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jmlaboda
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« Reply #640 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 4:57pm »
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"most certainly still being able to prove their legendary reliabilty, unlike thier "mod" succesors...... "
 
Indeed, and some still do.
 
A number of RDCs were rebuilt over the years and some survive, albeit with their drive shafts removed and only one motor usually running for HEP.  VIA Rail Canada has had a contract out with Industrial Railway Supply to rebuild some of their cars for continued service but since IRSI has not been able to do the work the contract has been cancelled and many of their workers have been laid-off.  Hopefully the program will yet be able to be finished, providing for some of these old veterans to soldier on!!!


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« Reply #641 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:10pm »
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on Apr 28th, 2012, 2:18pm, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Gentlemen...here's a photo, identified by former CNJ publicity director Nate James, as being the doodle bug demo on the CNJ...he was uncertain of the location though....Tom

 
According to "Iron Mine Railroads of Northern New Jersey" by Larry Lowenthal , the photo was taken at the end of the Lake Hopatcong line (Ogden mine RR) at Nolan's Point NJ.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #642 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:13pm »
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Jerry.....
 
Hear! Hear!
 
That some of the old RDC's are STILL going strong, unlike thier cranky descendants, speaks many volumes, indeed!
 
The SPV was basically nothing more than a diesel-powered METROLINER/AMFLEET  coach.
 
Despite all the hype, these cars were junk from Day One, a total waste of money and effort.
 
Certainly, it would have made a good deal more sense simply to rebuild/overhaul the RDC's that were still around at that time.
 
"When someone gives you LEMONS, you make LEMONADE"........yeah, right!
 
Moral?
 
Leave well enough alone, folks!
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #643 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:16pm »
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Those SPV's did look nice, but very unrealiable for sure. The last two I  saw were sitting out of service on a weedy piece of the old Putnum Div in Brewster NY.  
 
Looking good on the ex NYC main


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #644 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:19pm »
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Amtrak SPV photos.
 
Cars were built in 1980; six short years later, AMTRAK retired all units.
 
Yes, we all knew that the RDC was a TOUGH act to follow, but, seriously, folks........<G>
 
http://hebners.net/amtrak/amtSPV.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #645 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:34pm »
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Afterlife......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/Locopicture.aspx?id=121347


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« Reply #646 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 5:36pm »
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on Apr 29th, 2012, 5:19pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Amtrak SPV photos.
 
Cars were built in 1980; six short years later, AMTRAK retired all units.
 
Yes, we all knew that the RDC was a TOUGH act to follow, but, seriously, folks........<G>
 
http://hebners.net/amtrak/amtSPV.htm

HFM -  
 
Probably just as well the Stars and Planets were in bad alignment. Here we had "latest, greatest, new and improved" design.  
Where's the crew protection? General Atterbury would not have approved...
 
Then, see the "promo" folder (just above here nearby). States a "stock" unit designed for 80 mph top end (approximates RDC).  
Then the note to effect, were one to "hot rod" the cars with "turbo" motors, top end of 120 mph anticipated. Oh, sure! Over lines  
of railroad where there are no guarantees, even if all the grade crossings are supposed to be closed. (All crews: Carry your St.  
Christopher Medals!)
 
BTW. Kinda' related. TRAINS for June 2012 is here. See Page 21 for a great candidate for any "ugly duckling" design contests...
 
...........................Vern..................


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« Reply #647 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 6:03pm »
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Vern.......
 
So what if these rolling lemons were hyped as being capable of high speeds, and take off like the proverbial "bat out of hell"?
 
Consider the sorry state of many tracks at that time......certainly could make for most ADVENTEROUS riding, indeed!<G>
 
A co-worker of mine (Gen. Robert E. Lee clone!), years back, used these cars as part of his commute (Metro-North)
 
He well recalls the midday shuttle he would have to take  to reach home, if we let out early, and no direct service to his home station was available.
 
I can still remember how he complained about these cars, how they were always conking out, missed connections, etc.
 
It wasn't very pretty, from what I heard.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #648 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 6:08pm »
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From Tom Nelligan's "COMMUTER TRAINS TO GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL" (1984):
 
"......the SPV's have suffered recurring mechanical problems, particularly in cold weather, and in 1984 the State and the Budd Company were still trying to get them to run reliably......."
 
Hmmmm......and the cars were only FOUR years old at the time.......sure makes ya think.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #649 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 7:17pm »
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Two 1978 views of SPV demo #2000; note the fanciful "Durante" version, photographed at Philadelphia......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/spv2000a.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_spv2000.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #650 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 7:22pm »
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Metro-North SPV #296 in third rail commuter territory (note MU's in background)......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/mncr/mnc-rdc296o.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #651 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 7:29pm »
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SPV's operating on Metro-North's Harlem Line (note AMTRAK paint on trailing car).....
 
http://www.ttmg.org/pages/budd/nymta-buddd.html


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« Reply #652 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 7:38pm »
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If it had been left to Budd to do it all, the SPV would have been a good product, without much market I suspect. The Amfleet cars are - Budd products, so good shells, like anything else from Red Lion. But not near as good (because of the specs for size and configuration) as prior Budd lightweights (the people working the Amtrak 40th Anniversary train had comparisons of Amfleet and the Budd cars obtained from predecessor roads. Not favorable to Amfleet).
 
TRE started with a bunch of rebuilt RDCs and still run them when extra space is needed. Pretty completely rebuilt mechanically, with  Cumminns 855s instead of the Detroit Diesel 110s and new and modern HVAC. Good cars.  
 
I would say that anybody re-working RDCs ought to look to the Roger Williams set and have at least one end set up with raised capb and some crush space.


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« Reply #653 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:01pm »
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"(note AMTRAK paint on trailing car)"
 
Likely a Connecticut car.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #654 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:22pm »
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Clyde:
 
A few views of the "ROGER WILLIAMS", wearing NH, PC, and AMTK colors.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nh140.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_pc140a.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_amtk27.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #655 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:34pm »
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An obscure BUDD "test car", this gas-turbine-electric was tested on the LIRR, during the late 60's.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42662
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?10670


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #656 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:38pm »
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See also......
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/LIRRturbine.jpeg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #657 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:47pm »
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LIRR gas-turbine-electric, utilizing M-1 style MU body shell.......
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garrettad.jpg
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/lirrturboroslyn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #658 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 9:03pm »
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Another photo.....
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1067757


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #659 on: Apr 29th, 2012, 9:18pm »
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Series of photos from 1976 of first run of LIRR gas-turbine-electric train; at a quick glance, the train appears to be a typical, workaday MU consist.
 
While in third-rail territory, these cars operated as conventional MU's.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132478
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132483
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132485
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132481
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132482
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132480


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