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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #120 on: May 10th, 2012, 1:22pm »
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Vern..........
 
I only wish that I'd kept notes on that journey; I still regret it to this day!
 
While I can recall seeing position lights from my vantage point, I cannot honestly remember if they were PRR or B&O.
 
I do remember being in the dome after dark, however, hence my recollections of the Moon.
 
In fact, I had no idea at all that there even was a dome in the consist, until a veteran car attendent (ex-PRR porter) informed me, seeing I was a rail enthusiast...............
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #121 on: May 10th, 2012, 1:36pm »
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Early AMTRAK view at Chicago, 1974.
 
A dome is visible on the right............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-train-cwp.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #122 on: May 10th, 2012, 1:40pm »
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HFM -  
 
Think on it, please! You knew you were on P R R, when signals displayed a line of THREE AMBER lights, in four possible alignments (Vert - Horiz - 45 L - 45 R)...
 
On B & O, one observed COLOR POSITION LIGHTS! Vert - GRN, Horiz - RED, Diag AMBER. Also, B & O good for "Home" and "Approach" fixtures. See  
Rules for an often seen GRN - GRN - LW (Lunar White) indication. Meant the train was really rolling, and no stops or restrictions anticipated...
 
Again, what track were you on, if recall? The DOME could have been carried from CGO over old PENN, but would need to be dropped at Harrisburg...
 
......................Vern.......................
 


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Ticket Agent serving...Pacific Stage Lines...Washington State System...Mt. Hood Stages...Pickwick Stages...Transcontinental & Western Air Lines.... Admitted Gold Bug..... Observant Orthodox Mossback..... H.M.R.A.O. Curmudgeons......
HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Re: Bed 'n Breakfast AT&SF-style
 
« Reply #123 on: May 10th, 2012, 1:59pm »
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on May 10th, 2012, 1:40pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
Think on it, please! You knew you were on P R R, when signals displayed a line of three amber lights, in four possible alignments (Vert - Horiz - 45 L - 45 R)...
 
On B & O, one observed COLOR POSITION LIGHTS! Vert - GRN, Horiz - RED, Diag AMBER. Also, B & O good for "Home" and "Approach" fixtures. See  
Rules for an often seen GRN - GRN - LW (Lunar White) indication. Meant the train was really rolling, and no stops or restrictions anticipated...
 
Again, what track were you on, if recall? The DOME could have been carried from CGO over old PENN, but would need to be dropped at Harrisburg...
 
......................Vern.......................
 

 
 
Vern.......
 
Details! Details!<G>
 
OK, further delving into my memory bank, I now DO recall position lights being PRR (amber lights now clear in my mind)
 
As to what track I boarded at, I have no recolletion at all what track number this might have been.
 
I of course knew that car would not be going past Harrisburg, where the ex-PRR catenary began/ended.........
 
"H.F.M."


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #124 on: May 10th, 2012, 2:15pm »
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HFM -  
 
Thanks! Your memory recalls train handled over former P R R! Or, via Canton OH - PIT - Johnstown - Altoona - HBG. By the time, of course, it was CONRAIL...
 
..............................Vern.....................
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #125 on: May 10th, 2012, 3:19pm »
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Ex-SF dome #9355 ("PLAZA ZUNI"), 1977.........
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtDOME/amt9355.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #126 on: May 10th, 2012, 3:34pm »
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Chicago, 1973 (OK, so this is not an SF car!)<G>
 
Dome #9801 (ex-BN, ex-CB&Q #321)............
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtDOME/amt9801.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #127 on: May 10th, 2012, 4:33pm »
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Dome #9354 (ex-SF#504 "PLAZA TAOS").........
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtDOME/atsf504.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #128 on: May 10th, 2012, 6:24pm »
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on May 10th, 2012, 3:34pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Chicago, 1973 (OK, so this is not an SF car!)<G>
 
Dome #9801 (ex-BN, ex-CB&Q #321)............
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtDOME/amt9801.jpg

HFM -  
 
Can't help but add: A perfectly classic BURLINGTON Budd Dome, too! I'd have to fact check venerable Official Register works.  
This intuited belief C B & Q may have had more of the type in support of its ZEPHYR schedules, than comparable on A T S F...
 
BTW. In earlier comment. It of no concern what actual Union Station "Track" location when you boarded. Neither here nor there?  
Rather, the issue of which of the earlier carriers lines traveled in your journey. We've established, then, schedule on former PENN...
 
......................Vern..................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #129 on: May 10th, 2012, 6:56pm »
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Vern/All:
 
Ex-SF (#1627*) sleeper "PINE FERN" at Boston, 1993......
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtSLEEP/amt2989.jpg
 
*All cars in series were built as 10/6............


