super Chief went to daily operation, the lightweight Baggage/Buffets were taken from the Chief and given to the Super, so these heavyweight cars were actually returned to Chief service for several years.  (In truth, during the interim between 1938 and 1948, they probably weren't gathering dust-- they were probably either assigned to Second Sections of the Chief, or perhaps even to trains like the Scout.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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« Reply #65 on: May 8th, 2012, 7:30am »
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on May 5th, 2012, 10:11pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Lunch counter/Diner/Dorm cars at Los Angeles.....
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/atsf/atsf-lu1553abr.jpg
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/atsf/atsf-p1570.jpg

 
 
The Lunch Counter Diners were interesting cars-- the narrow windows in the center of the car is where the Lunch Counter was located-- the windows were above and behind the attendant, and the Lunch Counter patrons would have faced them.  The three larger windows were for conventional table seating (probably a table for four at each window, for a total of 24 seated patrons, plus however many swivel seats were at the Lunch Counter).  Not nearly as "formal" as a traditional Dining Car, but the service and cuisine were still by Fred Harvey, so the passengers had nothing to worry about.
 
In the years before Hi-Levels, the all-coach El Capitan routinely carried two such cars per consist:
 
     (Locomotives and head-end equipment)
     Chair Car
     Chair Car
     Lunch Counter Diner
     Char Car
     Chair Car
     Club Lounge Car  ("Big Dome," 1954-1956)
     Chair Car
     Chair Car
     Lunch Counter Diner
     Chair car
     Chair Observation
 
On other trains like the Chief, the Lunch Counter Diners were sometimes added to the consist during heavy travel times, to relieve pressure on the full Diner.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #66 on: May 8th, 2012, 9:19am »
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Norm...........
 
Most appreciative that you've found my "buried treasures" so much of interest; always reassuring to know that the efforts your late night "research safaris" are appreciated!
 
Thank you!
 
Your knowledge of SF passenger operations is both highly informative and most enjoyable.......hope you get around to writing a book on the subject, one of these days......I'll be FIRST at the book signing!<G>
 
As I've stated in past discussions, SF passenger operations are indeed a fascinaing topic unto itself........always seems to be something new to discover.
 
Sad that SF's high level of excellence regarding passenger services can never be duplicated.......the road was clearly in a realm all its own!
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #67 on: May 8th, 2012, 9:52am »
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Norm/All:
 
Also of interest.........
 
http://www.californiarailtours.com/PSF.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #68 on: May 8th, 2012, 9:58am »
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Another view of the "PLAZA SANTA FE"..............
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacksnell707/5520142491


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #69 on: May 8th, 2012, 10:04am »
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See also:
 
http://ptatransitauthority.blogspot.com/2011/07/amtrak-santa-fe-railroad.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #70 on: May 8th, 2012, 10:29am »
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Several photos of interest on this page..........
 
http://trainweb.org/carl/SantaFeSouthern/SantaFeSouthern3.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #71 on: May 8th, 2012, 11:01am »
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.......t'was another time.........
 
http://www.nyow.org/menu.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #72 on: May 8th, 2012, 11:07am »
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Another good page (w/photos).......
 
http://www.railsnw.com/tours/spirit_of_the_cascades/spirit_of_the_cascades-train.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Survivors (if sorts)..........
 
http://www.chrisjacks.com/dinnertrain.html


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« Reply #74 on: May 8th, 2012, 3:40pm »
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"This car even had a name once... and sister car 1304 was named Chief Manakaja."
 
The 1303 is in fact 1304 Chief Manakaia.  It was renumbered 1351 in 2/39, loosing its name at that time, and then renumbered again to 1303 with no name in 1/49.  This is all detailed on the page for the car...
http://www.sdrm.org/roster/passenger/lo-1304/index.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #75 on: May 8th, 2012, 3:46pm »
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Reliving the glamourous era of the Santa Fe in miniature......thanks to LEGO (!!)..............
 
http://carneycastle.com/Trains/index.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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on May 8th, 2012, 3:40pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"This car even had a name once... and sister car 1304 was named Chief Manakaja."
 
The 1303 is in fact 1304 Chief Manakaia.  It was renumbered 1351 in 2/39, loosing its name at that time, and then renumbered again to 1303 with no name in 1/49.  This is all detailed on the page for the car...
http://www.sdrm.org/roster/passenger/lo-1304/index.html

 
 
Jerry:
 
Once again, THANKS for your input and additional info!
 
Much appreciated, as always......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #77 on: May 8th, 2012, 3:58pm »
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Another interesting SF-related page ("Warbonnet" troop train)............
 
http://www.valleypass.com/Sales/Troop.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #78 on: May 8th, 2012, 4:08pm »
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Not all of the Pullmans that operated on the AT&SF were glamorous and comfortable conveyances......recalling the operations of troop sleepers during WW 2..............
 
http://atsfrr.net/resources/Internet/Consists/Troop.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #79 on: May 8th, 2012, 4:18pm »
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Well-done page on Pullman troop sleepers.
 
Note that the SF also utilized ex-SP interurban ("Red Electric") trailers, hauled by locomotives, and bearing SF markings.....
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Troop_sleeper


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