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #130 on: May 10th, 2012, 7:05pm »
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Ex-SF sleeper, "PINE CREST"; AMTRAK had 24 ex-SF "PINE"-series cars............
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtSLEEP/amt2715.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #131 on: May 10th, 2012, 7:14pm »
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Interior schematics for sleepers #'s (2457-60 "PINE"-series)
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtSLEEP/pine2.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #132 on: May 10th, 2012, 7:27pm »
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EX-SF coach (#2817) at Denver, 1977............
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtCoach/amt4811.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #133 on: May 10th, 2012, 7:34pm »
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A fanciful model of an SF dome.......<G>
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwreinsch/2331454495/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #134 on: May 10th, 2012, 7:47pm »
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Not to stray too far off from the original subject of this interesting topic, but, as we've briefly been discussing SF domes, here is a good photo page of interest (BIG domes!)........
 
http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/ATSFf/


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Re: Bed 'n Breakfast AT&SF-style
 
« Reply #135 on: May 10th, 2012, 8:10pm »
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The Big Domes were/are interesting cars. Have never ridden one, but have been told by those who have that the view is not significantly better than a Hi-Level lounge, or one of the Superliner lounges. Have also been told that the ride isn't as good as Hi-Level chair car or diner (which ride very well indeed, and as best memory serves, better than a Superliner). Whether that comment about riding qualities is correct or not - I don't know.  Photographs taken from inside suggest to me that the view isn't as good as a short dome and that the statements about it being similar to a HiLevel or Superliner lounge as far as the view is concered is reasonable.
 
Impressive looking things, for sure, though.
 
The pictures of the ones painted in maroon and gold for NYS&W sure look good. Consider a Milwaukee Road Skytop rebuilt to a short dome (Budd type curved glass not the awkward looking flat glass  the P-S domes had - probably the one thing "wrong" with th Santa Fe "Pleasure Domes" for the Super) and painted in the syle of the NYS&W. Be pretty do you think?


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« Reply #136 on: May 10th, 2012, 11:48pm »
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I actually got to ride in Santa Fe's "Big Domes" a number of times in the mid- '60s.  I was in high school at the time, and my parents allowed me, on several occasions, to save up my money and treat myself to a "day trip" on the Chief, round-trip from Los Angeles to Barstow.
 
There was a tansit bus route that passed a half mile or so from my home, and after an hour's ride, dropped me off at the "side entrance" to Los Angeles Union Station.  I'd always get down there an hour or two before train time, just to soak up the atmosphere of the place.  Bought my ticket (and reserved seat) at the ticket window, and was always first in line when they opened the train gates, twenty minutes before departure.  Down through the tunnel and up the ramp to the platforms, to see that massive (and seemingly endless) wall of fluted stainless steel welcoming me, and inviting me to ride.  I was in heaven.
 
I stashed my stuff above my coach seat, then went straight to the Big Dome, getting a front-row seat while most everyone else was still on the platform, and still fifteen minutes before departure.  It was a seat I seldom left if I could help it.  Through Pasadena, then my hometown of Monrovia before stopping at Pomona and San Bernardino; then, the climb over Cajon Pass and rocketing across the Mojave Desert to Barstow.  I had about five hours to watch the activity around the Barstow depot (including dinner in the Harvey House's Cafeteria, along with the passengers of the eastbound Grand Canyon, which made an honest-to-goodness Meal Stop there),  before heading back home in the evening aboard the westbound Chief.  My Dad was there waiting to pick me up in Pasadena for the car ride home.
 
It was something I did as often as they'd let me, and it was a thrill every time.
 
The view out the front of the "Big Dome" was nearly equal to that of a Short Dome, but only if you were seated in the first two or three rows.  Further back, and Clyde is absolutely right-- but at least you had some forward visibility from farther back, if you squinted real hard.  Certainly better than in the Milwaukee's "Super Domes" (which I've also ridden a time or two).  On SP's homebuilt full domes, the forward windows were essentially for decoration-- for the passengers, forward visibility was essentially zero.
 
I remember the ride quality of the "Big Domes" as being excellent (of course, at that age my eyes were so full of stars that I would have pronounced anything with flanged wheels "excellent.")  But those beefy six-wheel trucks seemed to do the trick.  The ride just "felt" substantial  (kind of like a Town Car, compared to a Smart Car).
 
 
Anyway, just my two cents' . . .
 
Norm
 
 
P.S.  Over on the "Regional Area Operations" Board, under "California," there should be a thread titled "Cajon Pass,"  that begins with a narrative of what it was like to ride over the Pass aboard the Chief.  In composing that narrative, I used only an Employee Timetable for reference, and my personal memories from my own rides on Train 20.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #137 on: May 11th, 2012, 12:19am »
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"WALLS OF SILVER" (La Junta. CO, 1966)
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/atsf/atsf-paxtrn-cwg.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #138 on: May 11th, 2012, 12:23am »
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Grand Canyon, 1965............
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/atsf/atsf-paxtrn-alr.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #139 on: May 11th, 2012, 12:30am »
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Undated view of a "BIG DOME" lounge (at Chicago?)
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/atsf/atsf-co0553jpa.jpg


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